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Posted by: dandrewk

How do you guys get such fast info re: your credit cards being debited? My Discover Card won't show today's activity until tomorrow at the earliest.

Or are you using debit cards?

Posted by: Paperboy2003

quote:
Originally posted by Tom in OH
anxiously awaiting the results of your 2nd call. This is what happened when I called and asked about the $200 credit.

My luck and I'll get the same person.

Figure I'd wait a day before banging my head against the well again (aka...calling back)

Posted by: Y0SHI

The manual states that:

"Your HD DVR needs to be connected to a standard analog phone jack for DVR service and pay per view functionality."

I thought that the DirecTivo's received their guide information (i.e. "DVR service") over the satellite feed? If its not hooked up to a phone line will the TiVo functionality not work? My HDVR2 is not connected to a phone line and works fine.

Posted by: gamecox86

quote:
Originally posted by Tom in OH
anxiously awaiting the results of your 2nd call. This is what happened when I called and asked about the $200 credit.

me too!!!

Posted by: dandrewk

Wouldn't it be ironic if my April Fools post turned out to be reality?

re: Saturday delivery - I believe that overnight deliveries are automatic for Saturday delivery. I am not sure if it applies to "economy overnight" or not.

Posted by: gamecox86

quote:
Originally posted by dandrewk
How do you guys get such fast info re: your credit cards being debited? My Discover Card won't show today's activity until tomorrow at the earliest.

Or are you using debit cards?

if you are able to check it online (and this may work on phone) you can see when there is a drop in available credit. This typically happens as soon as a charge is made (authorized).

Posted by: horta

hey all

Well now some of us got a credit, how can we get free instal? Or the real question is How easy or difficult is it to aim a Tripple LNB dish?

Jerry

OK everybody stop reading the manual and read my question.

PS Im going to go read the manual, be back in a hour or two.

Posted by: Combat Medic

quote:
Originally posted by horta
hey all

Well now some of us got a credit, how can we get free instal? Or the real question is How easy or difficult is it to aim a Tripple LNB dish?

Jerry

OK everybody stop reading the manual and read my question.

PS Im going to go read the manual, be back in a hour or two.

I did mine without any problems. The guy said I should do it for a living.

-Mike

Posted by: Tom in OH

cracks me up how pg. 28 of the manual shows how to add a VCR or DVD recorder -- this is pretty much why I bought this thing so I Don't have to add a VCR or DVD recorder...

Posted by: Shark73

quote:
Originally posted by btwyx
And if its tomorrow can they be marked for Saturday delivery.

That was my next question!!!

Posted by: Bryan Lyle

I'd be interested to see WHERE these shipped from.. because if it's coming from NY... It would make for a very nice weekend surprise :)

Posted by: maharg18

I noticed it's got a full 1 year warranty! That's a refreshing change from the standard 90 days.

Posted by: herdfan

quote:
Originally posted by ebonovic
Just checked on mine:

VALUE ELECTRONICS.COM - SCARSDALE $814.99

And that is within the last 90 minutes, as I checked my account (for another reason) just after noon.

Yipeee.....

So Jealous! :(

:) :)

But at least I have the manual. BTW, 2-up printing in landscape mode looks nice. Saves half the paper anyway. And when its finished printing, I am going to bind it. All this trouble just for the manual. We must be nuts.

Posted by: ebonovic

My charge post was no joke:

MBNA Online access, is a live time system.
The pre-auth's show up the moment they happen.. (I have confirmed this multiple time when doing web purchase).

So it is happening, and happening soon.... :)

Posted by: JEbbesen

quote:
Originally posted by herdfan
So Jealous! :(

:) :)

But at least I have the manual. BTW, 2-up printing in landscape mode looks nice. Saves half the paper anyway. I also went to the trouble to print on both sides, so I saved another half. And when its finished printing, I am going to bind it. All this trouble just for the manual. We must be nuts.

I was going to DL & print it but then I thought, I've never read one before, why start now? :D

Posted by: PJO1966

quote:
Originally posted by maharg18
I noticed it's got a full 1 year warranty! That's a refreshing change from the standard 90 days.

The downside to this is if you wanted to wait until the waranty expired before upgrading the hard drive, you would have a very long wait.

Posted by: jrock

I see the remote has the same SAT/TV switch so it won't work with an HD and SD TiVo at the same time. Hopefully the window button on the SA remote with a DVR 1/2 switch will do the same thing as the new button does.

-Joe

Posted by: oosik77

quote:
Originally posted by Tom in OH
cracks me up how pg. 28 of the manual shows how to add a VCR or DVD recorder -- this is pretty much why I bought this thing so I Don't have to add a VCR or DVD recorder...

I have a DVD recorder connected to my current DTivo so I can make copies of something I want to keep forever. Hard drives do fail ya know... :)

Posted by: RedSoxInHD

An authorization showed up on my card as well. I also use MBNA by the way.

