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New host for "This Old House"
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Posted by: modnar

I'm a big fan of "This Old House" and didn't know until today that the show have a new host, Kevin O'Connor.

Here's a link to their web site with some information on him:
http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/html/news/newhost.html

Was I just living in a black hole and somehow missed this or has this slipped by any other "This Old House" fans?

Posted by: JimSpence

So why is Steve Thomas leaving? I wonder if he's going to start his own show like Bob Vila did? :)

Posted by: modnar

quote:
Originally posted by JimSpence
So why is Steve Thomas leaving? I wonder if he's going to start his own show like Bob Vila did? :)

Not sure... I haven't found any information about why he left.

Posted by: LoadStar

Here's the only article I can find on Thomas' leaving the show: http://www.freep.com/entertainment/...s9_20030609.htm

It says that Steve Thomas is scheduled to do a 5 part series on Habitat for Humanity for DIYnet.

Edit: here is a better article: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...16p-81462c.html

All it says is that he "wanted to move on."

Posted by: spartanstew

I didn't even know Bob Villa didn't host this show.

Stew

Posted by: Big Deficit

Maybe Steve should do a show on the structural aspects of a comb over? :p Does anyone actually watch DIYnet? I'm guessing they're looking to use Steve to establish them much in the way H&G used JoAnne Liebler of Hometime fame.

I always felt the Bob was a vastly superior host off TOH. Steve is a bit too saccharin for my liking. On the other hand, Bob's current show leaves a lot lacking. The pacing is just too quick. They try to fit too much info into an episode, glancing over too many details with too little true info. Reilly(?) the carpenter has got to be the worst DIY personality on TV! That pieces of his hand have occasionally disappeared over the years is disturbing. Pay more attention and slow down with that saw!!!!

I hope the new host reinvigorates TOH. The show used to feature ideas that the average home owner could incorporate in their own projects, but has increasingly become "This Old House of the Filthy Rich". Ask This Old House was a major disappointment, many shows have already covered that ground a lot better.

Posted by: doom1701

Doesn't everyone watch DIY? You should be.

Posted by: JimSpence

The problem I have with the do-it-yourself genre of shows is that I learn what I should have done.:(

Posted by: LoadStar

Personally, I always liked Hometime more than This Old House, because when the show started out, they made sure that the Average Joe could follow their instructions and reproduce the projects. They had a workshop where they showed various things being put together step by step.

This Old House was always the show that showed the host (Steve or Bob) walking around a million plus dollar home playing foreman to a cast of thousands. Interesting to see what they're doing, but completely useless to a do it yourselfer.

However, even Hometime has fallen victim to doing over-the-top projects that no one at home could ever reproduce, and they've brought in more and more contractors over the years. That's pretty much when I stopped watching them as well.

Posted by: grecorj

Thank goodness that Bob, Steve, Norm, et al, will live on in perpetuity via reruns. :D

Steve got much, much better as the show went on, but I never believed for a second he was as into it as Bob used to be...

Posted by: Bradc314

quote:
Originally posted by doom1701
Doesn't everyone watch DIY? You should be.

Oh, I'm sure they will be soon.

Posted by: Philosofy

quote:
Originally posted by doom1701
Doesn't everyone watch DIY? You should be.

Especially this Friday. Oh, wait, it won't be on until January. Nevermind. ;)

Posted by: jayntguru

I am a big fan and this is news to me.

Steve is sortof a dumbass, everytime they hand him the power tools I get a little worried. This new guy sounds like even more of a n00b. This concerns me greatly.

I used to think that I liked Bob better. That is, until they started playing the really old re-runs of the show with Bob on them again. After seeing a few of these I changed my mind to liking Steve better.

Posted by: pmyers

wow...this is news to me. I enjoyed Steve especially as time has passed. I feel like we were both learning at the same time ;)

Posted by: JPriller

Steve? Oh yeah, he's that guy that talks to the camera in between the segments with Norm in them. :)

I long ago stopped watching the show for ideas on what I could do myself (putting up a knee-wall and converting an attic, etc), ever since the $500K timberframe-barn conversion it's been more like "This Old Mansion". But Steve wasn't nearly as bad as Bob Villa (too smarmy).

