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Survivor: Amazon Episode 2 Spoilers
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Posted by: Turtleboy

Just wanted to start a new topic for episode 2.

The women are just falling apart it seems.

I also think that the producers may have planted the granola bar there to see what would happen. They should have eaten it and split it, and not thrown it in the fire. :rolleyes:

Posted by: justapixel

I don't know which thread to respond to.

I'll pick the empty one.

(I still don't know their names so I'll use their obvious traits/descriptions to refer to them)

I agree about the granola bar thing, I doubt anybody could have smuggled it in there. And, judging by the fake reactions of the women and the general lack of interest in the situation, I'm guessing they figured it was a trick too. I loved how they threw it in the fire though, instead of taking the bait and eating it.

I picked Ms. Homemaker to get voted off tonight, so I would have won if I could have gotten any of the picks sites to work for me. ;) If it had been the men who lost, I'd have picked Daniel to go. That whole gay vs. not gay thing was also contrived, and looking in the background scenes, Daniel seems very dour and isn't communicating with anybody.

The deaf girl presents an interesting problem. I would have instantly taken her under my wing, counting on her as an alliance, and counting on everybody else's' reluctance to vote a handicapped member off. She opened herself up to her hurt tonight, but in a woman's camp, that will work in your favor. We tend to empathize with those situations, and I'm not surprised that she only got one vote. Probably a few changed their minds at the last moment.

My prediction is they gather around her more and try and help. I could be way off though, if her personality is truly disagreeable. I think she was just upset and if somebody convinces the others to enable her to understand what's going on, all will be well.

I think the black woman will go next, if the deaf girl doesn't. While she's strong, her reluctance to think the immunity idol is a good thing, and her mean spirit is going to get her kicked quick.

I'm finding this man vs. woman thing much more interesting than I thought it'd be. I did think that to keep the women competitive, they'd have to have less physical challenges, which came true for the most part. I totally understand how the women have not coalesced as a team yet - it does take us a while (for the most part) to get into that mode. But, while a woman's way of working things out is not the same as the male way, it's just as valid, and I'm glad this game is showing that.

Posted by: bobjohnson

I think the whole immunity idol thing was the stupidest thing ever. I honestly hope the godmonger gets the boot next week.

Posted by: Turtleboy

I was really surprised to her reaction to the idol.

When watching it last week, I noticed that she an extreme distaste for it. But I thought it was because it looks like a lawn jockey, and she was thinking it was racist.

But to knowingly play the game Survivor, and to be upset because there is any idol at all, that's just stupid. Besides, she's a nasty person, and will be going soon.

Posted by: NatasNJ

What I always find so annoying is that certain people have this HIGH regard for their own religion/beliefs like the black lady. The are willing to bitch about a wooden sculpture in their camp. Blame RAIN on it. (of course being in the middle of the AMAZON doesn't have anything to do with rain?)
And yet the seem to skip over the other aspects of the religion/belief where you are suppost to be kind to one another and treat others how you want to be treated. Amazes me how selfish and how hypocritical some of these fools are. I hate em. I would have confronted her to her face and laughed at her. Saying you are a joke. Cause she is. No one is asking/forcing her to pay amage to this idol/immunity idol. It is a game piece and nothing more. Just talking about this is making me nutz..

Posted by: Turtleboy

She was a bully. She saw that she could get in the face of the deaf girl and bully her. Gee, stick your hand in the face of a lip reader, that's really nice of you.

She has to go.

Posted by: jradosh

Only one comment...

Great promo for next week's episode. :D

Posted by: Skittles

Two episodes into it, and already there are two people that just need to go (Roger and Joanna).

In some ways, I pity Joanna. She's going to end up being labelled as a religious zealot and anti-deaf. Pretty much her own fault, though...

Posted by: TiVolcano

quote:
Originally posted by Turtleboy
She was a bully. She saw that she could get in the face of the deaf girl and bully her. Gee, stick your hand in the face of a lip reader, that's really nice of you.

She has to go.

