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Stargate SG-1: "1969" question
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Posted by: Mike20878

I recently watched "1969" again and had a question. If solar flares are unpredictable, why don't they experience things like this more often?

Posted by: Demandred

Because...it's a TV show. It's not real. Someone made it all up. It didn't really happen. Jack O'Neill is not a real person. Samantha Carter is not a real person. Daniel Jackson is not a real person. Jonas Quinn is not a real person. Teal'c is not a real Jaffa. These writers, they wrote that story about the Stargate, and then some other writers wrote a whole bunch more about it, and eventually they ran out of ideas for stories to write about the fictional Stargate. Then they thought, "Hey, let's write a time travel story!" After they finished, they were able to come up with some more ideas that did not involve time travel.

That's why they don't experience things like that more often. :D

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

The exotic alloy that the Stargate is composed of has quantum properties that cause it to be in synch with the nearest major power source (usually the local solar system's sun). When anomalies occur in that power source, the gate experiences an odd glow within the ring; since the quantum effect is instantaneous, but the effects of the solar flare take seven minutes to reach the Earth, that's plenty of warning, since the warm-up procedure for the gate takes longer than that. If they experience the glow, they know to delay the mission.

I can't believe you don't know this.

(And yes, I just made it all up, right this minute.)

Posted by: Connie

Not a bad explanation, but I believe the "real" one is that the transit beam from the gate passed through the path of the flare. Note that Sam's solution to get them back to 200X was to hit another flare on the other side of the sun....

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

Heh. She said "real".

:D

Posted by: JPriller

quote:
Originally posted by Demandred
Because...it's a TV show. It's not real.

I realize you're joking, but the hallmark of a good science fiction show, IMO, should be consistency and technical believability. Once you've accepted a smallish number of things on faith (stable wormholes, or FTL travel, matter transportation) everything else should follow logically without having to resort to Star Trekian particle/energy-wave-of-the-week gobbledygook.

Stargate does a fairly decent job of that (with a few exceptions) so it's not unreasonable to ask why, in the show's reality, something like "1969" had never happened before. I think they covered that sufficiently - before they opened the gate Captain Carter said something about the wormhole's flight path passing quite close to the sun and that she had to account for that in her calculations, there was an unexpected solar flare while they were in transit, and off they went.

I thought it was a great episode, myself, though I'd have liked the last few minutes to have caught us up with the hippie couple (did Michael go to Vietnam? Did he come back?) than what the writers came up with.

Posted by: Mike20878

quote:
Originally posted by JPriller
I realize you're joking, but the hallmark of a good science fiction show, IMO, should be consistency and technical believability. Once you've accepted a smallish number of things on faith (stable wormholes, or FTL travel, matter transportation) everything else should follow logically without having to resort to Star Trekian particle/energy-wave-of-the-week gobbledygook.

Stargate does a fairly decent job of that (with a few exceptions) so it's not unreasonable to ask why, in the show's reality, something like "1969" had never happened before. I think they covered that sufficiently - before they opened the gate Captain Carter said something about the wormhole's flight path passing quite close to the sun and that she had to account for that in her calculations, there was an unexpected solar flare while they were in transit, and off they went.

I thought it was a great episode, myself, though I'd have liked the last few minutes to have caught us up with the hippie couple (did Michael go to Vietnam? Did he come back?) than what the writers came up with.

I thought about that later on, actually. They probably take care not to travel at times when they will pass close to the sun. I am curious to know how they determine the path of the wormhole, though.

And it'd be interesting to hear more about Carter's research into time travel. I imagine they didn't come up with a means of traveling back to the future seeing as they had to improvise back in 1969 to find a working gate.

Posted by: JYoung

quote:
Originally posted by JPriller

I thought it was a great episode, myself, though I'd have liked the last few minutes to have caught us up with the hippie couple (did Michael go to Vietnam? Did he come back?) than what the writers came up with.

yes but wasn't worth it for

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)

O'Neill telling that officer that he was James T. Kirk?

Posted by: JPriller

quote:
Originally posted by JYoung
yes but wasn't worth it for

Even better was

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Imagining the look on the officer's face 7 years later, when "Luke Skywalker" appeared in Star Wars.

I hope the spooks then didn't give Lucas too much trouble over it...

Posted by: Connie

The debriefing for that mission must have been really extensive... the Air Force would probably have those "Russian spies" as an open case.

Posted by: RGM1138

quote:
Originally posted by JPriller
I realize you're joking, but the hallmark of a good science fiction show, IMO, should be consistency and technical believability. Once you've accepted a smallish number of things on faith (stable wormholes, or FTL travel, matter transportation) everything else should follow logically without having to resort to Star Trekian particle/energy-wave-of-the-week gobbledygook.