Posted by: IJustLikeTivo

I never really cared for Steve as a host. He never seemed to know what was going on and he knows less about the business that even Bob (I'm a freakin Genius ) Vila did. I don't miss Bob and I won't miss Steve. Norm, tommy and Rich have always been the heart of the show. They know they and they don't bite the hands that feed them.

I do agree on the this Old Mansion comment by jPriller. I did like it more in the early days when the did the kinds of projects normal people do. Hometime is better but has moved in the mansion direction a lot of the time too. I still learn al lot but I take it all with a grain of sand. Some of the stuff they do is SOOOOO far out of normal that I just laugh.

Posted by: modnar

I agree with all the comments about the show focusing on larger projects. One of the articles LoadStar mentions touches on that point. I hope they'll use this transition as a way to transition back to more modest projects.

Posted by: jsmeeker

I like TOH.. Yes, it certainly is "This Old Mansion" If I ever come into serious money and can afford my own place the way I would want it, the show has given me lots of good ideas. But one can always dream. :)

Posted by: modnar

quote:
Originally posted by jsmeeker
I like TOH.. Yes, it certainly is "This Old Mansion" If I ever come into serious money and can afford my own place the way I would want it, the show has given me lots of good ideas. But one can always dream. :)

Don't get me wrong. I do still really enjoy the show.

Posted by: doom1701

quote:
Originally posted by IJustLikeTivo
I do agree on the this Old Mansion comment by jPriller. I did like it more in the early days when the did the kinds of projects normal people do. Hometime is better but has moved in the mansion direction a lot of the time too. I still learn al lot but I take it all with a grain of sand. Some of the stuff they do is SOOOOO far out of normal that I just laugh.

Hometime does seem to at least alternate. Yeah, the do work on a lot of fancy houses, but a lot of the jobs are pretty routine stuff. Garage updates, basement remodels, etc. That giant Mansion they built a number of seasons ago still gets used--I'd bet it's one of the producer's houses, and they keep coming up with updates they want the show to pay for. That's the only reason they'd do an episode on building a wine cellar...

Posted by: Squeak

Personally, I really like it now they have done the larger houses with more intricate details -- why? Because while they might do 30 or so sub-projects that are very detailed, and most people would never do that many in our house, we get to see 30 different ideas for that one or two we would do.

Otherwise, it is just a lot like watching the guys down the street put up tract-housing: very repetitive, with very little detail.

The 'Mansions' afford them the ability to show off many more 'cool' things.

Oh, and I refuse to watch any TOHC that have Bob in them...I don't like his style on that show (but I dont mind his new show), and really don't care for the older shows.

Posted by: wdcoy

I just read this, great news, my wife and I never like Steve or Bob. Hope the new guy is better. I think the reason we didn't like Steve or Bob was that every project they asked the same questions. I know they have to do this for viewers who never saw the show before, but after 24 years, it gets old.

Don

Posted by: jdfs

I read about this about a month ago. It didn't seem Steve wanted to move on. It was that TOH wanted some new blood. I was on another forum and someone had seen Steve at a home show and he didn't have anything else planned yet and seemed surprised by the whole thing. I think in many cases Steve tried to play "dumb" to have them explain things. Bob used to try to do the same thing, but then always had to add an "exactly" after the explanation which made it sound more like he was quizzing them.

Posted by: modnar

The page I linked to in my first post of this thread says the new host was kind of discovered when they did a segment with him on "Ask This Old House" and helped him remove wallpaper. The description for this Saturday's (9/6/2003) episode of "Ask This Old House" includes something about removing wallpaper, so this may be a good show to watch in order to see the new host.

Posted by: Frylock

I could not, and to this day still can't, stand Bob Vila. The man is a fraud! He drives me insane! I really question if he knows anything about home improvement beyond what Norm taught him. Norm knows his stuff that's for sure.

Steve was a nice guy, but who is this show shot for? People who enjoy doing home improvement, or people who know nothing about it? He was bad for the former, but good for the latter. I always thought they show it for the former.

Posted by: randyf

Hmmm..

I like Steve OK... He doesn't pretend to know everything like Bob Villa did.

I think that Bob V was one of the most ARROGANT, obnoxious twerps I have ever seen.

Maybe it's just me, but it seemed like a lot of times when he would try to authoritatively tell Norm how to do something, Norm was gritting his teeth to keep from putting a nailgun on Bob's forehead !

As a side note... Norm seems to own the This Old House Classics brand.. ?? at least that's my perception. :confused:

Anyway, we'll see how the show goes with a new host. Actually it seems like Norm could just BE the host in addition to the other things he does.

