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Teen Titans
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Posted by: WinBear

I just watched the first episode. I've got very mixed feelings about the whole deal. The Titans were one of my favorite teams back when Marv Wolfman and George Perez first introduced Starfire, Cyborg and Raven. The Japanese influenced artwork and having the teens less mature just isn't hitting me right. I'm hoping that by falling back to Beast Boy, they are moving toward changing his name by the time Robin becomes Nightwing. Wonder Girl wasn't particularly missed, although I generally liked her storylines in the comics.

Things they got right:

Introducing The HIVE and Slade immediately. I expected something like Trigon or Fearsome Five, but these bad kids were ok.

Raven - Actually very close to what I expected for her. Nice show of telekinetics which is actually more blatant than her comic powers originally.

Starfire - she's certainly not the 'balloon bod' I grew up, but was fairly convincing as an alien adolescent still learning our culture.

Robin - Of course, he's the leader and the team falls apart in his absence.

Cyborg and Beast Boy each redeemed themselves by the end of the episode.

Final thoughts...

I think I'll keep watching it until the immaturity is more than I want to deal with. The artwork at least will be consistent even if I think it is often silly looking.

I think it'll balance nicely with Spider-Man and Justice League. It's a much lighter show, even though the Titans wasn't usually the lighter comic of those.

Posted by: Philosofy

It was OK, but I wish they used the same voice for Robin that they had for Tim Drake in BTAS. I would also like to see the charecter revealed as Tim, not Dick. I thought it was a little cheap that the 5 of them went against a team of 3 and had problems with them. Kinda seemed one sided to me.

Posted by: holee

I didn't like it very much. The show was obviously geared towards a younger audience, but I had no idea just how young until I saw it.

The scene with Cyborg's remote arm, for example. I thought it was put it mostly for laughs. I mean if Cyborg was THAT powerful, the battle shouldn't have taken veyr long.

And as was pointed out, the five them of them should have been able to take out the three HIVE guys in about 2 minutesl.

The whole episode was just one slapstick fight, and if this is how it'll be, I'll be even more disappointed.

Posted by: David Platt

quote:
Originally posted by holee
I didn't like it very much. The show was obviously geared towards a younger audience, but I had no idea just how young until I saw it.

Yep, I'm in total agreement. I think I made it about 10 minutes into the show before I deleted it and cancelled my Season Pass. I just couldn't take the 'kiddiness' of it.

Posted by: MikeekiM

I agree... I did not care for it... It was not at the right level for anyone in my family...

To immature for my wife and I... But the language was not great for my 3 and 5 year olds either... It was not swearing, but if you are a parent of young kids this age, you know what I mean...

I think the right age for this is +/-10...

I'll still give it a few more tries (without the kids this time)...

The one positive... I liked the opening theme music :) It's still playing in my head :D

Posted by: doom1701

I don't know--the first time I watched it, I thought "This is way too out there. I want something mature like Batman."

Then I started thinking "But Raven is hot..." :D

So, the second time I watched it, it wasn't bad.

Third time I watched it, it was really starting to grow on me. It's definately a "check your brain at the door" superhero show, but sometimes you need that. While I do wish that they had used the same voice for Robin as in the cartoon, and I don't quite get why he's in costume all the time (they live in that tower, right?), once I realized I could have fun with it, I really enjoyed it.

Just keep in mind, this is coming from someone who recently setup season passes for Spongebob Squarepants and Powerpuff girls. I think I'm shooting for immaturity right now. :)

Posted by: MikeekiM

quote:
Originally posted by doom1701
Just keep in mind, this is coming from someone who recently setup season passes for Spongebob Squarepants and Powerpuff girls. I think I'm shooting for immaturity right now. :)

Actually, good point... If I look at some of the movies and shows I watch, they are not exactly high and mighty examples of maturity :D Just depends on what state of mind you are when you watch these programs...

But I still stand by my comment on the appropriateness for my 3 and 5 year olds... I have enough problems with other kids influencing my kids language, let alone having them mimic the poor language of cartoons...

Posted by: VinceA

I sort of liked the show. It definitely needs to get more refined as the season goes on but that's to be expected. The anime-style was fine by me since most of my animated viewing is of anime anyway (although for those that would like to see anime that's been influenced by American animation take a look at Big O on Adult Swim - it's very Batman-esque, for a good reason). The opening theme song was done by a J-pop artist which just adds to the anime flavoring of the show.

