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American Idol 4/29-4/30 (Spoilers)
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Posted by: TiVoLance

I really like that we have 2 song per contestant now. Clay all the way!:D I thought everyone but Joshua did a good job actually. Here is my picks.

1. Clay
2. Reuben
3. Kimberly
4. Trenyce
5. Joshua

Josh needs to go. Opinions?

Posted by: LoadStar

Oh, yeah. Lance Corporal Constipation so is done after tonight. I think he knows it too, which resulted in an extraordinary amount of "tightness" tonight. It's weird hearing Neil Sedaka even recognize how "tight" Josh looks and sings.

Speaking of Neil - I was surprised to hear Neil actually attempting to give the contestants positive criticism. I agreed with almost everything he said. It was SUCH a difference from last weeks contestant love fest. Can we get him back as a real judge?

Clay's first performance rocked. His second wasn't as outstanding - I liked the lighting (Television Without Pity refered to it as "Son of God lighting") more than I liked the performance. But I give MAJOR props to Simon who finally gave Clay his due for acknowleging that he actually listened to the criticism that the judges gave him and worked on it.

The backup singers are back again... they thought they'd take a solo performance last week on Ruben's and Clay's song, and they liked "Proud Mary" so much they'd be back for an encore! What was UP with that?

Ruben is just so "meh" it's not even funny. His first performance was better than his second, but both sounded no better than a high school choir member doing a solo... it's good, it's just not "American Idol" good for me. I am definitely sure he should NOT be getting the praise he is from the judges. What the heck is with that "Dude, you've already won the contest" from Randy? That was just totally uncalled for - we've got a few weeks to go, Randy...

Posted by: LoadStar

Oh, yeah, Ryan is useless... can we find a different host for next season? His banter with "Miss Personality" was inane to the nth degree - he made no sense at all. (By the way, they need to clue Ryan in, when doing cross-promotion for other FOX shows, you might want to get the name of the show right - it's "Mr. Personality.")

Posted by: BLeonard

I agree that everyone's performance was much better tonight! Partly because they picked good music.

Josh seems like the definite one to leave tommorrow and it seems like he knows it.

I tried several times to vote for Clay but couldn't get through at all. I guess that's a good sign that he is getting a lot of votes.

Posted by: ahartman

Bottom 3:

Trenyce
Josh
Clay

Josh is gone.

Ruben just flat out broke off a big piece. Kimberly was really quite good.

I'm still trying to figure out what everyone sees in Clay. He's clearly a favorite of the producers. The lighting show he got for his 2nd song seemed a little too much help.

Put him on Broadway but keep him off my radio. If I want to hear enunciation that clear, I'll go to a speech class.

Posted by: David Platt

Did anyone catch this sign in the audience:

"I like Keebler. Clay all the way!"

Pretty funny in light of all the 'elf' comments over at Television Without Pity.

And is it just me, or is Josh getting fat?

Posted by: TiVoLance

Getting fat? Hes been fat. Remember when Simon said he could lose some weight several weeks ago :D And no way Clay will be in the bottom 3 (I hope).

Posted by: CrZyMnKy

Tonight was a great night on American Idol I thought. The 60's was a good choice and I thought in general all the contestants did well. They all really seemed like that give it their all and tried to raise their game.
As much as I was once a fan of Josh, unfortunately I think it is his time to go this week. And like some of you said, I think he knows it. He did much better than last week though. He gave it his best though, just not good enough anymore.
Ruben still doesn't do anything for me. I thought he was pitchy in his first song. There are 3 times that it stood out to me. I disagree with Randy in that he has won it already...this is no way!! You can say that he is way better than some of the others.
I thought for the 3rd week in a row Clay really shined. He was amazing tonight especially in his first song. I think that really showed that he can be a pop singer. Just because he may be good at broadway doesn't mean he couldn't be good as a pop singer either. Doesn't always work, but I think if anyone can do it Clay is the one.

Posted by: Todd

I've finally decided....Clay should win this competition!

And Josh should be the next to go...

Posted by: CrZyMnKy

quote:
Originally posted by Todd
I've finally decided....Clay should win this competition!

And Josh should be the next to go...

I agree!!

So who will be the botton 3?

Josh, Trenyce, Kimberly?

Next week should be the most interesting with only one not in the bottom 3.

Posted by: bigcb37

I thought Josh was horrible, he will be gone this week. Ruben had a poor night (I couldnt beleive all the jusges thought he was good) Clay was Clay...I am tired of him...he does have a great voice but get him in a Disney movie...

Kimberly was the best, too bad she wont win b/c she is too big, but I think she is the most talented.

Posted by: laria

I love Ruben, but I think that Clay and Kimberly will be the safe ones this week.

Posted by: TiVoLance

I was really noticing tonight how different the finalists are from last season with the last two girls voted off. We have one morbidly obese guy, one large girl, one large marine, and a scrawny guy who has huge ears. The Pop industry is so focused on image that it's nice to see some "real" looking people that just happen to have the ablility to sing.

Posted by: CrZyMnKy

quote:
Originally posted by TiVoLance
I was really noticing tonight how different the finalists are from last season with the last two girls voted off. We have one morbidly obese guy, one large girl, one large marine, and a scrawny guy who has huge ears. The Pop industry is so focused on image that it's nice to see some "real" looking people that just happen to have the ablility to sing.

I totally agree. I hate how everyone gets stuck on a certain image for something. And I think it will be good not to have your typical pop artist look winning this year on American Idol.

Although, kimberly wouldn't be the first large girl as a pop artist. There is Missy Eliot (rap singer) who is pretty big and can't dance either.

Posted by: TiVoLance

quote:

There is Missy Eliot (rap singer) who is pretty big and can't dance either.

You mean "was" big. She lost all her weight and is now skinny. I heard she eats one cracker a day. ;)

Posted by: Lori

My husband calls Josh "Twangy McTwangtwang".

We agree that he is gone this week.

Safe: Ruben, Kim, Clay

Bottom 2: Trenyce, Josh

Gone: Josh

Boy, next week is going to be tough, though, isn't it? :)

Posted by: CrZyMnKy

quote:
Originally posted by TiVoLance
You mean "was" big. She lost all her weight and is now skinny. I heard she eats one cracker a day. ;)

Wow, really??? I didn't know she lost all that weight. 1 cracker a day??

Posted by: LoadStar

How long are they going to be doing the "bottom three" thing? I'd almost think this week, or possibly next, would be the last week they could do it.

