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Posted by: keirgrey

Well, that was satisfying. Not as satisfying as if Jonny Fairplay had left, but good all the same. I could see it once Jon and Burton started talking about how the girls weren't very bright and had no strategy to speak of. Great episode.

Posted by: cello

I was snickering so much during John's little speech. What a low, low man.

I don't get Burton's speech at the end ... wasn't he breaking his alliance with Lil by voting for her as much as she was breaking her alliance with him? Oh well.

Posted by: nevermind

quote:
Originally posted by cello

I don't get Burton's speech at the end ... wasn't he breaking his alliance with Lil by voting for her as much as she was breaking her alliance with him? Oh well.

What a fool :D

Posted by: keirgrey

I've been calling it the "Write me the check" moment. Silas in Survivor: Africa told the camera, "Write me the check" and was voted out that night. Every time someone gets into that same mindset, they're gone. :D

Posted by: ufo4sale

so I guess people can learn from there mistakes.

Posted by: lander215

quote:
Originally posted by cello

I don't get Burton's speech at the end ... wasn't he breaking his alliance with Lil by voting for her as much as she was breaking her alliance with him? Oh well.

Exactly! I had at least some respect for Burton, right up until he hoped Lil could sleep with herself after breaking their alliance. Excuse me? I had to backup the Tivo to make sure Burton had written down Lil...which he did. So back atcha buddy!

The look on 'ol Jon's face when Burton's name came up the second time was priceless! He knew then that at least three grey cells had gotten together and formed a coherant thought! lol Would have been nice to see Jon go bye-bye, but getting rid of Burton was the smart move, for now Jon's only chance at winning just went for a walk.

Think about it though, the four jurors before tonight would vote for anyone except Jon, so regardless, I don't think he has a chance now even if he were to make it to the final two.

It was also interesting to see how much happens that hits the editting floor. Clearly the women had schemed the whole return, how to talk it up that Sandra was withdrawn and resigned to leaving, etc.

Good show over all...hey, Burton...enjoy the GMC buddy. hehehe :D

Posted by: nevermind

I'd like to take this opportunity to sum up Burton's speech at the end with a picture:

http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/brain/images_27925/crying_baby.jpg

Posted by: retrodog

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What a complete moron. Accusing Lil of violating a alliance. I thought that Johnny Rotten was the biggest a$$ out there, but now he's got some serious competition.

As big as Texas? Burton, If I ever meet you in person, I'm gonna show you what's as big as Texas. :D

Posted by: Kylep

There were a lot of good LOL moments tonight.

Posted by: zyzzx

Why did Burton choose Jon to join him on his reward challenge victory? What an idiot. Right then I knew one of the guys was getting the boot. They were way too arrogant to think leaving the 3 women alone wasn't the dumbest thing they could have done. Burton should have taken one of the women so the guys could have had a hand in both locations and not let the women scheme them like they did.

I was surprised at the stupidity of the guys after the last couple weeks. They really deserved what they got tonight. Seeing Burton's face was classic. It was also funny watching the jury after seeing him get voted out. Rupert was going nuts. Funny stuff.

Posted by: Jstkiddn

quote:
Originally posted by zyzzx
Why did Burton choose Jon to join him on his reward challenge victory? What an idiot. Right then I knew one of the guys was getting the boot. They were way too arrogant to think leaving the 3 women alone wasn't the dumbest thing they could have done. Burton should have taken one of the women so the guys could have had a hand in both locations and not let the women scheme them like they did.

I was surprised at the stupidity of the guys after the last couple weeks. They really deserved what they got tonight. Seeing Burton's face was classic. It was also funny watching the jury after seeing him get voted out. Rupert was going nuts. Funny stuff.

The way they were patting themselves on the back for "controlling" the game. Pffft! They were way too full of themselves. And the gall of Burton to say what he said about Lil breaking the alliance. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at Lil's house while she watched that little speech.

Posted by: FourFourSeven

quote:
Originally posted by zyzzx
Why did Burton choose Jon to join him on his reward challenge victory? What an idiot.

My wife and I were screaming the exact same thing at the television! Every time a smaller group leaves for a reward, the larger group left behind votes to knock one of them out. Very dumb decision.

I think Fairplay is going to make the final three, and quite possibly the final two. One would think anyone who goes against him would be a lock to win in the final two, and I'd imagine that Sandra and Darrah have probably figured that out. Lil is the worst contestant ever, so I doubt that's going through her head...

Burton complaining that Lil broke the alliance when he did the same thing to her...priceless!

I'm glad Fairplay made it to the final four - as I've said all along, you need a "bad guy" to make the show interesting...

Posted by: jeff125va

We LOVED it when the jurors were celebrating... my daughter made me rewind it a couple of times :-)

What is Johnny gonna even TRY to do now, aside from win immunity? I don't think any of the girls would trust him if he PROMISED her that he'd take her to the final two if he won the final challenge; I think each of the three girls is resigned to their final three and fight it out from there pact.

Posted by: brott

quote:
Originally posted by Jstkiddn
And the gall of Burton to say what he said about Lil breaking the alliance. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at Lil's house while she watched that little speech.

This is the second time I've defended Lill, and I don't even like her. Poor Burton is pissed at Lill for doing exactly what he did to her!? A more fitting thing to say would have been touche' since that's what really happened.

Posted by: brott

quote:
Originally posted by jeff125va
We LOVED it when the jurors were celebrating

True .. First smile we've seen from Rupert for a while now. :)

Posted by: Dafaso

Good episode! Burton and Jon were just too full of themselves and they thought they could control the women. Burton should have picked Lil to join him for the reward. He would have convinced her to vote Sandra off. And of course I have to agree with everyone here that Burton was an idiot in his final speech after he just voted for Lil. :rolleyes:

Posted by: jradosh

Great moments in TV...

Burton crying like a scald-child in his farewell speach

The jurors slapping fives and celebrating his demise

Jon's expression at the end of the ep.

Now please... someone (anyone) get rid of that Lil (puleeze!)

Posted by: Dafaso

It's interesting that Jon guessed exactly what the girls were up to but Burton didn't agree with his assessment. Also, I could see Jon convicing the girls not to vote him off. He could tell them that since he's so hated, he'd be a good opponent for someone in the final 2 since no one would vote for him.

Posted by: appleye1

Burton was right. Lil was in an alliance.
If the alliance decided that they all should vote for Lil, then Lil should have voted for Lil.
How dare she not vote for herself! She can't be trusted! ;)

Posted by: Philosofy

What got me was Burton claiming he never promised Lil to be the final two with her. IIRC, when they were selected to return to the game, that's exactly what he said.

Posted by: betamax

I hope Lil can live with herself for not letting herself get voted out. And those jurors celebrating, they were sure happy!

This is going to be one hell of a reunion show. Think they'll fly in Jon's Grandmother? It will be so cool to hear reactions to some of the statements we've heard.

Posted by: Jeff_in_Bklyn

What is the payout of the final 4?? I know 1= million 2= 100,000 do 3 and 4 get anything? I want John to get voted out next so he gets as little a possable!!!

Posted by: Philosofy

#3 and #4 get nada, IIRC.

Posted by: debtoine

Since we know what a lying, backstabbing, giant SOB Jon is, I only hope the girls let him squirm as long as possible.

I am very glad that Lill didn't let either of the guys sway her after she'd decided to go with the other girls.