Stargate does a fairly decent job of that (with a few exceptions) so it's not unreasonable to ask why, in the show's reality, something like "1969" had never happened before. I think they covered that sufficiently - before they opened the gate Captain Carter said something about the wormhole's flight path passing quite close to the sun and that she had to account for that in her calculations, there was an unexpected solar flare while they were in transit, and off they went.

Ah, but of course, as everyone knows, the wormhole "flight paths" go nowhere near any star, or anything else for that matter. The wormholes exist completely outside this universe.

Sci fi physics 101. :)

Bob

Posted by: RGM1138

quote:
Originally posted by Demandred
Because...it's a TV show. It's not real. Someone made it all up. It didn't really happen. Jack O'Neill is not a real person. Samantha Carter is not a real person. Daniel Jackson is not a real person. Jonas Quinn is not a real person. Teal'c is not a real Jaffa. These writers, they wrote that story about the Stargate, and then some other writers wrote a whole bunch more about it, and eventually they ran out of ideas for stories to write about the fictional Stargate. Then they thought, "Hey, let's write a time travel story!" After they finished, they were able to come up with some more ideas that did not involve time travel.

That's why they don't experience things like that more often. :D

You mean, they don't actually dematerialize when they walk through the water in the stargate? What a ripoff!

:)

Bob

Posted by: mclark11

That's a valid point that the wormholes are not in our universe. As semi-proof of that is where the ship is about to crash into earth and they decide to go faster then light which takes them to the other side of the earth without crashing though it.
Now this is not a perfect proof since they didn't use a wormhole, rather they warped through the earth, but I bet somewhere will show that the wormhole are not in this universe but are portals to connect through outside of this universe...

By the way there was an episode of xmen cartoon where Kurt trasported and they figured out he actuall passed through a demon universe but did it so fast that no creature passed though untill they slowed him down enough and someone came from there. Pretty neat episode for a cartoon!

Posted by: JimSpence

Why is it that you can pass thru a solar flare and go back in time 30 years and then go thru another flare to return, albeit in the other direction, to your own time? Yeah, I know they missed.:)

ST:TOS did it too, but just used the sling shot effect. Real physics indicates that as you get closer to the speed of light your relative time slows as everything else flies by. So how can you reverse that? Use good writers.:)

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

Real physics don't apply when you're in a wormhole. It's all different physics in the wormhole universe.

I'm surprised you don't know this stuff! It's really pretty basic, even if I did just make it up...

Posted by: danielobvt

quote:
Originally posted by JPriller
Even better was

Nah, the best was Daniel's line:

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
<paraphrasing>Interrogator:{in russina}Are you russians spies?
Daniel: Nyet.
O'Neil: Nyet?

Posted by: JimSpence

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Real physics don't apply when you're in a wormhole. It's all different physics in the wormhole universe.

I'm surprised you don't know this stuff! It's really pretty basic, even if I did just make it up...

I knew all of that.:D

Posted by: HTH

quote:
Originally posted by JPriller
I realize you're joking, but the hallmark of a good science fiction show, IMO, should be consistency and technical believability. Once you've accepted a smallish number of things on faith (stable wormholes, or FTL travel, matter transportation) everything else should follow logically without having to resort to Star Trekian particle/energy-wave-of-the-week gobbledygook.

"Warp particles!"

Posted by: ADent

Warp particles? Is that what generates the Warp Field? Don't forget all those Tachyons.

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Wasn't it Red Sun that they

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killed a sun with the wormhole?

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
They get it fixed later.

Posted by: RGM1138

We are Pakleds. We are smarte.

We look for things that make us go.

Bob

Posted by: allan

quote:
Originally posted by Demandred
Because...it's a TV show. It's not real. Someone made it all up. It didn't really happen. Jack O'Neill is not a real person. Samantha Carter is not a real person. Daniel Jackson is not a real person. Jonas Quinn is not a real person. Teal'c is not a real Jaffa.

NOOO! Tell me it isn't so! :):):)

Posted by: mclark11

On the episode of 7 days the other day solar flares caused a chick from 1969 to go to the future.... So these solar flares can do a bunch of stuff.....

Posted by: Mike20878

quote:
Originally posted by mclark11
On the episode of 7 days the other day solar flares caused a chick from 1969 to go to the future.... So these solar flares can do a bunch of stuff.....

That show's still in syndication somewhere?

Posted by: allan

quote:
Originally posted by Mike20852
That show's still in syndication somewhere?

Yup, it's currently on TNN.