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Survivor 12/4: Spoilers
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Posted by: Philosofy

I was hoping to see Sandra vs Jon in the swim challenge: remember their argument from earlier in the season?

Posted by: Tracy

For the rest of her life, Christa is going to be haunted by that flare hitting the wood of her banner and bouncing off. What if? What if?

Posted by: Avian

no kidding, even though I already know who the final three are.. the radio promos for the finale give it away. (on the internet somewhere) I was on edge when she almost won.

Posted by: Peter000

quote:
Originally posted by Tracy
For the rest of her life, Christa is going to be haunted by that flare hitting the wood of her banner and bouncing off. What if? What if?

I was dying... in the beginning of the challenge when Christa picked up the gun and didn't even know how to aim it; and she hit her first 2 targets and almost WON. She could have been faking her ineptitude with the gun at first... but I don't think so.

So far Johnny Fairplay's strategy is working... everyone wants to end up with him at the final two, since they feel he's a shoe-out to lose at the final vote.

Right now, I couldn't care less about any of the contestants, but If I had to choose the least objectionable, I'd choose Darrah (sp?)

Posted by: BattMan

I think Darrah flies under the radar to win it.

She makes Final three and wins immunity because she can balance longer than anyone else since she was a cheerleader.

No one likes Jon, and no one wants to see Burton win it all since he was voted out, so Darrah wins.

Thats all my thoughts and opinions though. I could be wrong, but it would be a first.

Posted by: fmowry

No one liked Richard Hatch either, but he won for being the best player.

Darrah apparently dug a hole and burried herself in it for the first 6 episodes because noone noticed here.

I found it funny that in the reward challenge, Jon's team was so far ahead but was struggling to move the boat from the beach to the water. I was hoping they simply couldn't budge it, given Jon's 68 lbs, Darrah's 80 lbs, and Lil's lack-o-spine for leverage.

Frank

Posted by: LooseWiring

Until this episode I have to admit I was one of Jon't fiercest haters. I disliked him for a number of reason's, mostly for kicking off Rupert and his homo-erotic obsession with wrestling.

But now, I have to admit, I think the guy deserves to win this game. I don't know if he is dominating the game so much because he is very good or everyone else is very, very, bad at it. The others, with the possible exception of Burton, simply do NOT have the grasp of the game that Jon does.

And I also thought the whole bit about his grandma was nothing but selfishness on his part. Now I see that it really is a useful tool in helping him towards the million.

Posted by: lander215

What had been bothering me about Jon (other than his being a total a-hole) was how was he going to convince the jury to vote for him against *anybody* else.

Last night it hit me how he's gonna do it. If he can get to the final two, he *has* to take either Burton or Lil (I'd say Burton since he's the only one he's held true to, plus he fought so hard to keep him from getting voted off). Then, when given his opportunity to address the jury, he's gonna look them in the eye, admit to playing the game to outwit them all (which he has, begrudgingly I must admit, done), and ask them:

"Are you willing to vote for Burton (or Lil) to win a million dollars after this person has already been voted off the island once before by his (or her) own tribe?"

I couldn't understand how he thought by lying to everyone (except Burton) that he'd be able to get them to vote for him in the end, but I think that might be the hook that would do it for him.

If he makes it that far...I'm still waiting to see Rupert pop up out of the dark and deck him while he's strolling along the beach one night. lol

Posted by: pkscout

I agree. Jon, it turns out, has played the game very well. Everyone else has been one step up from sea cabbage. What will haunt Christa is not the flare but the fact that she and Sandra trusted Jon again even after everything they've been through. They had a chance to get rid of Burton and take the upper hand and gave it up because they thought T was going to get Christa voted out next. Guess what, Christa got voted out next anyway.

I'm rooting for D to win but will be OK if Jon wins. Sandra has played too poorly to deserve it, and nobody who gets voted off the island should ever win the million. The only bad part is that one of the double elimination players may end up getting $100K.

Posted by: Steveknj

I think, if Darrah can win the immunities, she wins. Flying under the radar is one strategy to winning (I think Tina won that way). I said about 2 weeks ago, that Darrah would stay under the radar, then all of a sudden start winning the challanges and win. I think though, if she loses ANY of the immunities, she's a goner and Jon wins because of the strategy mentioned above.

What bugs me is this trend in these types of Reality shows. I only watch three, Survivor, Big Bro and The Amazing Race, and if Jon wins, it will mean the winners of each of the last contests would be the person who lied and cheated the most, not necessarily the person who was the most well liked or played the game well with integrity. If this is the way the producers intend these games to end up, eventually, it will turn off viewers, because viewers want to ultimately see the "bad guys" get theirs in the end. You can't tell me that the producers can't steer the game anyway they want by the types of challenges the contestants face at different stages of the game. It's harder to do in TAR, but in BB and Survivor, it's a lot easier.

Posted by: lander215

quote:
Originally posted by Steveknj
I only watch three, Survivor, Big Bro and The Amazing Race, and if Jon wins, it will mean the winners of each of the last contests would be the person who lied and cheated the most, not necessarily the person who was the most well liked or played the game well with integrity.

I don't watch Big Bro, so I can't speak to that, but with regards to TAR and Survivor, I'd have to disagree about the cheating. I don't believe Jon is cheating in any way, nor did Chip and Reikin (sp?). Lie? Sure, but, as you point out, that's an unfortunate aspect of these types of games (less so with TAR though).

The problem I see with the shows is that they aren't a true reflection of real life...if anybody lied or manipulated others the way that the contestants do on Survivor, they'd get the tar (no pun intended) beat out of them repeatedly (hmm, guess that ain't too good a reflection either is it? lol). This is a game, the players are playing within the rules (otherwise there would be consequences), and, like it or not, Jon has been playing *everyone* else perfectly...so far. Would I like to see him crash and burn? You bet...but I gotta admit, it would be anti-climactic for me....as that would definitely be the height of my viewing pleasure for this Survivor (since they smudge out the naked torso shots, lol)

The only shot anyone else has at this point is if the women gang up and vote out the guys...because D clearly is capable of winning immunity challenges (plus she looked great during the reward last night!...ewww...she's a mortician).

Posted by: Mikkel_Knight

quote:
Originally posted by pkscout
I agree. Jon, it turns out, has played the game very well. Everyone else has been one step up from sea cabbage. What will haunt Christa is not the flare but the fact that she and Sandra trusted Jon again even after everything they've been through. They had a chance to get rid of Burton and take the upper hand and gave it up because they thought T was going to get Christa voted out next. Guess what, Christa got voted out next anyway.

I'm rooting for D to win but will be OK if Jon wins. Sandra has played too poorly to deserve it, and nobody who gets voted off the island should ever win the million. The only bad part is that one of the double elimination players may end up getting $100K.

2 weeks in a row!!! they had an option to get rid of Burton yet, they (including Lil, Darah, T, Christa, and Sandra) don't have a full brain collectively between them... As despicable as the "She Died Dude" strategy was, it was a genius move by Jon. If he can work it to make it to the final 2, all he needs to do is bring either Burton OR Lil with him and make 1 comment...

