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CSI (The first one)
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Posted by: MsFB

Hi.

Good to have the show back. I am so confused by tonite's episode because of an article I read in EW magazine. I dont believe there are any spoilers, hence no warning.

''We have the biggest surprise in the franchise's history by the end of the premiere,'' says creator Anthony Zuiker, who provides only one hint: ''Pay particular attention to the last frame.'' Among other mysteries, Grissom (William Petersen) and Willows (Marg Helgenberger) will retrace a murder victim's trail on a Vegas scavenger hunt, assist a small-town Nevada sheriff gathering evidence in a fishy death, and track a serial killer who turns his incapacitated victims into ''aware vegetables'' (Zuiker's words). ''Our theme this year is 'Assume nothing,''' says Zuiker. ''There's a surprise around every corner.''

What happened int he last frame?!?! I had forwarded it frame by frame and saw "to be continued" only.

Can anyone shed some light on this-(besides' Brass's flashlight?

Thanks!!!
jen

Posted by: retrodog

After I saw TBC, I was too pissed to pay attention to any thing else. Any show that would do a TBC on a season premier needs to have their a$$ properly removed. (or some Clint Eastwood line like that)

Oh, hey, welcome aboard. :)

Posted by: cello

oh I much prefer a TBC like this than a summer-cliffhanger! Better to spread a big story across two episodes than try to squeeze it into one.

Posted by: vertigo235

I didn't see any surprises, but what's with Grissom being on this badass kick?

Also I'm glad the hearing thing is gone, that was an annoying sub-plot.

Posted by: Grappik

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Does anyone else think that the original "good" couple from the opening scene are actually the serial killers? And, that since they shared a pretty good resemblance to the now dead "bad" couple, that the witnesses just got confused? Hell, I was confused as to who was who for a little while.

Also, (Don't ask why...) I was going through the scene where they are reviewing the elevator security camera tape, and noticed that a THIRD couple was on the elevator at two different times, once at the 10pm hour, and again at the 1am hour (according to the clock in the upper corner of the monitor). I am still not sure if they just messed up in creating this video segment for the show, or, if this new couple was on the elevator twice. The actions of this couple are "almost" the same at both times, however, the movements seem kind of different.

Anyway, just some thoughts.

-Grappik

Posted by: GoodN

When will I learn not to delete a show until after I've been on the forum! I think it was brilliant to let us think Warrick and Catherine were about to have a moment in the locker room. And I was ready to see Grisom and Katherine share 15 minutes on the vibrating bed!

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

I think the shock in the final frame WAS the TBC, which has never happened before on this show, and which certainly surprised the hell out of me (although I was starting to wonder how they were going to resolve it in the time they had left).

Posted by: MsFB

Grappik- interesting thoughts. So glad I didnt delete the show!! :)

thanks everybody!!

Posted by: DancnDude

Maybe he meant at the end of the 2nd half of the premiere since they might really consider them together one episode. I could even have seen them doing a 2-hour season premiere and then having CBS decide at the last minute to break it up into 2.

Posted by: JerryLBell

Maybe the biggest shock in the serie's history was Grissom's new beard. I know it knocked me for a loop. I spent the entire hour wondering if he had grown it while recuperating from ear surgery or subsequently, whether or not any other character would comment on it, if he used Grecian Formula #5 on it, etc. I was so wrapped up in the whole beard issue that I forgot to pay attention to the story. What was it about? Was a crime committed and did the CSI team have to look for evidence to solve it?

Posted by: cello

quote:
Originally posted by DancnDude
I could even have seen them doing a 2-hour season premiere and then having CBS decide at the last minute to break it up into 2.

Oh, that would have rocked! Maybe they were scared of losing audience to ER?

Posted by: Leetah

quote:
Originally posted by vertigo235
Also I'm glad the hearing thing is gone, that was an annoying sub-plot.

I'm not. It always bugs me when stuff like this is magically resolved. In real life, his hearing wouldn't be 100% perfect. The sub-plot got a little unwieldy towards the end of last season, but surgery is not a magical cure. (I know, I know, it's a TV show, suspension of disbelief, etc, etc).

