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Enterprise 10/8: Impulse (spoilers - does it still need mentioning?)
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Posted by: Cletus

before JYoung's analysis, here are a few of my observations:

Not a bad episode, but... why did they go on a partially decompressed ship without spacesuits?

What exactly does an intake manifold do on a shuttlepod? Aren't those supposed to work in space? Oh well...

60 kg of trellium are enough to cover the ship? Maybe if they spread it in a sub-micron layer. However, the one they showed on the Vulcan ship was quite thick.

Of course, T'Pol shows again quite a bit of skin - even though this time it's more or less justified. :)

Posted by: LoadStar

Justified? Uhm... WHY was she topless in sickbay? What the HECK did Phlox have to do to her that required removing her top? (I'm assuming that's all that was removed... hmm. Maybe Phlox took advantage of her, uhm... lack of control... *shudder* Bad mental image of that stupid grin of his... yikes.)

Was there REALLY any point to the additional hallucinations at the end, except the writers saying "Oh, $%#*! We're 5 minutes short!!!"

This was a zombie suspense flick - except it wasn't at all suspenseful. It was insulting to the intelligence and boring to boot.

Posted by: TeeSee

Cletus, according to Trip, they had enough trillium to cover just the front of the ship, not the whole thing.

I too was wondering why they thought they would be fine on a ship that they knew was powered down. Wouldn't life support be out in that situation?

I don't think JYoung will have a problem with this week's opening teaser. It was uncharacteristically good this time.

I think you got it right, LoadStar. The hallucinations were filler.

I liked how how much noise those asteroids made when they collided, despite the fact that noise is impossible in the vacuum of space. I know this problem goes all the way back to TOS, but it still irks me.

I thought this ep was average for ENT, which is not good.

Posted by: tonyoci

It was the same usual watchable but average show IMHO. Even I had problems with issues such as having both shuttle pods out on "dangerous" missions at the same time, the ending hallucinations which were like a tease that did not pay off

I also hate the "see the end at the start" approach that we often saw in Voyager but much less so in TNG and TOS (if ever in the latter).

They are not even trying to develop interesting characters out of Joshi and the pilot (who after 2 years I still cannot remember his name)

T

Posted by: JYoung

Ehhhh, it was ok. Star Trek: Resident Evil or Night of the Living Vulcans.

My notes:

Don’t blink or you’ll miss the teaser.
T’Pol goes wacko.
I hate the strobing camera
The chef is worried about the crew.
Nice EFX on the asteroid field.
Mayweather’s working the transporter?
Boy Reed is a wuss for a Security officer.
Rough landing.
How long until T’Pol brains the marine?
Vulcan history 101.
Wow, look at the damage on the shuttlepod.
Shouldn’t T’Pol be able to throw the marine across the room?
One shot takes care of T’Pol?
Dropping the plank was smart.
More gratuitous T’Pol nudity. :rolleyes:
What the hell is with the hallucinations?

I suppose that this wouldn’t have been a bad Halloween episode if it had been shown closer to the end of the month.
The main problems with this episode is that:
1. Blalock’s acting is barely adequate for this.
2. It’s a paint by numbers episode whose intelligence level is just above the average horror flick. And I’ve seen a ton of horror flicks.

Again, though, I will say that the special effects work was superb.
I thought that the teaser was too short. They should have dumped the hallucination at the end and beefed up the teaser (I guess slightly less than 42 minutes is hard to fill)
I agree with the others that this was an average episode of Enterprise which was somewhat entertaining and Archer wasn't a total dumb ass.
Problem is that Buffy and Angel do this so much better.
Grade C.

Posted by: kiljoy

I can't believe no one picked up on this continuity error!

Trellium blocks the anomolies. On the asteroid where Trip and Mayweather were picking up the stuff, the asteroid almost entirely filled with the crap, an anomoly causes the whole asteroid face to quiver.

Tony

Posted by: LoadStar

The trellium may block the anomalies - but it doesn't prevent them... they're still likely to have the anomalies outside the shell of the asteroid. If one were to drill into the asteroid, they'd probably be fine.

You can have a hurricane-proof home - doesn't mean you're not going to get hit by a hurricane, just means that the hurricane isn't as likely to affect the building or what's inside.

Posted by: Big_Daddy

quote:
Originally posted by kiljoy
I can't believe no one picked up on this continuity error!

