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Anyone interested in Joan of Arcadia?

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Posted by: Big_Daddy

So I'm actually somewhat interested in this show. It sounds interesting without (hopefully) being preachy, I also hope it isn't a sappy Seventh Heaven type of crap. It's gotten good reviews in the media so far. Guess we'll have to see.



Posted by: cello

From the previews, it doesn't seem to be in the same sappy preachy genre as 7th Heaven. I have a SP set up, and am looking forward to it.



Posted by: jradosh

If I don't get religion from a church (which I do not), I certainly won't get it from my TV. :rolleyes:

Nope, not interested.



Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

It looks potentially interesting, as long as it doesn't go all Touched By An Angel on us...

It's a tricky concept to handle well, but I'll give it a chance.



Posted by: cello

From the previews it doesn't seem to be a show about religion, but a show about a person who is confronted with thinking about religion. To me, those are very different things.

But I guess I won't know for sure until after I actually see it. :)



Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by cello
From the previews it doesn't seem to be a show about religion, but a show about a person who is confronted with thinking about religion. To me, those are very different things.

But I guess I won't know for sure until after I actually see it. :)



Got my SP ready and waiting...



Posted by: LooseWiring

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
It looks potentially interesting, as long as it doesn't go all Touched By An Angel on us...

It's a tricky concept to handle well, but I'll give it a chance.



I agree. The second I feel that the show gets all preachy I am canceling the SP.



Posted by: hookbill

This show does capture my interest for some unknown reason. I'm hardly the religious type. The problem is: Where do I get the time to watch? I got so many things going this year on TiVo I can barely keep up.

Maybe I'll do a SP on the downstairs TiVo and watch some episodes in December. That is, if it's still around. Friday is generally not known for the Networks best shows.



Posted by: ronbo

I really like the lead actress (Amber Tamblyn?). She rocked in the begininng of The Ring!



Posted by: Redstixxx

Would it be that bad to be exposed to religion? It's not going to kill you.



Posted by: hookbill

quote:
Originally posted by Redstixxx
Would it be that bad to be exposed to religion? It's not going to kill you.


That's all whole different topic but let me just say this. Religion has been the cause of more wars then anything else in history.

Having said that, if we didn't have religion I'm sure man would come up with some other reason to kill each other.



Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

I am a diehard athiest, and have been since I was old enough to think for myself. But I have also had a lifelong fascination with religion as a sociological and philosophical issue, and if done well, this show could be very interesting in that regard.

I think it's actually GOOD to be exposed to religion, or at least, religious ideas; it helps those of us who are not into that sort of thing better understand those of you who are.



Posted by: Big_Daddy

quote:
Originally posted by Redstixxx
Would it be that bad to be exposed to religion? It's not going to kill you.


It's not bad to be exposed, but people have dramatically different ideas on what religious beliefs are (or should be). And no one likes being told what to believe or what they believe is wrong - when was the last time you ever heard of an argument about religious beliefs ending when one side said, "Oh, I guess you're right and I was wrong"?

That being said, if they can have a show where the main character is coping with big questions usually reserved for religion (why are we here, where are we going, how can there be a benevolent god when bad things happen) without treading into the mindfield of right/wrong, this could be interesting. This could be a potentially difficult line to balance, with many potential pitfalls. It would be easy to create either sappy, sentimental, "feel-good" plots or preachy, "this is how you should live your life" plots. Or plots where wicked people learn the error of their ways - I've already seen the Christmas Carol, thank you.

But if they actually have more compelling plots with grayer shades of "right" with conflict and development of characters (including the recurring character of god), it could be interesting. You'd think that God (the character in a TV show, not any absolute truth) would have to be a fairly complex character, right?

Guess we'll find out shortly.



Posted by: jwjody

I haven't seen any previews for it, but someone from work was talking about it. So I set up a recording for the pilot to check it out.

