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Battlestar Galactica 2003
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Posted by: Ariel-1
This review is a riot.
http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=16490
Major spoilers inside.
Posted by: dswallow
I wish this was coming to theaters so I could sell short on hsx.com and make a few million. The Sci-Fi Channel is an embarassment and has been that way for years. It exists as proof that Sci-Fi is to Science Fiction at least as much as Trekkie is to Trekker.
Posted by: Peter000
quote:
Originally posted by Ariel-1
This review is a riot.
http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=16490
Major spoilers inside.
This reviewer makes himself sound like an idiot, really. I'm not a prude but he sounds like he is reviewing a porn movie, not Battlestar Galactica. I know 15 year olds with better vocabulary skills. Not one to be taken seriously, IMO.
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
That's Harry Knowles, the Big Man on AICN. He's certainly the most insipid critic on that sight, and a candidate for Biggest Moron in the History of the Human Race. There are very few critics who are so incompetent, after reading one of their reviews I have absolutely no clue as to whether the show in question is any good or not...Knowles is one of them.
Part of his problem is that he has astonishingly broad biases, and he is for sale. This leads to breathtaking inconsistencies...e.g., he complains about profanity in BG, yet regularly creams his pants over Quentin Tarentino (who invited him to his house to watch movies).
Now, I'm not defendning Battlestar 2003. I'm just saying that reading Knowles' review will give you no idea whatsoever about the quality of the show.
Posted by: bicker
Indeed. Even with a normal critic it's always a bit iffy if their review will provide enough insight into whether YOU will enjoy the program. With AICN, it's almost a given that you'll get no such insight.
Posted by: drew2k
I found some of the reader feedback to the article extremely funny, for example: "what's next? Hot daggett-on-cylon action?"
I remember as a kid not being allowed to watch BG on the color-TV in the living room, because that was "Dad's TV", so we had to watch on the old black-and-white in the basement. (Imagine, only two TV's in the house!) Even if the reviewer turns out to be right about BG2003 being boring, I think I'm not going to like it for the simple fact that they screwed around with the Starbuck character. Starbuck and Apollo were best friends, both men, and it should have stayed that way in any remake. What they did is just pure feldergarb! (or whatever Starbuck used to say) :)
Posted by: Ariel-1
Regardless of the review, I think BG 2003 is going to be pretty bad based on Sci-Fi's previous track record. I will be TiVoing it for the eyecandy and to see if the special effects are OK. However, any die-hard fan of the series will probably be disappointed.
Posted by: timr_42
quote:
Originally posted by Ariel-1
However, any die-hard fan of the series will probably be disappointed.
Let me fix that for you :D
Any die-hard fan of the series will be P***ED-OFF. This is more like a cross between Terminator/Space:Above and Beyond. There really(other that the basic premise) is nothing like the original.
I will watch it, I think the effects might be good, I have read the "script" and don't think it is very good.
I just wished they would have called it anything other than Battlestar Galactica.
Posted by: Ariel-1
If they didn't call it Battlestar Galactica, then nobody would watch it. This whole mini-series is designed to exploit the nostalgia felt by fans of the old series. If they called XYZ, then the show would be worse than worthless; it would be a waste of money.
Posted by: purple6816
Why did they muck with the characters.? They ruined it for the old school people.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by purple6816
Why did they muck with the characters.? They ruined it for the old school people.
If, for a moment, I may step out of my role as the TC gay spokesperson...
Some closet case in Hollywood probably spent his childhood having wet dreams about Starbuck, and this is a way he can convince himself he's really straight...
:cool:
Posted by: jones07
I'm going to watch it and enjoy it.
Seem like some of you folks have made up your minds that you will hate it. So I'm doing the opposite ;)
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by jones07
I'm going to watch it and enjoy it.
Seem like some of you folks have made up your minds that you will hate it. So I'm doing the opposite ;)
I forget the guys name or even where I was living when I read his stuff but someplace had a movie reviewer who was very reliable that way. If he hated it, I liked it. If he hated it with a passion, I loved it. If he liked or loved it, it could go either way.
Posted by: Peter000
I'm going to watch it and LIKE it! No matter WHAT anyone says! So THERE! ;-)
Seriously... I liked the original series but was never head over heels with it. Speaking as a resident straight guy, I'd rather watch a hot chick as Starbuck than a hot guy (sorry dswallow ;) ). I like the fact that they updated the Cylons. The old ones you could saunter away from at a leisurely pace and still build up a big lead. I like political messages embedded in the entertainment. From the trailer I saw in the theater, the effects look decent. So I'm holding off judgement until I see it.
Posted by: dswallow
The trailer can be viewed here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0314979/trailers
While it's playing, right click on the movie and click Properties and see the domain name where the clips are hosted. Then go to that web site (just use the domain name) and see where you end up... don't do that if you're under the age of majority in the country you reside.
Posted by: drew2k
Doug - Is there a trick? :)
I tried the Real Player version, but Clip Info only has an IP address which I couln't get to, and the Win Media version properties takes me to TotalClips.com, which is under development. What am I missing?
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by drew2k
Doug - Is there a trick? :)
I tried the Real Player version, but Clip Info only has an IP address which I couln't get to, and the Win Media version properties takes me to TotalClips.com, which is under development. What am I missing?
Try this (direct link to 300K broadband Windows Media version): http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0314979...lay-E18445-10-2
They all play embedded on an IMDB page though, so maybe there's some issue with that in how you've got security settings configured in your browser.
Posted by: bicker
quote:
Originally posted by Ariel-1
If they didn't call it Battlestar Galactica, then nobody would watch it.
Perhaps not "nobody" but you're exactly right in that the name "Battlestar Galactica" has a value, a value that the owners of the name have a right to use as they see fit.
Posted by: bicker
quote:
Originally posted by purple6816
Why did they muck with the characters.? They ruined it for the old school people.
Or not. I can say with assurance that this fan of the old series would probably not have tuned in if the new stuff was going to be a retread of the old series.
Posted by: bicker
quote:
Originally posted by jones07
I'm going to watch it and enjoy it.
Seem like some of you folks have made up your minds that you will hate it. So I'm doing the opposite ;)
Hehe.... My tagline on USENET is:
People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.
Posted by: windracer
quote:
then there was peace and there was little po-dunk space station set up in the middle of nowhere, as a place for Cylons and Men to meet to discuss their problems.
Auuugh! A Battlestar Galactica/Babylon 5 cross-over! Maybe Zathras will appear, captured by the Cylons muttering "not the one" over and over again.
At least this article mentioned CG Cylons ... from the promos I was beginning to worry that ALL of them were "human" looking.
I have to agree, though, that this will be a letdown, like every other over-hyped SciFi mini-series, especially to us fans of the classic series.
By your command ...
Posted by: Mike20878
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Try this (direct link to 300K broadband Windows Media version): http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0314979...lay-E18445-10-2
They all play embedded on an IMDB page though, so maybe there's some issue with that in how you've got security settings configured in your browser.
Hmmm, seeing the same thing with this link - www.totaleclips.com.
Posted by: jsmeeker
I think I am going to avoid watching this... I was a fan of teh original, and I think this updated take will just piss me off.
Posted by: DreadPirateRob
quote:
Originally posted by drew2k
I found some of the reader feedback to the article extremely funny, for example: "what's next? Hot daggett-on-cylon action?"
The talkback section of any particular AICN article can be pretty hilarious, so long as it's not a Star Wars/Matrix/Lord of the Rings article. If it is, then the discussion quickly turns into a flame war about which series is better. The Buffy talkbacks used to be hysterical.
I used to visit AICN regularly, but it got a bit tedious with the lame reviews (especially Harry's - they're the worst. He used to be a pretty reliable barometer of whether I'd like a movie, but the last couple of years he has sold out, and what's worse, his reviews are nearly unintelligible).
Posted by: Fustanella
I saw the cable-in-classroom bit this morning and thought it was okay. It made some excellent points which warranted its education context, and the glimpses of the story and revised characters I got will tune me in for the miniseries.
I don't see the original series as being in any way set in stone. If someone wants to put their own current spin on it, fine by me.
Which reminds me: where else where the joysticks on the original Vipers used - the ones with the handy TURBO button etc? I remember knowing at least two other series (the one with the helicopter maybe) and one movie recycling those parts, but that trivia gland in my brain has been underpowered for a while.
Posted by: allan
I liked the original, I don't like revamps that change characters, and I don't plan to watch this one with StarDoe!
Posted by: HTH
quote:
Originally posted by Fustanella
Which reminds me: where else where the joysticks on the original Vipers used - the ones with the handy TURBO button etc? I remember knowing at least two other series (the one with the helicopter maybe)
Airwolf?quote:
and one movie recycling those parts, but that trivia gland in my brain has been underpowered for a while.
Space Mutiny!
Posted by: JYoung
quote:
Originally posted by Fustanella
Which reminds me: where else where the joysticks on the original Vipers used - the ones with the handy TURBO button etc? I remember knowing at least two other series (the one with the helicopter maybe) and one movie recycling those parts, but that trivia gland in my brain has been underpowered for a while.
I'd have to go with Airwolf as well although Airwolf's joystick was more miltary (and reminds me a lot of my Thrustmaster joystick)
I do know that the BG joysticks were also used (with alot of other BG props as well) in the Buck Rogers movie and the first several episodes of the TV series.
Oh, and Harry Knowles lost all credibility in my book when his review of the Phantom Menace read like an ecstatic fan boy's dream.......
