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Smallville 11/12: Magnetic (Spoilers)
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Posted by: Philosofy

Not a good ep, but laid some groundwork for Chloe. Of course Cosmic Boy ends up in a coma, but what did you expect? The heat vision trick was a good one, but I think Clark underutilizes that power. For instance, when the car was tossed at him, a quick dose of heat vision could have stopped the villain.

With heat vision, I'm reminded of a scene Alan Moore wrote years ago. Mongul (comics version, not Alex Karras :)) has royally pissed off Superman. They are wrestling, and Mongul has the upper hand until Superman just says "Burn" and the heat vision kicks in full force in the guys face. Also, see the latest Justice League cartoon where the bad Supes lobotomizes Doomsday with his heat vision.

Posted by: Bryanmc

Echo Phil.

This show was not great, but I did enjoy the Chloe stuff. Some real "Lois" moments there (except the asking for help from Lex of course).

Posted by: Crrink

A yawner, I thought.
Did they explain how Lana was 'demagnetized?' If they did, I missed it.

Posted by: JYoung

eeehhhh, it was a let down after the last couple of episodes.

Still kicks Enterprise's behind though.......

Posted by: type_g

HEYYYYYYYY flashback well for me anyways :D. did anyone know that the magenetic guy was the guy who was the little kid on AIR BUD? (one who owned the dog), wierd from a lovable kid to a pyscho on smallville :D

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

Well, my impression of the Smallville heat vision is that it takes him some time to "warm up"; he never just cuts loose. He always stands there and concentrates for a moment first. Sp it probably requires at least a little planning for him to use it...

Posted by: bobcarn

It wasn't a great episode, but there were a LOT of interesting things about it nonetheless.

1) It's about time someone chewed out Clark for constantly butting into people's business. :p They're in a closed carnival, and he happens to be there. I'd think he was stalking them too! Clark may have been right about cosmic boy, but Lana's reaction to his stalking wasn't a result of his powers. It was good to see her basically tell Clark at the end that he better get his act together, cause she's not waiting around.

2) Lana was not only totally accepting of cosmic boy, but thought it was "really cool!" That line alone was the best part of the show. It establishes how she'll react to Clark if he ever decides to tell her.

3) One complaint is that once again, someone else gains super powers and becomes bad. As far as I know, there were only two people in the series who had super powers and were good. They really should have a couple episodes where someone gets these powers and actually uses them in beneficial ways.

It was established in Superman's history that his early childhood sweetheart was Lana Lang. Some versions of his history also have her knowing about his identity. In the cartoon, she just put two and two together and didn't know until he was in Metropolis as Superman. But seeing as she's so close to him and is now obviously accepting of super powers, I wonder if during the season he will ever tell her about his abilities. Their romance is turning into a one-trick pony the producers are using. She wants him, he wants her, he won't confide in her and pushes her away. I have trouble thinking the series will continue to use this plot device much longer. Another plausible (and in my opinion, more sensible) plot device could be that he does indeed confide in her, and they start to actually have a romance, but then have relationship troubles down the road, leading them to an eventual breakup. There relationship as it currently stands has very little left to explore, by confiding in her, it opens up new doors. It would be much more interesting to see how a couple tries to reconcile the fact that one of them is alien and superpowered than it is to just watch them perpetually almost get together.

Posted by: allan

quote:
Originally posted by bobcarn
2) Lana was not only totally accepting of cosmic boy, but thought it was "really cool!" That line alone was the best part of the show. It establishes how she'll react to Clark if he ever decides to tell her.

3) One complaint is that once again, someone else gains super powers and becomes bad. As far as I know, there were only two people in the series who had super powers and were good. They really should have a couple episodes where someone gets these powers and actually uses them in beneficial ways.

I'm not sure #2 is true. Magnet Boy was messing with Lana's emotions. In her normal state, I don't think she'd be nearly as accepting of super powers because of all her bad experiences with those villians.

But it would be good to see a "freak of the week" who DIDN'T become corrupted with power.

Posted by: Philosofy

Well, judging from history (Cheers, Moonlighting, Becker), romantic tension is best left as tension. I hope Clark and Lana don't get together. Now, there is precedent for Lana and Pete to get together. That would be very interesting: Pete is the only one who knows why Clark won't go for Lana.

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by allan
I'm not sure #2 is true. Magnet Boy was messing with Lana's emotions. In her normal state, I don't think she'd be nearly as accepting of super powers because of all her bad experiences with those villians.

She said to Clark at the end when she wasn't under Magneto's control anymore that while what he did was wrong, she though it was 'really cool' how open and honest he was with her about his abilities.

quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
Now, there is precedent for Lana and Pete to get together. That would be very interesting: Pete is the only one who knows why Clark won't go for Lana.

I was thinking this too when she was talking about there being someone out there for her.