J



Posted by: philw1776

Believe me, with a Hollywood show the non-religious viewers are in no danger of being exposed to anything resembling religion as defined by American churchgoers. Instead, I predict we'll see somewhat leftist propaganda distilled and spewed as feel good new age 'insight' masking as religion.
I could be wrong.

-p (not religious)



Posted by: MsFB

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
I am a diehard athiest, and have been since I was old enough to think for myself. But I have also had a lifelong fascination with religion as a sociological and philosophical issue, and if done well, this show could be very interesting in that regard.

I think it's actually GOOD to be exposed to religion, or at least, religious ideas; it helps those of us who are not into that sort of thing better understand those of you who are.

I wholeheartedly agree.

I'd been debating if I wanted to watch it (so much TiVo, so little time) that I totally forgot the show started tonite. I'm starting my recording 20 min in. Oh well. I'll catch it in re-runs on the Hallmark channel if it doesnt survive.

I think it has a good shot since Touched by and Angel left and it could potentially fill that void.



Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

Well, it has me for at least another week. The effects of somebody getting the voices was well-done (the original Joan thought she was going nuts, too), and the theology so far works (the idea that there are no answers is the only answer that makes sense to me; the attempts to make Christian theology logical just point out how illogical it is).

On the other hand, the serial killer stuff is kinda over the top, and the goofy priest was, well, goofy (any priest has heard those questions far too many times to just stand there flustered). The point they were probably trying to make is the same one as before--that there are no answers--but that was a pretty cheap and shoddy way to handle it. I think bringing the church into it at this point was premature; they should have waited until the show has established the premise a little more securely, and then introduced the problems with traditional church teachings in a more sophisticated manner.

It is to be hoped that we'll get a better priest eventually (given the clown from this episode, sooner rather than later), who can give a stronger and more nuanced portrayal of organized religion.



Posted by: super dave

I just hope that it will be a well written entertaining show that we could enjoy as a family. Not something that I find offensive to be watching with our 8yo daughter.



Posted by: bareyb

Well. I liked it. In fact, I think it was pretty damn good. I do not like touched by an Angel either nor would I like this one if it went all "Christiany" on me. I don't mind being exposed to spiritual ideas but extremely religious people/shows just really creep me out.

I think this is a very "normal" gal who has had an extraordinary thing happen to her. I think it's well written and I'm definitely going to keep watching it unless it proves otherwise. If I'm not mistaken this might be the same Gal who did the "Judging Amy" series? That is another of my guilty (yet wholesome) pleasures on TV. Kind nice to see a Network at least trying to do something slightly different with a positive message.



Posted by: cello

I thought it was great. I think they pretty firmly established that it was not a show about Christianity when God mentioned the New and Old Testaments as well as the Koran.

Actually, this episode didn't even to be much about spirituality, but about a teenager trying to deal with responsibility, family, obligations, etc.

Thought that the actress playing Joan was great. Not sure how I feel about the focus on the dad's job and the serial killer stuff. Although it did end up meshing with Joan's storyline, most of it seemed pretty randomly thrown in. In fact, in the review I read, the negative parts were about the non-Joan stuff.

I don't believe in God, but that will affect my viewership of this show as much as my non-belief in vampires kept me away from Buffy. Seems like this will be a good quality show, and that makes me happy. :)



Posted by: LooseWiring

quote:
Originally posted by cello
Not sure how I feel about the focus on the dad's job and the serial killer stuff. Although it did end up meshing with Joan's storyline, most of it seemed pretty randomly thrown in. In fact, in the review I read, the negative parts were about the non-Joan stuff.


Personally, I think the serial-killer sub-plot was placed there on purpose. Think about it this way. If Joan hadn't gone to work she would never have been walking down that street in the middle of the night. She would never have had a close call with the psycho. The psycho would never have been fleeing the scene in such a hurry to put distance between himself and the girl just in case she called 911.