Posted by: harvscar

quote:
Originally posted by doom1701

Just keep in mind, this is coming from someone who recently setup season passes for Spongebob Squarepants and Powerpuff girls. I think I'm shooting for immaturity right now. :)

You should set up some SPs for Fairly Oddparents and Rocko's Modern Life (older reruns on Nick) as well. Two more "kids" shows with funny stuff for the immature adult.

Posted by: holee

quote:
Originally posted by doom1701

Then I started thinking "But Raven is hot..." :D

Dude, she's 13!!! 14 tops! :)

Posted by: holee

The show was not bad, in the sense that it was obviously planned. It was well constructed. All of the elements fell into place into delivering exactly what we saw, and if I was expecting a cartoon for 10-year olds, I would have been set.

But man, I was hoping for something Wolfman/Perez-esque. Some sort of background story. I just did NOT expect what I saw.

This reminds me more of a sitcom. Or some Hanna Barbara cartoon. Here are the five characters. Let's watch them react to their surroundings. Shows like Batman Beyond and Justice League have really spoiled me, I guess.

I'll give it a couple more episodes. I really hope they work on some of the back stories and add a lot more depth though.

Posted by: Philosofy

I guess what made it disappointing for me is that they just re-launched Teen Titans, with most of the cast of Young Justice, and Cyborg and Starfire as the teachers. The art was fantastic, and the story line was good as well. Its worth a look.

Posted by: keirgrey

quote:
Originally posted by VinceA
The opening theme song was done by a J-pop artist which just adds to the anime flavoring of the show.

It sounded like Shonen Knife. Can't be sure though.

Not too thrilled with the show. For some reason, I was expecting more. I'll give it another couple of tries. Of course, my 10 year old son will want to watch it, so I'm kind of stuck with it. ;)

Posted by: whoknows55

I haven't finished watching it yet.(I'm assuming final exam is the pilot) but the anime style is getting on my nerves a bit. Not because I don't like anime(I like some of it). I just don’t think it's the style that should be used for an american comic book.

Posted by: MikeekiM

quote:
Originally posted by whoknows55
I haven't finished watching it yet.(I'm assuming final exam is the pilot) but the anime style is getting on my nerves a bit. Not because I don't like anime(I like some of it). I just don’t think it's the style that should be used for an american comic book.

True...but the computer animation on Spiderman is also distracting for me...

Posted by: VinceA

quote:
Originally posted by greykey
It sounded like Shonen Knife. Can't be sure though.

Not too thrilled with the show. For some reason, I was expecting more. I'll give it another couple of tries. Of course, my 10 year old son will want to watch it, so I'm kind of stuck with it. ;)

It wasn't Shonen Knife, it was Puffy Ami Yumi :)

CN seems to be stratifying their programming blocks age-wise. Toonami seems to be down-aging, their Saturday block seems to be for 10-13's (maybe a little higher for Ruroni Kenshin) and Adult Swim is for everyone else. I record stuff from all the blocks anyway...

Posted by: allan

My gripe is that "Teen" Titans should be, um, teenagers? Cyborg looked like he might be a teen, but the others looked like they couldn't be more than 8!

Posted by: keirgrey

quote:
Originally posted by VinceA
It wasn't Shonen Knife, it was Puffy Ami Yumi :)

You see what happens when you don't follow Japanese pop? The only two Japanese bands I have any kind of familiarity with are Shonen Knife and EZO. Now I can add Puffy Ami Yumi. :p

Posted by: sieglinde

Yuccho!!! I was looking forward to this expecting a young version of the Justice League. (Which it sort of was back in my comic book days.) I got used to the animation but the way the kids acted and the story was way too dumbed down.

Powerpuff Girls and Spongebob Squarepants are on such an unusual level, that I can watch and enjoy them. Maybe I like little kid stuff but not 7-10 year stuff.

Posted by: VinceA

Either that or you walked in with expectations that just didn't get met. I find that to be the problem with a lot of shows that I look forward to but turn out differently than I expected.

Posted by: Leo Valiant

Another voice for "too young for me."

My memory got the best of me. I thought this was about the group that I read in the 70s-80s that had Lightning Lad, Saturn Girl, Ultra Boy, Braniac 5, Superboy, etc..

Posted by: allan

Nope, you're thinking of the Legion of Superheros!