No kidding. She gives Christians (assuming that is what she professes to be) a bad name. It's a freaking game; you're not bowing down and worshipping the idol. And I was really turned off by her treatment of the deaf girl. It appears they are all really shunning her...although they may be editting it to look that way. I know it would take me a while to remember that I have to face someone every time I talk to them. It must really suck for her at night time...and when people talk with their mouths full.

Posted by: pmyers

I thought the hand in the face was the ultimate disrepect.

I do have serious concerns about the women's longevity in this game. They might be able to survive for a few days without a proper camp or shelter, but in the long run they cannot. Being rained on day after day as well as the health problems that would cause will eventually get the best of them.

Posted by: Turtleboy

Don't feed the troll. He's attacking the entire board with porn spam messages.

Posted by: TiVolcano

quote:
Originally posted by Turtleboy
Don't feed the troll. He's attacking the entire board with porn spam messages.

Yes, I know, but I couldn't resist. Kinda funny though seeing as how they did show the chicks bathing in the previews.

Posted by: Chris Roberts

They seem to always get at least one bible-thumper on every show. Only whereas the previous ones prayed and such to show it (or brought bibles with them), this one is trying to set her religious standards on everyone else. She did say that she didn't even want the idol in the camp. I'm not too up to date on the ten commandments, but I'm surprised there is nothing against greed/fame-hunting/vanity or whatever the reason she even went onto the show in the first place. Plus, she was very rude to the deaf girl and that alone means she needs to go sooner rather than later. No need to have someone around like that.

The deaf girl is probably the best ally someone could have made. If any of those women attempted to be her friend in the first couple days then she'd have allied with that person through the whole game. Plus, I wonder how far she can read lips in daylight. She may be able to see what people are plotting on the other side of the camp.

The whole pro-gay vs. anti-gay debate was just stupid. Surely that guy Roger has actually watched Survivor before and knows they allow gays. And he must know that not everyone shares his opinion (or possibly not). But why would someone even bring up the subject. Unless someone came out on the show its bad to get brought into any topic that could cause a rift between you and other players.

Not sure what to think about the granola bar. I don't think it was planted there, but was wondering if it maybe fell out of the first-aid kit or something. LOL Or someone could have brought it to frame someone else with like when Jeri lied about that guy having beef jerky and got him voted off. I hope we find out after the show is over the truth about it.

The women's team seriously needs to get its act together. If they had to survive for real they would die. I suspect they'll end up getting special treatment to save their lives at some point, which is too bad because I'm honestly hoping they do better than the men in the long run since the men are all pompous jerks.

Posted by: walters

quote:
Originally posted by Turtleboy
When watching it last week, I noticed that she an extreme distaste for it. But I thought it was because it looks like a lawn jockey, and she was thinking it was racist.

I had exactly the same thought last week.

Posted by: TheDewAddict

I don't think the religious black woman is Christian. When she was naming who she worshiped, she didn't name Jesus (as best I could hear). I don't remember who all she named, but they sounded like kash-abar and al-kwhir or something.

MTV did a special a few weeks ago about the new survivor, and the differences between men and women. Women always won the endurance challenges and the challenges were one member of the trible has to command the rest of the tribe (such as this episode's reward challenge). Men won brute strength, and puzzle challenges. When I saw the reward challenge, I right away knew the men had no shot at winning. I wasnt sure about the immunity challenge, because women are more observant, but the questions were almost all about numbers, and men are more linear, and more inclined to count things, so that favored them.

I realize with tribes divided by gender, people will always find advantages in the challenges, because in most cases each gender does things differently. Some challenges will favor the women, some the men. If the producers can mix elements that favor both into each challenge, we'll have a fair game. If they flip flop back and forth, we won't.