Leetah

Posted by: Titleist

My manual recording had to stop 5 minutes early (or is there a setting I'm missing? Anyway, I missed everything from when they:

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Found the female DNA matching the suspect in the ear

I wasn't even aware of the TBC, I just figured they wrapped it up pretty quick.

All these new shows Las Vegas, CSI, NCIS, I'm not even sure who the main characters are yet so I am severly bugging my wife every 2 minutes saying "who is that, have they been on yet" followed by "Is that a good guy or bad?"

Posted by: FLbadgirl

They did they same TBC crap on West Wing (basically). They hype the show up about the President's missing daughter and then leave the cliffhanger for next week.

Posted by: tanstaafl

You know, it is amazing to me how much better this show is than CSI: Miami. They aren't even close.

quote:
Originally posted by Titleist
My manual recording had to stop 5 minutes early (or is there a setting I'm missing? Anyway, I missed everything from when they:

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Found the female DNA matching the suspect in the ear

I wasn't even aware of the TBC, I just figured they wrapped it up pretty quick.

Well, what you missed...

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Apparently the DNA evidence is enough for them to get a search warrant. Grissom, Brass and two other police show up at the house. They find the door open and go inside and discover that both of the couple have been killed; looks like they were shot. One of them makes a comment that someone got there before them, Brass shines his flashlight into the camera and the "To Be Continued" appears.

Grappik - Good thought! I had thought that

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
there was another couple involved; the second murders looked different because they were done by a different set of people

but it hadn't occured to me that

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
it could have been the other couple.

It makes sense though.

I also thought that they wrapped up the loss of hearing plotline a little too quickly, especially given how big a deal they made of it last season. No mention of the Sara-Grissom situation either.

Notice that Catherine has apparently compromised a case again and that they are obviously they are setting up something for future episodes with her "father". Maybe she's going to have all the subplots this season.

Posted by: sean67854

So is...

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Nick responsible in any of this? The way they never really addressed the situation between him and Grissom leads me to believe there's more with him coming. He's not leaving the show, is he?

Posted by: doom1701

I don't know if Grissom's hearing was really resolved. Remember, he never had "permanent" hearing loss before. Yeah, it was getting worse, but his hearing would apparently come and go on him. Just because he can hear something at one point doesn't mean his hearing is 100% all the time.

And JerryLBell, I agree on the beard. I kept seeing that thinking "Someone should tell him to wipe his face..."

Posted by: MsFB

quote:
Originally posted by JerryLBell
Maybe the biggest shock in the serie's history was Grissom's new beard. I know it knocked me for a loop. I spent the entire hour wondering if he had grown it while recuperating from ear surgery or subsequently, whether or not any other character would comment on it, if he used Grecian Formula #5 on it, etc. I was so wrapped up in the whole beard issue that I forgot to pay attention to the story. What was it about? Was a crime committed and did the CSI team have to look for evidence to solve it?

LOL! I read this when I was at work and had to stifle the laugh.

CSI is leaps and bounds above CSI Miami. I stopped TiVo'ing half-way thru the season. I think it's Horatio Cane that turns me off the most- that and the fact that the team doesnt seem to gel together the way the CSI team does.

Posted by: DancnDude

quote:
Originally posted by doom1701
I don't know if Grissom's hearing was really resolved. Remember, he never had "permanent" hearing loss before. Yeah, it was getting worse, but his hearing would apparently come and go on him. Just because he can hear something at one point doesn't mean his hearing is 100% all the time.

True, but he did have the ear surgery on the finale of last season. They now say that his hearing is just fine, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that later down the road the surgery didn't go 100% successfully and he starts losing his hearing again. But at least for the first episode everything seemed to be wrapped up neatly with that subplot.

Posted by: jwjody

I liked the beard. Grissom (Can't remeber his real name) was in some B horror movie set on the water that I saw on Sci-fi a couple of months ago. He had a beard in it and I thought he looks better with a beard.

I'm glad the hearing this is wrapped up, maybe they wrapped it up quickly because it really wasn't going anywhere.