Posted by: JYoung

quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
Well, judging from history (Cheers, Moonlighting, Becker), romantic tension is best left as tension. I hope Clark and Lana don't get together. Now, there is precedent for Lana and Pete to get together. That would be very interesting: Pete is the only one who knows why Clark won't go for Lana.

At least it would give Pete something to do.
Rigth now, he's the token Mayweather.....

Posted by: bobcarn

quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
Well, judging from history (Cheers, Moonlighting, Becker), romantic tension is best left as tension. I hope Clark and Lana don't get together. Now, there is precedent for Lana and Pete to get together. That would be very interesting: Pete is the only one who knows why Clark won't go for Lana.

Yeah, but none of those guys were an alien with superpowers. And also, for all the shows that have romantic tension, there's even more where there's roman tension while the couple is together. The precedent is already there. We know that Clark and Lana won't have a successful relationship. What they are free to explore though is at least some kind of relationship and why it didn't work out. Can anyone honestly say that they're not getting tired or frustrated by this heavy chemistry between the two and their relationship never changes? I think there's a lot more possibilities for character development if they're dating than if they're not.

Posted by: Philosofy

One thing that bothered me: Lana kept saying things like "We aren't together anymore." Were they ever really together?

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
One thing that bothered me: Lana kept saying things like "We aren't together anymore." Were they ever really together?

They were for about fifteen minutes...literally. They did the whole kiss and soulful gaze thing, but never actually got as far as going out.

Posted by: Azlen

Didn't Lana somewhat imply that she knew Clark had superpowers when she told Clark that Magnet Boy told her about *his* powers.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by Azlen
Didn't Lana somewhat imply that she knew Clark had superpowers when she told Clark that Magnet Boy told her about *his* powers.

No, she's just referring to the fact that he has secrets that he won't tell her (and he has told her that he won't tell her).

Posted by: fonamna

Nice post bobcarn..I agree whith most the things said in this thread. I've always been facinated(sp?) by the magnetic super villians. I think the powers are always underplayed. They could affect so much more, and possibly open up dimensional portals ala The Philadelphia Experiment

Posted by: bobcarn

Thanks. Yeah, I know what you mean. I seem to remember some special about strange phenomenon. In the back of my memory is supposedly a real test the navy did with some device on one of their large boats. Maybe a shield generator or something? Supposedly, "witnesses" claimed that objects and people were very strange afterwards, becoming semi-transparent as if they were phasing in and out of our universe. Of course, it may all be bunk (most likely it is), but it's still fascinating.

Posted by: hanumang

quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
One thing that bothered me: Lana kept saying things like "We aren't together anymore." Were they ever really together?

Well, the final 2 episodes of last season presented them as 'involved' or 'together,' however you'd like to phrase it.

And back in the episode with the FOTW Hunter, Gill-Boy mentioned that he heard Lana was single again. I took that to mean that others saw Clark and Lana as a couple for at least some time.

Take that for what you will though...

(Sure has been a long time since I posted here!)

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by hanumang
(Sure has been a long time since I posted here!)

When I saw you were the last to post in the thread I though, "Sweet! hanumang's back!"

Good to have you back again.

So what did you think of Revolutions? :D

Posted by: kyote

What I wonder is why the tires didn't pop or whatever when the pavement was so hot it melted?

jas

quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
Not a good ep, but laid some groundwork for Chloe. Of course Cosmic Boy ends up in a coma, but what did you expect? The heat vision trick was a good one, but I think Clark underutilizes that power. For instance, when the car was tossed at him, a quick dose of heat vision could have stopped the villain.

With heat vision, I'm reminded of a scene Alan Moore wrote years ago. Mongul (comics version, not Alex Karras :)) has royally pissed off Superman. They are wrestling, and Mongul has the upper hand until Superman just says "Burn" and the heat vision kicks in full force in the guys face. Also, see the latest Justice League cartoon where the bad Supes lobotomizes Doomsday with his heat vision.

Posted by: kyote

you forgot also that once again the person with the super powers somehow get's interested/involved in one of the two women in clarks life (either chloe or lana) and clark get's jealous/thinks their bad news/feels left out and tries to interfere. then, girl gets upset, gripes at clark. clark gets moody and acts like a whipped puppy but continues to prove their no good. girl keeps thinking clark is just jealous/nosy/stalking. then truth comes out and "oh clark, you knew all along."

jas

quote:
Originally posted by bobcarn
It wasn't a great episode, but there were a LOT of interesting things about it nonetheless.

1) It's about time someone chewed out Clark for constantly butting into people's business. :p They're in a closed carnival, and he happens to be there. I'd think he was stalking them too! Clark may have been right about cosmic boy, but Lana's reaction to his stalking wasn't a result of his powers. It was good to see her basically tell Clark at the end that he better get his act together, cause she's not waiting around.