Posted by: HTH
The short of the Martians blowing up city hall, San Francisco, was recycled into the pilot for V: The Series.
The nuclear detonation device on the mothership at the end of V: The Final Battle was also one of the diagnostic devices used on KITT in Knight Rider.
IIRC, there were Cylons in the opening sequence of The A Team in the part that credited Dirk Benedict.
Posted by: Fleegle
quote:
Originally posted by HTH
The short of the Martians blowing up city hall, San Francisco, was recycled into the pilot for V: The Series.
The nuclear detonation device on the mothership at the end of V: The Final Battle was also one of the diagnostic devices used on KITT in Knight Rider.
IIRC, there were Cylons in the opening sequence of The A Team in the part that credited Dirk Benedict.
I remember that. It 2as from Universal Studios' old tour that brought you into the middle of a cylon battle. It used to be one of the first things on the Universal tour.
Posted by: JYoung
quote:
Originally posted by HTH
IIRC, there were Cylons in the opening sequence of The A Team in the part that credited Dirk Benedict.
That was actually a clip from an episode of the A-Team.
If you recall, Hannibal would occasionally get work as a movie stuntman, usually as the guy in the costume of the Aquamaniac, a B movie monster.
This episode had the clients go to the Universal Studios tour at the front where the people in costume were greeting the tour visitors. They had Frankenstein, the Mummy, the Aquamaniac, and a Cylon warrior at this time.
The scene where the Cylon walks by Face and he half points at the Cylon was one of the better in jokes I've seen. :D
Posted by: windracer
quote:
Space Mutiny!
Ha! I almost fell out of my chair when I saw that for the first time on MST3k. I mean, using BG as stock footage? Hahaha! All the "real" movie shots were just guys in bad costumes driving around in golf carts, but all the "outside" footage is Vipers and Cylon ships ... classic. Worst part about it is that I don't think the 'bots ever mentioned it ... too obvious?
Speaking of too obvious, no one mentioned that KITT's front scanner is just a re-designed Cylon eye. Glenn Larson must love re-using that stuff.
Posted by: doom1701
quote:
Originally posted by windracer
Ha! I almost fell out of my chair when I saw that for the first time on MST3k. I mean, using BG as stock footage? Hahaha! All the "real" movie shots were just guys in bad costumes driving around in golf carts, but all the "outside" footage is Vipers and Cylon ships ... classic. Worst part about it is that I don't think the 'bots ever mentioned it ... too obvious?
I figured it was either too obvious, or they were afraid of getting into trouble with Sci-fi (mentioning another show that the channel carries). My favorite part was the fact that they had about 3 sets for the movie, including the warehouse/power plant that was complete with windows to the outside.
Posted by: HTH
They did do a comment about the effects, while making a reference to 2001: A Space Odyssey while they were at it:
"Da da da da dumb, crap crap, lame lame,
Da da da da dumb, crap crap, lame lame..."
And funny since Battlestar Galactica I believe got an Emmy (or some award) for those special effects, no matter how many times the same ships blew up over and over again.
Posted by: jones07
That was to save money.....special effects must have cost a ton back then. How far we have come. They could never pull that re-usage of the same film clip over an over again now days :D
Posted by: Jorgasnarova
quote:
Originally posted by Fustanella
Which reminds me: where else where the joysticks on the original Vipers used - the ones with the handy TURBO button etc? I remember knowing at least two other series (the one with the helicopter maybe) and one movie recycling those parts, but that trivia gland in my brain has been underpowered for a while. [/B]
The Viper joystick from the 1978 Battlestar Galactica was re-used in the Earth Directorate star fighter from "Awakening," the 1979 pilot episode of "Buck Rogers," which like BSG was also released in theatres. The ED starfighter was based on an early rejected design sketch for the BSG Viper.
Glen Larson produced both shows so this cross pollenating isn't surprising. BSG & BR frequently re-used spacecraft miniatures (Randy Mantooth's space shuttle in BSG "Message from Earth" is Buck Rogers' rocketship with a new paintjob) costumes, and bits and pieces of sets.
Posted by: rich
The whole spaceship and botanical garden concept from "Silent Running" were reused extensively in BSG.
Posted by: HTH
And keyboards on the walls? It must be the future!
Posted by: LoadStar
Didn't the motion picture "The Last Starfighter" also reuse some of the ships from either Buck or Battlestar?
Posted by: windracer
quote:
Didn't the motion picture "The Last Starfighter" also reuse some of the ships from either Buck or Battlestar?
Nah, the Gunstars in "Last Starfighter" were CGI, not models. I guess the Gunstars looked a little like Vipers.
... you have been recruited by the Star League to defend the Frontier against Xur and the Ko-Dan Armada ...
Posted by: Talon
Saw the show, Battlestar Galactica : Propoganda and War, I think its called.
I like what I saw. They have the same basic premise but have improved upon it.
Starbuck : Like her!
Adama: Like him!
New Cylon Girl: Like her! A lot!
New Cylon Ships: Not bad!
FX: Very nice!
Glimpse of new Cylons: Cool!
I think they are really trying on this one. Hope it turns out good. :)
Posted by: mcdougll
Anyone have a way to SP or WL this so you only get the 2003 stuff and not the old stuff? I tried a Keyword WL "Battlestar Galatica 2003" and didn't get anything. Suggestions?
Posted by: Mike20878
quote:
Originally posted by mcdougll
Anyone have a way to SP or WL this so you only get the 2003 stuff and not the old stuff? I tried a Keyword WL "Battlestar Galatica 2003" and didn't get anything. Suggestions?
Would "Galactica Olmos" work? Is it even on the radar yet (i.e. two week window)?
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
Just use "galactica" (you WILL need to spell it correctly), and make it FRO. That has worked for me (i.e., I've gotten the promotional shows, but not the old reruns). The first part of the mini should be in tomorrow's data (for DirecTiVo, that is).
Posted by: HTH
First-run only for me as well.
But what news of Tripping the Rift?
Posted by: Mike20878
quote:
Originally posted by HTH
First-run only for me as well.
But what news of Tripping the Rift?
What is it? All I see there are "interviews" with the characters. Is there anything describing the series (if that's what it is)?
Posted by: HTH
It was originally a short on the show EXPOSUR3 and was a parody of both Star Wars and Star Trek.
Some more links: Download Tripping the Rift, Part 2 teaser. Warning: strong language and CG nudity. I haven't viewed the Part 2 teaser yet.
Posted by: MacThor
quote:
Originally posted by mcdougll
Anyone have a way to SP or WL this so you only get the 2003 stuff and not the old stuff? I tried a Keyword WL "Battlestar Galatica 2003" and didn't get anything. Suggestions?
I did a "Search by Title" and there were three listings for "Battlestar Galactica" -- the "education" show, the reruns, and the miniseries. So I just set up an SP for the miniseries, and it didn't pick up anything else. There is no "2003" in the title listings. My SP currently is only showing two, two-plus hour episodes. I gotta think this mini-series is longer, no?
I did record and watch the "Behind the Scenes" show and I'm going to give it a chance. It does seem lame that they changed BOTH Starbuck and Boomer to women. Richard Hatch was certainly not happy about it. But Dirk Benedict was a good sport. I guess I would have been more annoyed if they wasted any time on Starbuck's womanizing in a miniseries, as that was the lamest part of the original series IMO.
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
quote:
Originally posted by MacThor
I gotta think this mini-series is longer, no?
No, it's always been two episodes...although it's also always been a pilot for a series, which I think they really want to do.
Posted by: Peter000
I noticed the timing of this program is really odd... 4 or 5 minutes longer than 2 hours for each showing. It kind of ticks me off because I can't archive it right to DVD on my 810.. at least at the "high" quality setting. I'm kind of tempted to put it on S-VHS then transfer it to my computer for the DVD. It'd probably be better quality anyway.
Posted by: Mike20878
quote:
Originally posted by Peter000
I noticed the timing of this program is really odd... 4 or 5 minutes longer than 2 hours for each showing. It kind of ticks me off because I can't archive it right to DVD on my 810.. at least at the "high" quality setting. I'm kind of tempted to put it on S-VHS then transfer it to my computer for the DVD. It'd probably be better quality anyway.
Yeah, I think it's 2:08 or 2:09. My TiVo is picking up the second airing at 11:09! The first airing is shorter or longer by one minute, I can't remember which.
Posted by: HTH
Actually the scheduling is refreshing, after time after time of Babylon 5 movie back-to-back reairings on Sci-Fi kept slipping the schedule.
I'm just wondering what the real run time is supposed to be. Varies from 2:04 to 2:09 depending on the timeslot.
Posted by: TRILIGHT
Starbuck -> Female = LAME!!!!
They could have screwed with so many other things that just wouldn't have mattered but they totally crapped on the chemistry of two of the main characters. Dirk's humor and irreverance was half the reason to watch the show. You're just not going to get the same sort of interraction between a male Apollo and female Starbuck (oops... StarDOE! hehe that cracks me up everytime), no matter HOW "butch" you try to make her. This is just another Sci-Fi mini-series (Dune being the other) where the production and effects are GREAT but the casting is right in the $hitter!
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
Anybody who thinks Starbuck being male is a fundamental part of the show has serious psychological issues...
Posted by: MacThor
quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Anybody who thinks Starbuck being male is a fundamental part of the show has serious psychological issues...