I think Clay's still at the top of the list, and I think Josh will be at the bottom of the list. From there, right now, it gets a little fuzzy. Ruben? Popular with the judges, still fairly popular with some fans, but very *meh* in my opinion, and I think this wasn't his strongest week. Kimberly has been improving - but improving fast enough to get votes? Hard to say. Trenyce is pretty regularly quite good as a singer, just not great at finding a voice of her own.

Ok, now that I've hedged for an entire post - my predictions for bottom three are Josh, Kimberly, and in a surprise, Ruben. (Hey, gotta change up the list somehow.) Josh, to no one's surprise, goes.

Posted by: TeeSee

Clay - I think he is quite gifted. It's just his over-the-top, melodramatic delivery that just rubs me the wrong way. He was great tonight. I hope Simon is right and he goes on to have a great Broadway career. It'll be easier for me to avoid having to listen to him again.

Kimberly - Great job tonight. She's got some pipes and picked good songs, especially the second one.

Trenyce - see Kimberly

Ruben - Many have criticized his consistent use of slow, mellow tunes as his choice of music, labeling him as one dimensional. I thought it was funny how he chose the version of Breaking Up is Hard to Do. For those who don't know, that song was a hit twice for Neil Sedaka. In the early sixties he released an upbeat version that hit number one. And in the mid-seventies, he released a slower ballad version that was also top ten. This is the version Ruben chose. I was shaking my head at that. He was just OK overall.

Josh - I guess I'm the only one who thinks he did well. I liked his song choices and the performances. I just wish he'd lose the Garth Brooks imitation so I can see what he can do without the distraction. He might be in the bottom three, but only because there are only five contestants left, IMHO.

And I agree he's gained a little weight. He's gotten kinda husky. Tonight he kind of reminded me of David Beri... David Bori.. the guy who plays Angel.

Good show tonight. Although, as usual, it did make me a little sad to hear songs by composers who actually knew how to write melodies. :(

Posted by: CrZyMnKy

Though I never liked Ruben nor enjoyed his singing even in the beginning, the impression that I am getting is that he peaked way too early in the show. And seems like everyone else is really raising the bar as for before it seemed like everyone was saying Ruben was raising the bar.

Posted by: bkmunroe

For all of you who miss Carmen she did Letterman's Top Ten list Tuesday. It was something like the top ten reasons you won't win American Idol.

Posted by: pantherman007

Josh is definitely out this week, and he seems to know it. His comment last week about Simon being his "elder" was funny - this week's "marine restraint" comment was just sad.

Trenyce was a pleasant surprise this week. She pulled herself up to Kimberly's level with two good songs, so its harder for me to pick who's going to join Josh in the bottom.

Ruben's never done anything for me. Decent voice, but a complete absence of anything resembling personality. He lost any chance of my vote with his brain-dead conversation (or lack thereof) with Ryan during the special show last Monday. I hope he's in the bottom three. So my predictions are:

Should be in the bottom three:
Josh
Kimberly
Ruben

Will be in the bottom three:
Josh
Kimberly
Trenyce

Gone:
Josh

Posted by: DLiquid

quote:
Originally posted by TiVoLance
I heard she eats one cracker a day. ;)

Haha. :p

From best to worst:

Clay - Clay is just a star, that's all there is to it. His singing style isn't what I'd normally listen to but he's such a great singer that it just doesn't matter. Yes he sounds kinda Broadway, yes he annunciates every word, and yes he looks like a Keebler elf, but that's his style, and he's workin it.

Ruben - Consistently very good, but tonight he was a bit boring I thought. I agree he peaked early.

Kimberly - She really nailed the first song, and the second one too, although she was hitting some irritating frequency in that second song that kind of grated on my ears. She's definitely the most improved on the show.

Trenyce - I think she is the most commercial. She has the right look, the right sound, and she can dance better than the rest of them. I just don't think her voice is as good as the above three.

Josh - How on earth he got this far I have no idea. He's not a horrible singer, at least not on every song, but he's just not good enough to be on this show. He's gone this week.

Posted by: dbuchthal

Clay blew me away again this week. He, Kimberly and Trenyce have all showed a great deal of growth over the course of the show, and I think Kim is the most improved. Clay started out at such a high point that I never thought he could get much better, but he has, and that has put him at the head of the pack. I think he could do a lot worse than to have a few Neil Sedaka tunes on his first CD.

I agree with those who have said Ruben peaked early. He was my favorite the first week or so, but he hasn't shown me anything new since then. The one change he has made is that he's heard the compliments that Ricky and Corey got for singing in their upper register, and it seems like he's tried to emulate that. I agree with the other posters who have ragged on him for being "pitchy" this week, and it follows the same trend I noticed last week -- every time he tries to go high, he misses notes and makes me cringe. Please, Ruben, stick with the Barry White imitation and lay off the Corey Clarke schtick.

I've been a big fan of Kim all along in this show (except for Heatwave, which was simply dreadful.) I think that her first song tonight was one of her worst performances of the finals, but her second song was excellent. I hope she's not voted off this week. (As a side note, she seemed really uncomfortable with her first outfit tonight, constantly tugging on her jacket to cover up her low-cut top. If she doesn't want to show cleavage, she should just choose better outfits.)

Trenyce was *much* improved this week. I still have her fourth in my hit parade, but she's really bringing her "A" game to the stage. I wish I could figure out where her nasty nasal quality is coming from, and she hits some incredibly harsh notes when she starts wailing, but the girl can sing.

Josh was the worst by a lot. 'Nuf said there.

quote:
loadstar sez:
How long are they going to be doing the "bottom three" thing? I'd almost think this week, or possibly next, would be the last week they could do it.

This week or last week are the last weeks they could do a "bottom three?" The week after that, all three performers will be the "bottom three" because there's no one else left.

Finally, I did my unscientific "busy signal" poll again this week. Clay's number was the only one still getting consistent busy signals a half hour after the show ended here on the left coast. I think the boy is getting some serious votes. Frankly, however, I expect all of Clay, Ruben and Kim to have some degree of success similar to Kelly, Justin and Tamyra, no matter what.

Posted by: CrZyMnKy

Just heard on the radio that Clay got 75% of the votes last night according to USA Today :)

Also they said that in some magazine or something they had an early preview of American Idol and they have the final 4 contestants to be left and they have Clay, Ruben, Trenyce, and Josh. Meaning that Kimberly is getting kicked off. I hope this isn't a correct because I really think Josh deserves to go. Oh well, guess will find out.