"I am a Survivor. Burton/Lil didn't Outwit, Outplay, or Outlast me. In fact, the only people that they did was all of you on the jury. And why is that? Because after every one of you on the jury Outwitted, Outplayed, and Outlasted them, they got a second chance in a game where there should be no second chances once you are voted out. Does Burton/Lil deserve to win the million dollars? No. In my opinion, they don't even deserve to win second place, because they have already been voted out. I'm not asking you to vote for my integrity, but I'm asking you to vote for the integrity of the game. Don't allow an Outcast to win the title of "Ultimate Survivor"."

Bingo - with that speech, Jon wins... regardless of how much they hate him...

Posted by: lander215

quote:
Originally posted by Mikkel_Knight
Don't allow an Outcast to win the title of "Ultimate Survivor"."

Bingo - with that speech, Jon wins... regardless of how much they hate him...

Umm..yeah, like I said... ;)

Posted by: lander215

lol, I just saw the times...beat ya by a nose! ;)

Posted by: ybrew

So we agree Jon was Brilliant last week and should be commended for his lie?

Now if we can just get TreberPugly to agree.

Who was it last night that FINALLY came to the realization that they weren't out here to make friends?

Great ShoW!

Posted by: ybrew

Personally, I don't see a problem with the outcasts.

Rules were changed. Lil & Burton earned their way back in by playing the game according to the rules.

Posted by: lander215

quote:
Originally posted by ybrew
So we agree Jon was Brilliant last week and should be commended for his lie?

Commended for his lie? Absolutely not.

Agreed that Jon played within the rules of the game? Absolutely.

As it turns out, I don't believe Jon's Big Lie will effect the outcome of the game in any way since the other contestants won't know until they've already voted. So, it's just showing Jon's natural ability to be an a-hole is all.

Rules weren't "changed", they were just different for this season. Initially I think a lot of people thought it was a good variation, but I think as time goes on and the Outcasts are still there, viewers are less inclined to like it based upon the previous seasons and how it was done. Neat experiment, but let's not someone that's been voted off win.

Posted by: pmyers

Jon is playing a good game but he is being helped by nobody else having a freaking clue. I predict Dara and Jon for the final 2. I don't think Jon can save Burton again and Burton won't win all the immunity challanges.

Posted by: suzyq

I hope that the ladies, especially Sandra, are finally realizing how to play this game. I predict the ladies alingn and kick Burton off next week. Burton lost Lil when he wouldn't lie to her, and it won't be hard to convince Sandra or D to vote against Burton either, I wouldn't imagine.

I can't wait for the final and the reunion show!!

Posted by: ggambler

I personally would love to see some sort of reward challange where they bring Jon's grandmother as a relative. :D

Posted by: pmyers

quote:
Originally posted by ggambler
I personally would love to see some sort of reward challange where they bring Jon's grandmother as a relative. :D

nah...that would ruin the surprise of her being in the front row at the finale! ;)

Posted by: Bryanmc

Everyone will know about Jon's grandmother before the reunion show. There won't be a surprise.

Posted by: pmyers

well...I meant just the fact of her being there...not that her being alive would be a surprise.

Posted by: jradosh

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
well...I meant just the fact of her being there...not that her being alive would be a surprise.

(not that I'd wish this on anyone, but...)

It would be a classic bit of irony if the grandmother was, in fact, dead by the time the final show airs. No one would believe it...

Posted by: ufo4sale

If the girls gang up on the guys I think I would flip. They don't have a brain cell in there little brains of there's. I love how in this episode everyone had to listen to Jon. I think it's funny how Jon is the one dishing out the orders when Burton should be the one doing it. Jon is only one person and he seems to be controlling everyone in this game. And for that I applaud him. If the girls don't realize it by now that the guys are going to be first and second then there is no hope for any of them.

Posted by: jradosh

quote:
They don't have a brain cell in there little brains of there's.

:D (for so many reasons) :p

Posted by: fmowry

Burton is playing the game well too. He is a constant threat in the immunity challenges, and like he said, he's teaming up with Jon and in the end, Jon will be viewed as the bad guy. He did blow it by not lying to Lil, but since she's in love with him, and he was true to her, she will probably not vote against him next week anyway. While the jury can vote against Burton in the final two because he was an outcast, Rupert would probably vote FOR him because they both were dominant and were voted out the first time because they were a threat, not unlikable. I think Rhino and Savage would vote FOR him too. I think they're both of the dominant male mentality and wouldn't give it to a woman. Assuming he is not up against Lil in the final two, she'll also vote for him. As I'd imagine Jon would, since they've been riding an alliance since Burton came back. Too much is being made of Burton being an Outcast, IMHO.

Gotta be Sandra going next week.

Remember, Sandra voted against Lil so I doubt there will be an alliance there. And Darrah seems to be suspicious of Sandra so I doubt she'd ally herself with Sandra anyway (or she would have done it last night and voted out Lil).

Frank

Posted by: grecorj

As I read "Jon is a great player", I keep thinging of the previous Survivor -- it seemed a sure thing that Rob was going to take it all, yet he didn't even make the final 2. And Rob was a *much* better player than Jon ever will be.

Posted by: dschwab

quote:
Originally posted by fmowry
And Darrah seems to be suspicious of Sandra so I doubt she'd ally herself with Sandra anyway...

And rightfully so, after Sandra conviced Darrah and Tijuana to vote for Burton, while Sandra and Christa voted against them. It just amused me to hear Sandra trying to pull the girls together last night to go against the guys, less than 24 hours after blowing that very opportunity herself.

Posted by: LooseWiring

quote:
Originally posted by fmowry
I think Rhino and Savage would vote FOR him too.

Two Things: First, Savage was adamant about not letting an Outcast win before he was booted.

Second, Savage isn't on the Jury.

Posted by: dschwab

quote:
Originally posted by grecorj
As I read "Jon is a great player", I keep thinging of the previous Survivor -- it seemed a sure thing that Rob was going to take it all, yet he didn't even make the final 2. And Rob was a *much* better player than Jon ever will be.

You're right, being a good strategist doesn't guarantee you as the winner. And keep in mind who ended up winning that season instead of Rob, a young female who stayed under the radar and didn't really play the game until it really mattered, much like Darrah I wouldn't mind seeing Darrah win considering who else is left, but I hope this isn't a trend where these types of players get through to the end consistently.

Posted by: Big_Daddy

As someone who doesn't have any information on the final three, here are my thoughts -

1) Sandra and Christa were idiots for not voting Burton out when they had the chance. I've generally liked them throughout the game, but this decision tossed Christa (and probably Sandra next week) off the island.

2) The Jon-Lill-Burton triumvirate as the final 3 would be interesting. BUT if Burton and Lill were smart, they'd vote Jon off so they're the final 2 (assuming Jon didn't win immunity, that is) for the very reason everyone's discussing. In a contest of Outcast vs. Other, the Outcast will likely lose. However, Burton seems more in league with Jon than Lill, and I'm not sure that's really a smart move.