Posted by: hairyblue

When I first started to watch the Teen Titans and saw the Anime, I thought I had recorded the wrong program. I watched as the very cartoonish characters talked--their mouths opened and closed in a very strange way. Then I realized to my horror that this was the show. I hate anime. I think it's very cheap looking and very cartoonish. At one point, we get a view from afar of the Titan Tower and it was bouching and stretching, and ballooning up to spit out the Titans. This is just like those horrible Flintstone cartoons.

I collected the "New Teen Titans" with marv wolfman too. They had very nice stories and were on a much higher maturity level. Maybe the anime folks will like it. I for one have deleted my season pass. I can't take watching any more of it.

Posted by: KLB

If Marv Wolfman and George Perez were dead they would be spinning in their graves at 3437 RPM. As it is, I hope they didn't see this piece of crap.

Meant for the under 7 set. Childish, silly, juvenile, and poor.

If you ever read the comic and liked it... don't watch it. save yourself the pain.

My one word review is: SUCKS

Also: I'm STUNNED Bruce Timm had anything to do with this.

Posted by: sieglinde

Right!!! I expected Justice League or something like it since the Superman and Batman cartoons were at an adult level.

Posted by: whoknows55

quote:
Originally posted by VinceA
I sort of liked the show. It definitely needs to get more refined as the season goes on but that's to be expected. The anime-style was fine by me since most of my animated viewing is of anime anyway (although for those that would like to see anime that's been influenced by American animation take a look at Big O on Adult Swim - it's very Batman-esque, for a good reason). The opening theme song was done by a J-pop artist which just adds to the anime flavoring of the show.

Thanks a lot for the Big O recommendation. I watched it and I really like it. I now have a new season pass..

Posted by: Big_Daddy

Add one to the "too kid-oriented for me" pile. Justice League it's not - which may have been (and probably was) intentional. I guess it's more like the original TT series, pre-Wolfman/Perez.

I'll give it another shot, although it was painful to watch.

And what's up with the opening song? Gaaah, when I heard that I knew I was in trouble.

Posted by: VinceA

The theme is done by a J-Pop group (as discussed earlier). Maybe this is because CN thinks the target demographic likes anime as much or more than American animation. So they've given TT a very anime-ish look & feel. I could be wrong about this but it's very possible.

Posted by: Jeff Edsell

I'm on the edge with this one, but I'll give it another ep or two before I decide.

The theme annoyed me, but like most J-pop, if I hear it another time or two I'll probably singing it for hours on end.

The fights worked much better than the "hanging out and being teenagers" schtick. I like the fact that this isn't the solid, experienced Justice League -- these guys will make mistakes before they learn to do things right.

I'm of two minds about the anime influence. Someone more well-versed in the genre help me out here -- is it fair to say that TT is being done anime-style, or did they just appropriate some of the visual cues (like diagonal red lines across the face to indicate blushing)?

I wonder if we'll see these kinds in their civilian life -- can folks like Cyborg and Starfire have a civilian life?

Robin and Starfire marry in the comics, correct? It will be interesting if they start to develop that romance in the series.

Posted by: VinceA

It's going to take a few more weeks to see how much influence anime has had on TT. It might be a few visual cues & the theme or it might be more.

Posted by: bobcarn

I finally saw an episode, "Sisters", just the other night. I'm sort of on the fence with it too. I don't like the anime art style (I don't care for any anime style) and I think the Titans look too young. But there were still some humor in it that I thought was OK. I'll watch a few more episodes before I decide whether to keep watching it or not.

Posted by: Big_Daddy

Despite my earlier criticism of the show, they at least appear to be making an attempt to draw from the rich characters and continuity of the comics. It was nice to see Blackfire (although I never pictured her as a 12 year old girl...oh well...). I liked this episode better than the first.

It will be interesting to see if the characters evolve - such as Beast Boy developing into Changeling, and such. If the series lasts that long, that is....

Posted by: rtype

I think I'm the only one really digging this show. I've seen many American cartoons attempt to immitate the anime style and in my view, this is the first one that nailed it. It sounds like a lot of you guys don't care for anime--I wonder if other anime fans would like it. I love the art style and I dig the characters a lot. For a show that's obviously shooting for a younger audience, I was surprised that the quality of the dialog was as good as it was. I wonder sometimes what you guys expect.