Posted by: MalachiNY

I feel as though I have to <once again> defend Christianity from the likes of JoAnna. I have ran into her type all my life and they give "Christians" a bad name and ultimately turn people away from what we believe in. Which is sad because thats is the exact opposite of what we should be doing. I knew from last episode that she didnt like it because of that reason ... but to blame the rain on God not liking the idol ... "Come On!!!" As someone said before ... she wasnt required or were the others required to "worship" it ... & that is what "Thall Shalt Not Have Any Idols Before Me" means. Then the next day "justifying" her bad-bad-bad reaction to that girl by saying something like "its because of you that I'm reacting with the hand in the face" really is in poor taste. Girl needs to get her priorities in order.

Off soap box now!

Now... the "deaf" girl! <i dont like saying that .. whats her name?>

I feel realy bad for her ... and I agree with Pixel that she was on the verge of a breakdown for some time now. BUT the way she handled the "help me w/ the shelter" & "no, i dont wanna help ... i wanna fish" tantrum; although inderstandable; was not a good reaction. I just thought she would have been in situations like this before <being ignored> & would of handled it a lil' better. ALTHOUGH it <the befores> have never been in the Amazon & on TV.

As far as the lil *tif* in the guys camp ... regardless of whos side you take ... they both were NOT discussing like mature adults they were arguing like immature politicians ... so in my opinion they're both a$$es!

Love this new Survivor ... the last couple have been a lil under-par ... the ratings are looking good too.

Posted by: TheDewAddict

I loved Christy's quote in the interview after her tift with the religious black woman: "For somebody who is supposed to be a vessel of God, you'd think she could be nice."

Posted by: vman

I'm also really surprised Jeff didn't mention the granola bar during tribal council. He obviosuly knows everything that goes on in the camps, and to ignore this (whether or not it was a plant) is odd.

On the Joanna/Christy issue, all I could think last night during their argument (besides Joanna was a jerk) is what an INCREDIBLE lip reader Christy must be!

I'm also surprised the men did so much better at the memory challenge than the women. Several of the guys don't seem all that bright. Maybe the men are more rested given their better shelter.

Posted by: pmyers

I did hear her say all those different names for who she worshiped...but she also did mention the Old Testament and I'm pretty sure somebody said something about her being Christian on the show (perhaps the deaf girl).

mark my words.....Christy will make it very far in this game.

Posted by: grecorj

quote:
Originally posted by justapixel
The deaf girl presents an interesting problem. I would have instantly taken her under my wing, counting on her as an alliance, and counting on everybody else's' reluctance to vote a handicapped member off. She opened herself up to her hurt tonight, but in a woman's camp, that will work in your favor. We tend to empathize with those situations, and I'm not surprised that she only got one vote. Probably a few changed their minds at the last moment.

My prediction is they gather around her more and try and help. I could be way off though, if her personality is truly disagreeable. I think she was just upset and if somebody convinces the others to enable her to understand what's going on, all will be well.

I think the black woman will go next, if the deaf girl doesn't. While she's strong, her reluctance to think the immunity idol is a good thing, and her mean spirit is going to get her kicked quick.

After she spoke up at tribal council and then only receiving 1 vote (gee, I wonder who from?), I had the same thoughts as you. Either Krystie (sp?) or Joanna gets the boot next time at tribal council.

quote:
I'm finding this man vs. woman thing much more interesting than I thought it'd be. I did think that to keep the women competitive, they'd have to have less physical challenges, which came true for the most part. I totally understand how the women have not coalesced as a team yet - it does take us a while (for the most part) to get into that mode. But, while a woman's way of working things out is not the same as the male way, it's just as valid, and I'm glad this game is showing that.

While the women's team lacks focus and leadership, I agree that they will probably become a stronger team as time goes on.

The men on the other hand, are just embarassing to me as a man. Especially that Rob guy. I hate that guy. The reaction of the men's team when they won immunity last night was so over the top I almost puked. I was thinking: give me a break, you lost 2 challenges in a row, finally win one (that doesn't even involve the physicality of the other challenges), and all of the sudden you have a Super Bowl celebration over one win.

Posted by: walters

quote:
Originally posted by TheDewAddict
I don't think the religious black woman is Christian.

She's a born-again Christian according to the Survivor website.