3) Darrah. If she keeps winning immunity, it could be Jon-Burton-Darrah. Which is an ENTIRELY different game. Again, if she were smart, she'd get rid of Jon and go up against Burton in the end. She's been a do-nothing contestant playing submarine, but she could win. So Sandra goes next week, and if Darrah wins immunity the following week, it's bye-bye Lill.

I have no strong feelings for any of the players at this point - except Lill, who's whiny and a pain. I dislike Jon on general grounds, but after last night's episode I have to admit he's playing the game well. Anyone can win IMHO - as long as it isn't Lill!

Posted by: Peter000

quote:
Originally posted by Big_Daddy
3) Darrah. If she keeps winning immunity, it could be Jon-Burton-Darrah. Which is an ENTIRELY different game. Again, if she were smart, she'd get rid of Jon and go up against Burton in the end. She's been a do-nothing contestant playing submarine, but she could win. So Sandra goes next week, and if Darrah wins immunity the following week, it's bye-bye Lill.

Interesting thought. Darrah is a strong player... the last two immunities have been hers. Burton has always been touted as the strong one, but the challenges have been equalizing. It's probably been Darrah's plan all along to coast along and try to hide her strengths, and hopefully come on strong during endplay.

Remember, there are only 2 episodes left! Next Thursday, and a two hour finale teh following Sunday.

Note: If you haven't done so, extend your recording of the 2 hour finale by an hour to catch the reunion show immediately following. Even if you don't want to watch the reunion show, you may want to extend it a few minutes so the reveal of the winner doesn't get cut off in the middle at the end of the finale... those shows bleed together.

Also, beware of football delays for the finale! :) There's a season pass alert thread about these issues. :)

Posted by: Frylock

I am sorry, but Jon is not some amazing player. He is part of the STUPIDEST survivor ever! The collection of people left in this game still must have an IQ combined of 10. Sanda and Christa being dumb enough to listen to Jon doesn't make Jon a great player, it makes them incredibly moronic!

Posted by: FourFourSeven

If I have to hear Sandra say "Burton is gone the next chance we get" or "Jon is going the next chance we get" one more time while voting for someone else, I'm going to scream. Sandra may be the worst Survivor of all time.

I think Jon has survived past the point where he was likely to get voted off (just after the merge). Now everyone thinks "Jon and me in the final two - I'll win." But if they thought harder, they'd realize Jon clearly wants the final two to be him and an outcast.

I agree with Frylock - Jon is not super-brilliant (he'd get killed in the all-star version). He's playing the game slightly better than average, whereas the rest of the tribe (except Burton and maybe Darrah) is clueless.

Posted by: dschwab

quote:
Originally posted by Big_Daddy

3) Darrah. If she keeps winning immunity, it could be Jon-Burton-Darrah. Which is an ENTIRELY different game. Again, if she were smart, she'd get rid of Jon and go up against Burton in the end. She's been a do-nothing contestant playing submarine, but she could win. So Sandra goes next week, and if Darrah wins immunity the following week, it's bye-bye Lill.

The more I think about it, the more I like Darrah's chances the rest of the way, at least to the Final 2. She really is still under the radar, which is remarkable with only 5 remaining. There really isn't a reason that anyone has to get rid of her at this point, she's not really broken any alliances and is being used to get a majority vote. Burton is a target as an obvious threat, Jon's scheming and controlling could catch up with him, Sandra is on the outside of the remaining alliances, and Lil is not only wishy-washy but now seems to be calling out Jon and Burton, leaving her open to being taken out by them or to jumping ship. And keep in mind that one of those endurance challenges typically comes near the end, something that Darrah is well-suited for. I can totally see Darrah sliding into the final 3 with 2 others that are planning to take each other to the final 2 (Jon-Burton, Jon-Lil, Burton-Lil) and then winning that immunity.

Burton is still in decent shape as he has a good chance against either of his alliance-mates in the final 2, and he's survived 2 votes without immunity, but these next 2 immunity challenges are critical to him. He didn't do himself any favors by not telling Lil what she wanted to hear, particularly after Jon already had her questioning things by "speaking down" to her.

Posted by: LooseWiring

quote:
Originally posted by Frylock
I am sorry, but Jon is not some amazing player. He is part of the STUPIDEST survivor ever! The collection of people left in this game still must have an IQ combined of 10. Sanda and Christa being dumb enough to listen to Jon doesn't make Jon a great player, it makes them incredibly moronic!

I would agree with him being a mediocre survivor if not for the Grandma thing. He really doesn't stack up against Rob from Amazon or Richard from Season 1. But he IS the best this season. He seems to be the only one who actually knows how to play the game.

By using his Big Lie he really did win alot of credibility with the others in the tribe. From the promos from next week and what we saw this week you can hear him milking the dead grandma for all it's worth.

Rupert could have been great if he had let his ego go and learned how to pace himself. He didn't have to be the best at EVERYTHING. It's a toss up between Colby, Rudy, Rupert and Mateo as to who would be the best actual survivor if this wasn't a game based on Machiavellian politicking.

Posted by: devdogaz

OK, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet. At least twice last night it was said by different players that no one wants to go against Lill in the jury. This makes no sense to me. It doesn't seem that anyone really likes her and I can't imagine the jury voting for an Outcast. Do you think the players don't realize this fact, or are they all trying to dupe Lill, or do they sincerely all like her?

Another Observation: What is up with Jeff Probst's questions at TC? He asks everyone if they trust their alliances. Like anyone is actually going to speak up in that situation and say, "No Jeff, I don't trust the people I have made deals with and I don't think they should trust me either. This is a game about deceit and at this point we are all lying to each other. We would all be stupid to trust anyone." While all of that is true, no one would actually say it so it's stupid for Jeff to even ask.

Posted by: jradosh

I think that they're just blowing smoke and trying to dupe Lil. :)

Posted by: pmyers

quote:
Originally posted by devdogaz
OK, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet. At least twice last night it was said by different players that no one wants to go against Lill in the jury. This makes no sense to me. It doesn't seem that anyone really likes her and I can't imagine the jury voting for an Outcast. Do you think the players don't realize this fact, or are they all trying to dupe Lill, or do they sincerely all like her?...

I've been saying the same thing at work this morning. They can't be serious. Nice does not win this game.

Posted by: dschwab

I think Sandra's answer at TC regarding Lil was one last attempt to throw the votes away from Christa, her only remaining alliance member, by trying to convince the others that they don't want to face Lil in the final 2.

Posted by: lander215

quote:
Originally posted by dschwab
I think Sandra's answer at TC regarding Lil was one last attempt to throw the votes away from Christa, her only remaining alliance member, by trying to convince the others that they don't want to face Lil in the final 2.

Yeah, I think so as well. And that only worked one time in the past, if memory serves me...but the opposite way in the final council.

My favorite line is when Sandra said Jon was "just another girl"...too funny, but I'm afraid Jon is too smart to be one of the girls on this Survivor (no offense intended, just calling 'em as I sees 'em).