I think the Justice League cartoon is the one that is overrated and I'm confused as to how some of you can think of it as being comparable to Batman: TAS. Maybe I just haven't seen enough episodes of it, though.

I was also surprised to hear the MTV Spidey-bashing. This is my favorite Spidey cartoon since the 1960s incarnation.

Posted by: VinceA

I'm liking it. The second episode shows more promise than the first.

As far as anime fans liking it... many don't like it since it's Americans imitating anime which many otaku hate (for odd reasons). You should see some of the hate flowing at some message boards.

Posted by: Jeff Edsell

I liked "Sisters" much better, and am now looking forward to more episodes. The personality interactions were much stronger, and we're begininng to see some real character development instead of just "attitude".

The anime-inspired stylistic choices still feel like they clash a bit, but maybe I just need to get used to them. (I've watched some anime, but more action-oriented than relationship-oriented.) Call me crazy, but when a character's face becomes a blank oval with two o's for eyes and an upside-down u for a mouth, it kinda takes me out of the story.

Still thumbs up.

(I don't doubt that the bile is flowing freely from "real" anime fans. These are probably the same people who argue that US action cartoons would be much better if only they were more like anime.)

Posted by: WinBear

I think the complaints about the anime style comes from the fact that the Teen Titans are well established in other visual styles and the difference is too jarring.

Posted by: Big_Daddy

quote:
Originally posted by allan
Nope, you're thinking of the Legion of Superheros!

Now that is a show I'd love to see! I have fond memories of those comics from my misspent youth.

Posted by: rtype

I have more in common with anime "otaku" than I'd care to admit and I tend to agree with them--most of the US animation that has attempted to take from anime has been pretty bad. I'm just saying that, as an anime fan, I found Teen Titans to be the first US cartoon that succeeded. If it didn't have a legacy in US comics, I wonder if anime fans would be more receptive? Either way, the "otaku" we're talking about are a really tiny segment and I just hope the cartoon is well received by the larger public. The hardcore anime fans can stick to the fansubbed obscure stuff.

As for Teen Titans not being well received because of it being associated with an existing style, I can't agree--at least not among real comic fans. Every successful comic series (except maybe Cerebus) has had drastic reinterpretations. Every artist brings his own look to the characters and I've really enjoyed watching Spider-Man evolve through the years with the Romitas, McFarlane, Buscema, Bagley... let's just say I'm a much happier fan than I would have been if everyone had felt obligated to try to draw Spidey exactly like Ditko. And it's not like the anime influence hasn't hit comics with artists like Lenil Lu and Udon drawing large audiences.

It's ironic to me that the general public always seems a little more open minded than the core fans of these types of things. I suppose I was no better when I abandoned Metallica for hiring Bob Rock and putting out pop-rock--ah well.

Posted by: c3po33

I just couldn't finish seeing the first episode. It bored me, love X-Men, X-Men Evolution, Spiderman (90's version) and even the new He-Man though.

Posted by: bobcarn

I'm just not an anime fan rtype. I've never liked the art style, whether it's in cartoons or extended to comic books. I just think when you're drawing people, they should look and act like people. A lot of anime is really geared towards young audiences. Being older, I can appreciate nuances in storyline, direction, and animation that you see in series like Batman, Superman, X-Men, and Justice League.

I do think Justice League is very much like the Batman series. Dialog is not used as filler material, and the characters are relatively faithful. As a matter of fact, Batman in the Justice League is pretty awesome, and maybe even more so than in the Batman series. The contrast between him and the other Justice Leaguers makes him seem even more.... Batman-like.

I'll watch a few more episodes of TT. I think I like Raven's goth look and attitude the best out of all the things in the show.

Posted by: sieglinde

I didn't have any objections to the anime style of Teen Titans though I despise anime. Plot and story is more important to me than style and the style was actually the most interesting thing about the cartoon.

Posted by: holee

Three episodes down....so at some point we're going to get some personality and history right? Or is this basically a riff of the Powerpuff Girls?

I take it back, the Powerpuff Girls at least have a background. These guys are just spandex 24x7 with no motivation.

I mean the episode was fun, I'll give them that. But it was just a simple fight scene again, with a really fluffy "plot" you could see a mile away.

Posted by: KLB

I tried it again and still have to give my previous review: to me, it sucks.... If you're into that style of anime or are a little kid then it might be good for you.