Posted by: grecorj

quote:
Originally posted by MalachiNY
BUT the way she handled the "help me w/ the shelter" & "no, i dont wanna help ... i wanna fish" tantrum; although inderstandable; was not a good reaction.

Well, the shelter/fish thing looked heavily edited to me (as is most of the show, of course). It seemed like she was working on the shelter, tried to get everyone involved, and no one responded. So she basically said "to hell with it, I'm going fishing"; then all of a sudden that one lady throws the palms at her feet like, "here, see, I'm helping, too!". Well, too little too late.

Posted by: Turtleboy

The deaf girl's name is Christie.

Someone on TWOP was speculating that Joanna purposely mispelled it as Kyrstie (or something like that) because she didn't want to spell out the word "Christ."

But then again, as we've seen from past seasons (and from posting on internet forums), people are notriously baad spelers. ;)

Posted by: pmyers

quote:
Originally posted by Turtleboy
The deaf girl's name is Christie.

Someone on TWOP was speculating that Joanna purposely mispelled it as Kyrstie (or something like that) because she didn't want to spell out the word "Christ."

But then again, as we've seen from past seasons (and from posting on internet forums), people are notriously baad spelers. ;)

I was thinking she mispelled it as a sign of disrespect..I mean, could she have spelled it anymore wrong? It just seemed like it was on purpose to me.

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by TheDewAddict
"For somebody who is supposed to be a vessel of God, you'd think she could be nice."

That was a great line. But it made me sad because she was right on the money.

Posted by: Philosofy

I noticed that there seems to be no alliances at all in the women's camp. And how stupid can Joanna be by talking to a deaf girl with her hand in her face. She seemed good to me last week, but I take that back.

Posted by: Turtleboy

I've also noticed over the years that they like to pick people who will fall into a certain "stereotype."

They like their Southerners to be hicks, their gays to be flamboyant, their blacks to be either Bible thumping, or in your face, or both, the most beautiful (both men and women) to be the most dim, etc.

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by Turtleboy
I've also noticed over the years that they like to pick people who will fall into a certain "stereotype."

Homer: "I like my beer cold�my TV loud�and my homosexuals flaming."

Posted by: jradosh

quote:
Originally posted by Turtleboy
They like their Southerners to be hicks, their gays to be flamboyant, their blacks to be either Bible thumping, or in your face, or both, the most beautiful (both men and women) to be the most dim, etc.

Well, I don't remember each and every contestant, especially those that were voted off early, but I think that I disagree with your assessment. Some of the good lookers (Neleh, Ethan, Elizabeth) were no dimmer than the rest. Some of the blacks (Ted, that guy in African Survivor) were not particularly "in your face" or Bible thumping. And there were southerners that weren't hicks either, but I don't remember their names. And was Richard Hatch particularly "flaming" ? Or any of the other gay contestants besides that guy in African Survivor?

I think you're just remembering the stereotypes and disregarding the rest. YMMV. :)

J

Posted by: betamax

quote:
Originally posted by Turtleboy
The deaf girl's name is Christie.

Someone on TWOP was speculating that Joanna purposely mispelled it as Kyrstie (or something like that) because she didn't want to spell out the word "Christ."

But then again, as we've seen from past seasons (and from posting on internet forums), people are notriously baad spelers. ;)

Yeah, the bad speelers are everywhere. Her name is spelled Christy.

Put yourself into their situation. You don't have nametags, she says, "Hi my name is Christy." Do you ask, "Hi Crhisty, how do you spell your name?"

I can understand them not knowing how to spell eachothers name. They don't see it written down! But on the otherhand, your explanation does make some sense.

Posted by: DLiquid

quote:
Originally posted by betamax
Do you ask, "Hi Crhisty, how do you spell your name?"

Or better yet, ask that question on the way to tribal council. :D

The names Christy, Jeanne, and Jenna were all misspelled last night. What's up with those J names anyway? Janet, Jeanne, Jenna, and Joanna. Talk about confusing. And their tribe is named Jaburu!