Hopefully this was all just to illustrate that God has a plan for Joan and it's not going to become some idiotic show about this crimesolver named Joan and her comedic sidekick God.



Posted by: loubob57

One thing nobody has mentioned yet is the music, which is great!

The mention of the Koran grated on me a bit because of the context. They were trying to say that the God of the Old Testament was violent but then equated the New Testament and Koran as having a more peaceful God. I'm not an expert on the Koran, and this has come up in other threads before, and the crusades were carried out in the name of the New Testament, and now I seem to be babbling ...



Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

The God of the Koran and the New Testament is a kinder, gentler God than that of the Old Testament. But that says nothing about their relative followers...



Posted by: Connie

I liked it, enough to put it on SP and see if succeeding weeks still intrigue me. I'm agnostic, but fascinated by the idea of how faith would be different if we could have proof of the supernatural, and what it would mean to our lives.

The cast is overall good, but I was a little thrown off because Joan's younger brother is played by Jack O'Neill's clone (from a Stargate episode this summer) and the priest is played by Arthur, from The Tick! Good to see them getting work....



Posted by: hawkamer

quote:
Originally posted by loubob57
One thing nobody has mentioned yet is the music, which is great!


I second that. I really like the show; I think one of the resons the show is so good is because of the supporting cast. Time to add another SP!



Posted by: Maui

I just watched it and really liked it. I'll be adding an SP for it (or recording it on tape depending on how much I like Miss Match).

The supporting cast was all very good. And I thought the kid they had playing the first manifestation of God was especially good.



Posted by: barclay

I liked it too. I've got a season pass setup.

Hopefully though, they'll drop the "she's going crazy and needs a therapist" subplot soon, or at least subdue it. That could get old quickly.



Posted by: mag0102

Medieval Guy...

"...(the idea that there are no answers is the only answer that makes sense to me; the attempts to make Christian theology logical just point out how illogical it is)."

If you don't mind me asking, what is it about Christian theology that you find illogical? Just curious.



Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by mag0102
If you don't mind me asking, what is it about Christian theology that you find illogical? Just curious.
Well, for starters, the idea that God is omniscient, omnipotent, and good, yet allows the universe to unfold in such an unpleasant manner. If he is in fact omniscient and omnipotent, there is no possibility that everything did not happen exactly the way he wanted it to; there could be no free will. The explanations for the existence of evil put forth by Christian theology are illogical special pleadings.

Now, of course, if you have faith, that doesn't matter.



Posted by: Big_Daddy

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Well, for starters, the idea that God is omniscient, omnipotent, and good, yet allows the universe to unfold in such an unpleasant manner. If he is in fact omniscient and omnipotent, there is no possibility that everything did not happen exactly the way he wanted it to; there could be no free will.


This a very interesting contradiction expressed by many, both leaders and followers. They describe God as this, then insist on how God gave mankind Free Will - that is, the ability to choose between good and evil.

But if God is all-knowing, he knew how everything would unfold before it happened. Does the foreknowing eliminate individual choice?

Anyway, theological debate aside, I liked the first show. Not great, but interesting enough to see another. But no SP yet!



Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by Big_Daddy
But if God is all-knowing, he knew how everything would unfold before it happened. Does the foreknowing eliminate individual choice?
It goes further than that. Your point merely addresses omniscience, but if he is omnipotent, he can do anything. So if you add the two together, he had to have intended that everybody would make whatever choices they make. Not merely that he KNEW what we would do, but that he made it happen.

The interesting thing is, I look a these issues from a non-believer's point of view. But the show clearly takes God's existence as a given, which means if it addresses these issues (and given the general level of seriousness and intelligence in the first episode), it will have a much harder time of it than I do (since I can just say, "Well, it's all academic anyway; none of it actually happens"). I just hope it doesn't take the kind of straw-man approach that it did in the first episode with the silly priest; organized religion deserves serious and intelligent treatment.



