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BB4 Spoilers For Sat 08/23/03
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Posted by: pmyers

So how dumb are Jack and Erika for not taking the Power of Veto (POV)? Frankly, neither one of them deserve to win at this point. I now believe that Jack isn't nearly as smart as they want us to believe.

Posted by: Skittles

Saturday's show felt like a filler episode. With the exception of the "big twist" (which was a waste of time, IMO), there wasn't any meat to this. And did I miss something important about Jack's fixation on the Kennedy Assasination?

Posted by: pmyers

yeah..that Kennedy thing was very strange. They must be desperate for footage of Jack to get us to like him before he gets the boot.

BTW...I love when they focus on people's quirks in the house. Like what they did with Robert and his ticks and that guy last season who talked in his sleep. That is good stuff!

Posted by: Swirl_Junkie

They are complete morons for not taking the POV. I would have taken it at four weeks of PB&J if I was either of them. I guess they don't really want to win.

Posted by: debtoine

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
yeah..that Kennedy thing was very strange. They must be desperate for footage of Jack to get us to like him before he gets the boot.

BTW...I love when they focus on people's quirks in the house. Like what they did with Robert and his ticks and that guy last season who talked in his sleep. That is good stuff!

On the live feeds, they're always talking about how they have nothing (or not much) to talk about in the house. They don't get tv or newspapers, so they don't know anything about the current events that are happening in the world.

Justin always asked Jack to tell him about JFK, so he would. He also wrote a book on the JFK assassination, and someone asked him about it again last week and he talked for a long time on the subject. Jack mostly talks about bureau stuff, so that's probably all we'll ever see on the tv broadcast.

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Posted by: TampaThunder

I don't have a problem with Jack going on and on about the Kennedy assassination. What I do have a problem with is that they made my favorite player look like a crackpot. Lone gunman? Who's he kidding! Say it ain't so, Jack!

Posted by: TivoDaddy

Well, I can see why they wouldn't take it for 4 or 2 weeks of PB&J. There were five members in the house who would be very pissed off at them and probably not vote for them to win the prize. But Erika and Jack were dumb for not taking it for one week. Hey, you're on the chopping block, take it! You'll be safe for another week and could win the HOH. Oh brother. :rolleyes:

Now there is nobody for me to root for after Jack is gone. It's going to be a very boring 5 weeks.

Posted by: pmyers

yes....the 1 week was a no brainer

Posted by: Skittles

(This post presumes that Jee will end up nominating Jack and Erika. I haven't read the spoilers on the nominations)

You know, I think Erika and Jack didn't take the one week offer because they might have been under the misguided impression that Jee was on their side. From the way things have been edited lately, and the conversations in the HoH room that they showed on Saturday, I can see why they would think that. They were hoping that Jee would nominate Alison and Jun.

Still, it was downright foolish from a strategic viewpoint for Jack and Erika not to take the 1 week offer. In the event that Jee ends up nominating them both, either of them could have removed themself from the chopping block. The only options Jee would have for nomination at that point would be his "allies" (i.e. - Alison), and vote between her and Jack (or Erika) would have *really* shaken things up.

I give props to Jee, though. If he went into the PoV decision knowing he was going to end up nominating Erika or Jack, he's smart to take the veto and lock in his nominations to ensure that either of them goes and therefore dooms the Original Eight.

Posted by: pmyers

But even on the show Saturday night they showed both Robert and Jee telling Jack/Erika that they were the next to be nominated for eviction....this was even before the POV competition, so I would have to think that Jack/Erika new what their fates were.

Posted by: Skittles

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
But even on the show Saturday night they showed both Robert and Jee telling Jack/Erika that they were the next to be nominated for eviction.

Huh, I don't recall that. I just remember him calling in Jack and Erika and asking for their opinions on who to vote out.

If that's true, then my already low impression of Jack and Erika's "strategy" has receded to sub-Alison levels.

Posted by: pmyers

quote:
Originally posted by SkittlesDFW
Huh, I don't recall that. I just remember him calling in Jack and Erika and asking for their opinions on who to vote out.

If that's true, then my already low impression of Jack and Erika's "strategy" has receded to sub-Alison levels.