Amen to that! I caught a couple of the reruns (as a Tivo suggestion) and Dirk Benedict wasn't exactly carrying the show. His acting in the episode where Fred Astaire may/not be his father was hysterical.
I'm a lot more interested in how they handle Baltar.
As an aside, who (male or female) would YOU cast as Starbuck?
Paul Walker?
Ashton Kutcher? (He's got the 70s hair)
Posted by: DougF
If they weren't gonig to make some changes, there was very little reason to do a remake. They could have just updated the special effects at far less cost.
I loved the original. A big part of that was Dirk Benedict's portrayal of Starbuck. However, I can deal with a female Starbuck (along with the female Boomer) in the new version. Again, a remake without some changes is pointless in my opinion.
I'm looking forward to the update. It's not going to tarnish the original for me. It certainly can't be as bad as "Galactica 1980"! :)
Posted by: DPF
quote:
Originally posted by Frozen Solid
I'm looking forward to the update. It's not going to tarnish the original for me. It certainly can't be as bad as "Galactica 1980"! :)
But those flying motorcylcles were just so kool :rolleyes:
-DPF
Posted by: HTH
Gripes about a female Starbuck and a female Boomer, but none about a female Cylon?
Posted by: drew2k
Well, apparently no one wants to cuddle with a giant tin can cylon when a perfectly good sigh-lon is available! :)
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
Whip me, beat me, make me write bad checks!
(And no, I have absolutely NO idea why that suddenly popped into my head. 80s flashback, I guess...)
Posted by: Mike20878
quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Whip me, beat me, make me write bad checks!
(And no, I have absolutely NO idea why that suddenly popped into my head. 80s flashback, I guess...)
My memory fails... What's that from?
Posted by: drew2k
It's from a song, but the lyrics here (http://celtic-lyrics.com/lyrics/364) are not the ones I remember ...
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
I got it from the movie Eating Raoul (get your mind out of the gutter, it's about cannibalism!).
Posted by: HTH
"Boom! Shubba-lubba-lubba.
Boom! Shubba-lubba-lubba.
Hey there, hey there, three bags full.
You come here often? Yes, I do!
Dinner! Shubba-lubba-lubba.
Drinks! Shubba-lubba-lubba.
Kiss. Kiss. Kiss. Kiss. Kiss. Grab.
How do you like it so far?"
"Well, I..."
"I slept with you the other night.
You didn't call, you didn't write.
I think you did it just for spite!
Oh... yes... Oh, yes! Oh, yes! OH! YES!!
Tell me about your portfolio!
Oh! Yes! Yes! Yes!! YES!!
Lie to me about your family!
Oh, yes! Oh, Yes! Oh, YES!
Yes!! Yes!! YES!! YEAAA!!!
OH!!! Oh...! Oh...
God you're good."
"What do I do now?"
"Old style? You roll over and go to bed. New style? You go out for pizza and I never see you again."
Posted by: Jeff Edsell
Of course, probably one of the biggest reasons Starbuck and Apollo were both male is because Luke an Han were both male. One older, a wisecracking ladykiller, one younger and more earnest. One with brown hair and one blond.
I welcome seeing a new spin, including cast changes. I'm willing to view this thing on its own terms, and try not to compare it.
Actually, the reason for calling it BG instead of something different is probably less for the viewership than the financial backers. If SciFi (or just about any network, for that matter) were offering a new big-budget science fiction miniseries about humanity's last stand against robots, with lots of epic space battles (and hottie replicant spies to boot), I'd be all over it, as would a whole lot of genre fans.
But when you're trying to sell an idea like this to a backer, you won't generate as much interest with "It's something totally new!" as you will with "It's Battlestar Galactica!"
Too bad we won't (to my knowledge) be seeing the robot daggit. If I remember my behind-the-scenes info properly, its weird look and gait came from the fact that it was a chimpanzee in a robot suit.
Now for MY money, that's much more fun than CG.
Posted by: LlamaLarry
quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
I got it from the movie Eating Raoul (get your mind out of the gutter, it's about cannibalism!).
LOL, Eating Raoul is classic, I think we had it on beta.
Posted by: jones07
I'm really looking forward to tonights showing. The Sci-fi channel have really been pushing BSG 2003 hard, almost as much as Taken was.
To those Predisposed to hate BSG 2003 before even seeing it. And you know who you are. All I can say is, Give it a fair viewing.
To you Sci-Fi channel haters (for whatever reason) You will be missed ;)
Posted by: timr_42
I will watch it, but since most of the fan base feels that this is "not" BG, I'm very interested in the ratings for the second night. I think a lot will turn in for night one, but if it does not blow them away, they won't be back.
BTW, has anyone got the BG DVD set? Is it any good?
Posted by: Trent Bates
I got the DVD set a month ago. It's pretty nice from what I've watched so far! I haven't really watched much of it yet though.
Posted by: buffan
quote:
Originally posted by HTH
"Boom! Shubba-lubba-lubba.
Boom! Shubba-lubba-lubba.
Hey there, hey there, three bags full.
You come here often? Yes, I do!
Dinner! Shubba-lubba-lubba.
Drinks! Shubba-lubba-lubba.
Kiss. Kiss. Kiss. Kiss. Kiss. Grab.
How do you like it so far?"
"Well, I..."
"I slept with you the other night.
You didn't call, you didn't write.
I think you did it just for spite!
Oh... yes... Oh, yes! Oh, yes! OH! YES!!
Tell me about your portfolio!
Oh! Yes! Yes! Yes!! YES!!
Lie to me about your family!
Oh, yes! Oh, Yes! Oh, YES!
Yes!! Yes!! YES!! YEAAA!!!
OH!!! Oh...! Oh...
God you're good."
"What do I do now?"
"Old style? You roll over and go to bed. New style? You go out for pizza and I never see you again."
I heard this on Babylon 5 the other day. Is this what people are saying is originally from Eating Raoul, which I haven't seen in a VERY long time?
Posted by: cheesesteak
I never paid attention to the original BG when it was on. Looking at the old film clips, it looks like a crappy, disco era Star Wars ripoff. I expected to see John Travolta dancing in his white suit. I'm glad I missed it. I'm looking forward to the new version.
Posted by: LlamaLarry
As someone that watched the original, I was stunned to see what a crappy disco era Star Wars ripoff it really was when I watched the marathon on SciFi. I made my kids watch it with me and I spent most of it going "Holy crap, we sure did watch some lame TV back in the olden days. Hey look, feathered hair!"
Posted by: jones07
quote:
Originally posted by cheesesteak
Looking at the old film clips, it looks like a crappy, disco era Star Wars ripoff.
The FX was good for TV Sci-Fi back then. And costly, so costly that they used the same 3 or 4 space battle clips over an over again. :D
And yes it was meant to be a Star Wars ripoff:p
Posted by: Trent Bates
Say what you want about the original Battlestar Galactica, but Glen Larson has turned out many other disco era/80's era crap shows. ;) Buck Rogers, Airwolf, Knight Rider, etc.
While I was a big fan of the original as a child, I (like Larry) can see how bad it was. That doesn't mean that I can't look beyond all the junk and appreciate the show's good points.
Glen Larson doesn't seem to have much of an imagination IMO. THe show did get good ratings when it was on though!
Posted by: Mike Wells
So, did anyone determine when these episodes will all air?
Posted by: jones07
Battlestar Galactica 2003 ?
Tonight
Posted by: drew2k
Tonight at 9 Eastern, concluding tomorrow at 9 Eastern.
There's an article at CNN.com calling the show "divisive". http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/TV/...a.ap/index.html
I'm about to read it now, but from another article, Glen A. Larson thought the "remake" went too far and should just have been a new movie, not cashing-in on the BG name and history.
I'm now looking forward to watching it, because I have seen some good reviews, and really want to see for myself if I can live with the story revamped like this. I guess it can't be any worse than when famous stories are updated for modern times - you have an expectation and don't want to be disappointed. In this case, I've read enough in advance to know that it's NOT the same story and I can then be more open minded about it. If anyone missed all the news about the mini-series and saw it thinking it was a true-to-origins remake, they would be disappointed and probably mad, too.
Posted by: drew2k
OK - I just read the article, and it's the same AP article that I've seen in about five other places. Doesn't anyone write their own reviews anymore??? :rolleyes:
Posted by: HTH
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Originally posted by buffan
I heard this on Babylon 5 the other day. Is this what people are saying is originally from Eating Raoul, which I haven't seen in a VERY long time?
No, more like the Eating Raoul quote made me think of that bit from Babylon 5.
Posted by: Peter000
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Originally posted by timr_42
BTW, has anyone got the BG DVD set? Is it any good?
Mine will be delivered any moment from Deep Discount DVD. :D I was a big fan of the original series... fun stuff!
Posted by: Trent Bates
You will appreciate the the episodes appear to be intact. I haven't seen some of these scenes since it first aired!
Posted by: bprothero
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Glen Larson has turned out many other disco era/80's era crap shows. Buck Rogers, Airwolf, Knight Rider, etc.
Okay... Buck Rogers was crap... but I still like the show for nostalgia reasons and didn't miss an episode when it first aired. While not as good as Battlestar Galactica, it was still a space opera with space ships, aliens and rayguns.
But hey... don't diss Airwolf! I like that show. I thought they did a fairly decent job for the time.