BUT, if you ever read the book back in the glory days of Wolfman/Perez stay away... stay far away.

Especially the way GP used to draw Cori... (sigh)

this would have been a great animated show if they would have went the same direction as Justice League or B:TAS

Posted by: bobcarn

I couldn't watch another whole episode. The animation and childish attitude really got to me about a third of the way through and I just gave up on it. It's definitely geared towards young children.

Posted by: rtype

According to the interview in Wizard, they are never going to do an origins episode. They said it would only confuse continuity and the people who would really want it already know the comics anyway.

Posted by: Philosofy

I'm deleting this one too.

Posted by: Graymalkin

Already gone from my SP list.

Posted by: cancermatt

Hey gang, big BATMAN comic fan here. I'm liking the show so far, for what it is, not my expectations for it (following groundbreaking B:TAS and to a lesser extent, S:TAS and JL). Having not read but a few TT comics in the '80s, my biggest gripe is Robin isn't Dick Grayson, but Tim Drake. This, paired w/o any sort of origin/background eps. makes me wary of future episodes and the fact that these Timm and Co. are creating their own continuity as they go.

Question 1: Is Timm the only one from past DC-related properties working on TT?

Question 2: Can someone who read the '80s comics give me the character background of all the main good and bad guys (comics wise)?

Question 3: What's the main differences from the original comics and the 'toon incarnation?

Question 4: Will we see past enemies from both Batman and Superman making guest appearances? Or any other DC main character's enemies?

Question 5: Don't these kids ever go to school? If so, will it be copying the much-better plots of X-Men: Evolution too much?

I'll give the show some time, since I'm doing little more than cleaning out my tivos and catching up on very few new summer shows.

Posted by: rtype

I've never been a fan of the Teen Titans comic but I can answer some of this.

1. No. Cyborg was relatively popular for a while. He was actually in the Super Powers cartoon in the 80s if you remember that. (As was Firestorm, woot.) The others have been in comics but I can't tell you which years or issues they were with the Titans. Clearly the networks wanted a diverse cast.

2. I wouldn't mind a primer myself.

3. In the newest Teen Titans comic, they are essentially Young Justice "graduates." The old Teen Titans (including Dick Grayson, Nightwing) have moved on to other projects.

4. The creators want to seperate themselves from Batman and Superman. They've said in interviews that they don't want Robin to be dependent on Batman. Robin is the leader of Teen Titans and they don't want his image to be that of a sidekick.

5. I don't care for X-Men Evolution so I hope not. :) Moreover, I don't think Teen Titans is supposed to be too serious of a series. It's clearly an "action" show.

Posted by: cancermatt

I noticed in the most recent episode the members referred to themselves as to having super powers (nudge nudge) and then showed Robin on the screen (who doesn't have any) and kind of sighed.

But I thought the main bad guy was a rip off of CLAYFACE from Batman. Here's to hoping the baddies get better, individual characterization.

Posted by: WinBear

I wonder if they are even going to give the kids first names? So far, the Starfire/Blackfire story seemed to point to the idea that they were only going to refer to each other by their hero/villain names, which makes the whole "Slade" thing ridiculous. It would have been better if Slade was always called Deathstroke.

Posted by: holee

quote:
Originally posted by rtype
According to the interview in Wizard, they are never going to do an origins episode. They said it would only confuse continuity and the people who would really want it already know the comics anyway.

That's not a good idea. The idea is to bring in all fans, not just comic book fans. And even amongst casual comic book fans, the Teen Titans' heyday was a while back.

Can't they at LEAST get first names? Or an explanation on how these teens are living unsupervised in a gazillion dollar tower?

Posted by: sieglinde

Yeah, I lived in a small town. I didn't always get those big origins issues. Also it has been a century or two since I have read a DC comic so how would I even remember their origins?

Posted by: Big_Daddy

quote:
Originally posted by rtype
According to the interview in Wizard, they are never going to do an origins episode. They said it would only confuse continuity and the people who would really want it already know the comics anyway.

For the most part, the origins aren't that hard to figure out, even if you haven't read the comic.

Cyborg: got in freak accident, now he's half machine
Beast Boy: got in freak accident, now he's green and changes into animals (well, maybe this is less intuitive)

Robin: everyone knows Batman's young ward

It's Starfire and Raven that are MUCH less intuitive. Although the story with Blackfire hit on Starfire's extraterrestrial origins, they aren't obvious to the casual viewer - instead she comes off clueless (which she is because she's an alien). Raven's background is potentially the most important if the series lasts long enough to go in the route Marv Wolfman took her.