Posted by: hongcho

Did anyone notice the Dolby Digital logo on the front panel in the manual (toward the very end)? It has "5.1" right there. :)

Hong.

Posted by: dandrewk

quote:
Originally posted by jrock
I see the remote has the same SAT/TV switch so it won't work with an HD and SD TiVo at the same time. Hopefully the window button on the SA remote with a DVR 1/2 switch will do the same thing as the new button does.

-Joe

If you had an RF capability for your remote, you could have both quite easily.

Posted by: herdfan

quote:
Originally posted by btwyx
And if its tomorrow can they be marked for Saturday delivery.

Saturday delivery is usually extra. And it must be specified as such before it ships.

Posted by: dandrewk

quote:
Originally posted by oosik77
I have a DVD recorder connected to my current DTivo so I can make copies of something I want to keep forever. Hard drives do fail ya know... :)

This is exactly what I use it for. There is virtually no loss of quality when making a DVDR recording off the TiVO in SD.

Posted by: Kamakzie

Please Robert charge my card I want to go further in debt now not next week! j/k :D

Posted by: Bryan Lyle

From page 164 of the User's Guide...

"Due to copyright restrictions, you may not be able to view some high-definition programs in high-definition format using the HD DVR."

Ugh...

Posted by: DTV TiVo Dealer

quote:
Originally posted by dandrewk
Wow, just got an email from Robert. He said that Directv has ok'd release of the HD TiVO for shipment, and the first batch will go out... TODAY!

If all goes well, those with overnight shipping will get a nice surprise tomorrow...

Yes, they are approved to release, but I understand they will be completely packed and shipped to me on Monday, April 5 '04. We should be shipping by Tuesday April 6.

Posted by: Shark73

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Yes, they are approved to release, but I understand they will be completely packed and shipped to me on Monday, April 12 '04. We should be shipping by Tuesday April 13.

What happen to next week?

Posted by: Kamakzie

Down rezzing better be for just PPV crap! Preferrably no DRing at all!

quote:
Originally posted by Bryan Lyle
From page 164 of the User's Guide...

"Due to copyright restrictions, you may not be able to view some high-definition programs in high-definition format using the HD DVR."

Ugh...

Posted by: Bryan Lyle

Ah, thanks for the clarification.... Now I can wait until Saturday to climb onto the roof and run that extra coax :) Didn't really want to go out in the rain this afternoon...

And I know it's been said here a few times... but it needs to be said again...

THANK YOU !

Posted by: sdf777

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Yes, they are approved to release, but I understand they will be completely packed and shipped to me on Monday, April 12 '04. We should be shipping by Tuesday April 13.

Shipping from where and is 200 the number or will you have more by then?

Posted by: Paperboy2003

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Yes, they are approved to release, but I understand they will be completely packed and shipped to me on Monday, April 12 '04. We should be shipping by Tuesday April 13.

Well that brings up an interesting point then.....if they are not shipping to the customer, why would they're cards be charged now. I thought it was illegal (or just not done) to charge cards before product is released for shipment to the consumer?

Just wondering......

Posted by: PJO1966

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Yes, they are approved to release, but I understand they will be completely packed and shipped to me on Monday, April 12 '04. We should be shipping by Tuesday April 13.

crap. I wish I hadn't put my HD receiver on eBay so soon.

Posted by: Tom in OH

it's been confirmed (by p. 29), all those who predicted the SD outputs would not be active unless the output is switched to 480i were correct... no simultaneous output of SD & HD.

Posted by: dandrewk

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Yes, they are approved to release, but I understand they will be completely packed and shipped to me on Monday, April 12 '04. We should be shipping by Tuesday April 13.

Robert - My post was an April Fools Joke, even though apparently some of it turned out to be true.

Posted by: Kamakzie

Will that be for just the original 200 or will it be more than that?

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Yes, they are approved to release, but I understand they will be completely packed and shipped to me on Monday, April 12 '04. We should be shipping by Tuesday April 13.

Posted by: btwyx

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Yes, they are approved to release, but I understand they will be completely packed and shipped to me on Monday, April 12 '04. We should be shipping by Tuesday April 13.

I hope that's the April fool joke.

It would seem strange to be charging cards now, only to ship in 2 weeks time. (I hope, I hope).

Posted by: Shark73

quote:
Originally posted by Paperboy2003
Well that brings up an interesting point then.....if they are not shipping to the customer, why would they're cards be charged now. I thought it was illegal (or just not done) to charge cards before product is released for shipment to the consumer?

Just wondering......

I agree completely. If they are not shipping to us until the 12th. Then there is no reason our cards should be hit today. I can see a few days in advance, but not a week and a half.

Sorry, but I don't agree with this at all.