Posted by: Steveknj

quote:
Originally posted by Mikkel_Knight
2 weeks in a row!!! they had an option to get rid of Burton yet, they (including Lil, Darah, T, Christa, and Sandra) don't have a full brain collectively between them... As despicable as the "She Died Dude" strategy was, it was a genius move by Jon. If he can work it to make it to the final 2, all he needs to do is bring either Burton OR Lil with him and make 1 comment...

"I am a Survivor. Burton/Lil didn't Outwit, Outplay, or Outlast me. In fact, the only people that they did was all of you on the jury. And why is that? Because after every one of you on the jury Outwitted, Outplayed, and Outlasted them, they got a second chance in a game where there should be no second chances once you are voted out. Does Burton/Lil deserve to win the million dollars? No. In my opinion, they don't even deserve to win second place, because they have already been voted out. I'm not asking you to vote for my integrity, but I'm asking you to vote for the integrity of the game. Don't allow an Outcast to win the title of "Ultimate Survivor"."

Bingo - with that speech, Jon wins... regardless of how much they hate him...

I think we just DON'T see everything that is going on, and from the outside looking in, it seems OBVIOUS that Burton or Jon should go and the women should gang up on them, but we don't know the little things that are whispered in the ears of the women by the men.

Posted by: IJustLikeTivo

I'm still trying to figure out if Lil is crazy like a fox or just dumb as a box of rocks. I'm leaning towards the latter but it is working for her. She will go to the final three but then it is up to her. And yes, Sandra is the dumbest survivor ever. How many times will she get burned before she figures it out.

I did laugh last night when Burton was terrified to talk with Jon there. I keep looking for the hole in his back when Jon puts his hand to make him talk. Think for yourself you loser!

Posted by: TreborPugly

quote:
Originally posted by ybrew
So we agree Jon was Brilliant last week and should be commended for his lie?

Now if we can just get TreberPugly to agree.

Who was it last night that FINALLY came to the realization that they weren't out here to make friends?

Great ShoW!

His lie about his grandmother is still out in my book. The only thing it gained him was a reward. People aren't sticking with him because of his lame "I swear on my grandmother's grave" bit. Heck, he told the people he really wants an alliance with that that pledge is a lie.

Lying about who you are voting for makes sense. Lying about a family member dying when everyone is thinking strongly about their families is just wrong. No game play validates that. I didn't want to get into this debate again, but since you invoked my name, I can't help but reply. My underlying point is that some things are wrong even when lots of money is at stake. It is up to the individual to decide where that line is drawn. I'd think you of all people would understand that. I don't require you to condemn Jon, but I do expect you to understand why many of us do condemn him. A million dollars isn't reason enough.

Treb.

Posted by: Mikkel_Knight

quote:
Originally posted by Peter000
Interesting thought. Darrah is a strong player... the last two immunities have been hers. Burton has always been touted as the strong one, but the challenges have been equalizing. It's probably been Darrah's plan all along to coast along and try to hide her strengths, and hopefully come on strong during endplay.

Yeah, but that strategy backfired on Matteo (Crazy Matthew from Amazon) last season. He played under the radar, went along with everyone, really had no strategy of his own other than let others strategize and use him as they saw fit, then, he thought he'd win immunity in the end and go up against a whiner in the final 2...

That didn't quite work out for him at all. I think the same could be said for Darrah. She hasn't done ANYTHING on her own initiative (at least up to this point that we've been shown) and, IMO, no "Ultimate Survivor" deserves to win without at least attempting to make a play. Lil doesn't deserve to win. Going by my thinking, at least Sandra (who Jon correctly identified to everyone post-Rupert that she was just along for the ride) has shown some scheming and plotting ability these last few days, and would be more deserving of the title than Lil or Darrah...

Posted by: Frylock

MK Crazy Matthew was also CRAZY. I think that scared a lot of people.

And watching Lil I don't get the feeling she is playing a stategy. She just is dumb. As is Burton, for letting Jon make the decisions. Burton is clearly a smarter person, but by listening to Jon, shows how dumb he really is.

Jon might win not because he is so smart, but because he is so evil and the others are so dumb. I agree you need to draw the line somewhere. People already aren't happy because Rupert is out. If Jon wins, I think less people will want to tune into Survivor. Look at Big Brother. No one wanted Allison or Jun to win, and they picked Jun as the "lesser of 2 evils". If it comes down to that every time, no one is going to tune in.

Posted by: Mikkel_Knight

quote:
Originally posted by LooseWiring
Rupert could have been great if he had let his ego go and learned how to pace himself. He didn't have to be the best at EVERYTHING.

Rupert would have been great if he would have realized what the game of Survivor is all about. Over and over, season after season, contestant after contestant - all of them have said it isn't about how strong you are or how much you know about Survival skills, it's all about personal relationships. If Rupert would have seen that, he could have gone far. He refused to acknowledge the inter-personal relationships with others and that was his downfall. I really liked Rupert until he had a couple votes cast his way. That should have been enough to tell him that he needed to work more on relationships. Instead, he yelled, screamed and hollared about getting a vote from Jon. BIG mistake Rupert. Do you think that you would go through the whole game without getting a vote cast your way? If I'm not mistaken, Ethan was the only Survivor who did not get one vote against him.

If he doesn't take a look at how the game is really played and change his strategy a little, Rupert's demise won't be too far off on All-Stars as well...

Posted by: TreborPugly

1. Remember how Sandra's initial strategy had been, "I'll vote for anyone as long as it's not me" ? I think she is sticking to that, and not actually making any strategy. When she gets a clear idea of a majority opinion on someone, she agrees to vote that way, regardless of trust. This is a good initial strategy, but she's blown it. I think last week she probably talked Christa into voting off T.

2. Did anyone else appreciate Lil's first original thought? In her camera interview where she said she might just vote against Burton in the final 3 if she wins immunity? Well, maybe it wasn't actually original. Maybe all the deceit is just starting to sink into her. Aside from being pretty dim, I think she is just incapable of dealing with the strategy and deceit going on. She really does respond like a 10 year old.

3. The only thing we can hope for is that people realize that Jon now has too much power, just like Rupert did. The three women have got to see this now, or they do deserve to lose.

4. I'll just reiterate that I will be disappointed if an Outcast wins. It is an interesting shake-up to the game, and I think if the players knew this was a possibility it would work, but I don't like that two people got back in, AND were given immunity to not be voted off right away. That happened when it was 10 left, voting down to 9, which means 30% of the winning players at that point got booted in one cycle.

Posted by: Mikkel_Knight

quote:
Originally posted by TreborPugly
I don't require you to condemn Jon, but I do expect you to understand why many of us do condemn him. A million dollars isn't reason enough.

Treb.

I am satisfied with your reasoning, but I also ask that if you're saying that "we" should understand why many condemn him, I ask that you understand that many of "us" applaud him.