Posted by: Gholrua

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
It goes further than that. Your point merely addresses omniscience, but if he is omnipotent, he can do anything. So if you add the two together, he had to have intended that everybody would make whatever choices they make. Not merely that he KNEW what we would do, but that he made it happen.

Well, there is a difference between making something happen and allowing something to happen. Although, since we will never really know the extent of His involvement, we will never know which is the case. I too am a self-proclaimed Atheist, but am open to the idea. I've just never seen anything to make me believe.



Posted by: mag0102

One entry found for omniscient.


Main Entry: om·ni·scient
Pronunciation: -sh&nt
Function: adjective
Etymology: New Latin omniscient-, omnisciens, back-formation from Medieval Latin omniscientia
Date: 1604
1 : having infinite awareness, understanding, and insight
2 : possessed of universal or complete knowledge
- om·ni·scient·ly adverb


2 entries found for omnipotent.
To select an entry, click on it.
omnipotent[1,adjective]omnipotent[2,noun]

Main Entry: 1om·nip·o·tent
Pronunciation: -t&nt
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin omnipotent-, omnipotens, from omni- + potent-, potens potent
Date: 14th century
1 often capitalized : ALMIGHTY 1
2 : having virtually unlimited authority or influence
3 obsolete : ARRANT
- om·nip·o·tent·ly adverb

Please tell me how these definitions trasnlate to a forfiet of free will. Havingt unlimited influence does not necessitate the use of that influence.



Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

Being omniscient means you know everything. Being omnipotent means you can do anything. If you know everything, then you know the consequences of everything you do. Everything will thus turn out exactly as you intend. If you know everything, you cannot do something without knowing how it will turn out. If you do not know how it will turn out, you are not omniscient. If it does not turn out the way you intend, you are not omnipotent. Logically, there is no way around this without making God less than perfect, which is an un-Christian idea.

Christian answers to this problem boil down to faith; they are not logical answers. If you have faith, then it doesn't matter that God and his actions are not logical (or transcend logic; however you want to put it). But logically, a perfect God and a world with evil are incompatible, since a perfect God could have created the world without evil, and created beings to live in it who turned out the way he intended without needing to be tested by evil.



Posted by: Maui

Just curious here - Is every post show discussion going to end up as a theology discussion?



Posted by: kitsap

quote:
Originally posted by Maui
Just curious here - Is every post show discussion going to end up as a theology discussion?
Very possibly, since that is what the show is about!



Posted by: Maui

Well, the top of this thread had many people hoping that the show would not be too "preachy" for them so let just say I hold out the same hope for the post show topics regardless of which side of the fence it is coming from.



Posted by: jwjody

Had some small issues with it, but overall I like it. Setup a season pass. Mary Steenburgen is a good actress but her voice gets on my nerves. The father Joe (can't spell the last name) is very good. And I like the detective...Dr. Dave from ER and a couple of L&O SVU eps.

I'll be watching.

J



Posted by: coldtoes

I thought where the show was being somewhat comic it was dead-on. The scenes with God were my favorites ("God is snippy?"). But when it tried to be too much of a drama it was painful. The whole storyline around the paraplegic son seemed melodramatic and cliched - and I usually like Joe Mantegna (and Mary Steenbergen) quite a bit. But I'm giving it at least one more chance. If it can make the forced family drama moments feel more natural, it will be good. I thought Amber Tamblyn was extremely likeable and engaging, and I like the concept.



Posted by: Crrink

I was pleasantly surprised by this show. I'll keep watching for sure.
One thing I'm wondering about is that the son in the wheelchair is played by Jason Ritter, son of John Ritter.
I'd expect him to need, and be afforded, some time of to grieve. So, if in a couple of weeks the boy goes off to some camp or something, I won't be too surprised or too critical of how the writers choose to explain it.



Posted by: cello

I noticed his name, and was wondering if they were related.