Sunday should be very interesting, indeed.

d

Posted by: DLL66

Jon needs to win immunity..........but I think that is going to be a slim chance in the immunity challenge...................he has no skill and Darrah is much stronger than him!!!! LOL

Posted by: Jstkiddn

quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
What got me was Burton claiming he never promised Lil to be the final two with her. IIRC, when they were selected to return to the game, that's exactly what he said.

He did! I wish I still had that episode on the Tivo but I'm 99.9% sure that's what he told her.

Posted by: shady

quote:
Originally posted by jeff125va
What is Johnny gonna even TRY to do now...

I wouldn't want to be in his grandfather's shoes :D

Posted by: smak

Burton's crying about Lil breaking the alliance was one of the all-time strangest things on Survivor. Somebody should have whispered in his ear. Psst, Burton....Oh yah, I voted for her too.

I laughed out loud and slapped 5 (with myself, nobody else here) when they showed Rupert and the juror's having a great time at Burton's ouster. I loved it.

As for the final 4. I think Jon's only chance is to end up in the final 2 with Lil and harp on her already being voted out, and she shouldn't win.

Other than that, I couldn't see him getting more than 1 or 2 of the 9 votes.

I think Lil/Sandra would be a close vote, but if Darrah is there she will win big, and if Jon's there he'll lose big.

-smak-

Posted by: TRILIGHT

Absolutely the dumbest move on the PLANET to not have the winner take Lil to the reward. I could not believe they were that stupid. That's what happens though. You get too confident in your position and that's when you get screwed. I still can't believe such an obvious strategy of having one of them in each location did not occur to them.

Now, this is not to say that I think any of those women have a brain in their head AT ALL!! I mean, come on!! It takes getting down to a "2 guys with a strong aliance and 3 women" situation for them to wake up and smell the coffee?? Regardless of how foolish Burton and Jon's final move was, it does not compare to the stupidity of those women floundering their way to where they are now.

The only people I feel deserve to win at this point are Jon or Darrah. They're the only ones that have played well. Sandra is just a b!tch and Lil hasn't done a thing noteworthy. I think it's funny that so many of you mention Burton is a little baby. Geeze! He was ticked so he said something mean about Lil. Not even a huge attack at that. Big deal. Yet look at Sandra!! She gets ticked and she starts yelling and cursing and sabotaging everyone else like the baby b!tch she is! What about the whiney ass baby RUPERT??? That's right! The "beloved" Rupert is four times the baby Burton was!! I don't give a damn how much I may have liked him in the beginning, I think he's a bigger "sore loser" than Sandra and she's twice as bad as Burton!

Posted by: purple6816

Darah will win it. I am not sure who is next John or Lil. But, both deserve it. The last 3 hours will be worth the wait.

Just watched the VH1 show and it was great. Missed the end. Tivo did not know it was longer then an hour. I dont know what happened after 60 minutes.

Posted by: Seattle

Whats with the scoutmaster that cannot figure out compass directions?

Posted by: c3

Don't forget to record the reunion episode. I don't understand why they don't mark the reunion as part of the series.

Posted by: fmowry

quote:
Originally posted by TRILIGHT

The only people I feel deserve to win at this point are Jon or Darrah. They're the only ones that have played well. Sandra is just a b!tch and Lil hasn't done a thing noteworthy. I think it's funny that so many of you mention Burton is a little baby. Geeze! He was ticked so he said something mean about Lil. Not even a huge attack at that. Big deal. Yet look at Sandra!! She gets ticked and she starts yelling and cursing and sabotaging everyone else like the baby b!tch she is! What about the whiney ass baby RUPERT??? That's right! The "beloved" Rupert is four times the baby Burton was!! I don't give a damn how much I may have liked him in the beginning, I think he's a bigger "sore loser" than Sandra and she's twice as bad as Burton!

Finally someone said what I've been thinking. You all are attacking Burton and Jon yet they were playing the game! Sandra is just a lying, conniving little biatch that wants to sabotage everything. She's done absolutely nothing, has no chance at winning immunity and wanted to screw everyone. She goes and calls Jon a bunch of names for trying to manipulate votes yet she is the most dishonest of all of them. She sold her only alliance/friend down the river last week (Christa) by letting her take the blame for sabatoging the camp.

As moronic as Lill acts I wonder if she is actuallly duping EVERYONE including all of us into thinking she's a helpless idiot yet she'll ride it to the final two.

If Jon wasn't in this Survivor I wouldn't be watching. He's the only one who has said anyting entertaining the whole season. I think he's still got some game left and can convince the Darah and Lill to give Sandra the boot next week.

BTW, that immunity challenge couldn't have been more favoring to Darah. I doubt the desingers thought someone could actually fit their whole arm down the tube though.

Frank

Posted by: brianric

Didn't you love Burton's remark about Lil having to live with herself after breaking their alliance. Et Tu Brutus.

Loved it when the jury was giving the high five with Rupert.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

OK, I haven't watched the show since they started cheating (the Outcasts), but last night at the beginning of CSI they showed Burton whining about Lil breaking the alliance with video of him voting for her. So I had to check this thread out to see if what I saw was really what I saw.

And although obviously I don't know what I'm talking about, from reading this thread, I can't help but wonder. Is it possible that the women have outplayed the men? It sounds like the men have whittled the tribe down bit by bit, and now, at the last possible moment (i.e., the last moment at which they outnumber the men), the women have started picking them off. So the jury is going to be packed with people who hate the men, and the women are going to look like innocent victims.

Or are they really that stupid, and just plain lucky?

Posted by: JEbbesen

Yea, lets not gross over Sondra little tissy fit at the begining of the show. "I'm going to hide this, I'm going to hide that" Still think she wasn't trying to ruin those fish? I enjoyed her sticking it to the dumb a** guys but what's up with her pettyness.

Posted by: omnibus

I hope Burton get's into a serious Tiff with the producers. "Here's your new car Burton", "Ummmm, what are your plans for getting it home"

Posted by: brianric

quote:
Originally posted by TRILIGHT
Absolutely the dumbest move on the PLANET to not have the winner take Lil to the reward. I could not believe they were that stupid. That's what happens though. You get too confident in your position and that's when you get screwed. I still can't believe such an obvious strategy of having one of them in each location did not occur to them.

History does have a way of repeating itself. Remember Survivor Marquesas when Neleh and Paschal finally figured out what was going on.

Posted by: Skittles

The shot of Jonny Rotten as he realized how much he was screwed was fantastic. Between that and the jury's high-five celebration, we hit rewind about four times. :D

I can't believe Burton took Jon. Did they expect the girls to sit back at the camp and just knit? Oy. What a fool he was.

I'm hoping Sandra or Darrah wins the game. But as numerous people have said, regardless of how the game ends, the reunion show's going to be great!

Posted by: VegasVic

I agree with the above post. As much of a baby Burton was at the end of last nights show, Rupert is the all time biggest whiner. By far. I hope he goes early in the allstar Survivor. And unfortunately he'll probably get more face time on the reunion show than any other.

Posted by: loubob57

I thought the best move on the reward challenge would have been for Burton to take Sandra. Then Johnny Rotten could work on Lill and Darrah while they were gone. So instead of the 3 girls not having a brain between them maybe its the 2 guys?

And as to which guy to vote out, remember Sandra's comment they replayed at the beginning of the show? Something about needing to vote out Burton first because he was stronger and "John is like a girl". :D

Posted by: pmyers

Just like other people have said...it was totally stupid of Jon and Burton to go off together. That was the reason for their demise. Burton should have taken Lil and he'd still be there.