2) Lana was not only totally accepting of cosmic boy, but thought it was "really cool!" That line alone was the best part of the show. It establishes how she'll react to Clark if he ever decides to tell her.

3) One complaint is that once again, someone else gains super powers and becomes bad. As far as I know, there were only two people in the series who had super powers and were good. They really should have a couple episodes where someone gets these powers and actually uses them in beneficial ways.

It was established in Superman's history that his early childhood sweetheart was Lana Lang. Some versions of his history also have her knowing about his identity. In the cartoon, she just put two and two together and didn't know until he was in Metropolis as Superman. But seeing as she's so close to him and is now obviously accepting of super powers, I wonder if during the season he will ever tell her about his abilities. Their romance is turning into a one-trick pony the producers are using. She wants him, he wants her, he won't confide in her and pushes her away. I have trouble thinking the series will continue to use this plot device much longer. Another plausible (and in my opinion, more sensible) plot device could be that he does indeed confide in her, and they start to actually have a romance, but then have relationship troubles down the road, leading them to an eventual breakup. There relationship as it currently stands has very little left to explore, by confiding in her, it opens up new doors. It would be much more interesting to see how a couple tries to reconcile the fact that one of them is alien and superpowered than it is to just watch them perpetually almost get together.

Posted by: hanumang

quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc
When I saw you were the last to post in the thread I though, "Sweet! hanumang's back!"

Good to have you back again.

Thanks man! :D

Life has been chaotic, to say the least. In fact, I haven't even had a chance to check out Revolutions yet.

The short of it: my friend and I started a production company -- we produce a small TV show on a UHF channel. And I have no life anymore because I'm always working.

Posted by: drew2k

quote:
Originally posted by bobcarn
It would be much more interesting to see how a couple tries to reconcile the fact that one of them is alien and superpowered than it is to just watch them perpetually almost get together.

Roswell tried the alien (Max) with human (Liz) romance, and really only handled it well for one season. Of course there were a whole different set of circumstances surrounding their difficulties staying together, IMHO the biggest being the producers got cold feet, but I don't think I want to see Clark reveal his secret to Lana. What I could see one day, is Lana accidentally witnessing Clark's powers unobserved, but being so shocked that she never tells anyone about it, especially not telling Clark what she knows. It would force her to look at Clark differently, yet again, and add a definite wrinkle to their relationship.

Posted by: Philosofy

quote:
Originally posted by hanumang
Thanks man! :D

Life has been chaotic, to say the least. In fact, I haven't even had a chance to check out Revolutions yet.

The short of it: my friend and I started a production company -- we produce a small TV show on a UHF channel. And I have no life anymore because I'm always working.

Hey, you weren't forgotten. There's a thread about the show cold case wehre I mentioned you. (That must be why you came back. ;))

Posted by: BrettStah

If Lana did find out or was told about Clark's secrets, I wonder how the knowledge that the reason her parents were killed is because of Clark's big arrival would affect their relationship? Not that she would consciously blame him, but I can see it being a big issue that could be insurmountable to fully accept.

Posted by: MacThor

quote:
Originally posted by BrettStah
If Lana did find out or was told about Clark's secrets, I wonder how the knowledge that the reason her parents were killed is because of Clark's big arrival would affect their relationship? Not that she would consciously blame him, but I can see it being a big issue that could be insurmountable to fully accept.

I haven't watched this season yet, but I always thought that WAS the reason Clark wouldn't tell her, because he was afraid of being blamed for their death.

Posted by: BrettStah

I think that's one of the reasons... the main one that Clark and his parents mention is "Lana's safety". The think that she could be in danger if she finds out. (I guess the assumption is that if she finds out, and then others find out, she could be held as a hostage to force Clark to do something with his powers).

Posted by: Kylep

quote:
Originally posted by BrettStah
I think that's one of the reasons... the main one that Clark and his parents mention is "Lana's safety". The think that she could be in danger if she finds out. (I guess the assumption is that if she finds out, and then others find out, she could be held as a hostage to force Clark to do something with his powers).

Not to mention the "I'll put myself in danger, cause Clark will save me" complex that always seems to happen around Superman!

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by BrettStah
I think that's one of the reasons... the main one that Clark and his parents mention is "Lana's safety". The think that she could be in danger if she finds out. (I guess the assumption is that if she finds out, and then others find out, she could be held as a hostage to force Clark to do something with his powers).

Anyone Clark cares about would be in danger, including his parents, under that scenario, so it would seem a little flawed considering all of Smallville knows Clark longs for Lana. Heck Clark even cares about strangers, so any stranger is of potential use too. :)

Posted by: sschwart

Not a very good episode... I'm tired of the kryonite doing strange things to the freak of the week.

As for next week, we can't miss the last 5 minutes, according to the preview. Does this mean we should miss the first 55?