Had this discussion with my wife the other night - I wish I would be able to do what Jon did. Purely strategic, I would like to think that I would without a moments hesitation. Would I though? Nope. (you can't notice, but I answered "Nope" without a moments hesitation too...)

I don't think anybody can argue that it was a brilliant strategic plan that, (while it could have backfired on Jon in a heartbeat if the producers had checked and let it be known to the contestants that Jon had asked his friend to lie about the death) surely outplays anyone elses strategy. Is it dispicable? No doubt in my mind at all!! But was it brilliant? Again, no doubt in my mind.

I think it was a great move on his part. Would I do the same thing? Nope. Do I think what he did was honorable? Nope. But since when was Survivor ever honorable?

Posted by: TreborPugly

quote:
Originally posted by Mikkel_Knight
I am satisfied with your reasoning, but I also ask that if you're saying that "we" should understand why many condemn him, I ask that you understand that many of "us" applaud him.

No problem, there are lots of popular scumbags out there.. :D

Posted by: hookbill

I too would be dissapointed if any of the outcasts win, having said that I would be just as dissapointed if Jon wins. I just can't stand him.

So I will predict that after Survivor ends will end up in profesional wrestling. He has demonstrated that he is a genuine heal an pro wrestling loves that. The question is what organization will he end in? The WWE (WWF) may have an interest in him but he is so small and they tend to stay away from small Superstar heals. I could see him going to TNA-NWA where they may take off with a story line about how he came from Survivor and thinks he's tough (blah blah blah)....That is if he doesn't win.

I quit watching wrestling but if he does get a shot somewhere and I hear about it I might tune in...Just to watch him get body slammed.

Posted by: dumbunny

quote:
Originally posted by Mikkel_Knight
Yeah, but that strategy backfired on Matteo (Crazy Matthew from Amazon) last season. He played under the radar, went along with everyone, really had no strategy of his own other than let others strategize and use him as they saw fit, then, he thought he'd win immunity in the end and go up against a whiner in the final 2...

Actually, Matthew didn't win the last immunity; he purposely lost it to Jenna because he felt that Rob would not vote for him if he won and then took Jenna to the final two. I think that that decision hurt him the most -- Rob still voted for Jenna and, if anything, letting Jenna win the last immunity made her look more deserving to the jury. Losing the final immunity may have worked for Richard in the first Survivor, where contestants were all about "playing the game morally," but now that scheming is accepted, it is usually a bad strategy.

Posted by: Mikkel_Knight

quote:
Originally posted by TreborPugly
No problem, there are lots of popular scumbags out there.. :D

Also, (and again) I applaud Jon's actions, but I have been told that I would never be able to pull such a stunt. So does that make me a scumbag wannabe?? :D

Posted by: TreborPugly

quote:
Originally posted by Mikkel_Knight

I don't think anybody can argue that it was a brilliant strategic plan that, (while it could have backfired on Jon in a heartbeat if the producers had checked and let it be known to the contestants that Jon had asked his friend to lie about the death) surely outplays anyone elses strategy. ?

I can (and have) argue against that. My opinion is that he did it purely for the notoriety. What is the gain? People aren't going to keep him around because of his grandmother. They aren't voting for him because he's embroiled in tons of alliances, lying to everyone, and everyone is either stupid, or they think that sitting next to a jerk like him in the final 2 will be a good idea.

What I think is really funny is that the folks he relies on the most, he tells about his lesser lies. (Darah thinks he's lying to Lil, Lil thinks he's lying to Sandra, Burton thinks he's lying to everyone except Burton...) Burton above all others should realize that Jon's got to go. Maybe he does realize that but plans to do it at the final 3...

Posted by: Frylock

I'd like to see a change in the game to really involve outlasting others. So people like Rupert who kept the tribe alive in the beginning would really NEED to be kept around to keep the other members alive.

Posted by: TreborPugly

How about symbolic cannibalism? They still vote people out, but the people who voted for the one actually ousted get some food symbolizing the person they got rid of.

Posted by: TreborPugly

Or maybe competitions that keep most of the people immune from being voted out. Therefore, they can support each other in competitions to keep themselves from being at the bottom third or so, where they are vunerable to voting...

Posted by: lander215

quote:
Originally posted by TreborPugly
Burton above all others should realize that Jon's got to go. Maybe he does realize that but plans to do it at the final 3...

I think Burton is gambling on Jon being the "bad cop" and lying to everyone on the jury, who will turn around and vote for Burton because he kept up the appearance of not lying to them. And in fact, up until last night, I don't think Burton has lied to anyone directly yet, has he?

Posted by: devdogaz

quote:
Originally posted by TreborPugly
How about symbolic cannibalism? They still vote people out, but the people who voted for the one actually ousted get some food symbolizing the person they got rid of.

I think that would encourage "sheep-like" behavior where everyone talks and decides who is going and that person gets all the votes. It would discourage secret alliances and people taking risks to scratch out a majority to save themselves or to keep someone else in a few more days. I think the scheming and the alliances is what makes Survivor so fun to watch so I wouldn't be in favor of anything that altered that aspect of the game.

Having said that, I would like to see some sort of change to the rules that works in favor of those who work hard and develop better survival and leadership skills. I don't like to see the coat-tail riders fly under the radar for a month and then emerge at the end to oust the strongest players and force the jury to decide between mediocre players.

Posted by: LooseWiring

You forget, one of Jenna's selling points against Mateo was that he didn't need the million dollars.

Sure he had the crazy eyes and a penchant for sharpening his machete. But I think what hurt him the worst was his admission that he didn't play for the money and that Survivor was just another of his many adventures.

In my opinion neither he nor Jenna deserved that money. Amazon was ALL about the Rob.

Posted by: jradosh

I'd like to see a "real" Survivor where there are no "tribes". Everyone's dumped on an island and given the same chance to survive. If they choose to form tribes (a la "Lord of the Flies") so be it. But if someone like Rupert wants to wander off and fend for himself, that's his business.

But if a bunch of people wanted to pool resources, they could do that too. And they could trade with other "tribes" or individuals as needed. And they could pillage each other too!

All challenges would be individual. They would still vote each other out one-by-one. Alliances would still end up an important part of the game too. But it would be more 'real' IMO.

J

PS. CBS can PM me for the rights to this idea :D

Posted by: pmyers

quote:
Originally posted by jradosh
I'd like to see a "real" Survivor where there are no "tribes". Everyone's dumped on an island and given the same chance to survive. If they choose to form tribes (a la "Lord of the Flies") so be it. But if someone like Rupert wants to wander off and fend for himself, that's his business.

But if a bunch of people wanted to pool resources, they could do that too. And they could trade with other "tribes" or individuals as needed. And they could pillage each other too!

All challenges would be individual. They would still vote each other out one-by-one. Alliances would still end up an important part of the game too. But it would be more 'real' IMO.

J

PS. CBS can PM me for the rights to this idea :D

I've always wanted a show like this.

Posted by: martinp13

I agree, that's a great idea. Before they do that, I hope they break it up into more tribes.... maybe 3 or 4. They can get mileage out of that format before abandoning formal tribes.