Go Sandra!

Frankly I'm not a big Darah fan. I'm kinda tired of these "fly under the radar" people who don't do anything the whole game and then rely on winning immunity challanges to finish the game. I know it's a valid strategy I just don't care for it myself.

Posted by: Steveknj

A few observations about last night:

1) What's with Sandra's attitude? What would she gain by sabotaging everything which would guarantee her being gone? What a baby!! I'm glad she wised up and saw she still had a chance.

2) Collosal mistake Burton taking Jon. At first I thought maybe the plan was to finalized their strategy with nobody around, but, since their were rumblings the past two weeks about a girl alliance, I knew they were doomed.

3) Is there enough jelly in a Welch's factory to fill Lil's backbone? I thought for sure she was going to give it up when Jon approached her in the water. He's a lot dumber than I thought if he didn't realize what was going on by her reaction. I'll BET half of Sunday night Lil is going to whine about how she stabbed Burton in the back.

4) That immunity challenge was so tailor made for Darrah, I would have sweared that it was planned that way. But, Jon almost caught her, and he's a wrestler and skinny, so he should have done well in the game. I predicted at the merge that Darrah would win, and I'm sticking to it, but, in Survivor I, the same kind of thing happened, the gal who made it to the final two (I can't remember her name) laid low and then won all the challenges at the end to get herself in the final, but she lost.

5) Don't forget what I call the "Big Brother" factor. In last year's Big Brother, the final two spent the whole last show explaining to everyone their strategy to stab everyone else in the back, to lie and cheat. Will, did the same thing in BB2 to win. When the jury looks back on the game, will they decide on Darrah, who didn't do much more than win immunity to get where she got or will they choose Jon who played the game the whole way. If they look at things objectively, they might say, "Hey, Jon played us well, he deserves to win". I don't see Sandra or Lil winning because they can't win immunity, but either can make the finals because they are considered weaker.

My prediction, Darrah over Lil or Jon.

Posted by: JEbbesen

I'm still liking Jon for the final two assuming he can win immunity. He would be my choice if I were faced with picking him or any of the remaining women. Hasn�t he said all along he was going for second? But as Colby showed, the brightest moves are not always made.

There were quite a few priceless moments last night weren�t there?

Posted by: suzyq

That was a great episode! I cannot wait until Sunday!

I have to agree, the look on Jon's face and the jurors' reactions were priceless! I won't be deleting that for awhile. And, shame on you Burton! I hope you can live with your cry baby self. :down:

Sandra has become an interesting player. Granted, a total bitch and spiteful too, but she used her position well last night. She knew that Jon would work her over and that he'd assume she would go along with anything he said. She gained a *little* respect from me last night. If nothing else, she was good for some laughs. :p

I see Darah making it to the final two, unless she doesn't win immunity. She has proven a strong player, so if she doesn't win immunity, I see her being voted out. Jon has lied to everyone, Lil is an outcast, so if it's not Darah, it's Sandra in the final two. She's just ridden coattails. It will be very interesting to see the jury's votes.

Posted by: pmyers

Why do these people seem to be so afraid of going up against Lil in the final two? I really don't think anybody would vote for Lil...do you? They all seem sure that she is a lock to win if she's in the final two.

Posted by: Steveknj

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
Why do these people seem to be so afraid of going up against Lil in the final two? I really don't think anybody would vote for Lil...do you? They all seem sure that she is a lock to win if she's in the final two.

Because those LIVING the game know a lot more than those of use WATCHING the game. Remember, we are only shown what Burnett and his crew want us to see, AND only a small portion of the TC.

Posted by: MikeekiM

quote:
Originally posted by VegasVic
I agree with the above post. As much of a baby Burton was at the end of last nights show, Rupert is the all time biggest whiner. By far. I hope he goes early in the allstar Survivor. And unfortunately he'll probably get more face time on the reunion show than any other.

He didn't make his appearance on the David Letterman show...

I figured he was just too p*ssed off to appear on the show...but who knows, could have been other reasons I suppose...

Posted by: Skittles

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
Why do these people seem to be so afraid of going up against Lil in the final two? I really don't think anybody would vote for Lil...do you? They all seem sure that she is a lock to win if she's in the final two.

I totally agree. Even if all three girls have ridden coat tails to get this far, Lill is the worst of the three offenders. Any of the other three would be smart to keep Lill and take her to the Final Two, and they'd get an easy win.

Posted by: grecorj

quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
#3 and #4 get nada, IIRC.

Everyone wins something on Survivor.

The first person voted off gets $2500; 1st prize is $1MM of course; 2nd prize is $100,000.

According to this article, Jan (Thailand), who finished 3rd, won about $85,000.

http://www.sptimes.com/2002/12/21/T...ikely_pat.shtml

Posted by: dschwab

quote:
Originally posted by mshiu
He didn't make his appearance on the David Letterman show...

I figured he was just too p*ssed off to appear on the show...but who knows, could have been other reasons I suppose...

He was filming the All-Star show in Panama.

Posted by: dschwab

I'm not understanding all the hatred towards Burton. Aside from being a bit arrogant these last few weeks, what has the guy done wrong? He's a great competitor, had a decent strategy to play the game, and worked hard at camp. The same can't be said for any of the girls. I'm glad that the girls finally pulled their heads out of their behinds, but coattail-riders Lil and Sandra are hardly deserving of the Final 2 prizes. Granted, I got some satisfaction out of seeing the girls do exactly what Burton and Jon decided they couldn't do, and his farewell speech was pathetic, but if Lil or Sandra wins this thing it will be the most ridiculous Survivor win so far.

Posted by: JEbbesen

"I'm not understanding all the hatred towards Burton."

I lost respect when he wined about Lil breaking their pack, despite the fact the he voted for her. What a moron.

Posted by: suzyq

quote:
Originally posted by dschwab
I'm not understanding all the hatred towards Burton.

He's an outcast. I think a lot of people feel he shouldn't have even been allowed back into the game after being voted out once.

I don't hate him. I thought he was very arrogant and I'm happy that he was voted out. His speech just shows how arrogant he is! (or what a cry baby he is) :D

Posted by: Skittles

quote:
Originally posted by dschwab
He was filming the All-Star show in Panama.

I'm pretty sure he's not in the All-Star show.

I'd be willing to bet he doesn't have to appear on the Letterman show since he's an outcast. Didn't he already have his appearance on the Late Show the first time he was voted out?

Posted by: Frank_M

They've certainly been editing Darah as if she were the "winner" the last month or so... but I don't know, I think there's more to Sandra than meets the eye. First off, she's funny as hell, and second -- she'd be able to claim (and rightly so) that that huge head start her tribe got out to (before the stupid 'thrown' immunity) was largely part to her skill in negotiations on day one.

Posted by: pmyers

I think Sandra has a great chance of winning or at least the final two. If everybody is as afraid of Lil as they seem to be....Lil will get voted out next.

Posted by: dschwab

quote:
Originally posted by Skittles
I'm pretty sure he's not in the All-Star show.

I'd be willing to bet he doesn't have to appear on the Letterman show since he's an outcast. Didn't he already have his appearance on the Late Show the first time he was voted out?

I believe the original poster was referring to Rupert being the biggest whiner, then mshiu replied that he didn't make his Letterman appearance.