Posted by: hoby

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Yes, they are approved to release, but I understand they will be completely packed and shipped to me on Monday, April 12 '04. We should be shipping by Tuesday April 13.

Well that sucks... which means even with overnight, I wont see it till April 14th.

Oh well, sh*t happens, I kinda wish I would have held out selling my stuff now too... gonna have to live 2 weeks without HD or Tivo now.

Posted by: oosik77

The purchase agreement said they could charge up to 5 days before shipment.

Posted by: btwyx

quote:
Originally posted by dandrewk
How do you guys get such fast info re: your credit cards being debited? My Discover Card won't show today's activity until tomorrow at the earliest.

Or are you using debit cards?

It depends on your bank's system. Whether they let the online system have access to the real time banking system, or if they upload a snapshot of the information to the online system once a day (like at night).

My credit union's online system is tied directly into their real banking system as far as I can tell. I do somthing, and its immediatly reflected in my online balances. If someone charges me $904.30 on my credit card, the available amount is immediatly reduced by $904.30. (I am using a credit card.)

Your bank is obviously still in the stone age, using batch processes.

Posted by: Shark73

quote:
Originally posted by oosik77
The purchase agreement said they could charge up to 5 days before shipment.

Well, its more than 5 days if the units are not shipped until the 13th.

I just called my broker and he told me that my credit card was hit for the balance today.

Posted by: turls

No it absolutely is not. It may only be a hold on the account, but if I SAID IF it is the actual charge DirecTV probably wanted the money up front. It isn't like that precedent hasn't already been set and documented in this thread. And you can also guess what the alternative is if you have been paying any attention to my posts at all.

Well looks like it is actual charges if I SAID IF the post above is correct. Here comes the flood. Just deal with it people.

quote:
Originally posted by Paperboy2003
Well that brings up an interesting point then.....if they are not shipping to the customer, why would they're cards be charged now. I thought it was illegal (or just not done) to charge cards before product is released for shipment to the consumer?

Posted by: Kamakzie

Maybe they are just checking them for authorization.....

Posted by: Combat Medic

quote:
Originally posted by Shark73
I agree completely. If they are not shipping to us until the 12th. Then there is no reason our cards should be hit today. I can see a few days in advance, but not a week and a half.

Sorry, but I don't agree with this at all.

Are you sure that they have been charged, and not just authorized? Normally the two are done together, but they can be done seperatly.

-Mike

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
The HR10-250 user manual is now available:

PDF (9,757 KB): http://www.2150.com/directv/files/hr10_250_manual.pdf
ZIP (9,199 KB): http://www.2150.com/directv/files/hr10_250_manual.zip

In the first hour:

555 downloads

516 of the PDF
39 of the ZIP

Posted by: sdf777

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Yes, they are approved to release, but I understand they will be completely packed and shipped to me on Monday, April 12 '04. We should be shipping by Tuesday April 13.

Please, you owe us more info than that. At least from where and how many (take 2). Thanks

Posted by: Kamakzie

Has your bandwidth provider called yet and asked you what you were doing? :D

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
In the first hour:

555 downloads

516 of the PDF
39 of the ZIP

Posted by: AGBTivo

Me too me too...

Time of Order: 3/9/2004 4:37:45 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 13788

So looking at Dougs List I am after the 350 mark. Im sure its posted in here somewhere but what time frame are we looking at with being this low in the preorder list?

Also, at this point should I expect the email from Robert on the final details to sign? I haven't received anything yet but I think that it is due to my position.

Boy I can't wait for this baby. Ive been a loyal UltimateTV user ever since they came out, but this is the device that will get me to change to Tivo.

Thanks for all the awesome info in this thread. Special thanks to Robert and Doug for all the posts keeping us up to date.

Posted by: Tom in OH

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
In the first hour:

555 downloads

516 of the PDF
39 of the ZIP

how do u know that doug? where's the counter?

Posted by: dcushing

Just checked and my card has been charged (BankOne).

I am also happily printing the manual.

Thanks Doug:D

#8

Dave

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by Tom in OH
how do u know that doug? where's the counter?

I use DeepMetrix LiveStats on my servers; I can see the statistics in real time.

Posted by: RxMan

Looks like Robert will have then the same time as all of the other sellers. April 15th. I may start looking since I am so far down on the list.

Posted by: ebockelman

Robert,

Are you charging all 200 cards now?

I'm a little anxious, because like many here I also use MBNA and haven't seen it yet. I probably wouldn't be, but I was told one time when I called that my order was showing as canceled in the system. (yikes!) It was to be resolved then, but I've been scared about it since.

Posted by: horta

Hey all this really bothers me

"Due to copyright restrictions, you may not be able to view some high-definition programs in high-definition format using the HD DVR."