I specifically remember Erika asking Robert the question and Robert saying that yes, Jee was putting up her and Jack. I also remember Jee telling Erika the same thing when she went into the HoH room to talk to him. So at the very least Erika new and I would have to assume she would have told Jack, but then again maybe she didn't tell him.

Posted by: Swirl_Junkie

I understand that the others would have been mad had you taken two or three weeks, but at least you would have been there for them to be mad at.
I think it is utterly ridiculous they didn't take it at least one week. The editing must be really changing what the real situation in the house is. Jack and Erika must have been sure they were safe.

Posted by: pmyers

I think your right Swirl....or Jack/Erika are really that dumb.

Posted by: LooseWiring

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
....or Jack/Erika are really that dumb.

Jack/Erica really are that dumb. Jack is given WAY too much respect.

I would be willing to bet that he is to the FBI what a meter-maid is to the local police department. Recruiters are usually those who are not suited for leadership or actual field work.

Of course, the rest of the houseguests don't have alot going for them either. Except Alison, she seems to be one of the few who actually knows how to play the game.

Posted by: DanT

I also wonder what part of that Veto competition we weren't shown. What would have happened if two or more people had accepted the offer? Maybe Jack/Erika thought that if they accepted it, they might not get it anyway. Not much of an excuse, but just something I've been wondering about.

Posted by: cello

I was wondering the same thing. My best (vague) guess is that they would let the group know that more than one person chose it, and give them all the chance to go into the room again to change their mind, with incentives for them to decide not to take it.

Posted by: Maui

I hnestly believe that Jack and Erica are not "that dunb" but I feel they are both misguided into thinking that they are the safe one this week.

One of the two is probably going, and if both thought it was going to be the other one leaving then why rick the ire of everyone else.

Especially when you think that when Erica is gone that alliance is non-existant and the next targets should be Robert and Jee or Allison and Jun. Why go after the 1 remaining original alliance member when there are 2 groups of 2 to contend with. So, if both Jack and Erica thought they were safe they probably thought they were safe for a couple of weeks at least.

Posted by: John Kador

quote:
Originally posted by Swirl_Junkie
I understand that the others would have been mad had you taken two or three weeks, but at least you would have been there for them to be mad at.
I think it is utterly ridiculous they didn't take it at least one week. The editing must be really changing what the real situation in the house is. Jack and Erika must have been sure they were safe.

No, it's just that they REALLY don't like the PBJ diet. Erika is by far the worst. Apparently from what others have said, she eats almost nothing as it is when the DO have food, so on PBJ days she's just miserable, and makes the rest of the house miserable as well. Robert is even more of a whiner when on PBJ. They also all said several times that it may make them safe for one week, but they'd be an even bigger target after that week was up,

I think they also were all a bit disappointed in the offer, they were expecting a cash offer for PBJ like was done in BB2.

Posted by: KRS

I thought it was dumb for Jee to take the deal at one week. Obviously the punishment of eating PB&J feels pretty severe for the houseguests, so whoever caused everyone else to go on that diet would be hated for at least that long.

Jee didn't need to take the deal:
If Jack or Erika won it and took themselves off, he could have put up Alison.
If Robert got it, he wouldn't have used it.
Jun is a bit of an unknown quantity, but again, had she saved someone, he could have put Allie up.
The only person he wouldn't have an easy replacement for would be if Allie got it and used it. Then Jee would be forced to put up Jun, destroying his secret alliance. But regardless, he would still have his Dream Team of two intact, and one of the other alliances of two would be eliminated.

As it is he pissed off everyone in the house to some extent, and that won't help him when/if he makes it to the final two.

It was funny watching Robert freak out though!

Posted by: pmyers

quote:
Originally posted by KRS
I thought it was dumb for Jee to take the deal at one week. Obviously the punishment of eating PB&J feels pretty severe for the houseguests, so whoever caused everyone else to go on that diet would be hated for at least that long.

Jee didn't need to take the deal:
If Jack or Erika won it and took themselves off, he could have put up Alison.
If Robert got it, he wouldn't have used it.
Jun is a bit of an unknown quantity, but again, had she saved someone, he could have put Allie up.
The only person he wouldn't have an easy replacement for would be if Allie got it and used it. Then Jee would be forced to put up Jun, destroying his secret alliance. But regardless, he would still have his Dream Team of two intact, and one of the other alliances of two would be eliminated.