Posted by: TomK

Say it isnt so! Kimberly Locke is in the top two in my opinion, with Clay being the other singer. Ruben is good, consistently good, but he's not as good as Kimberly and Clay. Josh deserved to be gone long, long ago but he's really the only who ever sang country songs and the country fans who watch the show have no one else to vote for.

Posted by: vman

quote:
Originally posted by CrZyMnKy
Just heard on the radio that Clay got 75% of the votes last night according to USA Today :)

Also they said that in some magazine or something they had an early preview of American Idol and they have the final 4 contestants to be left and they have Clay, Ruben, Trenyce, and Josh. Meaning that Kimberly is getting kicked off. I hope this isn't a correct because I really think Josh deserves to go. Oh well, guess will find out.

Huh? I rather doubt this, since the voting didn't end on the West Coast until 2 am, well past USA Today's deadline. Maybe they have a web article or something, but it just seems wrong that they would have the data. Same for the info on who the final four are. How would any magazine or other publication know this already?

Posted by: NJChris

Ok... Josh was the worst. Everyone agrees. Bye Josh! Take that bobblehead of yours... outta here! And did he look like he was taking a dump all during the second song? Sorry to be so crude but...

I thougth (again) that Clay was the best. I don't think he's ever missed a note. Did anyone notice that after his second song, Neil Sedaka seemed *very* *very* moved by his performance?

OMG.. were the judges drunk during Ruben's songs? He missed a LOT of notes.. especially the high ones. And he seemed to be getting winded during the second song.

Kimberly was great. I really like her a lot, tho she does mess up here and there.

Trenyce I also think has a commercial quality about her. She really worked those songs last night. And that MOD 60's outfit! hehe Ryan's comment about being careful how to sit, it's only a G rated show... hehe

My choices for bottom 3.

Ruben
Trenyce
Josh

With Josh going buh-bye.

Posted by: JFriday

Does anyone else think Clay looks like a gay Chuckie doll?

Posted by: WinBear

I know it's not going to happen, but I'd like to see the following 'bottom 3'

Josh
Ruben
Clay

Clay is sent to safety and then Josh gets the boot.
(imaginary Ryan Seacrest dialog: "Lance Corporal Constipation, America voted and you're getting flushed this week, buddy."

Posted by: CrZyMnKy

quote:
Originally posted by vman
Huh? I rather doubt this, since the voting didn't end on the West Coast until 2 am, well past USA Today's deadline. Maybe they have a web article or something, but it just seems wrong that they would have the data. Same for the info on who the final four are. How would any magazine or other publication know this already?

Not really sure...just what I heard on the radio. Apparently the thing about the 4 already being picked happen on like survivor or something. Somehow they manage to make an early judgment call. I hope it is not true that Kimberly gets kicked off cause I agree that Josh has to go. Just saying that is what I heard.

Posted by: PurpleFrog

Just curious, but why did the judges tell Clay about his distracting facial expressions and NOT tell Ruben yet about his arm exercises when performing. I find myself watching him put his left arm up - put his left arm down - put his right arm up - put his right arm down. How distracting is that? I think that Randy has his mind made up that Ruben will win. I bet that Paula and Simon go with Clay. He has the most talent of the two. Ruben is starting to become boring. However - both will end up with recording contracts.

Also, I voted for Clay here on the west coast last night. The lines were busier than normal for his vote. My guess is with Carmen and Kimberly C. gone, Clay is now getting the votes from those fan bases. If so, then he wins hands down. I don't see the young girls and boys voting for Ruben or Kimberly L. Clay just seems to have more of a younger appeal that the others.

Posted by: tonyoci

I thought Josh was poor this week.

Trenyce seems to have got stuck in a rut (on a side note someone mentioned last week that she needs her fingers glueing to the mike, I noticed that this week and now it's driving me nuts)

I was not impressed with Kim this week, I think she is stretching her limits in my opinion and is firmly in third place.

Reuben - I think he is where Clay was a week or two ago, he needs to shake things up somehow.

Clay - he turned me around somewhat this week, I liked him.

I still think that none of them are as good as Kelly C was last year.

Regarding the judges, I would really like the show to force the judges to name who they think should be voted off each week (perhaps at the beginning of the Wednesday show so as not to effect the voting). According to Paula they are all great and I want to see her forced to name who should be voted off.

Bottom 3 (they did switch to bottom 2 around this time last year)

Kim L, Trenyce, Josh with Josh gone (Trenyce to go next week)

T

Posted by: CrZyMnKy

quote:
Originally posted by tonyoci

According to Paula they are all great and I want to see her forced to name who should be voted off.

T

Paula last week did clearly say she thought Carmen should be voted off. It was Simon who said they all should go and didn't pick one.

Posted by: tonyoci

I think she said that when the bottom 3 were already up on stage ??? I am talking about saying it on Tuesday or the beginning of the Wednesday show.

T

Posted by: atreyu

I was voting on the West Coast as well... I voted for Clay and Kimberly. At first, both lines were busy, but I actually got through on Clay's line far before I was able to get though on Kimberly's. Thought that was great! She was good on the first song, but on the second... wow! She looked and sounded amazing. She keeps getting better and better. Clay's first song was also incredible. I'm impressed at how well he receives the judges' criticisms and responds to them. They are definitely my top two.

Bottom 3: Ruben (just doesn't excite me)
Trenyce
Josh (he is SO far below everyone else, he must go tonight!)

Ruben sent back to safety, Josh kicked off.

Posted by: KRS

NJChris - have to agree with your saying it looked like Josh was taking a dump. All along, my wife has said he looks like he is taking a crap when he sings, and we always try to guess how many seconds into the song he will get before getting his "Dump Face" on!

LMAO @ "Twangy McTwangtwang" - can't wait to bust that one out during tonight's show!

And I am surprised that noone commented that Twangy McTwangtwang screwed up the words of his Sedaka song. I thought at least Mr. Sedaka would have noted that...

(did anyone else think of the handyman from Newhart when Neil Sedaka first walked out on stage?)

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by KRS
NJChris - have to agree with your saying it looked like Josh was taking a dump. All along, my wife has said he looks like he is taking a crap when he sings, and we always try to guess how many seconds into the song he will get before getting his "Dump Face" on!

LMAO @ "Twangy McTwangtwang" - can't wait to bust that one out during tonight's show!