Posted by: TreborPugly

quote:
Originally posted by Skittles
I'm pretty sure he's not in the All-Star show.

They were talking about Rupert, who by all accounts is on the All-Star show.

Posted by: geoman47

Last night�s episode was definitely a classic. It seemed like such a slam dunk that Jon or Burton was gone after winning the reward challenge that my wife and I pleasantly argued about it until the final vote. Reason being, Burnett & Co. usually frame episodes a certain way, then pull the rug out in TC. Lil�s lack of backbone made me doubt until the very end.

But a fitting end for Burton. I would like to speak up for Darrah. I don�t think she�s really ridden on anyone�s coattails. She simply came into the merge from the weaker tribe, Drake, not really her fault. And her biggest allies were voted out immediately after the merge. So, in a sense, she has gone under the radar, but really, considering how she got where she is now, she�s done a better job than many still left.

Posted by: Skittles

quote:
Originally posted by TreborPugly
They were talking about Rupert, who by all accounts is on the All-Star show.

Whoops, my bad. Sorry about that!

Although, didn't the All-Star show only start shooting 3 weeks ago? If so, then Rupert's appearance on Sunday's All-Star show would be a dead giveaway he didn't get very far.

Posted by: dschwab

I'll put a spoiler tag on this since it has to do with the final TC, although I don't know who is involved or who wins and this won't include any names or references to any of the remaining Survivors:

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)

Apparently one of the ousted Survivor's said in an interview recently that the final TC has 5 "Sue Hawk" speeches and that the final TC is brutal towards the finalists.

As far as Rupert and the All-Star show, I believe the timing worked out just right so that the filming of the All-Star show wrapped just prior to the finale of the current Survivor. The All-Star final TC may have happened last night IIRC, I'm thinking there was a 3-day buffer.

Posted by: TreborPugly

quote:
Originally posted by Skittles
Whoops, my bad. Sorry about that!

Although, didn't the All-Star show only start shooting 3 weeks ago? If so, then Rupert's appearance on Sunday's All-Star show would be a dead giveaway he didn't get very far.

Nope, you're out of the loop. This has been discussed elsewhere, and the All Star show was to be finished shooting before the Finale this Sunday.

Posted by: janry

I disliked Mr. Fairplay from the first episode. But until last night's show, he demonstrated that he knew what he was doing for the most part. But for Burton and him to have made a pact to take one another on the reward seemed totally anal.

His expression when Burton was voted off had me thinking that once again the game is on his track. I believe in the next episode he will schmooze the women telling them how bright they were and how much they surprised him and Burton.

Then, he is going to get Sandra (and maybe Lil) to the side and make a deal persuading them that it would be in their best interest to take him with them to the final two since the jury despises him.

Then I expect the jury by a narrow margin will vote for Jon out of respect for the way he was able to manipulate so many of the other players.

Posted by: LlamaLarry

quote:
Originally posted by cello
:::snip:::I don't get Burton's speech at the end ... wasn't he breaking his alliance with Lil by voting for her as much as she was breaking her alliance with him? Oh well.

Yeah even my kids picked up on that. Hopefully Burton is more than a little ashamed at coming at Lill from his high horse just because he got voted out when he was supposed to be turning on her. I imagine he is going to play it off that he voted for her "because she was ready to go". It pisses me off every time someone tries to justify voting for someone as anything besides "I am voting for you because *I* want me to win instead of you."

Posted by: TreborPugly

So, is Jon in love with Burton or what? His multiple, vigorous hugs, his giggly pleasure at a day off with Burton, his statement that he can actually say he's pleased Burton won the car and not be lying...

I loved how Jon was proclaiming his supperior intelligence while the girls were sticking to their plan. I don't really give them much credit for their intelligence, but at least they stuck to their agreement, and were smart enough to realize that's what they should do.

I'm amazed at how the guys didn't get truly scared when they realized the girls were spinning a tale about what went on when the guys were at their reward. It is so obvious when Lill is lying. And Burton and Jon both mentioned that they thought the girls were BS'ing them.

Frankly, it all came down to Jon's prediction of Sandra's choice. And he wasn't wrong I think. If she had been a bit less confident in Darah and Lill, she probably would have flipped.

I think the argument about Lill being dangerous in the final two was a ruse that everyone started believing. Jon told that to Darah to secure her loyalty last episode. But I don't think he believed it. Jon and Burton only picked Lill this episode because Darah won immunity, and they were confident in Sandra's self-interest.

I'm rooting for Darah and Sandra in the final two. Not Lill because of the whole outcast business, and not Jon because I hate him.

Posted by: Skittles

quote:
Originally posted by TreborPugly
Nope, you're out of the loop. This has been discussed elsewhere, and the All Star show was to be finished shooting before the Finale this Sunday.

Well, that shows what I get for avoiding the All-Star spoiler thread. :( Again, my bad.

Posted by: Dafaso

quote:
Originally posted by TreborPugly
So, is Jon in love with Burton or what? His multiple, vigorous hugs, his giggly pleasure at a day off with Burton, his statement that he can actually say he's pleased Burton won the car and not be lying...

I was thinking the same thing when watching them enjoy the reward together. When they were preparing to go to sleep in the back of that SUV I thought 'Wow, this is Jon's lucky day! I wonder if he'll try anything!'

Posted by: IJustLikeTivo

quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
#3 and #4 get nada, IIRC.

I thought I read somewhere during one of the earlier survivors that they actually get paid union scale for TV work which is something like $500 per day. Appropriate since they are acting if true.

I have to think they must be compensated in some way. Virtually all of them have jobs and endure hardships to do this, they must get something out of it besides theie 15 minutes of fame.

For sure, they get paid for all the appearances they do on the morning show, late show etc when they get back along with expense money and appearance fees for the reunion show.

Posted by: IJustLikeTivo

quote:
Originally posted by purple6816
Darah will win it. I am not sure who is next John or Lil. But, both deserve it. The last 3 hours will be worth the wait.

Just watched the VH1 show and it was great. Missed the end. Tivo did not know it was longer then an hour. I dont know what happened after 60 minutes.

VH1 Show? Which one?

Posted by: llurgy

It was only just over a month ago that I switched from E* to D*, I could only get the superstations and no locals so I didnt get Survivor, but since changing companies started watching it from when Rupert got thrown out of the tribe.
I have a few questions if someone would be so kind......

What did Burton mean last night when he was talking about being voted out once already?? How come he was still playing if he had been voted out?
What happens at the end, like with the Jury and everything?? Plus how do they decided who gets on the jury? Is it just the people from the final 10 or so?

BTW....I think it was Jons plan to get rid of Burton all along and the girls played right into his hands, and Limp-Lill is play acting about being crazy :)

Mandy

Posted by: Philosofy

quote:
Originally posted by IJustLikeTivo
VH1 Show? Which one?

It was a show called VH1 Goes Inside... Survivor. Had interviews with Burnett, Probst, and several contestants. It was pretty cool. They had the show Dr. on, and lots of inside things. For instance, Jerri in the outback offered the crew *anything* they wanted for a Snickers bar. And when Richard Hatch casually talked to Susan Hawk and said "Who are we voting out tonight?" it just blew Probst's mind. He hadn't considered formal alliances before that.

Posted by: vman

Burton was on the CBS morning show this morning and the first caller asked him about his speech criticizing Lil. He said that it was actually Lill that broke their alliance first, since it was clear the women were all lying about not considering a 3-way alliance while Burton and Jon were gone. He continued to claim he only ever promised her to never lie to her, and to take her as far as he could, and believes he lived up to both promises.