Posted by: martinp13

quote:
Originally posted by TreborPugly
How about symbolic cannibalism? They still vote people out, but the people who voted for the one actually ousted get some food symbolizing the person they got rid of.

That would never work. The skinny people would win every time. They would have all voted out Rupert the first week and eaten like kings for the next 36 days. ;)

Posted by: JEbbesen

Speaking of Rob, what's he up to these days? I always thought he'd be the one to cash in on TV.

Posted by: Redstixxx

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
I've always wanted a show like this.

If it counts, there's Big Brother.

Posted by: omnibus

Next up SURVIVOR ANTARTICA, Do they dare? Hey, Fear Factor had them repeatedly driving a car back and forth under an 18 wheeler.

Posted by: brianric

quote:
Originally posted by omnibus
Next up SURVIVOR ANTARTICA, Do they dare? Hey, Fear Factor had them repeatedly driving a car back and forth under an 18 wheeler.

Or Survivor Wyoming, the weather's the same. :D

Posted by: TampaThunder

quote:
Originally posted by omnibus
Next up SURVIVOR ANTARTICA, Do they dare? Hey, Fear Factor had them repeatedly driving a car back and forth under an 18 wheeler.

In a Jeff Probst interview from way back he said it would never be a cold weather locale. The "skin" factor was too much to overcome. Nobody would watch a bunch of people in parkas. :)

Also, fending for food might prove a tad more difficult.

Posted by: dr_mal

quote:
Originally posted by JEbbesen
Speaking of Rob, what's he up to these days? I always thought he'd be the one to cash in on TV.

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)

well, he is on the All Star Survivor filming now...

Posted by: YCantAngieRead

That's funny. We were just discussing Survivor Antarctica last night. Still think it'd be interesting to flip the show around to somewhere where it's really cold, but that's a lot less practical and a lot more dangerous, really.

Jon schmon. I don't agree with his strategy for getting ahead, and I seriously dislike watching him. I was watching Zoolander today and realized he IS Hansel from that movie. And I'm ticked that they keep saying Jon's lie didn't affect the outcome of the game...obviously it has.

Most importantly, for Mark Burnett and crew...IF YOU EVER PUT LIL IN HER UNDERWEAR AGAIN, I'M LIABLE TO DIE OF BRAIN TRAUMA. Do NOT do that again. I wasn't prepared for it, and it scared the crap out of me. I was eating dinner, for god's sake!

Posted by: YCantAngieRead

Oh I forgot. Anyone else catch the look on Rupert's eyes when they were talking about lying to win the game? If looks could kill, these people will all be dead.

And a question...anyone know where the jury gets to stay after they are voted off? Do they get to talk to each other? I've been wondering this for a while and since I can't remember if it's been discussed on other versions of Survivor, I'm askin' you guys.

Posted by: ybrew

Who gives a crap if Jon's lie affects the outcome of the game.

Burton's lies are affecting the outcome.

Sandra's lies too.

everyone lies!

Posted by: scottjf8

I saw Christa on the Early Show this morning, and she was saying how her and Sandra knew that Jon lied about the grandmother thing, but they didn't want to call him out (it would look bad for them..)

My opinion : Darrah wins..

Posted by: TRILIGHT

quote:
Originally posted by Mikkel_Knight
Rupert would have been great if he would have realized what the game of Survivor is all about. Over and over, season after season, contestant after contestant - all of them have said it isn't about how strong you are or how much you know about Survival skills, it's all about personal relationships. If Rupert would have seen that, he could have gone far. He refused to acknowledge the inter-personal relationships with others and that was his downfall. I really liked Rupert until he had a couple votes cast his way. That should have been enough to tell him that he needed to work more on relationships. Instead, he yelled, screamed and hollared about getting a vote from Jon. BIG mistake Rupert. Do you think that you would go through the whole game without getting a vote cast your way? If I'm not mistaken, Ethan was the only Survivor who did not get one vote against him.

If he doesn't take a look at how the game is really played and change his strategy a little, Rupert's demise won't be too far off on All-Stars as well...

AGREED!! It's strange how things can change so quickly. When the whole thing started and on through the middle, I was for Rupert 100%! I hated Jon. He was an ass, bitched a lot, and was just generally annoying! HOWEVER, it came to pass that my opinion has totally changed for each of them. I now like Jon and hate Rupert.

Rupert did not have a CLUE! He's a nice guy and I think he would definitely be someone worth having around if you were really shipwrecked. However, as far as this game goes, he's a complete moron! I can't believe that he's still so pissy when it comes to the whole "lying" thing. You'd think that having his ass voted out would be testament to the fact that he wasn't playing the game the right way.

I still think Jon's an ass and I probably wouldn't be friends with him IRL but it takes a lot of skill to manipulate as many people as he has and not get himself voted out. True, it helps that most of the people on this Survivor are MORONS but he's still the only one using his head. I think people who fly under the radar should never win. It takes more skill to stick your neck out and still dodge the vote than to just keep your mouth shut and skate through.

Posted by: JEbbesen

quote:
Originally posted by dr_mal
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)

well, he is on the All Star Survivor filming now...

thanks

Posted by: cmontyburns

quote:
Originally posted by scottjf8
I saw Christa on the Early Show this morning, and she was saying how her and Sandra knew that Jon lied about the grandmother thing, but they didn't want to call him out (it would look bad for them..)

I dunno, I have a hard time believing her since she and Sandra are among the dumbest people to ever get this far in the game. They've had the entire game in the palm of their hands for the past few weeks and have squandered every opportunity. I'm not sure I would credit them with being this perceptive.

Posted by: BattMan

quote:
Lying about who you are voting for makes sense. Lying about a family member dying when everyone is thinking strongly about their families is just wrong. No game play validates that. I didn't want to get into this debate again, but since you invoked my name, I can't help but reply. My underlying point is that some things are wrong even when lots of money is at stake. It is up to the individual to decide where that line is drawn.

Evil will always win because Good is stupid. [/Spaceballs]

Posted by: Mikkel_Knight

quote:
Originally posted by BattMan
Evil will always win because Good is stupid. [/Spaceballs]

Good is DUMB!! not Stupid... ;)

Posted by: magaggie

*sigh* I was wrong, I admit it. Sandra is as clueless as you all say she is. What in the world makes those girls continue to trust Jon.

While I think Jon's "dead grandmother gambit" was super sleazy, I'm starting to think he might deserve to win. Not cause I like him but because he's playing everyone so well. This show is starting to make me lose faith in humanity! :)

Posted by: BattMan

The students at Texas Tech and t.u. have made me lose faith in humanity.

Jon is just another idiot of the Jerry Springer generation.

Posted by: TRILIGHT

quote:
Originally posted by magaggie
This show is starting to make me lose faith in humanity! :)

I've seen a lot over the past couple of years to make me lose faith in humanity. Well, not so much that as losing faith in the general public as a whole. "Humanity" is still strong. Its just that it only survives in the hearts of a few. I'd say this show just reinforces what I already believe about the general population. Afterall, if that wasn't the case, it might not be as popular as it is. ;)

Posted by: MikeekiM

I couldnt help noticing Rupert's death look in the background during the TC in the jury box... Man...he is PISSED!