Does anyone else remember the "Blue Thunder" TV series based (and remade) on the Roy Scheider movie by the same title? It wasn't bad although it only lasted 1/2 a season. They had to modify some of the movie, though, to make it into a TV show. First of all, the Blue Thunder was an evil "United World Order" helicopter/gunship with lots of anti-civil liberty high-tech. The 50mm machine guns were boasted for having low colateral damages (something like only 20% innocents killed) and the government staged an attack/rape/murder of a congress woman in order to get TPTB to approve use of the gunship above city skies.
In the TV version, the 50mm guns ONLY hit the bad guys, the high-tech gadgets were never used against the public and the name JAFO ("just another f-ing observer"), given to the guy that flys along in the chopper with the pilot, was changed to "just another flying observer". LOL!
It was on the air around the same time as AIRWOLF (I don't remember which one copied which). But I know AIRWOLF had something like 4 or 5 seasons (including the barely tolerable USA version without Jan-Michael Vincent or Earnest Bourgnine).
Posted by: super dave
Here is a review that was in today's post. http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/12833.htm
I have my TiVo ready to go. Hope it's entertaining. Here's a great pic of the killer cylon.
http://www.nypost.com/photos/ent12080383.jpg
Posted by: HTH
Blue Thunder was one of several helicopter shows to capitalize on the movie Blue Thunder at the time. Airwolf was one. Riptide was another.
Posted by: JYoung
quote:
Originally posted by Trent Bates
Say what you want about the original Battlestar Galactica, but Glen Larson has turned out many other disco era/80's era crap shows. ;) Buck Rogers, Airwolf, Knight Rider, etc.
Sorry but Glen Larson had nothing to do with Airwolf. It was a Donald Bellisario production (JAG, Magnum PI, Quantum Leap) which ran for three seasons on CBS and then there was the USA Network fourth season which is considered the Galactica: 1980 of the series.....
Posted by: JYoung
quote:
Originally posted by HTH
Blue Thunder was one of several helicopter shows to capitalize on the movie Blue Thunder at the time. Airwolf was one. Riptide was another.
I'd disagree with Riptide being a helicopter show as the Screaming Mimi wasn't the focus of the show. It was more about the three guys living on the boat trying to be private detectives.......
Posted by: Trent Bates
Ooops. I guess you are right! That explains why Airwolf was better! ;)
You know, when I was a kid, Galactica:1980 was "good enough" for me.
I also don't see Riptide as being related much. That seemed to be a Simon and Simon variation.
Posted by: Ian
Night one is only half over, but I've gotta say...
So far...
WOW.
Excellent design.
Nice tributes to the old show all over the place
More involved, in-depth story.
(Generally) excellent casting.
Can't wait to see the rest of it!
-Ian
Posted by: mjh
quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Night one is only half over, but I've gotta say...
So far...
WOW.
Let me second that! This show is good.
Posted by: Fleegle
quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Night one is only half over, but I've gotta say...
So far...
WOW.
Excellent design.
Nice tributes to the old show all over the place
More involved, in-depth story.
(Generally) excellent casting.
Can't wait to see the rest of it!
-Ian
But, but but... Starbuck's a woman!:mad: :mad:
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Posted by: bootedbear
Two words: KICK ASS!
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
Aside from better acting, better FX, better writing, better direction, better sets and costumes, and a more logical concept, the old-school fanboy geeks are right: the original was better. :D
Posted by: rloper
I liked it. Most of the good qualities from the original with (almost) none of the campiness. Of course, at times I felt I was watching an episode of "Space, Above & Beyond". But hey, that's a good thing to me. It could have been more like "Wing Commander"
It was a little rocky at first, but once the nukes started flying it came into focus.
Hope to see more of Number Six tomorrow night!
Posted by: Peter000
quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Aside from better acting, better FX, better writing, better direction, better sets and costumes, and a more logical concept, the old-school fanboy geeks are right: the original was better. :D
LOL. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Started a new spoiler thread! Galactica SPOILERS
Posted by: drew2k
I had a little bit of a tough time buying Tigh as a drunk named Saul, but got over that very quickly! I also found it amusing though how much like Earth, or I should say, the U.S., everything was: talk shows on TV, telephones (old fashioned ones, with cords), and even a logo for channel 7 when the attack started.
Other than that, I'm glad I posted earlier that I could give it a chance, because I really enjoyed it. If it weren't for human-looking cylons, I'd almost consider this a prequel - explaining how the "ragtag" fleet formed and gave up the 12 colonies. I can't wait until tomorrow now!
Posted by: mrcoaster
I was pleasantly surprised by the first 2 hrs. After all the drama and the controversy about it I was prepared for the worst, but tried to keep an open mind. I give it a "B" for tonight's part 1.
As mentioned, the first hour was a tad on the slow side, but it definitely picked up in the 2nd hour. This is not your father's BSG....oh, who am I kidding. I'm the father you're referring to when you say that. It's not my BSG, but as it's own entity, I actually enjoyed it.
I didn't mind the female Starbuck. Wish there had been more of her, really. I thought Olmos was pretty good in the Commander Adama role. I liked the character pretty quickly.
I'm out of town, so I didn't watch via my usual Tivo route. Thus I had to endure the orgy of commercials like all the 'regular' people - man, I hate that! Looking forward to part 2 tomorrow.
Posted by: Ereth
So, then, I'm the only one who didn't like it?
Zacks been dead for 2 years.
Apollo is a whiner who doesn't get along with daddy
Apollo has no sister
Boomer is a lousy pilot (that just really bothers me. Boomer was actually the BEST pilot, he just wasn't flashy).
Jolly appears to have died in the initial blast
The cylons fly the Batplane
Baltar is a dupe, a stooge, not totally evil and power mad
There's 120 Battlestars in the fleet, not just 12
The reason the Galactica survives is that the old curmudgeon hates networked computers and the cyclons attack computer networks
Humans created the cylons (they were reptilian cyborgs originally)
The new president doesn't even wait until the attack is over to order the military to stand down. She surrenders faster than Capt Picard.
Good points:
They still say frak.
Some excellent use of physics in space, using thrust to start in one direction then flipping the viper around while continuing in that direction so you can shoot behind you.
They at least used a snippet of the old music during the "flyby" sequence
The scene with people fighting to get on board the crashed shuttlecraft was very well done
Posted by: drew2k
You did know there were going to be some changes before you started watching right? :D
Anyway, they also used the original theme music as background of the tv talk show when Baltar was being interviewed.
I also think you have to give Baltar some time to find his evil ways ... there's always part 2 tomorrow!
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by Ereth
So, then, I'm the only one who didn't like it?
Zacks been dead for 2 years.
Apollo is a whiner who doesn't get along with daddy
Apollo has no sister
Boomer is a lousy pilot (that just really bothers me. Boomer was actually the BEST pilot, he just wasn't flashy).
Jolly appears to have died in the initial blast
The cylons fly the Batplane
Baltar is a dupe, a stooge, not totally evil and power mad
There's 120 Battlestars in the fleet, not just 12
The reason the Galactica survives is that the old curmudgeon hates networked computers and the cyclons attack computer networks
Humans created the cylons (they were reptilian cyborgs originally)
The new president doesn't even wait until the attack is over to order the military to stand down. She surrenders faster than Capt Picard.
Good points:
They still say frak.
Some excellent use of physics in space, using thrust to start in one direction then flipping the viper around while continuing in that direction so you can shoot behind you.
They at least used a snippet of the old music during the "flyby" sequence
The scene with people fighting to get on board the crashed shuttlecraft was very well done
As I see it, all your good points are good points.
The physics in space is a redeeming factor.
Baltar being a dupe instead of a willing participant is probably one change I rather like.
The networked computer concept is a bit of a stretch, however in light of everything else not all that unwelcome. At least it provides an explanation. However I cannot fathom them being permitted to be unnetworked like that, at least to the extent they make it out to be. Creative license, I guess.
There was, at least yet, no good reason or benefit apparent to making Starbuck female.
Until that stupid decision, the new president seemed like an interesting plot line... though I suppose there's still hope she see's the light, so to speak.
Posted by: DarkAudit
And once and for all they tell time in a way that you and I acn understand. No more of that "centon" crap when they really mean minutes.
I had to leave for work, so I haven't seen the last 1/2 hour. So far, at least :up: :up:
Posted by: Peter000
quote:
Originally posted by Ereth
So, then, I'm the only one who didn't like it?
Zacks been dead for 2 years.
Apollo is a whiner who doesn't get along with daddy
Apollo has no sister
Boomer is a lousy pilot (that just really bothers me. Boomer was actually the BEST pilot, he just wasn't flashy).
Jolly appears to have died in the initial blast
The cylons fly the Batplane
Baltar is a dupe, a stooge, not totally evil and power mad
There's 120 Battlestars in the fleet, not just 12
The reason the Galactica survives is that the old curmudgeon hates networked computers and the cyclons attack computer networks
Humans created the cylons (they were reptilian cyborgs originally)
The new president doesn't even wait until the attack is over to order the military to stand down. She surrenders faster than Capt Picard.
Good points:
They still say frak.
Some excellent use of physics in space, using thrust to start in one direction then flipping the viper around while continuing in that direction so you can shoot behind you.