I don't agree with his comments, but that's what the man said. He also was pretty cocky -- when asked if he was concerned about getting dates given his criticisms of many of the women, he said that Jon actually made most of the negative comments and he just said the women couldn't get a strategy. He also added that he's not concerned at all about getting dates.

While I only remember him promising the other outcasts he would not lie to them if voted back in, I do seem to recall him telling (maybe not promising) Lill that he and she could be final two if she voted with Drake after the merge.

Posted by: ccouger

I wonder if in past Survivor shows the jury might also have had the same type of high-five reaction to a vote, but maybe it wasn't shown on tv? I'm glad they captured this one, it was a great moment!

Usually it's so obvious who's going to go, from the episode's editing, but I admit up until the end last night I was in suspense. I just didn't trust either Lil or Sandra to stick to their word, based on how they've decided to vote in the past. So for once it wasn't telegraphed so far ahead. This edition of Survivor has really been an entertaining show. Great mix of people and twists, they've kept it watchable and interesting to the very end!

Posted by: Big_Daddy

quote:
Originally posted by Skittles
I totally agree. Even if all three girls have ridden coat tails to get this far, Lill is the worst of the three offenders. Any of the other three would be smart to keep Lill and take her to the Final Two, and they'd get an easy win.

And now she's angered quite a few of the jurors - she was instrumental in voting of Christa, T, Rupert, and now "betrayed" Burton. AND she's an outcast.

Not a lot of love there. Sandra or Darrah could easily whup her. Jon would be closer, but I think he could take her.

Posted by: timr_42

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I hope Jon wins. I hate him, but I think until last night has played the better game. He was worked every one, and I kept hoping that he would be eaten by a shark ;) , he has stayed in.
I didn't want Lil or Burton in the final 4, I do not like the outcast twist. I liked Sandra until she started her sabatoge of the tribe. I liked Rubert but I always said he played to strong, I knew he would not last and his 'poor me' speech when he left changed my opinion about him.(it is a game).

Posted by: DLiquid

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
I think Sandra has a great chance of winning or at least the final two. If everybody is as afraid of Lil as they seem to be....Lil will get voted out next.

If it's Darrah vs. Sandra, the only votes I think Sandra will get are Rupert's and Christa's. If Darrah can make it to the final two, it's an easy win for her.

Posted by: smak

Was that "tallying of the votes" rigged to go Lil, Lil, Burton, Burton Burton.

I seem to recall a lot of the vote tallies where it's a surprise have the loser start out without any votes, and then they pile them up at the end to make it even more of a shock.

As for the jury, I just think they were waiting for somebody to finally vote out Burton for 3-4 weeks and they finally saw it happen like it was supposed to and were happy.

And Burton & Lil broke their alliances equally, since Burton & Jon planned to vote out Lil if Darrah won immunity. They could have voted out Sandra and Burton would have kept his word to Lil.

-smak-

Posted by: DLiquid

quote:
Originally posted by smak
Was that "tallying of the votes" rigged to go Lil, Lil, Burton, Burton Burton.

When Jeff says, "I'll go tally the votes," I think you should take that to mean, "the producers will now arrange the votes for the most dramatic effect."

Posted by: TreborPugly

quote:
Originally posted by smak
Was that "tallying of the votes" rigged to go Lil, Lil, Burton, Burton Burton.

They've always ordered the votes and then read them off for dramatic affect. That's a pretty mild tweak to make the show more interesting. Otherwise there would have been several times in these, what, 6 seasons, that the loser would be revealed without noticing a very close vote. The only time they don't show the rest of the votes is when it isn't interesting to do so. (ie, almost all the votes for the same person, or just a few scattered votes for a couple of other people)

Treb.

Posted by: MikeekiM

I haven't been watching long... I just started a several episodes ago, and have never watched the previous survivor incarnations...

Couple of questions:

1. How does the "Jury" work? It doesn't look like ALL of the folks voted off are on it...just the more recent... And how does the voting work? Is there some pleaing that goes on before a vote? I don't know what the process is...

2. How does the TC work when there is no clear loser... So let's say it came up that there was 2 burton, 2 lil and 1 jon? Or what if there was 1 vote for each person? how do the rules handle those situations?

Thanks!

Posted by: Philosofy

mshie,

I'll get a little of this wrong, but: its starts out with 2 tribes of 16. They compete in group challenges, both reward and immunity (one of each per episode). The loser of the immunity challenge must vote a member off. This goes on until there are 10 (or is it 12?) people left, then the tribes merge. The competitions become individual. The jury is composed of 7 members, who will vote for the winner out of the final two contestants. If there is a tie, they used to count previous votes. Now they either have a quiz, or just draw by random chance.

Some things they have done to shake things up are to mix the members of the tribes halfway through, allow people already voted out to compete to get back in the game (this is new, and just happened in Panama. Burton and Lil won the chance to return to the gaem.)

Posted by: fmowry

quote:
Originally posted by TreborPugly

I'm rooting for Darah and Sandra in the final two. Not Lill because of the whole outcast business, and not Jon because I hate him.

It just amazes me how you have such hatred for Jon because he lied about (boohoo) his granny having kicked the bucket, yet when dispicable Sandra says she wants the tribe to starve because she won't be there to deal with the ramifications of her actions, you're fine with it.

Jon is lying to gain an advantage and win the game. Sandra is simply a whining, complaining baby. No strategy, no ability, no nothing.

Sandra is without a doubt my most hated contestant ever. She just seems like such a miserable person.

Oh well, to each his own.

Go Jon!

Frank

Posted by: Steveknj

For the record, I hated Jon BEFORE the grandma episode. He was always stirring up trouble, and at the onset, he was very lazy. His whole attitude struck me wrong as I don't like overconfident, self absorbed people on the whole. And of course, I'm not a big pro-wrestling fan.

Posted by: TivoDaddy

The look on Burton's face as the votes were being cast for Lill was awesome. You could see him relieved that the votes were going the way he planned, even after the first vote for him. After the second vote for him, he started to get nervous, as well as Jon. Priceless when he got the last vote! :D

Sandra's lying during TC also kept Jon and Burton clueless, as she said that she didn't have the effort to even talk to others. I think this was a big clue to D and Lill to keep their mouths shut. I guess Sandra couldn't keep her emotions to herself when Burton left, as she gave out a quick smirk towards D and D also smiled back.

Posted by: TreborPugly

quote:
Originally posted by fmowry
It just amazes me how you have such hatred for Jon because he lied about (boohoo) his granny having kicked the bucket, yet when dispicable Sandra says she wants the tribe to starve because she won't be there to deal with the ramifications of her actions, you're fine with it.

Jon is lying to gain an advantage and win the game. Sandra is simply a whining, complaining baby. No strategy, no ability, no nothing.

Sandra is without a doubt my most hated contestant ever. She just seems like such a miserable person.

Oh well, to each his own.

Go Jon!

Frank

Jon is a jerk, other than the specific lies. He did the Grandma lie just so he could be the most dispicable player ever. He was a jerk from day 1. That's why I don't like him. He makes horrible, disrespectful jokes, and shows not one honorable characteristic.