J

Posted by: cello

aah, that clears things up. I missed the last ep. of last season (#$!#@ Comcast!), and if they reran it during the summer I wasn't able to find it.

He looks even dreamier with a beard. :)

Posted by: Frylock

People like the beard? Personally I was disturbed by it.

Some people can wear a beard, and some can't. IMHO Grissom can't, at least for his character.

I too saw the movie he was in with it, and while it looked better there, better matching his character, I prefer him without one.

Posted by: kyote

I don't know, it seemed like a couple of times there he had "super human hearing" powers or something. The way Catherine there once said something and he commented and she was like "you could hear that????". Grissom is now "super agent CSI guy!" Maybe, I just thought it was funny. Twice in the show they commented about how good is hearing was. Once with Catherine and once they demonstrated it when warrick wass telling "whats-his-name" about how he'd better fess up his screw up.

jas

quote:
Originally posted by DancnDude
True, but he did have the ear surgery on the finale of last season. They now say that his hearing is just fine, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that later down the road the surgery didn't go 100% successfully and he starts losing his hearing again. But at least for the first episode everything seemed to be wrapped up neatly with that subplot.

Posted by: kyote

I think it makes him look like a bad-a@@. sorta "I'm back and badder then ever. I'm so bad I'm cool. I'm super CSI guy!"

jas

quote:
Originally posted by Frylock
People like the beard? Personally I was disturbed by it.

Some people can wear a beard, and some can't. IMHO Grissom can't, at least for his character.

I too saw the movie he was in with it, and while it looked better there, better matching his character, I prefer him without one.

Posted by: tanstaafl

Well, since this week's was the second part of a two parter I'll ressurect the old thread instead of starting a new one.

Untagged spoilers ahead.

First, despite being the second part of a two parter, this episode really didn't have that much to do with the previous one (except for the obvious fact that last week's suspects are this week's victims). The problem I have with this is that we never find out exactly why the couple was killing the other couples (or exactly what they were doing to get the husbands to kill their wives). It just felt as if the whole thing was left unresolved.

Second, why are they trying so hard to insert conflict between the CSIs (well, Grissom anyway) and the regular police? To me, CSI has always been more about how they solve the case than about the characters so introducing this conflict (which is also somewhat unresolved at the end of the episode, implying that it is going to continue to surface in the future) just seems to be taking away from the core of the show.

And, did we really need the "bloated floater"?

A couple of other points. Apparently they are dropping the possible Sara/Grissom romance subplot. Sara's "not Grissom!" comment when Catherine joked about all of them getting a house together certainly implies that she has lost interest and Grissom never seemed to have any in the first place so that seems to be over.

When did all of the CSIs start carrying guns? I remember them showing up once or twice before but here everyone was prominantly carrying them and Brass even got onto Grissom for not having one. Now, I thought it had been established that the CSIs were not police officers; just civilian employees. (As opposed to the CSIs in CSI: Miami where they are supposed to be police officers as well.) Did something change when I wasn't looking? (Or, is this something that varies depending on the requirements of the plot?)

Why send Greg out to look for the soda bottle? Nothing in the lab for him to do?

It does look like they are setting up for several running arcs this season; Grissom's conflict with the police officer and Sara's "father" being released last episode. Both look like they will be back later.

Finally, has anyone figured out what the big "shocker" at the end of the episode was supposed to be? That Grissom is a good shot?

Oh well, it's still miles ahead of Miami. What did the rest of you think?

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

The Big Shock was at the end of last week -- "To Be Continued", which had never happened before.

Which is a Big Shock, I suppose, if you're the kind of TV geek who lives, breathes, and sleeps CSI, but I suspect the announcement of the Big Shock was the result of a severe lack of perspective...

Posted by: Demandred

I had pretty much the same issues with the episodes, especially the disconnects from last week. It did feel very unresolved.

And no I did NOT need the bloated floater. I was eating cheese and crackers at the time. I stopped. :)

Posted by: Jonathan_S

quote:
Why send Greg out to look for the soda bottle? Nothing in the lab for him to do?