Continuity, schmontinuity. Maybe it's only processed trellium that shields against the anomalies. Or maybe it only prevents anomalies from penetrating inside something covered with trellium. See? When backed into a corner you can come up with all sorts of creative explanations! :rolleyes:

I read something interesting through most of this episode. I like good, suspenseful horror. And this wasn't it. It was slow. And I'm becoming increasingly more aware of the limitations Ms. Blalock's acting ability. Maybe that's why their focusing on skin shots.

Posted by: dcheesi

No wonder those vulcans went mad --a few more minutes of those flashing lights and I'd have been ready to kill someone too! :)

I Thought Blalock's acting job was adequate; although I did think the transition from minor depressive brooding to fully formed conspiracy-theory paranoia was a bit abrupt. But I think that's more the writing/directing than anything.

Posted by: NosferaDrew

Not a bad episode.
All I know is that we get a Hoshi episode next week!
Hoshi is teh hotness.

Posted by: jones07

Nine posts so far and no one has threaten to remove their Season Pass yet. hummm :P Enjoyable episode For a "Resident Evil" Rip-Off. B & B must have increased the Special Effects budget this year. Best FX on Tv this year.

Grade C-plus

Posted by: LoadStar

I didn't threaten to remove my season pass - because I never had one in the first place. Heck, I wasn't even planning on watching, except there was nothing left on my TiVo worth watching again and Angel didn't start for another hour. :)

By the way - this is the first I'm hearing the new theme. They have successfully made a nauseatingly horrible song - worse. They replaced the full orchestra they had doing the song with a 5 piece jam band. Because, of course, a 5 piece jam band is just SO perfect for performing a sappy ballad. :rolleyes:

Posted by: DLiquid

quote:
Originally posted by tonyoci
It was the same usual watchable but average show IMHO.

I agree, watchable but average. I'm not too into zombie plots, other than maybe Day of The Dead, so it surprised me that this episode was okay.

The story arc this season has been fairly good. In this episode we have the Trellium connection to past episodes, and some foreshadowing (hallucinations were not filler, IMO) that T'Pols zombie alteration is going to haunt her in the future.

The special effects in this episode were awesome. In fact, the effects all season have been really good.

I thought Blalocks acting was quite good, BTW.

Posted by: crazywater

Best episode of the season so far...I watched it, I enjoyed it.Thats all that matters.

All of this other crap you guys are discussing, the amount or trellium covering the ship, the asteroid/trellium/anomaly, going aboard a partially decompressed ship, the intake manifold, give me a break! Does everything have to be fully explained?? It sure wasn't on TOS so why should we expect it here. ST:ENT is the most (unfairly) scrutinized show on television and its not just on this forum. Its just a sci-fi TV show, things are not suppose to happen as expected, otherwise you guys would be complaining about that too.

And whats so wrong with a little Blalock skin each week, Jeez every week on TOS you got the gratuitous scantily clad female....

Posted by: tonyoci

quote:
Originally posted by crazywater
All of this other crap you guys are discussing, the amount or trellium covering the ship, the asteroid/trellium/anomaly, going aboard a partially decompressed ship, the intake manifold, give me a break! Does everything have to be fully explained?? It sure wasn't on TOS so why should we expect it here. ST:ENT is the most (unfairly) scrutinized show on television and its not just on this forum. Its just a sci-fi TV show, things are not suppose to happen as expected, otherwise you guys would be complaining about that too.

For future reference, please be aware that we have all, subconciously, agreed that we will not make these kind of posts in a ST thread. If people want to worry about that stuff then they can.

:D

T

Posted by: HTH

quote:
Originally posted by Cletus
(spoilers - does it still need mentioning?)

Yes. I don't get a first chance to see them until Sunday (Sunday Sunday).

Posted by: tonyoci

HTH, I think it's reasonable to expect any thread in this TV Talk forum to contain spoilers about a show, whether the title says so or not.

Tony

Posted by: Cletus

That's what I meant. This forum is nothing but a big spoiler collection. :)

Posted by: ntrprize

I like enterprise. I am of the opinion that if it can go 6 or 7 years, it will be second only to the Next Generation. I do agree it can be done better than B&B do it, but so far I have enjoyed every single episode.

Posted by: FatherTed

All I could think of was that with the Vulcan makeup job I was watching Night of the Living Vulcans

Posted by: Big Deficit

First I thought "why would you split up with the 2 military trained assault rifle carrying characters on one team and the 2 most senior officers with nothing more than pistols on the other"? Then I realized that the little pistols are far more effective weapons :rolleyes: . Every episode, there's some inconsistent plot details that one would think should have been discovered and fixed by a competent production team. But there they are! This is why most Trek fans hate B&B so much.