Sandra's strategy has been that she will swing whichever way the wind is blowing. That is a pretty good strategy, given that it has gotten her to the final 4. She contemplated sabotage, and I certainly wouldn't have approved of that, but she didn't actually do it. She was nice to the villagers when the whole game started, when many others just started yelling until they got what they wanted. She made real friendships with many of the Drake tribe, and worked as a team until Jon managed to disrupt that. Being a less vocal member of a strong alliance is not bad strategy, as we've seen again and again. I was amazed at her and Christa's stupidity when they didn't stick with T and D when they had the chance of 4 on 3. At least she learned from her mistakes when she had 3 on 2 this episode.

And I'm not saying that I was rooting for her to win. It is just that of the 4 left, I hope it is Darrah and Sandra, since I don't really want an Outcast to win, and as I said, I hate Jon.

Treb.

Posted by: uncdrew

So D has now won immunity challenges that dealt with:

Intellect (word de-scrambling, even though she kinda won by default)
Balance and speed (the planks)
Aim (shooting the rifles)

You never know what the next immunity challenge will be, nor are we quite sure if they're rigged to be best-suited for the person the producers want to win. But I guess D is the favorite to win immunity.

Jon doesn't win them. Other than last challenge's second place, he's usually not even close. So I'll assume he won't win the next one.

How does he stick around? He's done amazingly well to last this long, so the 3 remaining women must know that he will get votes from the Tribal Council if he makes the final 2. I'm guessing that he's gone next.

Posted by: Skittles

Based on previous Survivor shows, I think it's likely that the final Immunity Challenge will involve an endurance contest of some sort. There's really no most likely winner for that IMHO, though I do see Lill dropping out quickly.

Posted by: Philosofy

The only reason Darah won immunity was she had hands small enough to grab the keys with only one canteen of water. Even then, Jon wasn't far behind. In the back of my mind, I keep thinking she's Anubis, since we don't see her around here often.

Posted by: TreborPugly

quote:
Originally posted by Skittles
Based on previous Survivor shows, I think it's likely that the final Immunity Challenge will involve an endurance contest of some sort. There's really no most likely winner for that IMHO, though I do see Lill dropping out quickly.

Darrah I believe did an excellent job of hanging for a really long time, in one of the team challenges. I think the job the women did being the weight was just as painful as the job Rupert and Osten did holding them up...

Treb.

Edit: Oh, and also, she had the initiative to stick her hand down in there, which just didn't occur to anyone else. Sandra, Lill, and Jon all eventually started doing that, reaching nearly as far as she did. And Jon wasn't really that close, even including the one fall she had.

Edit again: Oh, but did anyone notice her just walk out of the cage in the reward challenge after Burton won? Probst started throwing people their keys, and she just stepped through the bars... Loved that.

Posted by: DLiquid

quote:
Originally posted by Skittles
Based on previous Survivor shows, I think it's likely that the final Immunity Challenge will involve an endurance contest of some sort. There's really no most likely winner for that IMHO, though I do see Lill dropping out quickly.

I agree. I think the other immunity is probably a quiz about the booted contestants.

Posted by: Skittles

quote:
Originally posted by DLiquid
I agree. I think the other immunity is probably a quiz about the booted contestants.

I also agree with that. If it's true, I suspect the quiz will be the first immunity challenge, occuring right in front of the jury. Immunity will be given out, with voting following immediately after that.

Posted by: BattMan

Since yall are talking about the vote tabliture, I will let you in on what I am seeing. (I ran the broadcasting lab at A&M for two years, and have edited more video than I like to remember.)

If you notice, they never show Jeff Probst's face when he says "Thats two votes Lil, one vote Burton." It seems like that part is a voice over. That tribal council part seems very hokey and strongly edited. When they show his mouth speaking at tribal council when counting the votes - he always says only the name. The amount of votes is always a voice over.

The could do them in any order and place them in video in any order. It just makes for more interesting TV.

Posted by: uncdrew

Hah. If it's an endurance race, there might not be a winner.

And if it's swimming...

Posted by: FourFourSeven

quote:
Originally posted by fmowry
Sandra is simply a whining, complaining baby. No strategy, no ability, no nothing.

Until this most recent episode, I'd agree with you on her lack of strategy. But then:
1) She got the women together
2) She successfully lied through her teeth to Jon ("I swear on my two kids" and all that nonsense - beating Jon at his own game!)
3) She made it seem like she would be the best one for Jon and Burton to approach for an alliance (knowing, I suspect, that Darrah and especially WorstContestantEver had less ability to lie and less spine, and would potentially switch sides)
4) She managed to keep Darrah and WorstContestantEver together in the alliance.

Meanwhile, oh-so-brilliant Jon agreed with Burton that they'd go on the reward trip together, leaving the three women alone to strategize against them.

Sandra shone this episode.

Posted by: smak

quote:
Originally posted by BattMan
Since yall are talking about the vote tabliture, I will let you in on what I am seeing. (I ran the broadcasting lab at A&M for two years, and have edited more video than I like to remember.)

If you notice, they never show Jeff Probst's face when he says "Thats two votes Lil, one vote Burton." It seems like that part is a voice over. That tribal council part seems very hokey and strongly edited. When they show his mouth speaking at tribal council when counting the votes - he always says only the name. The amount of votes is always a voice over.

The could do them in any order and place them in video in any order. It just makes for more interesting TV.

Yah, i thought so in earlier seasons as well.

The only problem I see with this is for the integrity of the show (ha), reading them randomly is fairer.

Like the stray vote John gave Rupert a bunch of weeks ago, if the producers can decide to show that being revealed, or have it be not revealed, they can have a say in the outcome of the game by trying to piss Rupert off.

Maybe that happened because every vote was needed, and they have some sort of policy that votes are counted so if there are any unread votes they are for the person voted out.

Besides, the castaways are too savvy for this anyway, after the first few weeks there are hardly any councils where there are more than 2 people with votes. Usually there are 2 alliances and they try to vote one member of the other one off.

-smak-

Posted by: YCantAngieRead

The only thing that would make me happy at this point would be to see Jon carted into the reunion show in a full body cast because his grandmother had beat the crap out of him. If she didn't, I'll send MY grandmother to beat him silly-she could do it, too, and she's in her mid-80's. She'd call it a blow for all grandmothers everywhere.

I don't really get the outright hostility towards Rupert, by the way. God forbid someone show his true feelings on things. Or be talented at the game itself, and not the scheming.

And yes, I disliked Jon since the beginning as well. I figure he told the grandmother lie to get people out here talking about him and remembering him. And sadly, I guess we will.

I don't think there's any way he's going to make it to the final three. The alliance among the women seems very strong at this point.

Posted by: MikeekiM

You know, at first, I agreed with everyone's comments on Burton's whining over Lil breaking their alliance, when he also voted her off and did the same...

HOWEVER...

I just saw the part where Burton casts his vote, and before he places his vote for Lil in the canister, he comments that he is voting her out because she broke their alliance...

So his comments seem to be more about the breaking of the alliance as a result of her actions during the last few days which resulted in her vote, as opposed to the vote itself... (Did I say that right?)

I forget whether this footage was in the episode (I deleted it), but I have access to "Survivor Insider" footage on the internet, and every week they have extended voting booth footage...

Posted by: TRILIGHT

I still say Sandra has not done anything remarkable whatsoever...

quote:
Originally posted by FourFourSeven
Until this most recent episode, I'd agree with you on her lack of strategy. But then:
1) She got the women together

Did this really take anyone with more than half a clue anyway?? Hello! 3 women against 2 guys who've been monopolizing the strategy! I'm not impressed with her mastery of the obvious.

quote:
2) She successfully lied through her teeth to Jon ("I swear on my two kids" and all that nonsense - beating Jon at his own game!)