Probably because Greg had been bugging them (last season) for more field work. :)

A long annoying search through a couple of blocks worth of garbage, bushes, etc for a soda bottle with a missing bottom; that likely isn't there anyway. Sounds like a job for the wannabe...

Posted by: wedgecon

quote:
Originally posted by tanstaafl

A couple of other points. Apparently they are dropping the possible Sara/Grissom romance subplot. Sara's "not Grissom!" comment when Catherine joked about all of them getting a house together certainly implies that she has lost interest and Grissom never seemed to have any in the first place so that seems to be over.

I think she might just be trying to hide her feelings for Grissom from the others. I think she still has the hots for him. To me she seemed really quick with her dismissive reply.

Posted by: vertigo235

Yeah, when I said I'm glad his hearing was fixed, I didn't say I wanted him to have the "super hearing" that he apparently has now. I just got sick of them using his hearing loss as a plot device.

Posted by: PKurmas

I'm willing to bet that the "big surprise" was Grissom at the shooting range, or even more specifically, the last frame of the target. When I saw that my first thought was "you aren't that good of a shot by accident" and "what else don't we know about Grissom?"

I'm willing to bet whatever conflict comes as the season goes on will somehow involve armed CSI...

Posted by: cello

super hearing? I think that most people with normal hearing would be able to hear a cell ringing on the ground a few yards away.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by cello
super hearing? I think that most people with normal hearing would be able to hear a cell ringing on the ground a few yards away.

I guess it depends on how loud the vibrator is...

Posted by: cello

:confused:

Unless I also have super hearing, the phone on last night's episode was ringing, not vibrating.

Posted by: JustAce

You guys are getting your events mixed up...

Posted by: r_salis

quote:
Originally posted by JerryLBell
Maybe the biggest shock in the serie's history was Grissom's new beard.

Does anyone else see the parallels to Capt. Riker's beardedness on ST:TNG? As soon as he started putting on weight, the beard appeared -- and (unfortunately) it looks like Grissom's put on some weight since last season, too. :)

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

At the beginning of the first episode, Grissom heard a cell phone vibrating in a (jacket pocket?) across the room.

Posted by: LooseWiring

Okay, speaking of CSI and cell phones, does anyone know what make/model Grissom's phone was this time around?

I know I am a lemming for the marketing whores but that was a sweet looking phone with the swiveling faceplate.

Posted by: dlovearl

quote:
Originally posted by LooseWiring
Okay, speaking of CSI and cell phones, does anyone know what make/model Grissom's phone was this time around?

Motorola V70?

Posted by: LooseWiring

That looks like it, thanks.

Posted by: jwjody

I don't remember what season it was, but there was one ep where Grissom was carrying a gun. And he pulled it out on a suspect.

Some woman was murdered and they thought it was the husband (the woman murdered was the renting a room from husband and wife) so they arrested him and everyone left the house except Nick, and while he was in there he realized the wife was the killer. The woman drew a gun on Nick, then Grissom walked back in with gun drawn on the woman.

J

Posted by: Titleist

Again I missed the last 5 minutes (Damn no series 2 workaround). Would somebody please fill me in?

Posted by: tanstaafl

quote:
Originally posted by Titleist
Again I missed the last 5 minutes (Damn no series 2 workaround). Would somebody please fill me in?

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
The girl and her father show up at the police station. Turns out the father never got a good look at the intruders which is why he didn't want to talk to Grissom; it wasn't that he didn't want to tell them, he couldn't tell them.

Grissom and the father have a talk and the father is upset because he couldn't keep his family safe.

They bring in the other suspect and put him in a lineup. The girl tries to identify him but panics and freezes up when she sees him and can't do anything. Since she didn't positively identify him they have to let him go.

Later, Brass tells Grissom to get his kit and come with him. They go to the same house where the daughter has been shot and killed in the driveway. End of episode.

Posted by: Titleist

Holy Cow! There is a lot that always happens in the last couple of minutes. Thanks for the reply!!

Posted by: murgatroyd

quote:
Originally posted by Demandred
And no I did NOT need the bloated floater. I was eating cheese and crackers at the time. I stopped. :)

I made a house rule in first season: Do Not Watch CSI while eating dinner.

Jan