Posted by: kiljoy

quote:
Originally posted by Big Deficit
First I thought "why would you split up with the 2 military trained assault rifle carrying characters on one team and the 2 most senior officers with nothing more than pistols on the other"? Then I realized that the little pistols are far more effective weapons :rolleyes: . Every episode, there's some inconsistent plot details that one would think should have been discovered and fixed by a competent production team. But there they are! This is why most Trek fans hate B&B so much.

I said that very thing to my g/f during the show! Right down to pistols doing a much better job than the rifles!

And I totally agree about the production details. It's the details that ST fans focus on, but B&B just don't appreciate that fact.

Tony

Posted by: LlamaLarry

Yeah, what's the deal with the pahse pistols being so much more effective than the rifles? Surely some Trekker will hop in to explain what they are and why they are different.

Course, the space Marines are useless no matter what weapon they carry. . . Bullet blockers I guess as they get smacked down all the time and shown up by the likes of Reed.

Posted by: Big_Daddy

quote:
Originally posted by LlamaLarry
Yeah, what's the deal with the pahse pistols being so much more effective than the rifles? Surely some Trekker will hop in to explain what they are and why they are different.

Course, the space Marines are useless no matter what weapon they carry. . . Bullet blockers I guess as they get smacked down all the time and shown up by the likes of Reed.

Maybe they were able to tighten the confinement beam on the phase pistols making them more effective. Oh, wait, that was the way to fix the transporters in ST:TNG. My bad.

And as far as the bullet-blocking marines, maybe they're the predecesors to the "Red shirt security men" who so regularly died in the original ST series! They're the expendable faceless drones!

Posted by: LlamaLarry

LOL, you must be right as that poor Marine was getting his ass kicked every time he turned around. I really enjoyed them slinking into Sick Bay and the crazy Vulcan jumps on the already damaged Marine with all those other targets around.

I am stunned that it appears that only one person has died on that damn ship when you consider all the trouble they get into - rescue missions, spatial anomalies, multiple boarding parties, space hookers John Woo-ing their way through the ship. Did I miss any other dead people with names?

Posted by: tonyoci

No other dead people with names but I'm pretty sure a couple died last week when that girl got rescued.

T

Posted by: TonyD79

Not sure that the hallucinations were fillers. They were awfully close to the time being up anway.

I get the feeling that they are the start of some human-like doubt or recurring problems that T'Pol is going to have.

Posted by: kiljoy

quote:
Originally posted by LlamaLarry
Yeah, what's the deal with the pahse pistols being so much more effective than the rifles? Surely some Trekker will hop in to explain what they are and why they are different.

In the Technical Manual for the Enterprise D, on the chapter on light armaments, there are three phasers: Type I, Type II, and Type III.

Type I is the tiny, remote control shaped one, with eight power settings.

Type II is the traditional one, with the angled handle. It has the eight settings the Type I has, but also eight more above that. It also has a focusing toggle switch that allows for a wider/narrower beam, for larger areas (like a rock or a door).

Type III is the rifle shaped one. It is for the most part identical to the Type II, but with a targeting crosshairs mounted on top for increased distance accuracy, and a much larger power reserve, but no additional power output.

Given that this is 24th century technology, it may not apply to Enterprise.

The Type III's in TNG fire continuously as the trigger is held, not in bursts as the marine's weapon did. If the marine's rifle in Enterprise is of the same type as the ones we've seen previously on the show, then either the power setting was too low, the beam was not left on the target long enough, or the Vulcans had some kind of shielding for the phase of the beam. Since Archer's pistol did just fine, the last option is not plausible. Since the marine was trying to dial up the power, one would assume that he was using the highest "stun" setting (level 3), so the first option isn't plausible either. Leaving the problem with the marine's weapon to likely be that he was just not holding in the trigger long enough.

I wouldn't have posted this, but you asked.

Tony

Posted by: vman41

quote:
Originally posted by Big Deficit
Then I realized that the little pistols are far more effective weapons :rolleyes: .

It's not the size that matters, but how you use it :D

Posted by: TiVo-Thom

OK, I give up, how does one get Enterprise when direcTV doesn't offer local channels in a given area, I have been trying to come up with a way to get ST Enterprise through my D-TiVo! As it is the only way I see it is from the roof-top TV antenna, then what, record to a antiquated magnetic-tape based video cassette recorder? What is this the stone age, I'm a doctor damnit, not a politician!