I think whoever came up with the theory that Joanna didn't want to spell out the word "Christ" was right on the money. LOL! She is way over the top.

So far this season seems good. The conditions they are living in seem much harsher than any past survivor. I'm sure in the coming weeks people will start to crumble under the strain that the environment is going to wreak on their minds and bodies. What fun! :D

Posted by: David Platt

quote:
Originally posted by betamax
Yeah, the bad speelers are everywhere.

I certainly hope that was intentional! :p

Posted by: Chris Roberts

I'm really looking forward to seeing some of the macho guys personalities after 2-3 weeks. I'm thinking some of them will change drastically.

I like Christy, in fact she's probably my favorite ever female Survivor, but I don't think she'll last very long. She needs to make it more of a point to ask people what they are talking about and stuff (like when she asked whats her face what the tribe talked about at night). She's not mute and can ask questions like "Whats are you guys talking about?" more often.

Posted by: TheDewAddict

I'm suprised nobody has tried to "control" Christy. She is basically in-communicado once the sun goes down, and needs somebody to fill her in the next day about what was discussed. Any woman in that tribe could start lying to her about what was said, to make the other people in the tribe look bad, and themselves as the good person, making it easier to convince Christy to vote somebody off.

Posted by: TreborPugly

quote:
Originally posted by TheDewAddict
I don't think the religious black woman is Christian. When she was naming who she worshiped, she didn't name Jesus (as best I could hear). I don't remember who all she named, but they sounded like kash-abar and al-kwhir or something.

My wife's opinion is that she was using a Jamaican or some other Caribbean Island term for God. Just another flavor of Christianity.

Treb.

Posted by: TreborPugly

quote:
Originally posted by TheDewAddict
I'm suprised nobody has tried to "control" Christy. She is basically in-communicado once the sun goes down, and needs somebody to fill her in the next day about what was discussed. Any woman in that tribe could start lying to her about what was said, to make the other people in the tribe look bad, and themselves as the good person, making it easier to convince Christy to vote somebody off.

Well, that is how Christy got into the argument with Joanna in the first place. Someone else was telling her about Joanna's Idol complaint and she said "that's stupid!"

Another thing about being deaf is that she'll have a hard time having quiet conversations with people. People tend to speak very loudly when they are trying to speak clearly (for easier lip reading), and when you can't hear yourself it is hard to control your volume. Deaf people learn by sight and feel how to make the correct sounds to speak, but it is usually distorted and loud.

I am amazed that none of her tribe mates put forth the effort to communicate with her. But she got a bit too upset about the shelter thing for her own good. She was completely right. Without shelter, they are dead. But this is also a game about people and relationships, and you don't go far by telling everyone they are lazy. (even when it is true! - the laziest people are always the ones to get the most upset)

I'm surprised how so many of them defended the need for food and water over shelter. We can do without food for several days, and the water is just a matter of fetching and boiling it. That is a 1 person job. Without shelter, they will repeatedly get wet and cold, they can't sleep well, don't have a place to store food without it getting drenched, all kinds of things. The men had a nice usable sleep shelter in 1 day. It's been six days now and the women only have a crappy pile of sticks!

Maybe they should have a reward challenge where they build something, to give the men a chance to show off. Even though the women will probably lose, they'd also probably learn alot.

The other thing I could see would be a reward challenge where the prize was a tent. They frequently have rewards that try to address a current lack.

Treb.

Posted by: atreyu

quote:
Originally posted by TreborPugly
My wife's opinion is that she was using a Jamaican or some other Caribbean Island term for God. Just another flavor of Christianity.

I believe the term Joanna used was one of the Hebrew names for God... many of which start with "El" (like "El Shaddai"). I spent 6 years in a predominantly-black, charismatic Christian church, and such terms were often used there.

Not sure which name it was, but I did a google search for "names for god el" and found these sites (among others):

http://www.therain.org/studies/mhg.html
http://names-of-god.com/

My guess it was either "Elyown El" ("most high God") or "El Olam" ("God of eternity"). Anyone keep their recording who cares to confirm that? We deleted ours after watching it.