What is their shooting schedule? Do they not tape far in advance, because it's a new show that is more likely to be cancelled than a more established show? (I know nothing about how any of that works, for new or old shows.)



Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

I know Ritter's show only had three eps in the can...of course, that was a sit com, which has a shorter production schedule. But I remember Buffy episodes being shot only a few weeks ahead of airtime.



Posted by: brahamt

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
I just hope it doesn't take the kind of straw-man approach that it did in the first episode with the silly priest; organized religion deserves serious and intelligent treatment.


Though I cannot state intent on this one, it is a possibility that a priest may be flustered by a question like that, especially when you consider that he has no idea what is prompting that question. Considering her level of emotion, that could be intimidating to anyone, even a grizzled veteran of a priest (they are human after all). On top of all that, it would be somewhat irresponsible to answer the question in some trite manner.

That said I found his responses irritating to me. I wanted him to respond back in a way that was thoughtful and well reasoned. Just because he did not, does not make it stupid, IMHO.



Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by brahamt
Though I cannot state intent on this one, it is a possibility that a priest may be flustered by a question like that, especially when you consider that he has no idea what is prompting that question. Considering her level of emotion, that could be intimidating to anyone, even a grizzled veteran of a priest (they are human after all). On top of all that, it would be somewhat irresponsible to answer the question in some trite manner.

That said I found his responses irritating to me. I wanted him to respond back in a way that was thoughtful and well reasoned. Just because he did not, does not make it stupid, IMHO.

But it does. Any priest who has been a priest for more than, say, five minutes has heard that question dozens of times. And that question is usually asked by people who are emotionally distressed. They are TRAINED to answer that exact question; he would never have been let out of seminary if he got that flustered at hearing it. It was just a cheap shot, and I think it was unworthy of this show (which generally seems to be above that sort of thing; at least, I hope so).



Posted by: Big_Daddy

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
But it does. Any priest who has been a priest for more than, say, five minutes has heard that question dozens of times. And that question is usually asked by people who are emotionally distressed. They are TRAINED to answer that exact question; he would never have been let out of seminary if he got that flustered at hearing it. It was just a cheap shot, and I think it was unworthy of this show (which generally seems to be above that sort of thing; at least, I hope so).


Oh I so agree. In fact, his fumbling for an answer was so uncharacteristic of someone who's been trained that it made me wonder if the priest wasn't a priest but the guy who was going around murdering people - which of course it wasn't. In reality, he may not have provided a concrete, satisfying answer but at least would have been able to make a better effort at soothing/comforting someone who was so upset.

This annoyed me just slightly more than Mary Steenburgen's "emoting" - her distress didn't come across real to me. It came across as someone who's pretending to be upset while still trying to remember her lines. She's still not as bad as Scott Bakula, but it felt forced. This stood in contrast to many of the emotional scenes with other cast members.

She kind of struck me as the weak cast member link. But then I've never been her biggest fan. So far I liked the others. Let's see if the writers can keep up good work.



Posted by: Trent Bates

I have to second the comment about Steenburgen. I've always felt that she was "confused" about what her characters should be feeling. She seems to have wild mood swings within the space of a few sentences at times.
I've never quite felt that she was a believeable actress in any role.
Perhaps though, she is portraying her characters in a style that many of us aren't accustomed to. Or maybe I'm all wrong. :)

I would have liked to have seen someone else cast in that role though.

As far as the show goes, I think it has some potential so far!



Posted by: TreborPugly

I like the fantasy aspect of God appearing to a young woman. I can even deal with the sappy solve-a-problem-a-week format.

But if they keep writing the skeptical side the way they do, I'm outa there. The crap her kid brother spouted off sounded like just the sort of argument a life-long Christian who never had an "is there a God" debate in his life. The same for the sequence with the Priest. And I definitely hope they don't keep quoting scientists as an appeal to authority on the existence of God.