And I am surprised that noone commented that Twangy McTwangtwang screwed up the words of his Sedaka song. I thought at least Mr. Sedaka would have noted that...

(did anyone else think of the handyman from Newhart when Neil Sedaka first walked out on stage?)

Tom Poston?

Posted by: farleyruskz

OMG. I cannot believe who is (and is not) in the bottom 2 this week.

Posted by: cello

oooh, please give a full report! I am busy not watching tv (though obviously not busy enough to keep me from posting here)

Posted by: scottjf8

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)

Tranice and Ruben in the bottom 2, but thankfully Ruben stayed (I'm rooting for him, he's the best)

Posted by: farleyruskz

Bottom 2: Trenyce and Ruben
Out: Trenyce

The announcement of Ruben in the bottom two was met with boos from the audience, a look of shock and disbelief from Simon, and the camera kept panning to Josh with his head in his hands...as though he knew he should have been standing on the other side of the stage instead.

Posted by: pantherman007

That was just plain wrong. Did every marine in the world spent two hours on the phone last night? Guess we get one more week of Sr. McTwangtwang... :mad:

Posted by: ufo4sale

i am so f#$#@#$@#$@ckin mad right now you have no idea. I guess there are more marines then i thought.

Posted by: ufo4sale

that means that josh is better then ruban and trenyce, according to the american public. does anyone agree with that?

Posted by: farleyruskz

I think what happened here is that a majority of the American public became apathetic and assumed that Clay and Ruben would succeed regardless and therefore didn't bother with trying to get through the busy signals to vote for them. Josh probably earned a large number of votes from fellow marines across the country, and that's what saved him this week (and many times in the past as well). I have a feeling that things will change next week, though, once America realizes what happened and come out voting in full force for Ruben.

Posted by: jradosh

This kinda reminds me of last year when Tamayra (sp?) (the one that's on Boston Public now who was coincidentally featured tonight) was voted off instead of worse singers. It was a shame then, and it's a shame now that Josh is still around.

Unlike last year, though, I don't think Ternyce would have made it past next week if Josh had gone this week.

But it just makes no sense at all that Josh wasn't even in the bottom two... let alone voted off. But then again I forget that there are a whole lot of Americans in between the East and West coasts that sop up that country twang stuff like gravy on thanksgiving day. :rolleyes:

Posted by: Turtleboy

Why do the producers hate Vanessa so much? They really despise her for some reason.

Posted by: Todd

quote:
Originally posted by Turtleboy
Why do the producers hate Vanessa so much? They really despise her for some reason.

Maybe I'm forgetting something here, but who's Vanessa?

Posted by: esperantisto

Well, I'm done with this show now!

Posted by: farleyruskz

Chunky girl with the fire-engine red hair. First to be eliminated, I believe.

Posted by: TomK

Josh not being in the bottom two was the biggest wrong of the whole year for this show. it was definitely wrong, wrong, wrong. Surely he won't make it past next week. Surely, surely, surely, surely not.

Posted by: FourFourSeven

quote:
Originally posted by jradosh
But then again I forget that there are a whole lot of Americans in between the East and West coasts that sop up that country twang stuff like gravy on thanksgiving day. :rolleyes:

You know, I do like country (among other types of music) but I can't stand Josh. He's okay when he's doing his Garth Brooks imitation (though that's just what it is - an imitation, no real style of his own), but he's HORRIBLE when he tries to sing as himself.

Compare Josh to the final three finalists on Nashville Star. It's embarassing how bad he is at country in comparision to them.

If he wasn't a Marine, he would have been gone weeks and weeks ago.

I liked Trenyce, and thought she belonged in the top four (though I didn't think she'd get beyond next week).

Probability of Trenyce having some sort of entertainment career in five years - 40%
Probability for Clay - 90%
Probability for Ruben - 80%
Probability for Kimberly - 70%
Probability for Josh - 2%

Posted by: skearney00

quote:
Originally posted by Turtleboy
Why do the producers hate Vanessa so much? They really despise her for some reason.

non-sequitor much? :)

Posted by: BLeonard

This really makes me wonder about the validity of the votes. Everyone expected Josh to be voted off and Ruben to be definitely completely safe.

This is a live show and yet the director was pretty quick with the amazed reaction of Simon and the shots of an astonished Josh with his head between his legs. I'm wondering if this is all done for drama and if the voting tabulation is any more credible than the last Florida Presidential election.

Now that I think about it, this would be consistent with what they did with Tamayra last season.

It's starting to look a little like Professional Wrestlilng.

(It certainly generates controversy and talk about the show and will keep ratings up next week)

Posted by: Turtleboy

quote:
Originally posted by skearney00
non-sequitor much? :)

Not at all.

We are talking about tonight's show, in which all of the finalists came back for a sing-a-long except for two: the criminal Corey Clark, and Vanessa, who for some reason they hate.

Posted by: laria

quote:
Originally posted by Turtleboy
We are talking about tonight's show, in which all of the finalists came back for a sing-a-long except for two: the criminal Corey Clark, and Vanessa, who for some reason they hate.

No, all the finalists who were there at the time of the original performance came back to sing it. It was performed the night Julia was voted off, hence why she was there. Charles and Vanessa were not on the show anymore when it was originally performed. And since Corey was kicked off, I'm guessing that's why he did not come back to sing it.

Posted by: TomK

I never saw Charles on stage either. I thought someone said there were 10 finalists but I only counted 9 and I had forgotten about Vanessa.

Posted by: Turtleboy

She's not on the CD either http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=music&n=507846

Posted by: laria

quote:
Originally posted by Turtleboy
She's not on the CD either http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=music&n=507846

Neither is Charles...they weren't on the show anymore!!

Posted by: CrZyMnKy

Man was that a shock not to see Josh in the bottom 2!!! I, as everyone else, expected him to be voted off, as he should have been. Though I must say it was in a way nice to see Ruben in the bottom 2, though he didn't deserve to be there more than Josh, but I don't think that Ruben is what America is looking for. He doesn't attract the main audience that a pop idol usually does. And I don't think that Ruben is as good as the judges say he is. But aside all that, Josh should have gotten the boot!

The one thing I must say is that, even though Josh didn't get voted off, I would hate to be him right now. He totally knew he should have gotten voted off and that is just a bad feeling when someone better than you gets voted off like that. That just sucks!!!