Ok, now where are all the people saying that Sandra is mean and disrespectful like Jon? She just swore on her children!! As for being able to pull off a single lie, I'm just not impressed.

quote:
3) She made it seem like she would be the best one for Jon and Burton to approach for an alliance (knowing, I suspect, that Darrah and especially WorstContestantEver had less ability to lie and less spine, and would potentially switch sides)

Not really. Seemed to me they were hitting Lil and Sandra equally about voting D off. I don't think her "acting" had anything to do with them approaching her. They were planning on doing so anyway.

quote:
4) She managed to keep Darrah and WorstContestantEver together in the alliance.

She didn't "manage" anything. The other two just finally woke up to the obvious also. Nevermind that it took them the whole damn game to catch onto the concept. Sandra didn't have to manage or juggle anything at all.

quote:
Sandra shone this episode.

Not really. She simply did not do anything that impressive at all. She pointed out the glaring obvious to the others and then "laid low". Doesn't take a hell of a lot of talent for that. Sandra couldn't shine even if you shoved a 500,000 candlewatt searchlight up her butt. :D

Posted by: DLL66

quote:
Originally posted by BattMan
Since yall are talking about the vote tabliture, I will let you in on what I am seeing. (I ran the broadcasting lab at A&M for two years, and have edited more video than I like to remember.)

If you notice, they never show Jeff Probst's face when he says "Thats two votes Lil, one vote Burton." It seems like that part is a voice over. That tribal council part seems very hokey and strongly edited. When they show his mouth speaking at tribal council when counting the votes - he always says only the name. The amount of votes is always a voice over.

The could do them in any order and place them in video in any order. It just makes for more interesting TV.

_____________

And your point is...................................?

Posted by: FourFourSeven

quote:
Originally posted by TRILIGHT
[B]I still say Sandra has not done anything remarkable whatsoever...

Did this really take anyone with more than half a clue anyway?? Hello! 3 women against 2 guys who've been monopolizing the strategy! I'm not impressed with her mastery of the obvious.

I agree - it may be obvious, but the comment that she was a "terrible" contestant was being unfair when she at least pulled off the obvious. And one could argue that she was intentionally playing the "I'm so dumb" angle so she could continue to stay in the game, remain a "good guy" to people on the jury, and get Burton out when it mattered most. I think she WANTS to go against Jon in the final - she knows she'll beat him...

quote:

Ok, now where are all the people saying that Sandra is mean and disrespectful like Jon? She just swore on her children!! As for being able to pull off a single lie, I'm just not impressed.

But boy oh boy, that single lie worked to her advantage, huh? All of Jon's lies may have helped him stick around a while, but I'd suspect it'll cost him with the jury... And I have no problem with contestants being mean or disrespectful - Jon or anyone else. The game would be very boring if it was all touchy-feely-huggy (Colby and Tina come to mind...)

quote:

Not really. Seemed to me they were hitting Lil and Sandra equally about voting D off. I don't think her "acting" had anything to do with them approaching her. They were planning on doing so anyway.

Yeah, it appeared they were feeling all the contestants out, but Sandra made it look like she was the most appropriate to bring into the alliance.

quote:

The other two just finally woke up to the obvious also. Nevermind that it took them the whole damn game to catch onto the concept. Sandra didn't have to manage or juggle anything at all.

You're giving WorstContestantEver way too much credit... And hey, they're in the final four. Burton is not. Who cares how long it takes to figure it out if you're still in the game?

I am NOT suggesting that Sandra is brilliant - don't get me wrong. But as of last week, I was thinking she was an absolute moron. As of this week, I'm not so sure any more. She's left in the game with:
-The villian
-An outcast who's also the worst contestant ever (have I made that clear yet? :))
-Someone she's been unable to vote out yet (because of immunity)

She's set up about as well as she could be for the final vote - that's probably the best final four she could hope for. Think she'd be better off with Rupert and Christa in the final four?

Posted by: ccouger

Hasn't the final challenge usually been the one where they have to balance on something and keep one hand on a pole? The women survivors have been good at that in the past. But the show also hasn't had the traditional trivia contest of info about the other survivors yet this season, either. And, no food auction, so I guess they are trying to do fresh challenges to break up the predictability.

Is this the first Survivor season that hasn't had tapes from home of the Survivors' families, or did they stop doing that a few seasons back? That would have made it very difficult for Johnny Fairplay to see the tape and then say, oh, but Grandma died. And the family visit used to include goodies from home for everybody else who didn't get a family visit. I always liked that part because it gave you a glimpse of what their "real" life was like back home, and tended to humanize the players that had seemed almost like villains. It seemed strange that this time the family visit offered nothing for the other players. Though I guess that was just in keeping with the pirate theme? It makes me wonder what other changes are going to take place for the last episode!

Posted by: JEbbesen

quote:
Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
Or be talented at the game itself, and not the scheming.

The scheming IS the game unless we're watching different programs.

Posted by: Jstkiddn

quote:
Originally posted by mshiu
You know, at first, I agreed with everyone's comments on Burton's whining over Lil breaking their alliance, when he also voted her off and did the same...

HOWEVER...

I just saw the part where Burton casts his vote, and before he places his vote for Lil in the canister, he comments that he is voting her out because she broke their alliance...

So his comments seem to be more about the breaking of the alliance as a result of her actions during the last few days which resulted in her vote, as opposed to the vote itself... (Did I say that right?)

I forget whether this footage was in the episode (I deleted it), but I have access to "Survivor Insider" footage on the internet, and every week they have extended voting booth footage...

I admit I have not seen the extended voting booth footage, but I rewatched Burton's vote that was shown on the broadcast just last night and he plainly said he was voting for Lill because he did not want to go up against her in the final two.

Posted by: Mikkel_Knight

quote:
Originally posted by smak
Like the stray vote John gave Rupert a bunch of weeks ago, if the producers can decide to show that being revealed, or have it be not revealed, they can have a say in the outcome of the game by trying to piss Rupert off.

Maybe that happened because every vote was needed, and they have some sort of policy that votes are counted so if there are any unread votes they are for the person voted out.
-smak-

Tribal Council is where you are held accountable for your actions.

If one were to vote against someone, one will be held accountable...

I seem to recall only one vote out of every other tribal council in every previous season that didn't get shown that should have (one person voted a random "throw-away" vote). I dont' recall who it was or what season it was, but it seemed odd to me... I believe it was early in the show when alliances hadn't formed yet... Season 2?? 3??

Posted by: Mikkel_Knight

quote:
Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
I don't really get the outright hostility towards Rupert, by the way. God forbid someone show his true feelings on things. Or be talented at the game itself, and not the scheming.

The game is about scheming. The game isn't about survival skills and your ability to survive in the wild (though rumor has it that the All-Star season is going to be the most brutal when it comes to the show not providing anything to the contestants at all) - the game is about surviving the politics of people. I don't hold any hostility towards Rupert (though I thought his little high-five display was rather childish - the jury is there to observe, not participate, which clearly they did give an idication to the remaining contestants their feelings) but if he doesn't learn anything from watching this season and/or catching up on previous seasons, he'll be one of the first people voted out. He could be a great player. Right now (at least up until he was voted out) he has a great ability to survive the elements (minus the humans).