"Viewing is NOT permitted using the HDMI Output"

This royallly sucks. This means I have to run both Component and HDMI to my projector (50 foot run). I could sit down to watch a show and get that error. Then I guees I'm suppposed to reach around and Unplug the HDMI to activate the Component. Who thought this up.

Hopefully we never see that message but if we do MANY MANY people will be pissed off. Especial thouse whos unit are in a AV rack thats hard to get to the back panels.

page 88 of 188 pdf (page 79 of the actual manual.)

Posted by: RxMan

ebockelman,

Don't worry. You have 2 weeks to resolve it. :(

Posted by: herdfan

quote:
Originally posted by horta
Hey all this really bothers me

"Due to copyright restrictions, you may not be able to view some high-definition programs in high-definition format using the HD DVR."

This is almost the identical language that was in my RCA DTC100 manual. Didn't mean anything in 2000, probably won't mean anyting tomorrow. Probably more of a CYA type of disclaimer.

Posted by: subspace100

quote:
Originally posted by horta
Hey all this really bothers me

"Due to copyright restrictions, you may not be able to view some high-definition programs in high-definition format using the HD DVR."

"Viewing is NOT permitted using the HDMI Output"

This royallly sucks. This means I have to run both Component and HDMI to my projector (50 foot run). I could sit down to watch a show and get that error. Then I guees I'm suppposed to reach around and Unplug the HDMI to activate the Component. Who thought this up.

Hopefully we never see that message but if we do MANY MANY people will be pissed off. Especial thouse whos unit are in a AV rack thats hard to get to the back panels.

page 88 of 188 pdf (page 79 of the actual manual.)

Nope. It means you'll need to run HDMI and S-video to your projector. If they block HD, they'll block component for sure. Only S-video or composite will work.

Posted by: Shark73

If these things are not shipping until the 12th or 13th, then I don't need overnight delivery.

I guess I will have to change my order and get my card credited.

Posted by: horta

Did you all read about "Up Arrow Set-up"

Looks like you can choose to ONLY scroll thru what you pick. Meaning I would only pick 480i for my old big screen and 720p for my projector. I would not have to scrool thru all four options, this is cool.

Jerry

Posted by: DTV TiVo Dealer

Very sorry everyone! I meant to say we will ship the first 200 by April 6, 2004!

Posted by: dandrewk

quote:
Originally posted by btwyx
It depends on your bank's system. Whether they let the online system have access to the real time banking system, or if they upload a snapshot of the information to the online system once a day (like at night).

My credit union's online system is tied directly into their real banking system as far as I can tell. I do somthing, and its immediatly reflected in my online balances. If someone charges me $904.30 on my credit card, the available amount is immediatly reduced by $904.30. (I am using a credit card.)

Your bank is obviously still in the stone age, using batch processes.

Yeah, Discover Card sure is a small time dinosaur.

Posted by: sdf777

The warranty is voided by adding drives, but it says nothing about opening the cover (or breaking any seal). I would think one would remove any added drive before returning the unit for warranty work.

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by subspace100
Nope. It means you'll need to run HDMI and S-video to your projector. If they block HD, they'll block component for sure. Only S-video or composite will work.

I suppose we'll have to dig through all the technicalities in the law again, but the understanding I had was the viewing via HDMI would only potentially get restricted if you were using a non-HDCP compliant monitor connected via it. I suppose there might've been a way to block it entirely, or potentially might be a way -- the law/rules keeps changing.

Posted by: leesweet

April 6... that's better! :)

Posted by: Shark73

Thanks for the update Robert.

Much better! I'll keep my overnight shipping then!

gotta have the Master's recorded in HD this year.

Jim

Posted by: btwyx

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Very sorry everyone! I meant to say we will ship the first 200 by April 6, 2004!

I told you it was the April fools joke.

I should have it by next Wednesday then.

Posted by: dandrewk

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Very sorry everyone! I meant to say we will ship the first 200 by April 6, 2004!

Now that's more like it! I was wondering how it would take Directv 9 days to ship something to you.

Thanks!

Posted by: scottrob

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Very sorry everyone! I meant to say we will ship the first 200 by April 6, 2004!

And the stress testing continues.... :)

Doug/Robert/? Thanks for the manual...

Posted by: Kamakzie

So the April 12 or 13th is for the 2nd batch?

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Very sorry everyone! I meant to say we will ship the first 200 by April 6, 2004!

Posted by: KaGe

Robert,

What about those of us in the next 20 range... can we expect those to ship around the 13th or 14th?

Thanks.

Posted by: neilaevans

I just got a call from my bank (Wells Fargo) and I have received TWO authorizations for around $850 from VE. Not charges, just authorizations.

Robert, if you see this and can confirm that I will of course NOT be charged twice, that would be great. Otherwise I'll give you guys a call in an hour or so.

I'm sure its just an honest mistake.

Posted by: Tom in OH

also, just read that if a cable is connected to the HDMI output, the component output will be disabled.