Posted by: NJChris

quote:
Originally posted by Turtleboy
Why do the producers hate Vanessa so much? They really despise her for some reason.

Didn't she recently pose nude for PETA?

Posted by: DLiquid

I like Ruben and all, but that was priceless to see the judges reactions. With the judges constantly fawning over Ruben, I think potential Ruben votes were lost because people thought he was safe for sure. Combine that with the loyal Marines voting for Josh even though he sounds like ass, and you get these results. I thought it was funny.

Posted by: LoadStar

I'm not as shocked by Ruben being there as the judges seem to have been (I only read about it - missed the episode). He's not as good as he, or the judges, make him out to be. What WAS a shock was that he OR trenyce - either one - were in the bottom two instead of Josh. I would've been more satisfied with Josh and Ruben in the bottom two, with Josh hitting the road. I guess this is why I said the middle was extremely hazy - there isn't really a clear 2nd, 3rd, and 4th progression... it's now at this point Clay and Everyone Else.

In my book, Ruben is not as good as the judges make him out to be - especially the reaction he got last night to two pretty *meh* performances ("Dawg, in my mind, you've already won this thing."). He's definitely not number one, and I think he might have been #2 at one point, but everyone but Josh have been bringing their A-games while Ruben's been coasting.

I don't think this was a Tamyra situation - Trenyce probably wouldn't have won it anyway, whereas Tamyra had a good shot at winning it all. Still, it's unexpected to say the least, and Trenyce is probably gone before she should have, in any case.

As I understand it, Josh sang "Young Girl" tonight? Can I say - eeew? The Ode to Pedophiliacs? Come on... if it's bad enough to get a mention in Dave Barry's Book of Bad Songs, they should NOT be performing it.

As much as the judges gripe about Clay, he's probably more versatile than all the rest of the contestants - he could very well do well on the Hot AC and the regular Adult Contemporary charts; he could go over to Broadway and make a mint there too, then even appear on TV or Movies with how expressive he is. Simon especially should be thankful Clay might be winning it all, because Clay can make Simon's label a tidy profit.

Posted by: tonyoci

I was shocked and will go with some combination of these theories

1) Apathy since people thought he was safe
2) Clay and Reuben splitting the "top" vote and letting Josh sneak through
3) Maybe he was not really bottom 2 but it makes better TV
4) - controversially and hopefully I can avoid being flamed - perhaps there is some subconcious racism in the voting. Maybe the majority of middle american white teenagers who are voting will vote for Josh before they vote for the others, That was my theory when Tamyra went last year also.

T

Posted by: ghettoblaster

quote:
Originally posted by FourFourSeven
Probability of Trenyce having some sort of entertainment career in five years - 40%
Probability for Clay - 90%
Probability for Ruben - 80%
Probability for Kimberly - 70%
Probability for Josh - 2%

No, I think it should be more like this..

Probability of Trenyce having some sort of entertainment career in five years - 10%
Probability for Clay - 30%
Probability for Ruben - 60%
Probability for Kimberly - 20%
Probability for Josh - 0.1%

Trenyce? ..to gummy.. nothing outstanding.. has nothing on the pros..
Clay? ..too gay.. the 12 year old girls will tire of him one month after final show. Sings like he's in a musical.. Could you imagine him singing original pop songs? NO!
Ruben? ..He's got character in his voice and will do well. Given the right songs...
Kimberly? ..no, Frenchie maybe, but not Frenchie Jr.
Josh? ..NO

It all comes down to who writes their songs. Maybe they'll make a song that sounds like it came from this century.

BTW, anyone notice how bad Justin & Kelly seem compared to the new finalists? And their movie!!?? PEEEE-YEW!!!! CHEESE!!!!

Posted by: keefer37

I was completed shocked last night when Josh wasn't in the bottom two, much less kicked off. I gotta agree with tonyoci. I think that there may be a component of race.. you've gota bunch of white pre-teens doing multiple votes. At this point, who you going to go with on looks alone if you're a white female pre-teen? Josh.

I'm so disapointed in America. Are some of these people who are voting watching the show with it muted? Josh should have gone.

It was kinda cool to see Rueben cook a bit, waiting to see if he was safe.

Posted by: Donbadabon

quote:
Originally posted by BLeonard
This is a live show and yet the director was pretty quick with the amazed reaction of Simon and the shots of an astonished Josh with his head between his legs. I'm wondering if this is all done for drama and if the voting tabulation is any more credible than the last Florida Presidential election.

It is live, but since the producers and directors know the outcome ahead of time, since the votes took place the previous night, why wouldn't the director have cameras setup to catch the expressions?
If I as the director, and they told me who the final 2 would be, I would definately have a camera on Simon, and one on Josh.

Posted by: keefer37

And additionally, even if the results weren't known, the budge is large enough that, they have coverage on the judges, contestants and all. Being ready to capture these reactions is totally expected, as Donbadabon said, especially since the results are known by the producers prior to the show.

Posted by: Mikkel_Knight

quote:
Originally posted by keefer37
I was completed shocked last night when Josh wasn't in the bottom two, much less kicked off. I gotta agree with tonyoci. I think that there may be a component of race.. you've gota bunch of white pre-teens doing multiple votes. At this point, who you going to go with on looks alone if you're a white female pre-teen? Josh.

I'm so disapointed in America. Are some of these people who are voting watching the show with it muted? Josh should have gone.

It was kinda cool to see Rueben cook a bit, waiting to see if he was safe.

Okay - kinda disappointed here... now - all the call of racism is a load of crap. Do you not think that since there is Trenyce, Ruben, and Kimberly that there could be a "bunch of black pre-teens doing multiple votes"?:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Come on - racism could work both ways.

As for the Marine thing - As a Marine myself, I can assume that Josh is devastated that he is still with the show and wouldn't surprise me if he bows out next week. (Either by bowing out, or tanking his performance(s)) At least half (if not more) of the Marine Corps is outside the U.S. right now, but go ahead and say that it is all of us Jarheads voting to keep Josh. This is one Marine who didn't vote for him and fully realize that he is not deserving enough to be in the finals any longer. I think Simon said it correctly that this is about America voting which makes it a popularity contest instead of what talent is about. My guess is that Clay, Ruben, and Kimberly will end up with some kind of recording deals, but the winner will be because of popularity, not ability. Do you not think that with Ruben in the bottom two last night and "in danger" that the entire 208 or whatever ridiculous area code he wears isn't going to "mobilize" and vote en masse multiple times? Come on please - it won't surprise me to see Clay in the bottom two next week and in danger one bit... This competition ain't about talent - it's about popularity - and has been since the beginning...