I also agree about the " This old Mansion" comment.. I remember when they did an old Church that they remodeled into a H U G E house !! I think they paid $800,000 for the joint, and the remodel budget was another $850,000 :eek: :eek: :eek:

Posted by: Kablemodem

quote:
Originally posted by randyf
Hmmm..

I like Steve OK... He doesn't pretend to know everything like Bob Villa did.

I think that Bob V was one of the most ARROGANT, obnoxious twerps I have ever seen.

Maybe it's just me, but it seemed like a lot of times when he would try to authoritatively tell Norm how to do something, Norm was gritting his teeth to keep from putting a nailgun on Bob's forehead !

In college we used to do a MST3K thing to TOH where we would comment on the tension between Bob and Norm.

Posted by: scooterboy

Maybe Steve could travel across the country doing John Denver Tribute Concerts...

Posted by: jsmeeker

quote:
Originally posted by randyf
I also agree about the " This old Mansion" comment.. I remember when they did an old Church that they remodeled into a H U G E house !! I think they paid $800,000 for the joint, and the remodel budget was another $850,000 :eek: :eek: :eek:

That's nothing. I think the most recent big project in the Massachustes area (the one that was on some large body of water) cost over $1 Million *just for the resoration*. Hardly and "everyman" type of poject. But it was still fun to watch.

Posted by: Kablemodem

I don't think TOH even tries to teach home restoration projects for the do-it-yourselfer anymore. It is just a show to watch and enjoy and envy the homeowners. I really do need to remodel my music conservatory though. :) AskTOH is much more effective at giving tips that real people can use.

Posted by: panictivo

I just wish all these remodeling shows would show more screw-ups. Watching all these perfect subcontractors perform efficiently and flawlessly gives people the wrong idea about how it actually works and how incredibly long even the simplest changes take.

My experience has been that you have to double check ALL the work of the subcontractors and be very assertive explaining what they did wrong. The subs will give you this "I am the expert here -- it has to work this way" attitude and treat you like child. Eventually, they will wear you down to where it is easier to fix their mistakes yourself than badger them into doing it.

Arguments with subs can make you feel like you are in the Monty Python "Dead Parrot" sketch.

I had an argument like this that seemed to go on for a long long time:

ME: You installed the shower door backwards.
SC: No, I didn't. It has to be installed that way or it would leak.
ME: It leaks the way it is now.
SC: But, it would leak even more if I put it in the other way.
ME: In addition to the leak, it hits the toilet when you open it.
SC: You should have thought of that when you designed the layout.
ME: The door direction was not in the design because I assumed that the new shower door would open the same way as the old door it replaced. There seemed to be only one logical way for it to open.
SC: The old door was installed incorrectly, too. This is an improvement. You will get less leakage than you used to get.
ME: The old shower door never leaked.
SC: You were lucky. It should have leaked. It was installed backwards.
ME: The old shower was 30 years old and everything in that bathroom leaked except the old shower door.
SC: If we reversed the door, it will not open wide enough. You would have to squeeze between the toilet and the open shower door to get in and out. Eventually, you would break the door. I would not want to be responsible for that.
ME: If you reverse the door it will open twice as wide because it is no longer hitting the toilet.
SC: You are wrong there. Let me draw you a diagram showing how difficult it will be to get into and out of the shower.
ME: That diagram does not reflect the how the door actually opens. You have the hinges in the wrong place.
SC: How about if we add a rubber bumper to the toilet so that when the door hits the toilet, there is no damage. That way it solves the leakage problem and address your concerns about the door hitting the toilet.

Eventually, the sub reversed the door. It did leak, but due to a different mistake that the sub made. I ended up fixing that leak myself.

Posted by: Kablemodem

quote:
Originally posted by panictivo

I had an argument like this that seemed to go on for a long long time:

I remember that episode. It's one of my favorites. :up:

Posted by: modnar

What did everyone think of the new host?

I thought he did a pretty good job.

I liked the fact that they visited the Manchester project kind of as a way of pointing out that they're scaling it back some, at least for the current project.

Posted by: cheerdude

There have been a couple of "classic" TOH moments - of course, I only remember bits-and-pieces ... anyone want to fill in what's missing or give some of their own?