<sighs> Sure would be nice to get a Christian on Survivor who doesn't perpetuate the worst stereotypes of Christians!

- Atreyu

Posted by: DLiquid

I was thinking the women should have just thrown the immunity challenge and instead spent that time studying the construction of the hut the challenge took place in. Every day that goes by without shelter is just going to wear them out more and more.

Posted by: WinBear

I knew Joanna was rattling off names for the Christian God, she went through a number of the "El" names as well as the "Jehovah" names since I noticed "Jehovah-Jireh."

Posted by: Philosofy

I thought she was speaking in tongues. :D

Posted by: KRS

Don't these idiots watch previous seasons of Survivor to prepare? Don't they study essential skills like starting a fire and building shelter?

I can see making some social mistakes due to being cold and hungry, but still, don't the contestants understand that it is the obnoxious loudmouths who become targets (especially early on).

At least on the male tribe, Rob, the magic 8 Ball guy (who looks like Mike D.) is sitting back and watching the other guys get into pointless arguments and dangerous bossy leader roles. I am picking him as a contender on the male team. He seems pretty smart (despite his macho comments) and has a good understanding of how to play the game.

What about the luxury items this season. None are as ridiculous as RobB's skateboard, but:

CHRISTy - sage
Janet - granola bar...err...teddy bear
Deena - water balloons (???)
Jeanne - massage oil (and she is married!)

Posted by: DLiquid

quote:
Originally posted by KRS
Deena - water balloons (???)

I thought that was Heidi. Oh yeah, her's are built-in, she didn't need to designate them as luxury items. :eek: :cool:

Posted by: Vyle

Joanna must go!!! Confronting Christy like that was not Christ-like, and I was beyond ashamed.

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
I thought the hand in the face was the ultimate disrepect.

Yup. And on top of that, she's too dumb to realize that blocking her lips makes her silent to a deaf person...

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by TreborPugly
Well, that is how Christy got into the argument with Joanna in the first place. Someone else was telling her about Joanna's Idol complaint and she said "that's stupid!"

Another thing about being deaf is that she'll have a hard time having quiet conversations with people. People tend to speak very loudly when they are trying to speak clearly (for easier lip reading), and when you can't hear yourself it is hard to control your volume. Deaf people learn by sight and feel how to make the correct sounds to speak, but it is usually distorted and loud.

One of the reasons I wonder about the charade of not telling the men she's deaf. Every time she speaks, I hear "deaf" (having worked with them I may be attuned but I doubt it)...

Posted by: mrboo

quote:
Originally posted by KRS
Don't these idiots watch previous seasons of Survivor to prepare? Don't they study essential skills like starting a fire and building shelter?

They do. They also receive basic survivor training from the production before filming begins. That doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be able to apply that knowledge perfectly. There are all kinds of issues to contend with: your teammates, finding resources, the weather, your strength, and whether you're any good at using your hands (or taking orders).

Poor Christy. I think she seems like a sweet person. She does need to get over feeling sorry for herself and assert her will a little more. As far as the confrontation with the Jesus freak: she should have defended her opinion. But me thinks a lot of people are afraid of confrontation in a situation like this because they feel they've been caught talking behind someone's back and that that somehow invalidates the opinion. Also I believe a lot of white folks are just plain intimidated by a person of color getting in their face. I want to know why the 3rd woman at that scene didn't defend Christy--thank's a lot.

The Jesus freak lady is so obnoxious. I'm surprised that more members of her team haven't asked her to tone down the proselytizing and rhetoric (the singing is OK--it makes meals feel more like a gospel brunch). My opinion is that the more rigid these type of people are about their faith (and their superstitions) the more weak minded and ignorant they are.

I think the women's team is going to implode. They just don't seem to have the skills to properly survive or have their leadership in place.

And what's up with all of the puzzle and trivia challenges? This is where the man vs. woman thing is going to get old.