They at least used a snippet of the old music during the "flyby" sequence
The scene with people fighting to get on board the crashed shuttlecraft was very well done
All of your bad stuff I actually liked, aside from the fact I don't agree that Boomer is a bad pilot; she was debating that with her boyfriend right before the hot cargo bay action. And the fact that the old curbudgeon doesn't hate networks per se, he was paranoid about the cylons doing exactly what they did. And I didn't see it as the president surrendering... so much as salvaging what is left of the human race. And what military? An outdated battlestar with about 10 vipers to take on the whole Cylon race? Retreat and regroup. But I do agree with you that the Cylon head fighters looked stupid.
And all of your good stuff I liked as well. I'm glad they just didn't have Baltar steal the old blind woman's number. And no offense... saving an old blind woman rather than a warrior? Sentimental but dumb. I hope at least they portray her as useful in some capacity.
Posted by: Fustanella
Very, very happy-making. I couldn't care less about differences from the original, but appreciated the nods to the predecessor. I think it holds up very well on its own merits. Looking forward to the second half tonight.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by Peter000
And no offense... saving an old blind woman rather than a warrior? Sentimental but dumb. I hope at least they portray her as useful in some capacity.
Or at least show the guy doing something worthwhile on the ground, or later getting rescued in some manner, or finding another way up to the "rag tag" fleet if that'll be an element in part 2.
Posted by: Peter000
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Or at least show the guy doing something worthwhile on the ground, or later getting rescued in some manner, or finding another way up to the "rag tag" fleet if that'll be an element in part 2.
Agreed.
Posted by: aepman
I really enjoyed the show. I was hoping for the best, but was concerned it would be a cheesy attempt to remake a show that was itself cheesy. I think it worked much better than the original. I'm looking forward to tomorrow's show.
Todd
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Or at least show the guy doing something worthwhile on the ground, or later getting rescued in some manner, or finding another way up to the "rag tag" fleet if that'll be an element in part 2.
And while we might "know" something about their chances of survival since Boomer is a major character in the original series, the decision they made was done at a time when their efforts could just be assuring the people in that spacecraft of dying spectacularly in an explosion. Just because they got in that ship doesn't mean they're going to survive... from their point of view, anyway.
Posted by: pjenkins
I enjoyed it, especially the space fight sequences that weren't just retreads of the old shows tired blow up the cylon with the same blast sequence :)
On Ereth's bad points, I don't agree with any of them :) I am going to see where they take it before judging, but so far I like the initial storyline, and am not holding to any prior BG geekdom :)
On the 120 Battlestars, where did that # come from? I thought they said 12...
Posted by: Peter000
quote:
Originally posted by pjenkins
On the 120 Battlestars, where did that # come from? I thought they said 12...
I think he means on the original series there were 120 battle ships. Though i don't remember that many on the original either. :)
Posted by: cwerdna
I had mixed feelings about the show. Obviously the FX and were a lot better and the show was a little less cheesy. Yay about not using recycled stock FX sequences! It was a bit weird how they seemed to shake the camera or used handheld shots for the dialog with the image stabilization being practially turned off. I understood that they wanted the camera shake feel during the CGI shots, but didn't realize carried through to non-CGI stuff.
Re: the 12 battlestars vs. 120. I was confused too, but at the beginning they talked about there being only originally 12 w/the Galactica being the last of that series. At one point, they mention 30 battlestars being destroyed == 1/4 of their battlestars.
I knew about many of the changes already from the "making of" shows that were on, but I was a bit bothered by the weapons used, adding of the nuking bits [more contemporary I guess], the whole electronic warfare, along w/them not using yarn, centons, microns, etc. and felgarcarb. I also didn't like the change in the relationship between Apollo and Adama. Also, where did these 1st names come from, like Lee? I also vaguely recall the original Galactica being like 1000 years old (millenia?), and this one is 50.
They at least said frak, used cubits and the playing cards looked right :) I did appreciate the references to the Atlantia and Columbia... I also appreciate the looks of the Cylon chick and Boomer. :D
Posted by: cheesesteak
Much better than I expected from SciFi. Really looking forward to the conclusion.
Posted by: SWFan
Did anyone else catch the Sci-Fi Channel's remake (part 1) of Battlestar Galactica last night?
I was apprehensive about it since SFC hasn't had a great track record with their movies and mini-series'. But darn it, I liked it.
Posted by: Evicted
I was out and had to Tivo it, haven't seen it yet... but one of the guys I work with gave it two thumbs up. Looking forward to seeing it tonight...
Posted by: retrodog
I too just tivoed it so far. As I will also tonight. How many episodes are there going to be?
Oh, shouldn't this be over in "Now Playing"? ;)
Yeah, with one of these threads...
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...threadid=143564
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...threadid=147367
Posted by: Ian
Anyone else catch the Trek reference?
When the ship carrying the new president approached the civilian liner toward the end of part 1, the captain said something like:
"Colonial heavy 798 to Civilian Liner 1701"
Nice, very subtle reference...
-Ian
Posted by: Trent Bates
quote:
Originally posted by cwerdna
I also vaguely recall the original Galactica being like 1000 years old (millenia?), and this one is 50.
The original Galactica was 500 "yahrens" old as mentioned in "The Hand of God" episode.
I'm glad they did away with much of the language differences and such. There were many aspects that were much more believable. I think it might have been a little better with less name changing!
Posted by: hughvh
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The reason the Galactica survives is that the old curmudgeon hates networked computers and the cyclons attack computer networks
I like that aspect of the show. It makes sense that a race of computers should be able to manipulate computers at will.
I went into this knowing that the characters would be nothing like the original. I like rift between Adama and Apollo. I also like the Chief in the hanger bay.
That being said, I give the first episode about a C-. Little stupid things bugged me. Like an old military officer making out with a hot Cylon without even asking a question. Or the fact the BATTLESTAR has no defenses against one missile.
I also didn't care for the camera zooming in and out of the action sequences.
Posted by: Fustanella
I loved the bit about the passenger liner changing to "Colonial 1" but I'm a geek for things like that. ;)
Posted by: pjenkins
quote:
Originally posted by hughvh
Or the fact the BATTLESTAR has no defenses against one missile.
that was a 50kilo-ton nuke :) the 'defense' is to shoot it before it detonates, they got 2 of 3....
What magical defense would you recommend against a nuke?
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
quote:
Originally posted by hughvh
I like that aspect of the show. It makes sense that a race of computers should be able to manipulate computers at will.
What doesn't make sense is that Adama doesn't hate networked computers--he remembers that the Cylons used the humans' networked computers against them in the last war, and almost won. So why on Earth (or wherever) does ANY battleship have networked computers, when their reason for existence has been to protect against the Cylon threat? I'm not sure 40 years is long enough for the national (stellar) psyche to heal that much, especially since the Cyclons have been out there doing...what? Nobody knows. Your worst enemy is hiding out there, and you don't get a little paranoid?!? I'm amazed they're not using signal flags instead of radios to transmit orders!
But that's a minor gripe, and at least I'm complaining that they were smart but not smart enough, not that they were morons.quote:
Originally posted by pjenkins
that was a 50kilo-ton nuke :) the 'defense' is to shoot it before it detonates, they got 2 of 3....
What magical defense would you recommend against a nuke?
And they survived the hit, so their defenses must have been doing something right!
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by pjenkins
that was a 50kilo-ton nuke :) the 'defense' is to shoot it before it detonates, they got 2 of 3....
What magical defense would you recommend against a nuke?
I think the issue was that the Galactica had NO defenses at all and was entirely dependant on the vipers.
Posted by: hughvh
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
I think the issue was that the Galactica had NO defenses at all and was entirely dependent on the vipers.
Yes, thank you. Shooting the missiles out of sky is good idea. So why didn't the Galactica open fire or use the counter measures Boomer had on her ship? Just one big ship sitting there hoping the Vipers aren't too busy to help her out.
I do like the idea of support ships escorting the Vipers. I also like the Viper designs. That least they kept those close to the original.
Posted by: jhausmann
quote:
Originally posted by Fleegle
But, but but... Starbuck's a woman!:mad: :mad:
[/sarcasm]
ANd the new Starbuck's more manly to boot...
Posted by: SWFan
quote:
Originally posted by hughvh
I like that aspect of the show. It makes sense that a race of computers should be able to manipulate computers at will.
I agree. With this version having the cylons be computers/robots/cyborgs created by man, it would make sense that they can manipulate other technology.
quote:
Or the fact the BATTLESTAR has no defenses against one missile.
I thought the Galactica was on her last day being a commissioned ship. Thus it would seem logical that all live ammo had been removed. Our own military does that now. Anything that is grave yard or put into a museum doesn't include live ammo, and for grave yard ships and vehicles, the weapons themselves are removed. At least that's my take on why. You'll also notice that they made mention of not having ammo and they were looking for the nearest ammo depot. Once they are loaded up with ammo I'm sure we'll start seeing the Galactica fighting back herself.
quote:
I also didn't care for the camera zooming in and out of the action sequences.
Didn't bother me so much, though it was noticable and if they didn't do it, it wouldn't bother me. :)
Posted by: SWFan
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
I think the issue was that the Galactica had NO defenses at all and was entirely dependant on the vipers.
I think they do have defenses, but since they were basically hours away from being decommissioned as an active warship all live ammo had been removed.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by SWFan
I think they do have defenses, but since they were basically hours away from being decommissioned as an active warship all live ammo had been removed.
Convenient to the storyline that the Vipers still had ammo, then.
Posted by: Jonathan_S
quote:
What magical defense would you recommend against a nuke?
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I think the issue was that the Galactica had NO defenses at all and was entirely dependant on the vipers.