As it is he pissed off everyone in the house to some extent, and that won't help him when/if he makes it to the final two.

It was funny watching Robert freak out though!

I figure that Jee accepted it for 1 week because he had to think that Jack or Erika would have had to accept it for at least 1 week...they would be stupid not to. Oh that's right....they are stupid ;)

Posted by: TivoDaddy

Am I mistaken, or did not Skeletor say not to discuss the results with the other houseguests? I wonder if Jee will be punished for revealing that he was the one that took the POV?

Posted by: pmyers

quote:
Originally posted by TivoDaddy
Am I mistaken, or did not Skeletor say not to discuss the results with the other houseguests? I wonder if Jee will be punished for revealing that he was the one that took the POV?

I believe that was just during the competition. They said they were going to reveal it anyways. For them to assume they wouldn't talk about it would be silly.

Posted by: TivoDaddy

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
I believe that was just during the competition. They said they were going to reveal it anyways. For them to assume they wouldn't talk about it would be silly.

No, not really. Why not make Jee think that one of the others, especially Jack or Erika, took the bait for the POV? Jee would know that either he or one of the others would need to compete further for the POV, but it probably wouldn't have happened until after eviction nominations. I'm sure this is what the producers had in mind when they thought of this "twist".

Posted by: pmyers

oh I agree with what you think they were trying to do, I just think it's silly that they wouldn't think they would talk to each other about it. If they wanted to do what you say, they shouldn't have revealed any of the results until right before the nominations. They could have just said "somebody has accepted a deal" or not even said anything at all.

Posted by: TivoDaddy

It all goes back to what you said earlier....

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers I figure that Jee accepted it for 1 week because he had to think that Jack or Erika would have had to accept it for at least 1 week...they would be stupid not to. Oh that's right....they are stupid ;)

Posted by: spud

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
oh I agree with what you think they were trying to do, I just think it's silly that they wouldn't think they would talk to each other about it. If they wanted to do what you say, they shouldn't have revealed any of the results until right before the nominations. They could have just said "somebody has accepted a deal" or not even said anything at all.

I thought Julie said something like "One or more houseguests have accepted the deal. I will reveal the winner of POV later. Until that time do not discuss the competition with anyone else." Maybe I'm remembering wrong though.

Posted by: DanT

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
oh I agree with what you think they were trying to do, I just think it's silly that they wouldn't think they would talk to each other about it. If they wanted to do what you say, they shouldn't have revealed any of the results until right before the nominations. They could have just said "somebody has accepted a deal" or not even said anything at all.

That's pretty much what Julie said. She didn't say anything about it being for 1 week. Erika brought up 1 week, and everyone latched onto that. But Julie never actually revealed how long they'd be on PBJ.

Personally, I hope they let Jee make his nominations, and then tell him that it's all for naught because he violated the rules by discussing his acceptance before Julie revealed it. Then either have no one booted this week, or have another veto competition, and just for fun, Jee can't compete since he broke the rules on the last one. :)

Posted by: bobsbizzy

quote:
Originally posted by DanT
That's pretty much what Julie said. She didn't say anything about it being for 1 week. Erika brought up 1 week, and everyone latched onto that. But Julie never actually revealed how long they'd be on PBJ.

Personally, I hope they let Jee make his nominations, and then tell him that it's all for naught because he violated the rules by discussing his acceptance before Julie revealed it. Then either have no one booted this week, or have another veto competition, and just for fun, Jee can't compete since he broke the rules on the last one. :)

Now that would be a twist...:D

Posted by: pmyers

I'm almost positive that Julie mentioned the 1 week right off the bat.

Posted by: KRS

By that logic though (that Jee wrongly discussed the competition), then everyone should be punished since they all talked about it.

And seeing how BB4 got extended by 2 episodes recently, I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow used this to make it so nobody got evicted this week.

On a side note, is the seclusion house really in Mexico? I thought it was just another house on the CBS lot.

Posted by: Skittles

quote:
Originally posted by KRS
On a side note, is the seclusion house really in Mexico? I thought it was just another house on the CBS lot.

It wouldn't surprise me. In Big Brother 3, the first 4 HouseGuests were sequestered in Mexico (albeit at different resorts) prior to the "Let's bring back an evicted Houseguest" game.

Since they've got a beach view, it's at least somewhere on the coast. :)