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by dandrewk
Yeah, Discover Card sure is a small time dinosaur.

Well... actually, yeah.

Discover currently reports having 50 million cards issued.

Visa, in the US alone, 4 years ago reported having over 350 million cards issued.

Posted by: aaron.s

*** Robert ***

Are you receiving them there in Scarsdale -- because if you are I would very much like to switch back to picking the unit up in person!

Aaron

Posted by: sdf777

quote:
Originally posted by KaGe
Robert,

What about those of us in the next 20 range... can we expect those to ship around the 13th or 14th?

Thanks.

ditto from #212

Posted by: JohnTivo

quote:
Originally posted by subspace100
Nope. It means you'll need to run HDMI and S-video to your projector. If they block HD, they'll block component for sure. Only S-video or composite will work.

No, the manual states in the troubleshooting section that if you get that particular error message, component cables, s-cable, or composite cables are needed. This is because the TV in question does not support HDCP. IIRC the FCC stated that you cannot block component connections at this time...

Posted by: dswallow

In the first 90 minutes:

886 downloads

810 of the PDF
76 of the ZIP

63 more taking place right now. :)

Posted by: Kamakzie

I am thoroughly confused! Sometimes I like to watch TV with my computer through the s-video connection. So if I have it set to 1080i then s-video won't work correct? If I have it set to 480i it will work right? Okay, so if I have it set to 480i and I record a HD program and then later set it to 1080i and watch it on the big set, will it be in 480i or 1080i?

Posted by: Starrbuck

quote:
Originally posted by neilaevans
I just got a call from my bank (Wells Fargo) and I have received TWO authorizations for around $850 from VE. Not charges, just authorizations.

Robert, if you see this and can confirm that I will of course NOT be charged twice, that would be great. Otherwise I'll give you guys a call in an hour or so.

I'm sure its just an honest mistake.

I have an authorization on my account (with BoA) as well. There's only one, not two, thank goodness. :-)

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
I am thoroughly confused! Sometimes I like to watch TV with my computer through the s-video connection. So if I have it set to 1080i then s-video won't work correct? If I have it set to 480i it will work right? Okay, so if I have it set to 480i and I record a HD program and then later set it to 1080i and watch it on the big set, will it be in 480i or 1080i?

The HR10-250 will always record whatever DirecTV is sending; the only restrictions that can be placed on the program material deal with how and under what circumstances it's displayed. Remember, the unit has no capability to re-encode the signal.

Posted by: ebockelman

quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
I am thoroughly confused! Sometimes I like to watch TV with my computer through the s-video connection. So if I have it set to 1080i then s-video won't work correct? If I have it set to 480i it will work right? Okay, so if I have it set to 480i and I record a HD program and then later set it to 1080i and watch it on the big set, will it be in 480i or 1080i?

The Tivo will always record the source material. If it's a 1080i show, it will record at 1080i, regardless of the output resolution.

Posted by: Tom in OH

I'm pretty sure it will record the format it receives. The switch only applies to output format.

Posted by: Kamakzie

Doug, so if I record Without a Trace in 1080i and then set it to 480i it would play through the s-video connection and go to my computer but only view in 480i right?

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
The HR10-250 will always record whatever DirecTV is sending; the only restrictions that can be placed on the program material deal with how and under what circumstances it's displayed. Remember, the unit has no capability to re-encode the signal.

Posted by: dswallow

Order listing moved, for convenience, to http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...956#post1852956

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
Doug, so if I record Without a Trace in 1080i and then set it to 480i it would play through the s-video connection and go to my computer but only view in 480i right?

Yes.

Posted by: Kamakzie

Ahhhhh I feel much better now! :)

Posted by: PrimeRisk

quote:
Originally posted by herdfan
Saturday delivery is usually extra. And it must be specified as such before it ships.

For FedEx and UPS you can track the package and pick it up at the depot. If somone sends you an overnight delivery on Friday, but hasn't paid for Saturday delivery you can go to the depot and pick it up on Saturday. It'll be there, I've done this 10s of times.

Posted by: horta

Ok Im confused and need your help

The manual says Antenna RF In : If you have an off-air antenna, connect it to the HD DVR using its Coaxial RF cable. See page 28 for more information about connecting off-air antennas to recieve high definition channels brodcast in your area.

Does this mean I run a coax from the SquareShooter antennas directly to the RF In on the box and DO NOT need the diplexer?? I'm so confused. Sorry for the dumb questions all

Jerry

Ok I just finished reading the entire manual.

Posted by: dswallow

We're running about 320 posts a day in this thread now... at least in the last 24 hours. ;)

Posted by: slocko

Robert, you are worst April Fool's prankster!!! :D

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Very sorry everyone! I meant to say we will ship the first 200 by April 6, 2004!