Posted by: BattMan

Rupert is such a freakin baby. You can't appear to be the strongest player and win the game. He played the game wrong and deserved to lose - not to mention he wasnt the most fun to be around at times.

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by magaggie
*sigh* I was wrong, I admit it. Sandra is as clueless as you all say she is. What in the world makes those girls continue to trust Jon.

While I think Jon's "dead grandmother gambit" was super sleazy, I'm starting to think he might deserve to win. Not cause I like him but because he's playing everyone so well. This show is starting to make me lose faith in humanity! :)

Have a little faith. Who's to say it won't be restored in the next 2 weeks....

Posted by: MikeekiM

I am surprised that as much of a threat Burton and John are, there isn't a single vote for them during TC...

I am kinda surprised that neither has been voted off yet... But it surprises me even more that they don't even seem to be in jeopardy during the vote count...

Posted by: Steveknj

quote:
Originally posted by Frylock
MK Crazy Matthew was also CRAZY. I think that scared a lot of people.

And watching Lil I don't get the feeling she is playing a stategy. She just is dumb. As is Burton, for letting Jon make the decisions. Burton is clearly a smarter person, but by listening to Jon, shows how dumb he really is.

Jon might win not because he is so smart, but because he is so evil and the others are so dumb. I agree you need to draw the line somewhere. People already aren't happy because Rupert is out. If Jon wins, I think less people will want to tune into Survivor. Look at Big Brother. No one wanted Allison or Jun to win, and they picked Jun as the "lesser of 2 evils". If it comes down to that every time, no one is going to tune in.

exactly. ANd this seems to be the trend in these shows. The evil ones who nobody likes wins. You can go to that well once or twice, but after awhile, the fans will start tuning out. Could this be the end of reality shows like this?

Posted by: Steveknj

quote:
Originally posted by omnibus
Next up SURVIVOR ANTARTICA, Do they dare? Hey, Fear Factor had them repeatedly driving a car back and forth under an 18 wheeler.

I always said they need a cold weather Survivor to break things up. Many people have told me that it won't work because it's too dangerous, but I disagree. How about Surivor Alaska? Put them in the Alaskan tundra, within flying distance of Anchorage, Nome or Fairbanks, somewhere close enough that if there's an emergancy, they can get them there. Logistically, they can GIVE them a rudimentary shelter out of the elements (after all, in some of the Survivors they DID give them food), but they can fish for food or hunt with bow and arrow. They can film it in the spring when there are still some winter elements to deal with, but it's not dangerously cold.

Anyone have any legitimate ideas on how they could do a cold weather survivor? I truly think they are running out of interesting warm weather spots.

Posted by: Steveknj

quote:
Originally posted by BattMan
The students at Texas Tech and t.u. have made me lose faith in humanity.

All I can say is HUH?

Posted by: jradosh

quote:
Originally posted by Steveknj
I always said they need a cold weather Survivor to break things up. Many people have told me that it won't work because it's too dangerous, but I disagree. How about Surivor Alaska?

I think that the reasons for keeping Survivor in the warm climates are pretty obvious...

http://www.survivorfoxes.com/ElisabethFilarski/E3.jpg

Posted by: Big_Daddy

quote:
Originally posted by cmontyburns
I dunno, I have a hard time believing her since she and Sandra are among the dumbest people to ever get this far in the game. They've had the entire game in the palm of their hands for the past few weeks and have squandered every opportunity. I'm not sure I would credit them with being this perceptive.

I so completely agree. After Rupert (who i still like!) was voted off, my sympathy preference was for one of them to win. After seeing them squander their chances, I'm glad to see Christa gona and Sandra likely going this week. At best, they didn't "know" but only suspected because they were pissed at being on the losing side.

Posted by: YCantAngieRead

Yeah, the men in the house here were vehemently against a cold-weather survivor because of the skimpy clothing factor. I, however, would love to see that.

I actually proposed the idea of living under the ice in Antarctica or some place like that, where it gets cold but not so cold as to create serious issues of danger. (You'd probably have to do this someplace closer to emergency medical care, though...but Antarctica was the first place that came to my mind.) They'd give them heat, shelter, and all that was needed for basic survival, then the reward challenges would become VERY important to win extra items.

Just a thought, though.

Posted by: Steveknj

Let me ask all you Survivor freaks out there, do you actually watch this show for the EYE CANDY? Seems to me that that there are much better alternatives for that (Big Brother, any of the dating ones like Temptation Island, Joe Millionaire, etc.). And in Survivor, after these people have been out there for 10 or so days, they cease being that attractive anyway. Maybe I'm the strange one, but I watch for the interpersonal stuff, the challenges, etc. C'mon, we were ALL rooting for Rupert and how attractive is he (from a purerly Eye candy perspective)? LOL

That's why I think that a cold weather survivor would work, not to mention, since much of this show COULD take place inside (imagine them having the TC in a ski lodge or something like that), there would be plenty of eye candy for those of you looking for that. But to me, the lure of them competing in all those outdoor wilderness challanges would be great, and a nice change of pace from what has become the same, fishing, building shelter, swimming, etc.

Posted by: Dafaso

quote:
Originally posted by Steveknj
Let me ask all you Survivor freaks out there, do you actually watch this show for the EYE CANDY? Seems to me that that there are much better alternatives for that (Big Brother, any of the dating ones like Temptation Island, Joe Millionaire, etc.). And in Survivor, after these people have been out there for 10 or so days, they cease being that attractive anyway. Maybe I'm the strange one, but I watch for the interpersonal stuff, the challenges, etc. C'mon, we were ALL rooting for Rupert and how attractive is he (from a purerly Eye candy perspective)? LOL

That's why I think that a cold weather survivor would work, not to mention, since much of this show COULD take place inside (imagine them having the TC in a ski lodge or something like that), there would be plenty of eye candy for those of you looking for that. But to me, the lure of them competing in all those outdoor wilderness challanges would be great, and a nice change of pace from what has become the same, fishing, building shelter, swimming, etc.

I watch it mostly for the interpersonal transactions - but let's just say that I was happy when Burton came back..:cool:

Posted by: jradosh

Interpersonal interactions are the main driving force of the show, no doubt. The skin is a bonus. And yes... sometimes (think Lil in her skivies) it's a drawback :eek:

But in a cold climate they'd be mostly sitting around a heater, huddling for warmth and shivering a lot. In warm climates they're out hunting, fishing and playing on the beach. That's just more interesting to watch IMO. YMMV.

Maybe they could do something where they end up in different continents and climates eacy week or so.

Oh... they already have Amazing Race? ... never mind... :p

J

PS. when does AR start again?!?!?