Posted by: CrZyMnKy

quote:
Originally posted by Mikkel_Knight
This competition ain't about talent - it's about popularity - and has been since the beginning...

I don't think that is totally true. I mean all the other contestants that got kicked off was legitiment. Josh would be the only one that is still hanging on and I think there are two possible reasons. 1) he is good looking and 2) he is a marine and that says a lot for the country and people look up to him for that. (This is American Idol, so it is a combination of talent in singing and also for who the person is and who people 'idolize' or look up to.)

I think the person that Clay is really attracts a lot of people and makes people look up to him. And also the fact that his singing voice can attract a range of people. Where as Ruben doesn't have as much of a range in his singing that he doesn't appeal to most everyone. He may be a good singer, but he doesn't have the whole package of being an "American Idol".

Posted by: keefer37

quote:
Originally posted by Mikkel_Knight
Okay - kinda disappointed here... now - all the call of racism is a load of crap. Do you not think that since there is Trenyce, Ruben, and Kimberly that there could be a "bunch of black pre-teens doing multiple votes"?:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Come on - racism could work both ways.

Racism could work oth ways, but the demographic is more preteen white girls than black pre teen girls. Thus, the Justin Timberlake fans are more likely to be the ones calling.. and calling more times. That's all I'm saying.

quote:

As for the Marine thing - As a Marine myself, I can assume that Josh is devastated that he is still with the show and wouldn't surprise me if he bows out next week. (Either by bowing out, or tanking his performance(s)) At least half (if not more) of the Marine Corps is outside the U.S. right now, but go ahead and say that it is all of us Jarheads voting to keep Josh.

Well I think a lot of people think he already bowed out two weeks ago, but the callers kept him in the show, whether it was Marines, preteens, or tone-deaf Americans, it doesn't matter. He's still in there and I'm sure he feels really bad that he's taking else's spot for next week and possibly for this past week too. In some ways, I think that's a lot tougher to swallow than being voted off, and rightfully so. :)

quote:

This is one Marine who didn't vote for him and fully realize that he is not deserving enough to be in the finals any longer. I think Simon said it correctly that this is about America voting which makes it a popularity contest instead of what talent is about. My guess is that Clay, Ruben, and Kimberly will end up with some kind of recording deals, but the winner will be because of popularity, not ability. Do you not think that with Ruben in the bottom two last night and "in danger" that the entire 208 or whatever ridiculous area code he wears isn't going to "mobilize" and vote en masse multiple times? Come on please - it won't surprise me to see Clay in the bottom two next week and in danger one bit... This competition ain't about talent - it's about popularity - and has been since the beginning...

It definitely is about popularity. I never watched last season, but after hearing how much of a jerk Simon was, I'm continued to be surprised how down to Earth and right on he is most of the time.

Posted by: dumbunny

The biggest problem I see in this contest is that voting is free. It makes it much too easy for people who love one contestent to vote for him/her multiple times.

Posted by: CrZyMnKy

quote:
Originally posted by dumbunny
The biggest problem I see in this contest is that voting is free. It makes it much too easy for people who love one contestent to vote for him/her multiple times.

Yeah I think that they should somehow like allow only a certain number of votes per phone number. Though at the same time I have heard a lot of people having a hard time getting through the line for certain contestants, so you would think some people wouldn't get through as much as they would like. And when people can't get through they have just given up on trying for that day. So who knows how skewed it really is with the same people voting over and over.

Posted by: WinBear

I think this vote is more of a wake up call to the judges. America is clearly saying they are tired of the judges telling Ruben he's won the competition when it's far from over.

Also, if race is an issue, then why are all the pretty white girls gone and Kim Locke still there? Kim isn't white enough to get the white vote nor black enough to get the black vote.

Posted by: uncleblaine

I agree with WinBear that Americans are perhaps sick of having the judges tell them who will or should win. When Simon said "I've said enough" in response the question about the bottom two, I think he realized that perhaps there is a contingent of voters who simply vote against him. Hence Josh not being in the final two after Simon's comment that he "can't win."

Posted by: tonyoci

quote:
Originally posted by WinBear

Also, if race is an issue, then why are all the pretty white girls gone and Kim Locke still there? Kim isn't white enough to get the white vote nor black enough to get the black vote.

Hey, I am not saying I am right it's just a theory, but to answer your question it's because more girls vote then boys. Male teens are not as likely to phone in a show for a girl as vica versa (IMHO).

Racism might be too strong a word, it's just people voting for people they see in their own image. I would hazard a guess that the demographic for this show skews white middle class more than any other group.

T

Posted by: sean67854

This just goes to show that the voting method is flawed. You should not be voting for who you want to stay, you should be voting for who you want to go. That will cull the herd more accurately.

I mean, Josh stunk. Even though he stunk, there is no direct way to vote him off. People like Clay and Ruben and Kim. Because of the fact that Josh has such a huge loyalty base, the votes FOR him outweighed the votes AGAINST him (ie, FOR the other 3) because they were split 3 ways.

If you went to a more direct voting scheme where you vote against people, those split votes would have presumably been united and outweighed his loyalty votes.

Posted by: rich

I didn't watch last season and thus didn't catch Justin Guarini the first time around. But I thought his song last night was awful. Was this just a bad night for him, or was it typical?

Posted by: WinBear

At 5 or 6 would have been a good time to introduce negative voting. If you want to vote FOR Josh, it's IDOLS-04. If you want to vote AGAINST Josh, it's IDOLS-09. Each vote against a contestant will cancel one vote for a contestant.

Posted by: walters

I've never voted, but next week I think I'll place one vote each for Clay, Ruben, and Kim. Then I'll place one additional vote for whoever I liked most in that performance.

Posted by: tonyoci

quote:
Originally posted by rich
I didn't watch last season and thus didn't catch Justin Guarini the first time around. But I thought his song last night was awful. Was this just a bad night for him, or was it typical?

He was pretty bad last year also, he showed some potential recently but this show reminded me of how bad he was last year. He was the "Josh" of last year (although he is probably better than Josh), he got through on looks and personality.

I find it interesting that people think Josh has looks and personality because he does not seem to IMHO.

T

Posted by: KRS

So I guess it is a done deal that Clay will win...