Posted by: aaron.s

All -

My charge just went through as well -- a happy man I am!

And FYI -- I really don't think that the units are shipping from their store in Scarsdale NY.... I live 5 minutes away from them and Wendy (at VE) knew to charge me overnight shipping only if I couldn't pick my unit up there directly....

And I *WAS* charged for overnight shipping.

Aaron

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by horta
Ok Im confused and need your help

The manual says Antenna RF In : If you have an off-air antenna, connect it to the HD DVR using its Coaxial RF cable. See page 28 for more information about connecting off-air antennas to recieve high definition channels brodcast in your area.

Does this mean I run a coax from the SquareShooter antennas directly to the RF In on the box and DO NOT need the diplexer?? I'm so confused. Sorry for the dumb questions all

Jerry

Ok I just finished reading the entire manual.

The use of a diplexer (or multiswitch with built-in diplexer) is simply for the convenience of utilizing an existing coax cable to get your antenna signal to the unit; you definitely can just run a separate coax line directly to the receiver(s) for the antenna.

If you used a diplexer (or multiswitch) you'd still also need a diplexer on the receiver side to separate the satellite signal from the antenna signal so they can be connected to the appropriate input.

Posted by: herdfan

quote:
Originally posted by PrimeRisk
For FedEx and UPS you can track the package and pick it up at the depot. If somone sends you an overnight delivery on Friday, but hasn't paid for Saturday delivery you can go to the depot and pick it up on Saturday. It'll be there, I've done this 10s of times.

I have had it work for me and against me. My local FedEx office has a locked area and if Monday's deliveries get put in there, the Saturday crew can't open it. It is luck of the draw at my local office if it makes into that room or not. Got lucky last time with my laptop.

Posted by: KCWolfPck

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
We're running about 320 posts a day in this thread now... at least in the last 24 hours. ;)

Mostly because of lame posts like that.....and this. :-)

Posted by: elstonhill

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Very sorry everyone! I meant to say we will ship the first 200 by April 6, 2004!

Robert's April Fools Joke

Posted by: neilaevans

quote:
Originally posted by horta
Did you all read about "Up Arrow Set-up"

Looks like you can choose to ONLY scroll thru what you pick. Meaning I would only pick 480i for my old big screen and 720p for my projector. I would not have to scrool thru all four options, this is cool.

Jerry

Yeah, very good news, particularly as I doubt there will be discretes for the different outputs.

Posted by: herdfan

quote:
Originally posted by aaron.s
All -

My charge just went through as well -- a happy man I am!

And FYI -- I really don't think that the units are shipping from their store in Scarsdale NY.... I live 5 minutes away from them and Wendy (at VE) knew to charge me overnight shipping only if I couldn't pick my unit up there directly....

Aaron

Then you should be the first person to get one. Lucky dog.:D

Posted by: dropper

quote:
Originally posted by horta
Ok Im confused and need your help

The manual says Antenna RF In : If you have an off-air antenna, connect it to the HD DVR using its Coaxial RF cable. See page 28 for more information about connecting off-air antennas to recieve high definition channels brodcast in your area.

Does this mean I run a coax from the SquareShooter antennas directly to the RF In on the box and DO NOT need the diplexer?? I'm so confused. Sorry for the dumb questions all

Jerry

Ok I just finished reading the entire manual.

The diplexer is only for splitting up a signal that was previously combined. If you have for SS going into your 5x8 (or whatever) then you will need one. If you have a seperate run just for the antenna, you don't need it.

Keith

Posted by: slocko

diplexer is only needed if you are going to combine the antenna signal with the satellite signal. then you need another diplexer at the other end to separate out again.

if you have a direct run of coax from the antenna to the receiver, no diplexer is needed.

quote:
Originally posted by horta
Ok Im confused and need your help

The manual says Antenna RF In : If you have an off-air antenna, connect it to the HD DVR using its Coaxial RF cable. See page 28 for more information about connecting off-air antennas to recieve high definition channels brodcast in your area.

Does this mean I run a coax from the SquareShooter antennas directly to the RF In on the box and DO NOT need the diplexer?? I'm so confused. Sorry for the dumb questions all

Jerry

Ok I just finished reading the entire manual.

Posted by: PrimeRisk

quote:
Originally posted by oosik77
The purchase agreement said they could charge up to 5 days before shipment.

These people have only reported authorizations against the cards anyway. Authorizations will reduce the available credit line and are good for 30 days. Robert may just be getting all of the paperwork in order today (getting authorizations, printing invoices, and creating shipping labels) so he can start shoving them out the door the second he receives the shipment. This gives him a chance to contact anyone who fails the authorization to get an alternative form of payment so you don't lose your queue position.