Posted by: scottjf8

I have a question regarding the immunity challenges.. does anyone think they are rigged, or anything?

Reason I ask is -- if you re-watch the immunity challenge, pay close attention to Darrah's top at the end... when she comes back with the flag, she's only wearing the bikini top, and they cut over real quick to the others, then back to her and Probst when he says she won.. when it cuts back, she's wearing her buff as a top....

Seems like an editing issue, or she could have pulled it up REAL quick, but if it's an editing issue, then they filmed it twice? I dont' get it...

Posted by: bicker

quote:
Originally posted by fmowry
It just amazes me how you have such hatred for Jon because he lied about (boohoo) his granny having kicked the bucket, yet when dispicable Sandra says she wants the tribe to starve because she won't be there to deal with the ramifications of her actions, you're fine with it.

I'm a bit puzzled by that dichotomy as well. Both Sandra and Jon have gone over the line IMHO. However, Jon has committed what many folks would consider a mortal sin, in telling such a grievous lie. It's similar to yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater: It isn't ethical to pull a prank like that, because of the problems associated with people becoming used to such pranks, and therefore being less responsible to the claim. That could, of course, result in a lot of unnecessary death. While Jon's lie isn't quite that bad, it does now result in a situation whereby any claims by any survivor in the future about some personal tragedy must be ignored, not matter how callous the resulting treatment of the survivor ends up being. It dehumanizes the game.

Posted by: bicker

quote:
Originally posted by scottjf8
I have a question regarding the immunity challenges.. does anyone think they are rigged, or anything?

No, not rigged. And no longer re-shot, after controversy about re-shooting some portions of challenges in the past (even though the results of the challenge were never affected). So what you're seeing is just editing.

Posted by: MikeekiM

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Originally posted by Jstkiddn
I admit I have not seen the extended voting booth footage, but I rewatched Burton's vote that was shown on the broadcast just last night and he plainly said he was voting for Lill because he did not want to go up against her in the final two.

The extended footage was not that much of an extension in some cases... It shows every single comment that each person says before casting their vote, so in some cases, it's stuff that is not in the broadcast show at all...

But in Burton's case this week, his comments were pretty brief... I just don't know if all of it was broadcasted... Here are his comments word for word from the extended footage...

"Lil you broke our alliance and you're not someone I want to go up against in the final two, so your time has come."

So his comments about the alliance come BEFORE he realizes that Lil has cast her vote, and before he has confirmation of his fears of how she will cast her vote...

Posted by: YCantAngieRead

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The scheming IS the game unless we're watching different programs.

When I said that, I meant to say that, in the traditional sense of a "castaway", a person who has to fend for themself on an island, Rupert has been the most talented. I should not have said "at the game." I should have said "Rupert is the most talented at actual survival skills." It would have been interesting to see what he could have done in the first version of Survivor, when there was very little scheming going on, at least initially.

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when it cuts back, she's wearing her buff as a top....

She wears both. I'm not sure what you're referring to since I didn't notice it, but I had noticed earlier that she wears her bikini top under her buff. Perhaps that'll help explain?

Posted by: SnakeEyes

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Originally posted by mshiu
So his comments about the alliance come BEFORE he realizes that Lil has cast her vote, and before he has confirmation of his fears of how she will cast her vote...

On the Early Show on Friday Burton said before the challenge he knew she was going to vote against him.

Posted by: kitsap

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Originally posted by bicker
It's similar to yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater: It isn't ethical to pull a prank like that, because of the problems associated with people becoming used to such pranks, and therefore being less responsible to the claim.

The following is a bit off-topic, but you're conflating two false yells:

Oliver Wendell Holmes's discussion of falsely yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater is concerned with the immediate potential trampling of theater patrons, like so many Wal-Mart shoppers, as they panic and desperately try to reach the exits. Causing this panic and the possible resulting injuries is probably not an "ethical" thing to do.

It is Aesop's discussion of falsely yelling (or, more traditionally, "crying") "Wolf!" just for fun that concerns itself with issues of legitimate claims in the future. And it isn't really so much "unethical," as just a bad idea for the person doing it ... especially if he's a boy tending sheep some distance from the village, who might need the villagers' help in the future.

We now return you to the Pearl Islands. :cool:

Posted by: bicker

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Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
She wears both. I'm not sure what you're referring to since I didn't notice it, but I had noticed earlier that she wears her bikini top under her buff. Perhaps that'll help explain?

Right. Keep in mind that they're required to wear their Buffs at all times. I think that's part of the agreement with the Buff-makers. However, I think they never anticipated having a woman as thin as Darrah wearing the buff, so it kept slipping off her (just like all her clothing has throughout the series).

Posted by: bicker

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Originally posted by kitsap
The following is a bit off-topic, but you're conflating two false yells:

Well, perhaps, but I'm not so sure. In the case of "Wolf!" the result is that that specific yeller is not believed after repeatedly "crying Wolf!" and therefore only that specific yeller is in greater danger going forward.

In this case, however, I believe "Fire!" is a more appropriate analogy, since the result is that OTHER yellers -- other folks who claim personal tragedy -- will not be granted the consideration that humanity would typically provide, as a result of *Jon's* lying -- having nothing to do with any lying of their own.

Posted by: mrboo

What's up with Darrah's voice? Not just that country twang, but the nasally monotone she speaks in. It sounds really odd. Also, I've noticed how the jury likes to shave, shower and style their hair for optimum effect (Christa looked hot with that blonde hair), but i noticed Rupert looks no different than when he was in the game, fat, slovenly and wearing a hippie tie-dye shirt.

Posted by: brianric

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Originally posted by Mikkel_Knight
I believe it was early in the show when alliances hadn't formed yet... Season 2?? 3??

Alliances started being formed since Survivor 1. Probst overheard Richard Hatch and Susan Hawk discussing who they were going to vote out that night. It never dawned on MB that alliances were being formed.

Posted by: YCantAngieRead

Hey! No knocking the tie dye. Rupert looks pretty much like me on an average day. Minus the beard. :D

Posted by: SnakeEyes

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Originally posted by brianric
Alliances started being formed since Survivor 1. Probst overheard Richard Hatch and Susan Hawk discussing who they were going to vote out that night. It never dawned on MB that alliances were being formed.

Where did ya hear about MB not knowing?

Posted by: Peter000

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Originally posted by SnakeEyes
Where did ya hear about MB not knowing?

The VH1 special about Survivor mentioned that. Probst was talking about the first time they found out about the alliance; they first overheard Hatch plotting who they were going to vote out first, then Hatch mentioned alliances during the first tribal council and that's basically how that strategy started. MB and JP had no idea that would happen; they thought it would be more a "Lord of the Flies" kind of thing where everyone was out for themselves.

Posted by: Mikkel_Knight

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Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
When I said that, I meant to say that, in the traditional sense of a "castaway", a person who has to fend for themself on an island, Rupert has been the most talented. I should not have said "at the game." I should have said "Rupert is the most talented at actual survival skills." It would have been interesting to see what he could have done in the first version of Survivor, when there was very little scheming going on, at least initially.

Oh... there was a whole lot of scheming going on in Palau Tiga, it just happens to be only 2 or 3 people were doing the scheming...

Posted by: lander215

I thought the jurors reaction to Burton getting the vote was classic. Finally, you get to see reaction by participants on the show that match yours at home. Doesn't happen often and I found it totally hilarious and completely un-childlike. It was something I'd have done myself. To think otherwise is ignoring the obvious.