I assume that the Galactica has a number of onboard weapon systems that could be used in an anti-missile role, however it was made pretty clear that there was no ammo onboard (except for the vipers). Galactica was being decommissioned and turned into a museum so all the ammo had been offloaded long before the ceremony. That is why Adama was so interested in getting to an ammo dump; the galactica is practically defenseless until they can load some ammo and get its onboard weapons back online.
Posted by: Trent Bates
Just because a retiring aircraft carrier doesn't have ammo doesn't mean that the planes presently aboard are all empty too.
Posted by: Ereth
Well, yes, they did say that 30 Battlestars were destroyed in one attack and that was "a quarter of the fleet", so that means 120 Battlestars.
So here's a question: If the ship is being retired, turned into a museum, TODAY, why is there a woman trying to convince them to upgrade their computer systems? Museum ships are maintained as they were, for historical interest, and this ship had no need of systems upgraded with less than one day left in the fleet.
Posted by: Fustanella
I can imagine the commission on a battlestar-wide network upgrade would be worth a bit of sweet-talking, even if it were a long shot.
Posted by: whitson77
Ereth quit using your brain. :D
1. We haven't cured breast cancer for some reason, yet we can make hyper light jumps.
2. Nukes. We are still using nukes! What the heck.
I still liked it...even though those things were driving me crazy.
Posted by: drew2k
You really want to get technical? :D Were they anywhere near Earth? Then why did they keep mentioning the solar system? Should have been "star system" or "Kobol system" (if Kobol is indeed even their star's name.)
I just chose to ignore this, and not let it get in the way of the story. :cool:
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
quote:
Originally posted by drew2k
You really want to get technical? :D Were they anywhere near Earth? Then why did they keep mentioning the solar system? Should have been "star system" or "Kobol system" (if Kobol is indeed even their star's name.)
Actually, I don't have a problem with that. Sol is Latin for sun, so Solar System would be the local system, and Stellar System would be somewhere else. Unless you expect people to say, "What time does the star rise tomorrow?" :D
Posted by: SWFan
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Convenient to the storyline that the Vipers still had ammo, then.
My take on that is that the Raptors used the same ammo as the Vipers, so they were able to load the old Vipers up with Raptor ammo.
I figure the Raptors were not being decommissioned along with the Galactica, but would be re-deployed with other ships afterwards, so they had to keep them operational, thus having ammo around.
I am curious how the story will play out since they've shown the Raptors will not work well against the Cylons. The Vipers would be a limited source of ships since they appear to have been decommissioned themselves, which would result in a limited supply.
Posted by: SWFan
quote:
Originally posted by Ereth
So here's a question: If the ship is being retired, turned into a museum, TODAY, why is there a woman trying to convince them to upgrade their computer systems? Museum ships are maintained as they were, for historical interest, and this ship had no need of systems upgraded with less than one day left in the fleet.
Because the Galactica was going to be converted into a museum with classrooms on it. She was asking for a network to connect all the planned classrooms together.
However, it still puzzled me why the commander of a retired ship would care whether the ship was susceptible to enemy attack, ie. his opposition to installing networked computers onboard.
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
quote:
Originally posted by SWFan
However, it still puzzled me why the commander of a retired ship would care whether the ship was susceptible to enemy attack, ie. his opposition to installing networked computers onboard.
I thought it was a case of "Not on my watch!"
Posted by: hughvh
quote:
Originally posted by SWFan
I think they do have defenses, but since they were basically hours away from being decommissioned as an active warship all live ammo had been removed.
Good point, I didn't think about that.
Posted by: Jonathan_S
quote:
I thought it was a case of "Not on my watch!"
That was the feel I got from it too. They can network the ship all they like once they control it, but he'd never trusted networked computers on a warship before and had no reason to compromise now. They could wait until it was actually decommissioned and he was no longer in command.
quote:
I am curious how the story will play out since they've shown the Raptors will not work well against the Cylons. The Vipers would be a limited source of ships since they appear to have been decommissioned themselves, which would result in a limited supply.
I thought the raptor was the transport ship Boomer was flying. The difference was the new vipers and the old vipers. All the new vipers were knocked out by the cylons, Apollo's old vipers was also knocked out, but the other old vipers weren't.
I think that the cylon chick who got access to the defense mainframe infected it with a trojan horse or virus, that the cylon ships triggered when the got close to the human vessels. (For the battlestars it was in the new networked computer system). That is why the new vipers shut down before the could engage in combat. I'm betting that Apollo's old viper had had its computers upgraded because of its planned use in the flyby ceremony, but the museum vipers didn't, which is why his was knocked out and the others weren't.
Presumably any new vipers that could be recovered and disinfected would work fine against the cylons. But I doubt many (any) survived the surprise attack.
Posted by: jhausmann
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Convenient to the storyline that the Vipers still had ammo, then.
The vipers weren't decomissioned....
Posted by: jhausmann
quote:
Originally posted by Ereth
Well, yes, they did say that 30 Battlestars were destroyed in one attack and that was "a quarter of the fleet", so that means 120 Battlestars.
So here's a question: If the ship is being retired, turned into a museum, TODAY, why is there a woman trying to convince them to upgrade their computer systems? Museum ships are maintained as they were, for historical interest, and this ship had no need of systems upgraded with less than one day left in the fleet.
She wasn't. She wanted to establish a link to other computers, on a computer brought by her entourage, for the benefit of teachers, so that they might see the ceremony.
Posted by: Trent Bates
quote:
Originally posted by Jonathan_S
I'm betting that Apollo's old viper had had its computers upgraded because of its planned use in the flyby ceremony, but the museum vipers didn't, which is why his was knocked out and the others weren't.
I'll have to go back and watch it again, but, I don't think Apollo's Viper was knocked out by the Cylons electronically. It seemed to have been hit by some debris after blowing up a Cylon ship. The old Vipers don't appear to be affected by the Cylons.
I just watched it again and I believe that they were depicting an EMP from the explosion that disabled the Viper.
Posted by: JPriller
I thought I noticed something else about the Vipers being disabled - Starbuck's wasn't effected but I thought the other museum-piece Vipers were (I could be wrong). They'd had to pull a relay or something on hers to get it in the air, so maybe that's the "secret" to making Vipers Cylon-jamming-proof.
Posted by: ZikZak
I just finished watching it. I can't believe that Skiffy did something right!
It was good--- very good. The scenes of Baltar watching the news reports of the initial attack and confusion were particularly effective, I thought.
In the dialogue about the "previous ceylon war" it was pretty clear they were talking about the original series, too.
The questions about munitions aboard the Galactica were actually adressed specifically in the program, and quite completely. I'm surprised to read discussion of it here. I thought it was made particularly clear that Galactica itself was essentially defenseless, having had all live ammo removed.
Looking forward to Part 2!
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
quote:
Originally posted by ZikZak
In the dialogue about the "previous ceylon war" it was pretty clear they were talking about the original series, too.
Well, not literally, since this takes place BEFORE the original series. But clearly they were quietly shouting out to the old-school geeks...
Posted by: ZikZak
quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Well, not literally, since this takes place BEFORE the original series. But clearly they were quietly shouting out to the old-school geeks...
Yep, that's what I meant. :)
Posted by: Ereth
I have to admit that I enjoyed the second episode much more than the first.
I just wish the uniforms were more interesting. They had those cool jackets before, now they have bland flight suits and Babylon 5 cast off uniforms.
But the show itself was MUCH more enjoyable than I thought it would be. I'm definitely looking forward to tomorrow night.
Posted by: etsolow
What's tomorrow night?
Posted by: shooba
quote:
Originally posted by Ereth
But the show itself was MUCH more enjoyable than I thought it would be. I'm definitely looking forward to tomorrow night.
What's tomorrow night? I only see two episodes total(much to my dismay!). Kind of a pain not having Pt.1 etc in the descriptions. Lol and the scifi web page is overloaded! edit: bah, only 2 episodes to this. Hope they make more.
Posted by: Trent Bates
What's tomorrow night? That was it. There is no more. :( (I'd gladly be wrong! I don't think I am though.)
JPriller,
I get the impression that they were just having trouble with Starbuck's viper because it was old. I didn't see that they had to remove something from each one.
These comments remind me of a debate my childhood friend and I had during the first few episodes of the 1979 series. He heard Adama say that Starbuck was like a son to him and took it to mean that Starbuck was also his son. I didn't see it that way. It's interesting how different perceptions can be when people watch the same show!
I'd say that this new version has some real potential! If they do make a series out of it, it could/should do well! The ending was quite a shock even though someone mentioned it earlier!
[Edit]
When I wrote, "What's tomorrow night?" I had no idea that someone else had replied with the same question! ;)
Posted by: shooba
Found this on the scifi web site, but it's dated Oct 13, 2003.
in "Ask David Eick"
Q: Will you and Ronald D. Moore stay on the show if it becomes a regular series?
A: Our roles will be different than on the miniseries, but it's looking like we will both remain deeply involved in a potential series. As I have transitioned from a term-deal producer at Universal into a studio executive, I will continue to oversee the series in much the same way, but more from an "overview" perspective than day-to-day, "on the ground." And while Ron was juggling the launch of [the HBO series] Carnivale along with the miniseries, we are now working toward bringing him back to Universal so that if a series is launched, he'll be on hand to run it. And I'll be able to boss him around. Finally.
Q: Will Boxey appear in the series?