Posted by: TreborPugly

quote:
Originally posted by Steveknj
I always said they need a cold weather Survivor to break things up. Many people have told me that it won't work because it's too dangerous, but I disagree. How about Surivor Alaska? Put them in the Alaskan tundra, within flying distance of Anchorage, Nome or Fairbanks, somewhere close enough that if there's an emergancy, they can get them there. Logistically, they can GIVE them a rudimentary shelter out of the elements (after all, in some of the Survivors they DID give them food), but they can fish for food or hunt with bow and arrow. They can film it in the spring when there are still some winter elements to deal with, but it's not dangerously cold.

Anyone have any legitimate ideas on how they could do a cold weather survivor? I truly think they are running out of interesting warm weather spots.

But you have to also think about the crew. You need to have crew also sitting around for hours at a time, filming the contestants. I'm sure that the operating cost for a cold weather climate would be much more expensive, aside from any danger aspects.

Treb.

Posted by: bobsbizzy

My two penneth on some of the topics on this thread.....

Well I definately think that Jon increased his "likeability" or "sympathy" status within the group with his "dead grandmother" stunt. (Except with Sandra of course who pathologically hates him).

He reminds me of Golum in Lord of the Rings.

Future survivors are going to have a lot of trouble with announcements like these unless they come from Jeff.

He certainly had me fooled, you could have knocked me down with a feather when he said "she's sitting at home watching Jerry Springer". I had to rewind it twice and replay it.

Like him or not, and I don't, I had to admire this stunt as an all time Survivor first.

Secondly, the behaviour of contestents on BB and Survivor IS real life. That is how human beings behave, looking out for themselves, making sure they survive when others don't. Sure we like to put a civilised veneer over our behavour, and can do so because we don't have to compete directly with each other to survive. But given the right circumstances, these basic instincts are what has enabled humankind to survive and prosper over the last tens and hundreds of thousand years.

Its not pretty, but it is part of our makeup, just like procreation. In fact that's not pretty either..........

:D

Posted by: Steveknj

quote:
Originally posted by TreborPugly
But you have to also think about the crew. You need to have crew also sitting around for hours at a time, filming the contestants. I'm sure that the operating cost for a cold weather climate would be much more expensive, aside from any danger aspects.

Treb.

I agree, it WOULD cost more, but maybe they can shorten the length of the time they are all out there. But, I would NOT do a cold weather Survivor during the dead of winter, maybe in May or October when there's still snow, but it's not brutally cold, so you can have them out skiing or hunting deer or caribou, that sort of thing. And if they do the shelter right and there's plenty of warmth inside, you may even get a bit of "skin" factor. I think if thought out right, it could work.

Posted by: Mikkel_Knight

Burnett has repeatedly said that there will not be a cold-weather Survivor. People tend to shut down during cold weather so there wouldn't be much of a show now would there? Over and over and over again, people wonder when the next cold-weather Survivor will be. Well... someone else is going to have to buy the rights to the concept from Burnett because he ain't doin' one...

Posted by: timr_42

After this last week, I think Jon should win. I do not like him...wait like is to kind... I hate him. He is however playing the better game. I don't think Burton or Lil should win since they were already voted off once. I am unhappy that one or both will make it to final four.

Posted by: Steveknj

quote:
Originally posted by Mikkel_Knight
Burnett has repeatedly said that there will not be a cold-weather Survivor. People tend to shut down during cold weather so there wouldn't be much of a show now would there? Over and over and over again, people wonder when the next cold-weather Survivor will be. Well... someone else is going to have to buy the rights to the concept from Burnett because he ain't doin' one...

People say lots of things, but if ratings go significantly down, who's to say he won't change his mind and try something drastic like that. At some point people are going to get bored of the jungle scenario.

Posted by: David Platt

Wow; did anybody see Christa on David Letterman last night? Take how annoying she was on Survivor and ramp it up about 2000%, and you have an approximation of how she came off.

That was one of the most annoying appearances I've ever seen by anybody. She's one of those people that think everything that comes out of her mouth is incredibly funny when it's completely not.

Posted by: MikeekiM

quote:
Originally posted by David Platt
Wow; did anybody see Christa on David Letterman last night? Take how annoying she was on Survivor and ramp it up about 2000%, and you have an approximation of how she came off.

That was one of the most annoying appearances I've ever seen by anybody. She's one of those people that think everything that comes out of your mouth is incredibly funny when it's completely not.

I saw her... It was a total disappointment... She must have had 3 or 4 beers right before coming on the air...

I was really looking forward to what she had to say...but instead, I was embarrased for her... Can you imagine how she came across to her friends and family?

Posted by: Philosofy

quote:
Originally posted by David Platt
Wow; did anybody see Christa on David Letterman last night? Take how annoying she was on Survivor and ramp it up about 2000%, and you have an approximation of how she came off.

That was one of the most annoying appearances I've ever seen by anybody. She's one of those people that think everything that comes out of your mouth is incredibly funny when it's completely not.

I thought she did pretty well. I didn't recognize her at first, but give her a break. She was working from a loose script, did a little improvisation, and her timing and delivery wasn't bad. I would guess she might not be a bad actress.

Posted by: Crrink

TiVo recorded the Late Show as a suggestion......I'm with Mr. Platt on this one. I looked at my wife and said, "Drunk or stoned?"
"Both," was her reply.

Posted by: YCantAngieRead

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Wow; did anybody see Christa on David Letterman last night? Take how annoying she was on Survivor and ramp it up about 2000%, and you have an approximation of how she came off.

Actually, yeah. I'll echo what others said...she looked dreadfully on something. Uppers or something. Ordinarily I'd chalk it up to nerves, but I don't really see why you'd be nervous around cameras after living with them for so long. At least, not THAT nervous. It'll be interesting to see if she looks that "off the wagon" in the reunion.

Posted by: TreborPugly

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Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
Actually, yeah. I'll echo what others said...she looked dreadfully on something. Uppers or something. Ordinarily I'd chalk it up to nerves, but I don't really see why you'd be nervous around cameras after living with them for so long. At least, not THAT nervous. It'll be interesting to see if she looks that "off the wagon" in the reunion.

She is on the smoking gun I think as having a past with drug abuse...

Treb.

Posted by: LooseWiring

From what Smoking Gun has reported it seems like she was either a tweaker, coke-head, or poser. Either way she was a very stupid tweaker, Cokehead, or poser.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/hastiemain1.html

Posted by: purple6816

I saw Christa on letterman last night. Boy did he make her seem like an idiot. Or maybe she made herself look that way. But, wow did she come off as a ditz.

She still thinks that they will bring her back so she can win. ;)

Posted by: dr_mal

I thought she was more entertaining than all the other losers who come on and give us the same "no, I didn't see it coming, everyone played a better game than me, I don't know what's next in life for me, bye" routine. Then again, I'm also amused by The Simple Life and Jerry Springer. :shrug:

Posted by: YCantAngieRead

It is quite well documented that she had a cocaine problem at some point in the past. I'm assuming she was clean when she went to Panama...either that or she had some REALLY good sources. She's all over internet message boards asking for the best way to get high off of coke and all kinds of good questions like that.