I thought Ruben would pose a threat, but if votes can't even keep him in the top three, I doubt that Clay's rumored 75% of the votes will be challenged.

I've never bothered to vote either, but I'd be more inclined to do so if it were a vote for the "singer" you want to see go home....

Posted by: dbuchthal

quote:
Originally posted by rich
I didn't watch last season and thus didn't catch Justin Guarini the first time around. But I thought his song last night was awful. Was this just a bad night for him, or was it typical?

That was a pretty good performance for Justin, well above his normal level in competition last season. If he were on the show this year, I would have rated him below Clay, Ruben and Ricky for the boys, and above Charles, Corey and Josh. As for the girls, there's no doubt in my mind that both Kelly and Tamyra are at least as good as Kim. IMnsHO, if this were a combined show, we would have had Clay, Ruben, Kelly, Tamyra and Kim this week, with Ruben getting voted off.

Posted by: NJChris

quote:
Originally posted by tonyoci
[B]He was pretty bad last year also, he showed some potential recently but this show reminded me of how bad he was last year.

I didnt' see last years, but he was so off key last night. It really was awful.

quote:
He was the "Josh" of last year (although he is probably better than Josh), he got through on looks and personality.

IIiiiieww.. he looks scary. And his personality was SO FAKE. He was pointing at people like he is so cool. It really was sad!

Posted by: DLiquid

quote:
Originally posted by NJChris
I didnt' see last years, but he was so off key last night.

I agree, he was awful. He's like the mutant clone of Milli Vanilli, except they let him sing rather than lipsync to someone else's voice.

Posted by: rich

quote:
Originally posted by DLiquid
I agree, he was awful. He's like the mutant clone of Milli Vanilli, except they let him sing rather than lipsync to someone else's voice.

So I take it that you're not going to be buying Justin's CD when it comes out in June? :rolleyes:

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by ufo4sale
that means that josh is better then ruban and trenyce, according to the american public. does anyone agree with that?

No, it means more people are willing to spend a buck (or more) to see Josh than Rueben or Trenyce.

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by walters
I've never voted, but next week I think I'll place one vote each for Clay, Ruben, and Kim. Then I'll place one additional vote for whoever I liked most in that performance.

How about you send me the 4 bucks and we'll both pretend you called to vote?

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by WinBear
At 5 or 6 would have been a good time to introduce negative voting. If you want to vote FOR Josh, it's IDOLS-04. If you want to vote AGAINST Josh, it's IDOLS-09. Each vote against a contestant will cancel one vote for a contestant.

What, and hear screams of "hanging chad" and "that's not how I wanted to vote"?

Posted by: walters

quote:
Originally posted by jhausmann
How about you send me the 4 bucks and we'll both pretend you called to vote?

What four bucks? :confused:

Posted by: DLiquid

quote:
Originally posted by rich
So I take it that you're not going to be buying Justin's CD when it comes out in June? :rolleyes:

Yeah, I'm buying Justin's CD to go along with this Corey Clark 12" I just picked up. But what I'm really waiting for is the Joshua Gracin double album, Hemorrhoid from The Heartland. :p

I think the only one I actually might consider buying a CD of would be Clay, and then only if it was good.

Posted by: tonyoci

quote:
Originally posted by NJChris
IIiiiieww.. he looks scary. And his personality was SO FAKE. He was pointing at people like he is so cool. It really was sad!

He was like that last year all fake and affected. He was the one who started the arguing with Simon thing. Simon did not like him and bashed him, so Justin shouted "Well lets see what the audience thinks then" and got them all cheering. The next week he made this very fake apology during his critique.

I saw him on other shows recently and he seems OK but all the nightmares came back last night.

T

Posted by: atreyu

quote:
Originally posted by sean67854
This just goes to show that the voting method is flawed. You should not be voting for who you want to stay, you should be voting for who you want to go. That will cull the herd more accurately.

I mean, Josh stunk. Even though he stunk, there is no direct way to vote him off. People like Clay and Ruben and Kim. Because of the fact that Josh has such a huge loyalty base, the votes FOR him outweighed the votes AGAINST him (ie, FOR the other 3) because they were split 3 ways.

If you went to a more direct voting scheme where you vote against people, those split votes would have presumably been united and outweighed his loyalty votes.

Amen!!! Exactly! That's totally what I've thought all along. From the beginning, it has frustrated me to no end that we don't vote for who we believe should be voted off the following day. Seems like it would make it far less likely that someone who obviously deserves to go could be saved by his fan club. ie. Josh's fan club would then be forced to vote for somebody else, splitting all those votes amongst the remaining (and better!) contestants... thus having far less weight. I think we should each get only one vote, and that one be for who we want off!

Posted by: tonyoci

My theory is that we don't have voting off for two reasons

1) It's mean and not in the spirit of a fun show
2) It would probably be easier to manipulate getting someone ousted that way, even if they did not deserve it.

I am not sure where I stand but that's my theory.

T

Posted by: DLiquid

I think the main reason they're not doing "voting off" is because that's what Survivor and many other contest shows do. They probably wanted to be different. Unfortunately the "voting who you like best" method is flawed. Just think how dumb Survivor would be if they voted who they wanted to stay on the show, and they could vote as many times as they wanted within a two-hour time period. ;)

Posted by: BLeonard

One thing I've noticed over the last two seasons and reading the comments here and elsewhere is that people like to root for the underdog and then once he/she becomes successful and his/her attitude changes due to the confidence success brings them, people want to bring them back down.

Posted by: dschwab

quote:
Originally posted by jhausmann
How about you send me the 4 bucks and we'll both pretend you called to vote?

It is free to cast a vote, or in this case, 4 votes. The voting lines are toll-free.

Posted by: TiVoJedi

quote:
Originally posted by BLeonard
One thing I've noticed over the last two seasons and reading the comments here and elsewhere is that people like to root for the underdog and then once he/she becomes successful and his/her attitude changes due to the confidence success brings them, people want to bring them back down.

If you're referring to Clay I think he has toned way down on that sort of behavior. Remember his original audition? He walks in the room and the judges ask him something and he reponds super confidently "because I AM the American Idol". Now he takes the comments, does his brief thank you and tries not to look all dorky saying/lipping it.

Posted by: JohnJr

Sorry I have not read the whole thread. But I just have to mouth off because Trenyce was my girl.

I thought both her performances were right on, and I gaurantee you that Simon wouldn't have let her go before Josh, if he didn't already have her on contract. `nuff said.