The only theory that might save this for me is that they are putting stuff like that in, not because of a religious bent, but because they are bending over backwards not to offend the religious audience. (like Dogma did)

I like the variable appearance of God, much like happened now and then in "Oh God!" But unless He's just inhabiting folks who really exist for a while, they'll need to do a better job of adding strangers to real situations. The lunch lady was pretty stereotypical, but even if you don't know the lunch staff personally, you recognize them all, and a new one would draw some attention.


Treb.



Posted by: TheDewAddict

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
God and his actions are not logical (or transcend logic; however you want to put it).


Ah-hah! Proof that God is a woman!

Never mind me, carry on :)



Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by Trent Bates
I have to second the comment about Steenburgen. I've always felt that she was "confused" about what her characters should be feeling. She seems to have wild mood swings within the space of a few sentences at times.
I've never quite felt that she was a believeable actress in any role.
Perhaps though, she is portraying her characters in a style that many of us aren't accustomed to. Or maybe I'm all wrong. :)

I would have liked to have seen someone else cast in that role though.

As far as the show goes, I think it has some potential so far!



I liked her performance in Time after Time,.



Posted by: Trent Bates

Funny you should mention that! That was my first taste of her acting. I formed my opinion about her in that movie. To each his own I guess.

I've just found it disconcerting to be following along with the emotions in her character and have her "shift" suddenly, unexpectedly, and uncharacteristically.
There seem to be moments IMO where she emphasizes something too much and seems uninterested at times when she shouldn't be.

But again, that's just my impression of her. It might be accentuated and tainted by my 22+ years of believing that she wasn't the best actress. I don't remember her being so bad in Back to the Future III.



Posted by: Philosofy

Steenburgen seemed like a ditzy blonde, acting like a woman half her age. She didn't quite click as a concerned mother. I'm interested to see where this series goes. Did anyone else catch Joan's playful jab at a friend which really seemed to hurt her? Maybe Joan is getting more than visions. (After all, the original Joan of Arc was the best warrior France ever had. Of course, your mightiest warrior being a teenage girl doesn't score high on the respect meter, but, hey, it was France.)



Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
(After all, the original Joan of Arc was the best warrior France ever had. Of course, your mightiest warrior being a teenage girl doesn't score high on the respect meter, but, hey, it was France.)
Hey, she kicked England's ass! :D



Posted by: cheesesteak

I enjoyed the pilot. The Jason Fox clone of a brother was annoying and unrealistic but on the whole, I thought this was a well written episode. The lead actress did a very good job. It's earned at least a couple more epsiodes. Not too sure I'll be visiting this thread too often if it's going to mostly be theoretical discussions on the existence of God, though.



Posted by: Philosofy

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Hey, she kicked England's ass! :D


Yeah, but she wouldn't have gotten very far without divine intervention! France and Joan didn't kick England's butt, God did! :D



Posted by: drumorgan

Well, by the time I got to this episode on my TiVo, this thread dropped off the face of the universe. I did want to make a couple comments.

First, I agree, the priest would not have been at a loss for words with those questions. That looks like the writing of someone who assumes there is no answer to any deep question like that, so they make the priest look like an idiot, and it becomes a self fulfilling argument. See? Even the priest has no answer...

Which, brings me to my second point. All you atheist/agnostic types, don't worry. Speaking as an evangelical Christian myself, this show does not look in the least to be Christian. Did you hear the word Jesus once? Uh huh. Also, they wouldn't have mentioned the Koran, nor said that God changed from the Old to the New Testament. Minor points that you might not have caught, but just to reassure you. Choose not to watch the show for some other reason, like bad acting, or too sappy, if you must. Someone else mentioned it before, Hollywood is not going to put out a show that agrees with the church. I bet even some people mistake the new age message of "touched by an angel" for Christianity.

After reading the reviews here, I was expecting a better show. I was a bit underimpressed, but I am willing to give it a couple more weeks to see where it is going. I am more of a Joe Schmoe fan, myself.