* What was the project that they spent over budget (both time and $) ... didn't finish it... and ended up getting sued by the current homeowners? I believe that the homeowners didn't even do anything to help - basically thinking that this was free labor.

* In a "Tim Taylor" moment, Bob taking a sledgehammer to some drywall... breaking through it and smashing a toliet to pieces.

Jeff

Posted by: Robs67

quote:
Originally posted by modnar
What did everyone think of the new host?

I thought he was the worst. I deleted my SP. TOH is not worth it for me anymore.

Posted by: DanB

quote:
Originally posted by Robs67
I though[sic] he was the worst.

Amen to that.

Posted by: betamax

quote:
Originally posted by Frylock
I could not, and to this day still can't, stand Bob Vila. The man is a fraud! He drives me insane! I really question if he knows anything about home improvement beyond what Norm taught him. Norm knows his stuff that's for sure.

You're not the only person he bothers...

http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/News/05/24/showbuzz/#3

Posted by: randyf

Well, Kevin O seems okay so far... DEFINATELY not an arrogant Villa-esqe jerk !

It will take a while for him to get comfortable with the whole show, and process but he may be okay. Too early to tell !

The thing you have to step back and realize is that it is a STAGED show. I mean think about it, every time they come to someone's door and introduce themselves as if it's the first time they have met, they are "acting". Either that or they limit themselves to projects where the homeowners already have a camera crew in their living room taping them answering the door :P

I think that's part of what wears on the nerves of all regular viewers, is the "phonyness" comes through more sometimes.

Overall, I liked Steve okay though. We'll see how Kev does. If he sucks, maybe I'll toss my hat in the ring :D (man would that be fun !)

Posted by: Jon J

The new guy seems nice enough. He's now on both TOH and AskTOH. No mention of Steve Thomas on either intro show...just, Heeeeeeere's Kevin. ;)

Posted by: modnar

I agree with randyf; it will take Kevin some time to get more natural with teh show. However, I thought he seemed pretty good already.

Posted by: JimSpence

I liked the way the others greeted him when he showed up late with the coffee. Of course, that was scripted, but cute anyway. And, it will take him a few episodes to settle into his own groove. Anyone, remember Steve's first show? I don't. Too bad they didn't mention what Steve is doing. Unless, it wasn't a friendly exit.

Posted by: modnar

quote:
Originally posted by JimSpence
I liked the way the others greeted him when he showed up late with the coffee. Of course, that was scripted, but cute anyway. And, it will take him a few episodes to settle into his own groove. Anyone, remember Steve's first show? I don't. Too bad they didn't mention what Steve is doing. Unless, it wasn't a friendly exit.

I actually think I watched it in the last month or two. HGTV is re-airing Steve's first season, the Concord barn project.

Posted by: murgatroyd

Man, what were they smoking when they decided to do that lame-o gag with the coffee for Kevin's first gig on Ask This Old House?

If they wanted to haze the New Guy, why not use the What Is It? segment?

It's early days yet. I'll give Kevin a chance.

TOH is still valuable, both for showing how things should be done, and how things shouldn't be done. I really don't understand what the architects are doing with some of the projects they've done. Some of the design work, like the double shotgun, is nothing short of house butchery. And they seem to get into serious trouble whenever structrual steel is involved.

The thing that has really ruined TOH for me is Queer Eye. Thom Filicia's design sense is way better than anybody TOH has ever brought in to dress a finshed house. Maybe we should get the guys at Scout Productions to do a House show. ;)

Jan

Posted by: bareyb

I watch the "big 6" home improvement shows. This Old House, Ask This Old House, Hometime, Home Again, and Home Savvy. Oh, and for the record Joanne Liebler is with "Home Savvy" not "Home Time". The Gal on Hometime is Robin Hartl, and she's way hotter than Joanne. :D

I liked Steve Thomas. I thought he was kinda cheery. Got a little sick of Bob's new show Home AGain, because I think he spends too much time touring finished houses instead of repairing them. Steve Thomas has already done some Habitat for Humanity shows via This Old House.