Call this an ode to Trenyce, but;

She has so much more class and personality than any of these other muckers, she commands the stage like no-one else. Reuben looks like a cat caught in a spot light, 90% of the time. Yes his voice is fine... but my lord, Simon, you bitched at whats-her-faces weight, but not Reubens?!

What's her face... the fat chick. Tell me if I'm wrong, but she sounded exactly like the gorgeous, skiny chick that got booted off two weeks ago, last night. Kimberly Locke... that's the fat chick, Kimberly C... OMG.

Clay lost me a long time ago, and does belong on Broadway, fluttering, twittering, whatever he wants to do.

Josh, well 'nuff said.

/sorry about that, had to vent/

I'll keep watching for entertainment value, and because I will get to see Trenyce at least once or twice more.

-John

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by dschwab
It is free to cast a vote, or in this case, 4 votes. The voting lines are toll-free.

Ahh, now that's a good thing. I had thought the calls were a buck each...

No wonder the calls don't reflect the skills.

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by JohnJr
Sorry I have not read the whole thread. But I just have to mouth off because Trenyce was my girl.

I thought both her performances were right on, and I gaurantee you that Simon wouldn't have let her go before Josh, if he didn't already have her on contract. `nuff said.

Call this an ode to Trenyce, but;

She has so much more class and personality than any of these other muckers, she commands the stage like no-one else. Reuben looks like a cat caught in a spot light, 90% of the time. Yes his voice is fine... but my lord, Simon, you bitched at whats-her-faces weight, but not Reubens?!

What's her face... the fat chick. Tell me if I'm wrong, but she sounded exactly like the gorgeous, skiny chick that got booted off two weeks ago, last night. Kimberly Locke... that's the fat chick, Kimberly C... OMG.

Clay lost me a long time ago, and does belong on Broadway, fluttering, twittering, whatever he wants to do.

Josh, well 'nuff said.

/sorry about that, had to vent/

I'll keep watching for entertainment value, and because I will get to see Trenyce at least once or twice more.

-John

Psst, John, if Trenyce has class, it's because you can "five finger" it...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/trenyce1.html

Posted by: ahartman

I still think it would be great if each judge got a single veto for the entire competition. It would make it more interesting, certainly.

Bottom three are up there, Simon uses his veto to pull someone back, the lower of the remaining two is booted (unless another judge uses their veto, etc).

Put some semblence of order back into the voting and get it somewhat back to musical talent.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American Public.

Posted by: njdboy

the fact that Ruben was one of the bottom two is absolutely ridiculous. I felt so bad for him: dominating the competition and then getting nearly screwed by the lame public. I think its safe to say Josh is out next. I can't see him getting over Clay, Kim, or Ruben. I think it will come down to Kimberly and Ruben, with the guy winning this time out.

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by ahartman
I still think it would be great if each judge got a single veto for the entire competition. It would make it more interesting, certainly.

Bottom three are up there, Simon uses his veto to pull someone back, the lower of the remaining two is booted (unless another judge uses their veto, etc).

Put some semblence of order back into the voting and get it somewhat back to musical talent.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American Public.

Even better, have each judge submit a player to be voted on. The one with the most votes gets eliminated.

Posted by: njdboy

yeah that makes sense, and if all three of them nominate the same person, then I guess they deserve to be out. I mean, whatever the judges say now is worthless other than influencing the voting public, which judging from last night doesn't seem to be making that much of an impression.

Posted by: DLiquid

quote:
Originally posted by njdboy
I think its safe to say Josh is out next.

That's what everyone was saying before Wednesday's show, and it wasn't true. He wasn't even in the bottom two! I don't think it's safe to say anything at this point, the voting produces some screwy results. It's kind of nice that it's unpredictable though, I wouldn't mind seeing Josh survive the next round or two. It's pretty amusing watching all the reactions of the judges, contestants, and viewers. If he somehow wins it all though, that would be horrible for the show. Even that would be amusing, but I'd doubt I'd watch the next season, knowing that talent has so little to do with the outcome.

Posted by: ufo4sale

if they are some how screwing with the results then there would be a lawsuit on there hands.

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by njdboy
yeah that makes sense, and if all three of them nominate the same person, then I guess they deserve to be out. I mean, whatever the judges say now is worthless other than influencing the voting public, which judging from last night doesn't seem to be making that much of an impression.

Each one nominates a different person, even if they all 3 wanted to pick the same one...

Woo hoo, yamm 1K

Posted by: NJChris

quote:
Originally posted by njdboy
the fact that Ruben was one of the bottom two is absolutely ridiculous. I felt so bad for him: dominating the competition and then getting nearly screwed by the lame public. I think its safe to say Josh is out next. I can't see him getting over Clay, Kim, or Ruben. I think it will come down to Kimberly and Ruben, with the guy winning this time out.

I dont think it was ridiculous. He was awful the past two shows. His range is awful when he tries to go higher. He goes off key. Also, his voice can't do the faster songs. He barely moves except his arms.

He is WAY over rated, IMHO.

Posted by: Mikkel_Knight

quote:
Originally posted by JohnJr
Sorry I have not read the whole thread. But I just have to mouth off because Trenyce was my girl.

I thought both her performances were right on, and I gaurantee you that Simon wouldn't have let her go before Josh, if he didn't already have her on contract. `nuff said.

Call this an ode to Trenyce, but;

She has so much more class and personality than any of these other muckers, she commands the stage like no-one else. Reuben looks like a cat caught in a spot light, 90% of the time. Yes his voice is fine... but my lord, Simon, you bitched at whats-her-faces weight, but not Reubens?!

What's her face... the fat chick. Tell me if I'm wrong, but she sounded exactly like the gorgeous, skiny chick that got booted off two weeks ago, last night. Kimberly Locke... that's the fat chick, Kimberly C... OMG.

Clay lost me a long time ago, and does belong on Broadway, fluttering, twittering, whatever he wants to do.

Josh, well 'nuff said.

/sorry about that, had to vent/

I'll keep watching for entertainment value, and because I will get to see Trenyce at least once or twice more.

-John

You want to talk about fluttering and twitering, get Trenyce some tape, glue or something and have her hold the damn mic. Her fingering is over the top and quite distracting!!

Posted by: tonyoci

My local talk show was discussing the whole Ruben deal and they used a word that is more correct than the one I used. I said there may be raciscm effecting the vote but they used the word demographics. I think that makes my point more accurately.

T