I'm still watching. I didn't like the 3rd episode as much as the 2nd, but hey - it's summer, not much else is on right now.

Posted by: WinBear

Raven's daddy, Trigon, could make for an interesting episode. A big 4 eyed mulit-horned demon is ravaging the city so he can ground Raven for life.

Posted by: Big_Daddy

quote:
Originally posted by WinBear
Raven's daddy, Trigon, could make for an interesting episode. A big 4 eyed mulit-horned demon is ravaging the city so he can ground Raven for life.

Particularly if they made him look like Lurr from Omicron Persei Eight as seen in Futurama!

Posted by: jwjody

quote:
Originally posted by Big_Daddy
Raven's background is potentially the most important if the series lasts long enough to go in the route Marv Wolfman took her.

Haven't read the comics. Wanna divulge the background?

J

Posted by: thehepcat

quote:
Originally posted by greykey
You see what happens when you don't follow Japanese pop? The only two Japanese bands I have any kind of familiarity with are Shonen Knife and EZO. Now I can add Puffy Ami Yumi. :p

Well, I can add two more to your list: Cibo Mato and Fantastic Plastic Machine.

great stuff.

Posted by: thehepcat

After the first episode, I was questioning my policy of watching 3 episodes before killing an SP.

After watching "Sisters" I have renewed optimism. I think the younger angle would have bothered me before I started watching Static, but now I can look past it.

Posted by: Big_Daddy

quote:
Originally posted by jwjody
Haven't read the comics. Wanna divulge the background?

J

Winbear essentially hit it. As far as I remember (and trust me, it's been awhile) Raven is daughter to Trigon, a 4-eyed demon lord. Apparently Trigon went trolling for human woman-flesh, found Raven's mom, and Raven was the end result. But as she's part demon, that evil part of her wants to come out - hence she's so subdued, as she's restraining it. But then of course, it does come out, she gets all demonic, Trigon almost takes over the world, the Titans stop him, and I think Raven bites it in the process.

Again, the comic as I remember it. Not necessarily the series. If someone has a more clear memory feel free to correct me.

Posted by: doom1701

Anybody up for a "Who's still watching?" thread?

I am, and I'm still actually liking it. The little emoticons or whatever they are that are always popping up above characters heads are getting annoying, as is the fact that we now know Robin sleeps with his costume (and mask) on. But the stories are pretty decent.

And since JL is still in reruns (how many times are they gonna run Metamorpho?), it gives me my superhero fix.

Posted by: rtype

I'm still watching it but I've lost a lot of interest in it. When it comes to shows like this tho, you may as well stick around for all of them--it won't last long.

Posted by: harvscar

I'm actually liking this show more with each episode. The Manga stuff is a bit annoying at times, but it works well overall within the confines of the show. They play up the interaction between the females a lot and it works. The shows where Starfire invades Raven's "space" and where they switch bodies were very well done. The theme song is incredibly catchy too!

Posted by: WinBear

The Aqualad/Trident episode was written by Marv Wolfman! Imagine that!

Posted by: whoknows55

I'm liking it more and more. The amine stuff still gets on my nerves but I'm dealing

Posted by: VinceA

I think it's hilarious that the theme song is sung alternately in English & Japanese. I see it as fair that TT use anime conventions while Big O uses many American animation conventions/homages.

Posted by: grins

Well, my 10-year-old daughter is _insane_ for it. I think she just found it, and watched the last three episodes (switched, nevermore, deep six) essentially non-stop on Saturday, and insisted that they be marked save until I delete until they could be dumped to DVD. ;-)

Posted by: tgr131

My 7 year old and 4 year old LOVE it. I actually find it entertaining -- but then I grew up on the "Wendy and Marvin" version of Super Friends.

Posted by: allan

The stories don't suck, but I still don't like the anime. And except for Cyborg and Aqualad, everyone else looks 8! A little young for "Teen" Titans.

Posted by: doom1701

I think this show is really catching it's stride. The two part "Apprentice" episode was darn good. Still too much anime stuff, but the story and characters were excellent.

Posted by: WinBear

Yeah, I really liked the Apprentice story and the "Wayne Enterprises" rooftop scene right after Robin said "I already have a father."