Posted by: jwjody

I thought it was a cool episode. I don't know if I've missed it before, but did anyone notice the black pants with purple shirt Lex was wearing. Isn't that sort of the outfit he wore in the Super Friends cartoon?

Or maybe even the comics. I don't read a lot of comics so I'm not sure.

J

Posted by: JYoung

Luthor wore a purple and green outfit in the 70's and early 80's
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Posted by: scooterboy

Avoided this thread until I had time to watch the episode.

I thought it was a stinker - phoned in - as someone else put it: another "freak of the week".

They were doing so well, too.

Next week looks interesting.

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)

the one shot of a straight-jacketed Lex in a rubber room is intriguing.

Posted by: smak

One of the problems with Smallville is that if they skipped all the "freaks of the week" shows, and just stuck with the main storyline, they'd get to the end too quickly. Obviously i think there's a finale to the series, and that's when Clark leaves Smallville for good.

Even though in the comics, i'm not sure exactly how long it would have taken clark to leave Smallville, from the age he was in the Smallville pilot, but if this show is going to go for at least a few more years, they need to stretch.

-smak-

Posted by: scooterboy

When they do finish up the series, I'm wondering if/how they'll address the "why wouldn't everyone from Smallville recognize Clark as Superman" question. In the comics the glasses bit was always lame and they don't even have that (please don't even mention the "incredible hypnotizing glasses" explanation).

And if they don't address it at all, well, that would be even lamer. If they come up with a decent solution I for one will be impressed.

Posted by: BrettStah

If they end the season before Clark dons the tights and becomes Superman, there would be nothing for them to explain.

Posted by: Philosofy

My personal theory: Superman has very slight shape changing abilities. In my head, at least, Clark is about 5'10", while Supes is about 6'2".

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
My personal theory: Superman has very slight shape changing abilities. In my head, at least, Clark is about 5'10", while Supes is about 6'2".

Is your last name Salkind?

It must be if you're just making up powers for him. :D

Along with the "hypo-glasses" :rolleyes: it's been said that Clark does change his posture a bit and slouches a little as Clark Kent.

I don't care. I don't need an explanation for the glasses. It's Superman and that's how it's supposed to be.

That's all I need.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

There is no explanation. Everybody who's ever tried to come up with an explanation just ends up sounding silly.

Posted by: allan

My explaination is that Clark sounds different and acts different. He slouches so he seems shorter, he wears loose clothing to disguise his build, and of course the infamous glasses. Anybody who's seen Superman close up would think "Gee, Clark sure looks a lot like Superman", but not "Wow, I think Clark IS Superman". Of course Smallville Clark throws all that out the window! At this point, when he starts wearing his blue underwear and flying around Smallville, everyone will say "That's Clark!".

Posted by: Philosofy

OK: another theory. The Spectre knows how important Superman is to earth, and so he mentally messes with anyone who's thoughts start to connect Clark and Supes.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

My theory is that Siegel & Shuster didn't think there needed to be an explanation beyond the glasses and spit-curl, and by the time somebody had second thoughts, it had become too firmly entrenched to do anything about it.

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by allan
At this point, when he starts wearing his blue underwear and flying around Smallville, everyone will say "That's Clark!".

He's not going to be in Smallville when he's Superman.

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc
He's not going to be in Smallville when he's Superman.

And everyone in Smallville goes blind? Sup spends a lot of time on page 1, pictures and all...

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by jhausmann
And everyone in Smallville goes blind? Sup spends a lot of time on page 1, pictures and all...

No.....

Remember, he doesn't become Superman the day he leaves Smallville (according to most everything written about him). There's 10-12 years in there. He goes from an 18 year old to a 30 year old. Time enough to grow up and not look like the boy from Smallville.

Do you think in the comics that Ma and Pa Kent kept Clark in the cellar his entire life so no one would ever see him?

Posted by: Philosofy

We're grown men. This is getting silly. :)

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
We're grown men. This is getting silly. :)

"Getting"?!? :D

Posted by: MitchO

quote:
Originally posted by jhausmann
And everyone in Smallville goes blind? Sup spends a lot of time on page 1, pictures and all...

Not to add to the further "grown man silliness", but i remember an explanation to this a while back in the comics ... Supes subtly vibrates his head with the superspeed thingee to prevent a clear photo of his face.

Posted by: Mike20878

If you go by the Lois & Clark method, he just needs to slick back his hair...:)

Posted by: drew2k

If you go by the Lois & Clark method, who's really looking at Superman when Terri Hatcher is anywhere nearby? :)

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by drew2k
If you go by the Lois & Clark method, who's really looking at Superman when Terri Hatcher is anywhere nearby? :)

I agree with that logic.

Posted by: JYoung

quote:
Originally posted by drew2k
If you go by the Lois & Clark method, who's really looking at Superman when Terri Hatcher is anywhere nearby? :)

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