I like the new guy, and I saw the one where he and his Wife were instructed how to remove Wallpaper. He seems pretty humble and will be a good replacement for Steve. Although I would have preferred it if Steve had stayed, cuz I like things they way are. ;)

Posted by: LoadStar

quote:
Originally posted by bareyb
I watch the "big 6" home improvement shows. This Old House, Ask This Old House, Hometime, Home Again, and Home Savvy. Oh, and for the record Joanne Liebler is with "Home Savvy" not "Home Time". The Gal on Hometime is Robin Hartl, and she's way hotter than Joanne. :D

Joanne Liebler got her start on Hometime. If I recall correctly, she left the show after several seasons to attempt to be a stand-up comedian. Apparently that didn't last long, because about 6 months to a year after she disappeared from Hometime, she reappeared on Home Savvy.

My memory gets really hazy here, but I think there was another co-host on Hometime that didn't work out -- at all -- before Robin Hartl showed up.

Posted by: randyf

quote:
Originally posted by LoadStar
Joanne Liebler got her start on Hometime. If I recall correctly, she left the show after several seasons to attempt to be a stand-up comedian. Apparently that didn't last long, because about 6 months to a year after she disappeared from Hometime, she reappeared on Home Savvy.

My memory gets really hazy here, but I think there was another co-host on Hometime that didn't work out -- at all -- before Robin Hartl showed up.

I'm fuzzy too, but didn't Joanne, and Dean whatshisface USED to do hometime as a team ?

Posted by: JPriller

quote:
Originally posted by randyf
I'm fuzzy too, but didn't Joanne, and Dean whatshisface USED to do hometime as a team ?

Right, and you can still catch episodes they made together in re-runs.

Hometime started out with Dean and his actual wife, then they went with Joanne, then there was a year with a woman carpenter whose name escapes me (Suzanne Egli, thank you Google), and it's been Robin ever since.

Posted by: bareyb

I can't believe there are three pages of posts on Home Improvement shows. I thought I was fairly alone on liking these... :D

Posted by: IJustLikeTivo

quote:
Originally posted by LoadStar

My memory gets really hazy here, but I think there was another co-host on Hometime that didn't work out -- at all -- before Robin Hartl showed up.

There have been four co-hosts with Dean over the years. The first was a woman whose name I can not recall right now. Very plain had shortish hair.

Them came Joanne Liebler.

After she left Suzanne Eggli (Spelling?) was there for one years (she was awful and could not use a tool to save her life)

Then came Robin Hartl and she's been there for a decade or no now.

Posted by: jayntguru

quote:
Originally posted by cheerdude
* What was the project that they spent over budget (both time and $) ... didn't finish it... and ended up getting sued by the current homeowners? I believe that the homeowners didn't even do anything to help - basically thinking that this was free labor.

Do you know which project this was? I'm just curious. Did some searching and couldn't find the answer.

My wife and I are TOH junkies. We record every instance on every channel, which is at least one show a day, two on weekends. (Excepf for ones we have seen before of course.) It will suck once we get caught up on all of them.

Need more shows to form an opinion on the new host. I liked Steve better than Bob though.

Posted by: JPriller

I just finished watching the first new New This Old House Hour/Ask This Old House episode, and I thought the new guy did okay. He's a little unseasoned right now but I think he'll grow into it.

WAY better than Bob Villa. I had though I just didn't like Bob, but watching some of the This Old House Classics episodes I discovered that I can not stand him.

Posted by: murgatroyd

My ARWL for "This Old House" has turned up something called "Inside This Old House" running on A&E. From the guide data, it seems like a behind-the-scenes show, but the houses in the Guide Data are from a while ago (one has the UK project).

Jan

Posted by: JimSpence

Kevin is working into the show quite nicely. They are using his lack of knowledge to play off the others, Norm, Tom, Rich, etc.

Posted by: bicker

It is getting a little old, though. And he really isn't improving much as an interviewer.

Posted by: JPriller

He's not perfect, but so far I like him slightly better than Steve. Hard to say exactly why, maybe it's because he comes off as more earnest and interested in what's going on. I don't mind his lack of knowledge, so long as it's genuine and they don't try to keep it up season after season as a gimmick.

Posted by: randyf

Kevin probably knows as much about home improvement as Bob Vila does, but the difference is that he doesn't PRETEND to be an expert !

It absoloutely blows my mind that Vila EVER became popular. .. Maybe he was less arrogant in his earlier days ?? (I doubt it. )

I did like Steve okay, and I'll miss him.

Posted by: bareyb

quote:
Originally posted by randyf
Kevin probably knows as much about home improvement as Bob Vila does, but the difference is that he doesn't PRETEND to be an expert !