Posted by: IJustLikeTivo

quote:
Originally posted by walters
She's a born-again Christian according to the Survivor website.

I think she needs to born again, again. What a loser!

I despise people who are so intolerant and in this case mean-spirited. To put your hand in someones face when they only way they have to see what you are saying is by lip reading is just plain mean. She needs to go and go soon. Much worse than any of the religious people so far. Utterly repugnant.

Yikes.

IJLT

Posted by: laria

quote:
Originally posted by betamax
Put yourself into their situation. You don't have nametags, she says, "Hi my name is Christy." Do you ask, "Hi Crhisty, how do you spell your name?"

No but I would probably spell it with the most common spelling, which would probably be "Christy". :)

Posted by: Vox Acerbus

the religious black woman is christian, as has been pointed out. she named god, yaweh, el shaddai and a few others which are all christian names for god. she's just an over the top christian loony who gives the religion a bad name. she's an awful woman. hope she goes next.

Posted by: Vox Acerbus

quote:
Originally posted by jhausmann
One of the reasons I wonder about the charade of not telling the men she's deaf. Every time she speaks, I hear "deaf" (having worked with them I may be attuned but I doubt it)...

you aren't on an island though, among men and in a self-centered rah rah rah testosterone haze. i was watching last night and those men alternate between being so totally concerned with themselves, and so totally concerned over the hot women's breasts, and so totally concerned with winning, that i don't think they even know what christy looks like much less that she's deaf. if they had noticed it, they would be bitching that they lost to a "bunch of girls" and a deaf one too!

Posted by: Blahblah2000

quote:
Originally posted by atreyu
I believe the term Joanna used was one of the Hebrew names for God...

- Atreyu

Elohim is a common word used to refer to God in the Old Testament.

Posted by: sieglinde

Joanna used El Shaddai (who knows how it is spelled) some Christians use Hebrew terms because they think they are the direct inhereters of the Jews rather than the Jews of today.

Interesting thing about Christians on Survivor. The black woman who won one of the survivors was all in all a pretty nice woman and was an open Christian. The young man in one of the survivors who didn't last very long was mainly a whiner but he was still OK. But in the last Survivor or the one before that, there was a young man who claimed to be Christian and he was the world's worst jerk.

I have come to the conclusion that what makes people nice or jerks is their upbringing etc. not their religion so if they are nice the religious ethics will make them even nicer and if they are jerks, they will be fanatics and even more jerky than normal. Joanna qualifies as the latter.

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by Vox
you aren't on an island though, among men and in a self-centered rah rah rah testosterone haze. i was watching last night and those men alternate between being so totally concerned with themselves, and so totally concerned over the hot women's breasts, and so totally concerned with winning, that i don't think they even know what christy looks like much less that she's deaf. if they had noticed it, they would be bitching that they lost to a "bunch of girls" and a deaf one too!

I wouldn't be too sure. As well as they observed things in the last IC, more than one's got to have noticed something's just not right...

Posted by: DanT

We haven't even seen Christy speaking at any of the challenges. She sat out the challenge that required speaking by one and listening by the others (blindfolded members collect pieces of puzzle) and then in the last immunity challenge with the questions, she just wrote her answer down. No speaking whatsoever. My guess is the guys have no idea she's deaf, and just assume she's shy.

And as for Christy being a phenomenal lip-reader, don't forget she DOES have a hearing aid in one ear. So she can hear a little bit, just not much.

Posted by: jhausmann

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Originally posted by DanT
We haven't even seen Christy speaking at any of the challenges. She sat out the challenge that required speaking by one and listening by the others (blindfolded members collect pieces of puzzle) and then in the last immunity challenge with the questions, she just wrote her answer down. No speaking whatsoever. My guess is the guys have no idea she's deaf, and just assume she's shy.

And as for Christy being a phenomenal lip-reader, don't forget she DOES have a hearing aid in one ear. So she can hear a little bit, just not much.

There's a whole lot more of stuff we don't see than what we do.