BTW, no $814.99 authorization against my card yet :(

Posted by: aaron.s

quote:
Originally posted by herdfan
Then you should be the first person to get one. Lucky dog.:D

Herdfan -

I was charged the $75 for overnight shipping -- so that leads me to believe that they *are not* shipping from Scarsdale, NY.... So no 5 minute drive to pick it up!

Aaron

Posted by: horta

"If you used a diplexer (or multiswitch) you'd still also need a diplexer on the receiver side to separate the satellite signal from the antenna signal so they can be connected to the appropriate input."

Ohh OK that makes sence. SO now that question is which is better or does it make any difference? No I dont wish to run yet another cable but if I loose 5-10% in signal streanth then its worth the effort.

One more quick dumb question and sorry, but Ok Tripple LNB but only two SAT inputs on the HD DVR unit. Where does the third LNB go?? I know realy dumb question but I have never seen a tripple LND dish in person.

Posted by: Paperboy2003

quote:
Originally posted by slocko
diplexer is only needed if you are going to combine the antenna signal with the satellite signal. then you need another diplexer at the other end to separate out again.

if you have a direct run of coax from the antenna to the receiver, no diplexer is needed.

I currently have a direct run on my OTA signal into the HD200. I just bought an Eagle Aspen 5x8 switch and I was planning on running my OTA through there to all me to use the current OTA run for my second Tivo run. Will I experience any degradation of signal quality by running it through the 5x8 and then through a diplexer?

Also I only intend to use the OTA signal on a few boxes.....would I still need a diplexer even if I don't intend to use the OTA signal on certain (SD boxes?)

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Doug (not THE Doug.....just ANOTHER Doug)

Posted by: horta

You all are the best. thank you for answering all my dumb questions.

Jerry

Posted by: such

quote:
Originally posted by dstroot
I'm soooooo glad I never subscribed to this thread. Just think of the hours of wasted productivity the US economy is experiencing because none of you are working - you just keep checking, and posting, and checking, and posting....

:)

I heard the US Productivity Stats for March fell 3 points.... I wonder why???

Posted by: mforrest

Still no Tivo sound effects when in Dolby Digital mode... I thought they would have a workaround for that by now. Oh well!

Posted by: Marco

Doug - Naturally you'll be adding a column to your chart for "those reporting their credit card has been charged," right? :)

Posted by: dswallow

horta & Paperboy2003:

Yes, there is some signal loss every time you pass the signal through a pair of diplexers. If you use a multiswitch that's powered, most of them are amplifying the signal to compensate for the loss -- some, like the Terk BMS-58, amplify it enough to compensate for the loss of the diplexer at the receiver side too (and a bit more).

For a pair of diplexers separate from any multiswitch, you're usually look at 1db to 1.5db loss on the antenna total.

For the vast majority of people that won't affect your reception.

Posted by: dave3

Due to this thread, and this thread alone, the mound of papers on my desk has reached such a level that I no longer no what color my desk is. The only visible thing is the keyboard and a circular area that the mouse can move around on!!!!!!!!!!

NO charge on my CC, guess cause I am like #345, so I still got two more weeks to go, WAAAAAAHHHHHHH.

Posted by: hoyty

I find it hard to believe the H10 has regressed back before the HDVR2? My HDVR2 does tivo sounds out the dolby digital currently. I am wondering if that is a mistake in manual?

Oh and for completeness:
Time of Order: 1/19/2004 9:42:31 AM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 12791

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by horta
One more quick dumb question and sorry, but Ok Tripple LNB but only two SAT inputs on the HD DVR unit. Where does the third LNB go?? I know realy dumb question but I have never seen a tripple LND dish in person.

The LNB's don't connect directly to a receiver; they connect through a multiswitch. The 110° LNB actually is a bit unique in that it block converts the satellite signals a little differently so they can be combined into the signal from the 119° LNB at frequencies DirecTV doesn't own. So the 4 unique signals (2 from 101° and the 2 from the 110°/119° combination) all get fed into a multiswitch, and the multiswitch output responds to command signals from the tuner connected to it to send the signal requested by it of the 4 that are available.

Posted by: PrimeRisk

quote:
Originally posted by herdfan
I have had it work for me and against me. My local FedEx office has a locked area and if Monday's deliveries get put in there, the Saturday crew can't open it. It is luck of the draw at my local office if it makes into that room or not. Got lucky last time with my laptop.

Never heard of that. If they did that to me I'd demand a refund of the shipping fee. I'd be especially frosted if it was there in the building and they couldn't/wouldn't get it. At least for UPS, the Satrurday Delivery fee applies to sending it out in a truck and is separate from the overnight service. FedEx has never let me down, but I have never been directly told their policy.

Posted by: gseeg

Okay, after reading the manual, I also have a question. My TV can accept 480i, 480p, and 1080i. Is there any reason I would want to put the 480i in the list of modes you scroll through using the up arrow? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think when watching SD TV that I would ever want the receiver to send out a 480i signal when I could use 480p. Is my thinking correct on this?