To give the devil his due... I don't think it's fair to imply that Bob Vila doesn't know anything about home improvement. Bob Vila was a licensed contractor and was building houses long before he became a TV personality. He is considered one of the foremost authorities on authentic period restoration.Why wouldn't he be? He's done enough of them and the man has obviously done his homework. He's also been at it for what, 30 years or so?

You may not like him, but he DOES know what he's talking about. I'd be willing to bet he's made as much of his money in Real Estate as he's made hawking Craftsman and hosting TOH and the like. I think he's too smarmy, but I also admire the man for what he's been able to do with his life. Talk about parlaying a simple contractors license into an empire. Pretty hard not to admire that, even if he does tend to admire himself a bit too much for most folks taste. What's that saying? It's hard to be humble when you are as great as I am? :D

Posted by: Frylock

After watching quite a few episodes with Kevin, I like him hands-down over Steve. Steve belongs more on Queer Eye than TOH, IMHO. kevin is more of a simple guy with an interesting in home improvement projects, just like Norm and Tom. Steve seemed out of place on the jobsite, and more in place touring historical homes and discussing them. Personally I wish they would cut that stuff out!

Touring the Concord museum: drop it! I don't want that on a CONSTRUCTION show. Do it in it's own show, that's fine.
Touring the glass factory: Good! They need to go back to doing more things like this. Seeing how glass is made ties in nicely with them installing the windows.

As for good interviews or bad, what REAL interviewing is he doing? It's a home improvement show after all.

Posted by: sbourgeo

quote:
Originally posted by bareyb
To give the devil his due... I don't think it's fair to imply that Bob Vila doesn't know anything about home improvement. Bob Vila was a licensed contractor and was building houses long before he became a TV personality.

I'm not sure about that. A few years ago, I remember seeing a story about Bob Vila on one of the late nite investigative shows (20/20, 60 minutes, etc) that questioned his credibility as a home improvement expert when he was being sued by someone that had purchased a Californina home from him.

I vividly remember seeing Vila testifying during the trial and stating under oath that he was not, and had never been a licensed contractor in California. I believe that the investigators had found that he was never a licensed contractor in any state, but I am not 100% sure about that.

Considering that Vila was a drop out architecture student in Boston when he started This Old House, he has certainly done well for himself...

Steve

Posted by: bareyb

quote:
Originally posted by sbourgeo

I vividly remember seeing Vila testifying during the trial and stating under oath that he was not, and had never been a licensed contractor in California. I believe that the investigators had found that he was never a licensed contractor in any state, but I am not 100% sure about that.

Considering that Vila was a drop out architecture student in Boston when he started This Old House, he has certainly done well for himself...

Steve

I cannot find anything on the web regarding Vila ever being in court for anything other than kicking the back of somebody's seat on an airplane.The only info I've seen is that both he and Norm we licensed contractors before TOH series began. Do you have a link?

Posted by: IJustLikeTivo

Bob Vila is an expert on historic architecture and houses but bear in mind, that being a general contractor is more like being a project manager than actually doing the work. Often you are a trademan before becoming a general contractor but not always. In Bob's case, it is pretty clear that he is not any kind of expert on either plumbing or carpentry based on watching him try them on any of his shows.

It is clear that he has a pretty high opinion of himself. One reason Norm and Tommy are still there is because they appreciate the fact that they are paid to do a job, not to talk about doing it. Bob never did figure that out.

Posted by: sbourgeo

quote:
Originally posted by bareyb
I cannot find anything on the web regarding Vila ever being in court for anything other than kicking the back of somebody's seat on an airplane.The only info I've seen is that both he and Norm we licensed contractors before TOH series began. Do you have a link?

That is strange, all I can find is unsubstantiated talk in google groups about an episode of 48 Hours for a "Smart House" Vila did in Malibu. For some reason, cbs.com doesn't have anything about this. The weird part is that the google conversations say the guy who sued Vila is the actor that played Mindy's dad on Mork and Mindy. I'm sure I would have remembered that. :)

It must have been this 48 hours show that I remember seeing, but I don't understand why there isn't any additional info on it. :confused:

Steve

Posted by: IJustLikeTivo

I remember that. It was Conrad Bain, but I don't recall the details. I do remember that the house did not work and Conrad sued to get it fixed.

Posted by: scooterboy

Conrad Janis played Mindy's dad.