A: In some cases, it remains to be seen exactly which characters will make the transition from miniseries to series regulars. However, we couldn't have been happier with the actor we chose to play Boxey, and I know if there is a series we will attempt to make room for him.
So there was optimism as of 2 months ago!
Ken
Posted by: drew2k
I enjoyed the two part remake of BSG, but was just a little disappointed at how it ended.
The one question I was hoping would be answered, in a cliffhanger type ending, was this: Why after 40 years did the Cylons suddenly decide to wipe out the humans? Either I overlooked it, or it was never explained.
Some other reflections now that it's over:
There was one surprise at the end about who may be leading the human-looking cylon models.Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Among all of the models at the space station, there was exactly one Boomer (Sharon) model. The others had multiples. After the Boomer model spoke, the others responded "By your command." I would take that to mean she has seniority. I guess she's in charge!
I thought it was also interesting that Boxey did not get paired with Apollo, so it was one more departure from the original.
Regarding "borrowing", recently discussed in the "end of Enterprise" thread, did the modern metal Cylons remind anyone of Terminator skeletons? And was the swearing in ceremony in Part 1 deliberately posed to look like LBJ's real-life swearing in on the plane in '63? That scene kind of spooked me a little.
I'm king of hoping this becomes a series, but I bet it'd be an expensive one.
Posted by: aepman
Well, I was certainly impressed with the miniseries. I was concerned it would start out strong the first night then fall off on the second night (like, I feel, last year's Taken did between weeks 1 and 2).
While a regular series may be good, I think a series of movies would be better. A regular series normally lightens up too much for my taste.
Todd
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
quote:
Originally posted by drew2k
The one question I was hoping would be answered, in a cliffhanger type ending, was this: Why after 40 years did the Cylons suddenly decide to wipe out the humans? Either I overlooked it, or it was never explained.
Presumably because that's how long it took them to prepare. They didn't want to lose again (from their perspective, they lost the first war by not winning), so they rebuilt their military and improved their technology until they felt they could do the job right.
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
By the way...
http://www.syfyportal.com/article.php?id=1214
Early indications are that the ratings for Part 1 were better than expected, and there's buzz that if the ratings held for night 2, the chances for a series are good.
Posted by: JPriller
I was never a BG geek in the 70's so the things like making Starbuck female don't bother me, so I thought it was pretty true to the series. In the original there's been a long war and the Cylons launch a surprise attack during the truce-signing ceremony, in this one they surprise attack 40 years after the truce. To me that and the existance of human-looking Cyclons are the biggest changes, not some character's gender. :)
Anyway it did not suck. If they decide to make a series out of it, I'd watch it.
Posted by: dswallow
I'd rather see such a series on a channel like Showtime so it'd be in HD.
Posted by: Rcrew
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Some closet case in Hollywood probably spent his childhood having wet dreams about Starbuck, and this is a way he can convince himself he's really straight...
:cool:
LOL, LOL!!
Just watched the first 2 hour show last night, and was catching up here. I'm still chuckling, thanks Doug for my morning laugh!
Posted by: vman41
quote:
Originally posted by drew2k
Regarding "borrowing", recently discussed in the "end of Enterprise" thread, did the modern metal Cylons remind anyone of Terminator skeletons? And was the swearing in ceremony in Part 1 deliberately posed to look like LBJ's real-life swearing in on the plane in '63? That scene kind of spooked me a little.
The only resonance like that I got during the show was the scene where the little girl was left behind on the conservatory ship. For some reason it reminded me of the famous 1964 anti-Goldwater ad (the one with the daisy).
Posted by: Jonathan_S
quote:
I assume that the Galactica has a number of onboard weapon systems that could be used in an anti-missile role
And it turns out it did. Nice to see a tv sci-fi spaceship that actually carries a decent point defense weapon system.
Also I noticed that there were a few of the later mark 7 vipers engaged in the final firefight, so I guess that they did manage to purge their systems of the CNP program and its associated backdoors.
Posted by: hughvh
quote:
Originally posted by drew2k
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Among all of the models at the space station, there was exactly one Boomer (Sharon) model. The others had multiples. After the Boomer model spoke, the others responded "By your command." I would take that to mean she has seniority. I guess she's in charge!
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
I couldn't tell who the others responding to. It was Boomer?! My guess is that she was the first model and hence in charge. That may also be why there are only two. Later models had better software, were blond, etc. :)
My problem is that how can one of those Cylons (I forget the blond's name) communicate with Baltar and NOT know where the fleet is?
quote:
I'm king of hoping this becomes a series, but I bet it'd be an expensive one.
Special effects wise? I may be cheaper than you think. When JMS did B5, he commented that the CGI effects always came in under budget.
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
quote:
Originally posted by hughvh
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
My problem is that how can one of those Cylons (I forget the blond's name) communicate with Baltar and NOT know where the fleet is?
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
It's not a Cylon communicating with Balthar; it's a Cylon personality on a chip inside Balthar's head. There's no communication involved; she's literally all in his head. (And she's not on the Cylons' side, so even if there WERE communication, I doubt she'd be telling them much!)
Posted by: Ereth
quote:
Originally posted by Trent Bates
What's tomorrow night? That was it. There is no more. :( (I'd gladly be wrong! I don't think I am though.)
I thought it was a 3-parter.
If it's a 2-parter, I'm stunned. That show had no ending at all. What's wrong with Sci Fi that they build up and then just run the credits? This is worse than the way they ended Riverworld.
I'm horribly disappointed. The original 3-hour TV movie for the original series back in 1979 didn't leave you hanging this bad, and they already had a commitment for 7 episodes!
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
It ended with the set-up for the new series...
Posted by: timr_42
This was a pilot for a series. It was dependent on the ratings.
Posted by: HTH
I watched it with a friend. Everytime the new Boxey was on screen, I said in my best child's voice, "Where's my Daggett?"
They did use the word "dog" once, in the line, "...D as in dog...."
Posted by: Fleegle
Ereth, this wasn't a real mini-series, it was a backdoor pilot. They're looking for a series, but wouldn't commit unless they saw the ratings for the movie.
Posted by: jsmeeker
when will Sci-Fi channel re-run the "mini-series"?? I was a huge fan of the real BSG, but I held off in setting up TiVo to grab this for me. I don't want to be p*ssed off.
Should I bother watching it?? (note I have aoided reading most of this thread to avoid spoilers)
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by jsmeeker
when will Sci-Fi channel re-run the "mini-series"?? I was a huge fan of the real BSG, but I held off in setting up TiVo to grab this for me. I don't want to be p*ssed off.
Should I bother watching it?? (note I have aoided reading most of this thread to avoid spoilers)
They're running it Sunday night at 7pm ET-- all 4 hours of it sequentially.
Posted by: jsmeeker
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
They're running it Sunday night at 7pm ET-- all 4 hours of it sequentially.
OK... But should I bother watching it? Or TiVoing it?
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by jsmeeker
OK... But should I bother watching it? Or TiVoing it?
Actually you could just download it. ;) But yeah. Bother doing it.
Posted by: drew2k
quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
It's not a Cylon communicating with Balthar; it's a Cylon personality on a chip inside Balthar's head. There's no communication involved; she's literally all in his head. (And she's not on the Cylons' side, so even if there WERE communication, I doubt she'd be telling them much!)
To me it's unclear whether or not it's as you describe, or if it's just Balthar's guilt and the begininngs of psychoses. In the original, he was always just a little bit unstable, and it looks like they're being faithful to that. Maybe Balthar, being very intelligent, came up with the "physical" explanation to rationalize even further what he was experiencing in his mind.
Maybe the series will reveal a flashback to resolve this, but I'm not convinced one way or the other just yet.
Posted by: Ereth
Wasn't it interesting, though, that while Balthar picked a guy, seemingly at random, to claim was a Cylon, the guy actually turned out to BE one of the 12 models?
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
I'm not sure how random it was. If you recall, when Adama was making the decision to jump and leave the non-FTL ships behind, the reporter dude was VERY adamant about staying, which of course would have gotten the entire fleet destroyed. I thought at the time that he must be a Cylon, and perhaps Balthar, on some level, picked up the same vibe.
Posted by: Ereth
Yeah, but he also tried to talk Apollo into being in charge on the cargo ship (or whatever it was), because he didn't like the way the President was running things, and the President was doing everything the Cylons wanted.
Posted by: Jonathan_S
quote:
Wasn't it interesting, though, that while Balthar picked a guy, seemingly at random, to claim was a Cylon, the guy actually turned out to BE one of the 12 models?
Well to be fair, Balthar was trying to pick someone who would be a plausible Cylon, i.e. someone with access to important part of the ship (specifically CIC in this case), who could just wander around at will, and who everyone pretty much ignored because he wasn't part of the crew.
I'd say the choice was less than random. But even so up until we saw his suffering in the station I would have bet about 60% / 40% that he wasn't a cylon.
In retrospect, if you wanted access to the ship for sabotage / espionage purposes that guy wouldn't be a bad choice. (Assuming you didn't have time to embed a agent directly into the crew; which it turns out they did have...) now I'm just rambling
Posted by: vman41
quote:
Originally posted by Ereth
Wasn't it interesting, though, that while Balthar picked a guy, seemingly at random, to claim was a Cylon, the guy actually turned out to BE one of the 12 models?
Balthar explained his reasoning for suspecting him and made the deduction very soon after discovering the device. I think it was to help show what a genius he is.
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
What's interesting is that Blathar is now thought to have a reliable Cylon detection device!