Posted by: drumorgan

Well, by the time I got to this episode on my TiVo, this thread dropped off the face of the universe. I did want to make a couple comments.

First, I agree, the priest would not have been at a loss for words with those questions. That looks like the writing of someone who assumes there is no answer to any deep question like that, so they make the priest look like an idiot, and it becomes a self fulfilling argument. See? Even the priest has no answer...

Which, brings me to my second point. All you atheist/agnostic types, don't worry. Speaking as an evangelical Christian myself, this show does not look in the least to be Christian. Did you hear the word Jesus once? Uh huh. Also, they wouldn't have mentioned the Koran, nor said that God changed from the Old to the New Testament. Minor points that you might not have caught, but just to reassure you. Choose not to watch the show for some other reason, like bad acting, or too sappy, if you must. Someone else mentioned it before, Hollywood is not going to put out a show that agrees with the church. I bet even some people mistake the new age message of "touched by an angel" for Christianity.

After reading the reviews here, I was expecting a better show. I was a bit underimpressed, but I am willing to give it a couple more weeks to see where it is going. I am more of a Joe Schmoe fan, myself.



Posted by: dr_mal

quote:
Originally posted by drumorgan
Also, they wouldn't have mentioned the Koran, nor said that God changed from the Old to the New Testament. Minor points that you might not have caught, but just to reassure you.


Just a nitpick, they didn't say He changed from Old to New, just that He comes across a little nicer in the New Testament.

Like others, I enjoyed the show for the most part. Favourite part? Joan asks God to prove he's God by showing her a miracle. He points to a tree. She replies "That's just a tree!" God says "Let's see YOU make one". Cliche? Maybe. Still funny.



Posted by: rasheed

I guess I didn't expect a thread so deeply covering the story's every religious aspect, but that is a theme for this show. I see the religion aspect of this show akin to how currency we hold discusses the trust of God for that aspect. Some see that as a significant issue (pro or con) and others not so.

In any case, I think this is a very good family show and keeps light enough to have a decent storyline (I found the interaction to turn on a television after the newscast interesting). When one considers that CSI was rated as the least family friendly show, you have to counterbalance sometimes.

Will the show thrown in bits of religious commentary (such as the Quran/New Testament bit)? Probably, but at least you know up front what you are getting in to (as if the theme song wasn't enough).

I'm glad that CBS took something risky than yet another crime drama (although, it did hedge its bets with lots of Crime Drama anyway).

Rasheed



Posted by: Philosofy

I like this show. It doesn't offer a lot of opinons, but rather raises some questions that us normal people can ponder.



Posted by: Kylep

There have been some really funny lines here to. I forget the exact quote, but when god goes on about being a supreme being, then goes "can I have my ball now?" It cracked me up.



Posted by: Jonathan_S

quote:
There have been some really funny lines here to.

I liked "Let there be light"; light bulb comes on. A minute later light bulb flickers out.

Oh, and "anticlimatic means you are against.. the weather"



Posted by: Cathy/Vik

quote:
Originally posted by TreborPugly
The lunch lady was pretty stereotypical, but even if you don't know the lunch staff personally, you recognize them all, and a new one would draw some attention.
But it's God!
God could change thier minds in a way to make them think they *did* recognize this lunchlady! ;)
Or that it was a sub from some other school sub'ing cuz they were short-handed cuz a few people were sick or something.
If it's God, the possiblities are near-endless! :D

I am digging this show. It might not be perfectly Biblical, but it's got some interesting points that make conversations about God & religion easy to start. (I've always enjoyed religious discussions, even before I was Christian.)

That said, I though this 3rd ep was the weakest one so far. I think that woman (not saying who to avoid spoilers) detracted or took too much time from other stuff, though I see why they decided to do it. (Though, as a Christian, yeah, it bugged me.)

I am anxious for them to show the "point" of God stearing Joan isn't always someone she already loves/likes/knows...





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