Posted by: ourdoc

quote:
Originally posted by TiVo-Thom
OK, I give up, how does one get Enterprise when direcTV doesn't offer local channels in a given area, I have been trying to come up with a way to get ST Enterprise through my D-TiVo! As it is the only way I see it is from the roof-top TV antenna, then what, record to a antiquated magnetic-tape based video cassette recorder? What is this the stone age, I'm a doctor damnit, not a politician!

Well one could always get an SA TiVo that can record OTA, Cable and Sat. :)
(ducks an runs...)

Posted by: Dad

Zombies in space. Give me a break. What was the point of this episode besides the cool asteroid fx? I guess that they have added the twist of having to live with anomalies or find a cure for T'Pol (one I'm sure that will require full frontal nudity).

Argghh, I just can't stop watching! It must be that syndrome where the hostage falls for the captor or something.

Posted by: IndyJones1023

No one else thought of the deplorable Event Horizon- like similarities? Someone on the writing staff must be a fan.

Posted by: crazywater

quote:
Originally posted by Dad
Zombies in space. Give me a break. What was the point of this episode besides the cool asteroid fx? I guess that they have added the twist of having to live with anomalies or find a cure for T'Pol (one I'm sure that will require full frontal nudity).

Argghh, I just can't stop watching! It must be that syndrome where the hostage falls for the captor or something.

The point? The point was that they found an answer to the effects of the Expanse but the can't/won't use it since it would eventually kill T'Pol. Every episode so far has advanced the story arc using standalone episodes, I have no problem with it so far.

Perhaps you don't either and that is why you keep tuning in each week, you just can't bring yourself to admit it, can you? :confused: CAN YOU???? :D

Posted by: jones07

I think you'er right. Enterprise is a show some people just love to tune in "Every" week just to look for things to be disappointed about and finding them........ S & M on a weekly bases :p

Posted by: Big_Daddy

quote:
Originally posted by jones07
S & M on a weekly bases :p

And with the recent almost-nude T'pol scences, T&A on a weekly basis too. :D

Posted by: treyj

I have another theory about the phase-pistols vs. the Marine's rifles. As you may recall, the phase-pistols were brand new when Enterprise started. It's quite possible that the military was reluctant to issue weapons that were so new and preferred to stick with the tried-and-true "old" technology pulsed rifles. Of course, I thought the military probably had superior weapons to whatever Starfeet provided, and that explained the pulses. One other possibility is that the pulse rifles might work better on humans but worse on Vulcans, and vice-versa for phase-pistols. They probably didn't get a whole lot of Vulcan volunteers to test out their weapon's effectiveness. I can see it now: "Vulcans! Make 50 credits in 15 minutes!"

Hey, the UFP doesn't exist yet, right? So we have Starfleet, but no Federation yet, right? I'm looking forward to that forming during the series.

Posted by: JimSpence

quote:
Originally posted by TiVo-Thom
OK, I give up, how does one get Enterprise when direcTV doesn't offer local channels in a given area, I have been trying to come up with a way to get ST Enterprise through my D-TiVo! As it is the only way I see it is from the roof-top TV antenna, then what, record to a antiquated magnetic-tape based video cassette recorder? What is this the stone age, I'm a doctor damnit, not a politician!

I bought a Dish Network 301 receiver in order to get just the superstations. It's connected to my separate dish pointed at the 119 satellite. I use my DVD recorder with it. Not handy, but it works.

Posted by: rtype

Jim
Are you saying you subscribe to both Dish and DTV?

Posted by: JimSpence

Yes I do. Dish is only $11/month for the superstations only. 3 WB's and 2 UPN's. I have waivers for ABC, NBC, and Fox. I use TWC for my CBS affiliate. This will all change when locals get to my area sometime in the next ten years.

Posted by: rtype

Do you need waivers for the Superstations?

Posted by: JimSpence

There's a place on the Dish Network site where you enter your zip code and it shows you what you are eligible for. However, actual waivers aren't needed for the Superstation pack. I pay them $5.99/month for the supers and $5.00/month as an access charge, which would be waived if I subscribed to at least the Top 50 package.

Posted by: rtype

Congratulations! This address is eligible for all SuperStations.

NEW YORK WB-WPIX
DENVER WB-KWGN
LOS ANGELES WB-KTLA NEW YORK UPN-WWOR
BOSTON UPN-WSBK

Three WBs and 2 UPNs. Nice. I don't know if I can justify it for the one show I watch on each network, though. :)