Oops... :D
Posted by: JimSpence
I just watched all four hours, well actually only 3 when you skip the commercials, and enjoyed it very much. I could see from the start that it was enough different from the original that I just put that way back in my mind, so that I wouldn't have any preconceived notions about what should happen. Having that guys actually be a cylon was good even if you did have that notion. But, Boomer, totally came out of nowhere. I like it. Let's hope this becomes a series. As for a mini-series, I think they wrapped this segment up quite nicely. But, left a lot open for a real series.
Posted by: whitson77
quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
What's interesting is that Blathar is now thought to have a reliable Cylon detection device!
Oops... :D
What if Balthar is number 12 himself and he doesn't know it?
Posted by: dlperki
I thought these episodes were brilliant. I always loved the premise of BG, but the execution was horrible, even for its time. The writer did a wonderful job removing the "cheesy" element of the original show and gaves us a much better treatment of that premise. A great cast brought the characters to life in a far more interesting way as well--all too rare in the genre these days. Sign me up for the series!
Posted by: Ereth
Well, don't forget that the Original Galactica was supposed to be a 7-hour miniseries. It got expanded to a full season late in the process, and they rushed a bunch of episodes together. The 7 original story episodes are all REALLY good, and most of the ones around them are remakes of other stories ("Shane", anyone?). It started to get its legs towards the end of the season, but by then the cost had made it prohibitive to go on, so we got that abomination called "Galactica 1980" the next year.
Posted by: Jorgasnarova
Okay. The initial ratings figures are in. Sci-Fi Channel was hoping for at least a 3.3 share for each night; part one got a 3.5 share and part two a 3.8 share. So, in brief, Battlestar Galactica did considerably better in the ratings than SFC had originally hoped for.
The hour-by-hour ratings haven't been posted yet.
Edward James Olmos and Jamie Barber have stated their Galactica contracts expire on Dec 31st, so SFC will have to make a decision to go to series or not on or before that date. (Or maybe re-negotiate contracts? Is that feasible?)
Some BSG fans (particularly those who are thumbing their noses at the new version) are speculating that the financially strapped Sci-Fi Channel has over-extended itself with too many projects in development (among them "Tripping the Rift" and "Stargate Atlantis") and simply does not have the cash for a weekly Battlestar series at this time.
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
quote:
Originally posted by Ereth
Well, don't forget that the Original Galactica was supposed to be a 7-hour miniseries.
No, it wasn't. It was supposed to be a series of stand-alone movies (first theatrical, then quickly changed to TV movies). During production of the first movie (which was then turned into the first three episodes), they changed it to an ongoing series. I believe the scripts that would have been the next few movies were the two-parters of the series.
Posted by: Peter000
quote:
Originally posted by Jorgasnarova
Okay. The initial ratings figures are in. Sci-Fi Channel was hoping for at least a 3.3 share for each night; part one got a 3.5 share and part two a 3.8 share. So, in brief, Battlestar Galactica did considerably better in the ratings than SFC had originally hoped for.
The hour-by-hour ratings haven't been posted yet.
Edward James Olmos and Jamie Barber have stated their Galactica contracts expire on Dec 31st, so SFC will have to make a decision to go to series or not on or before that date. (Or maybe re-negotiate contracts? Is that feasible?)
Some BSG fans (particularly those who are thumbing their noses at the new version) are speculating that the financially strapped Sci-Fi Channel has over-extended itself with too many projects in development (among them "Tripping the Rift" and "Stargate Atlantis") and simply does not have the cash for a weekly Battlestar series at this time.
Interesting. I think they'll come up with a way, even if it means giving up one of the other series. I'd much rather see more of Galactica than (from what I've seen) the inane "Tripping the Rift." If the choice actually came down to it.
But there are other ways to produce BG it besides series. Made for Sci-Fi BG movies, for example. More mini-series. So when the have the money, they'll do it. When they don't, they don't.
I'd almost see just really good movies or mini-series come out of this rather than take the chance on a series, where the quality could quickly go to heck in a handbasket, both writing and production-wise. (Witness the original BG)
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
quote:
Originally posted by Peter000
But there are other ways to produce BG it besides series. Made for Sci-Fi BG movies, for example. More mini-series. So when the have the money, they'll do it. When they don't, they don't.
But then they'd have to negotiate contracts with the entire cast, and hope they're available, whenever they wanted to do a new mini.
No, if they're going to do it, it would almost have to be as a series, so they can lock in the cast and crew; this is the kind of show (with a strong ongoing storyline) that would need consistency to make it work.
Posted by: KLB
I've read a few 'so-so' reviews of the mini and it seems more then a few had that "... but I remember the old one from when I was a kid..." thing going on. (that lying hack Harry Knowles over at aint it stoopid news didn't like it but I think that has something to do with his "strange obsession" with Dirk Bennedict and that they would dare put a woman in the role of Starbuck)
It was a pretty darn good piece of science fiction even if it did come from the bastards at sciffy. (oh, and since it did well in the ratings and people liked it they won't do anything else with it because that would be what their core audience would like)
The way they got rid of the dumb names making them call-signs was great. The costumes looked good (no capes) and all in all I thought it was a great cast.
Olmos was great as Adama. The cylon babe was... well, a total babe.. but also good in the part.
How they handled Baltar was great. He was evil but in a way that made sense: he had to cover his ass but expose the gizmo so he said some human guy was a cylon...
All in all, I was pretty pleased with it. I'd buy it on DVD.
Posted by: chris1
quote:
Originally posted by KLB
How they handled Baltar was great. He was evil but in a way that made sense: he had to cover his ass but expose the gizmo so he said some human guy was a cylon...
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
He really was a Cylon. They revealed it in the final scene.
Posted by: chris1
I really enjoyed the new Battlestar Galactica. The special effects were great. The acting was good. Of course, as KLB stated, odds are it wont be turned into a weekly series. Scify has no appreciation for quality.
Posted by: rtype
Tivo'd but haven't watched it all yet. Are there only two parts??
Posted by: KLB
Chris - I know but I just didn't feel like adding in the spoiler tags.
I guess we should start a spoiler thread for this....
Posted by: hughvh
quote:
Originally posted by whitson77
What if Balthar is number 12 himself and he doesn't know it?
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
He's not, at least by my count. At the end, there were 10 Cylons on the space station. Add in the one that Adama killed and the one on Caprica (is she dead?), that makes 12.
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
quote:
Originally posted by hughvh
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
He's not, at least by my count. At the end, there were 10 Cylons on the space station. Add in the one that Adama killed and the one on Caprica (is she dead?), that makes 12.
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
There were twelve MODELS, not twelve Cylons. We've only seen four, I think--the reporter model, the Victoria's Secret model, the Space Station Guy model, and the Boomer model.
Posted by: vman
quote:
Originally posted by hughvh
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
He's not, at least by my count. At the end, there were 10 Cylons on the space station. Add in the one that Adama killed and the one on Caprica (is she dead?), that makes 12.
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Actually, I thought there were 9 on the space station. Plus the one Adama killed, plus Boomer on the BG, plus the one that died on Caprica = 12.
Why can't they make more human cylons? why just 12?
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
quote:
Originally posted by vman
Why can't they make more human cylons? why just 12?
Like I said... :D
But all this spoilery talk should go over to the spoiler thread, don't you think?
Posted by: Fustanella
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Who gave Adama the note saying there were 12 Cylon models?
Posted by: Mark Lopez
quote:
Originally posted by vman41
Balthar explained his reasoning for suspecting him and made the deduction very soon after discovering the device. I think it was to help show what a genius he is.
I just thought he was looking for a scape goat and the guy just happened to fit the bill. I was thinking that Balthar never actually ran any tests on him as he claimed and that the fact that he actually was a Cylon was just a bit of luck.
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
quote:
Originally posted by Mark Lopez
I just thought he was looking for a scape goat and the guy just happened to fit the bill. I was thinking that Balthar never actually ran any tests on him as he claimed and that the fact that he actually was a Cylon was just a bit of luck.
[Answered in the spoiler thread]
Posted by: KLB
can we start a spoiler thread? All this highlighting to read is giving me a headache.... :D
Posted by: DLL66
Where are all the nay sayers who were complaining about the new Battlestar?? Seems like they are eating their words!!! lol
I'm pretty impressed with this series..............much better than expected!
Posted by: TRILIGHT
I was one of them, DLL66. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. It really could have gone either way but I think they did a relatively decent job. They did a good job of downplaying the "Starbuck" change by not giving her as much screen time. Even so, she didn't annoy me as much as I thought she would.
I agree with what others have said about Sci-Fi being MORONS!! I would not be surprised if they screwed the whole thing up. Look what the hell they did with Farscape!! They just let the damn thing fall off the planet! Nevermind that they promised another season to everyone. Nevermind that the "final" episode had two of the main characters die with a "To Be Continued" at the end knowing damn good and well NOTHING was coming after! That show won awards and was the most loved Sci-Fi show on television! How do they treat it? They kill it with no decent wrap up and throw money at crap like "tripping the rift"! I like BG so far but I'm not going to let myself get too attached. Hell, Farscape didn't even have the "big name" actors that BG has and it got crapped on by Sci-Fi. I wouldn't be surprised if there was NEVER any continuation of what we've just seen.
Posted by: nuke
I give it a thumbs up so far. Pretty good intro and lots of premise for story. The religious robot angle is a good one.
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