Posted by: mforrest

gseeg: you'd want 480i if you want to record to a VCR using the s-video or composite outputs.

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by gseeg
Okay, after reading the manual, I also have a question. My TV can accept 480i, 480p, and 1080i. Is there any reason I would want to put the 480i in the list of modes you scroll through using the up arrow? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think when watching SD TV that I would ever want the receiver to send out a 480i signal when I could use 480p. Is my thinking correct on this?

You may have devices that do things only with 480i. I'm not sure, but does composite/s-video out work at 480p? If not that'd be a reason -- for when you want to record using a recording device that only has that sort of connection, or when you want to redistribute the compoisite/svideo signal to other displays. That could also be a reason. For people only with a connected HDMI/DVI display, there's probably never a reason for 480i.

Posted by: PrimeRisk

quote:
Originally posted by gseeg
Okay, after reading the manual, I also have a question. My TV can accept 480i, 480p, and 1080i. Is there any reason I would want to put the 480i in the list of modes you scroll through using the up arrow? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think when watching SD TV that I would ever want the receiver to send out a 480i signal when I could use 480p. Is my thinking correct on this?

I'd have it in there initially just so I could see the difference between the different modes.

Posted by: Fletch

quote:
Originally posted by hoyty
My HDVR2 does tivo sounds out the dolby digital currently.

Mine doesn't.

Posted by: gseeg

quote:
Originally posted by mforrest
gseeg: you'd want 480i if you want to record to a VCR using the s-video or composite outputs.

Ok. That makes sense. And since I got rid of my VCR long ago, I guess my inital thought was correct.

Posted by: acourvil

quote:
Originally posted by gseeg
Okay, after reading the manual, I also have a question. My TV can accept 480i, 480p, and 1080i. Is there any reason I would want to put the 480i in the list of modes you scroll through using the up arrow? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think when watching SD TV that I would ever want the receiver to send out a 480i signal when I could use 480p. Is my thinking correct on this?

Some of us have displays that automatically switch 480p to 16:9 AR. If I want 4:3 AR, I need 480i.

Posted by: sonnyducks

quote:
Originally posted by gseeg
Okay, after reading the manual, I also have a question. My TV can accept 480i, 480p, and 1080i. Is there any reason I would want to put the 480i in the list of modes you scroll through using the up arrow? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think when watching SD TV that I would ever want the receiver to send out a 480i signal when I could use 480p. Is my thinking correct on this?

My TV also only does 480i, 480p, and 1080i (Mitsu). My question is what happens when something is broadcast in 720. Does it get downgraded to 480x or will 1080i handle it? I would assume I won't be getting the 60 fps.

Posted by: leesweet

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
The LNB's don't connect directly to a receiver; they connect through a multiswitch......

And for those that never seen one, the four outputs from a Phase III dish with the three LNBs in one piece of metal *are* outputs of a multiswitch, and carry everything. Two of those to your TiVo, and you can record everything on each!

Posted by: btwyx

quote:
Originally posted by hoyty
I find it hard to believe the H10 has regressed back before the HDVR2? My HDVR2 does tivo sounds out the dolby digital currently. I am wondering if that is a mistake in manual?

You HDVR2 does sound effects over the optical. If the optical is transmitting Dolby digital you do not get sound effects. Most of the time its just doing stereo. You only get DD if you have turned it on in the setup menu, and DD is being transmitted for a show. Most shows arn't DD, except a few on HBO and Showtime (and PPV?). This is a FAQ in the DTiVo forum.

It easy to impress sound effects on a stereo stream, but DD is a compressed format and impressing sound effects would mean the audio is decompressed and recompressed which would compromise the quality.

Don't confuse DD and optical.

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by sonnyducks
My TV also only does 480i, 480p, and 1080i (Mitsu). My question is what happens when something is broadcast in 720. Does it get downgraded to 480x or will 1080i handle it? I would assume I won't be getting the 60 fps.

The HD DVR would downconvert it or upconvert it depending on what output format you had selected.

Posted by: dropper

quote:
Originally posted by hoyty
I find it hard to believe the H10 has regressed back before the HDVR2? My HDVR2 does tivo sounds out the dolby digital currently. I am wondering if that is a mistake in manual?

But does it do it when there is a DD source playing? Most of the content is still non-DD, or PCM. I would assume your receiver tells you when it's decoding DD, so maybe you could double check that.

Keith

BTW, the UTV's have never had this issue.

Posted by: dave3

The scaler in your tv may be better than the scaler in the HD tivo, so you may want your tv to scale the 480i original to the tv's native resolution, instead of the hdtivo scaleing the 480i to 720p or 1080i.

my projector is 1024X768, so I will want 480i source material to be scaled up by my pj that has faruja dcdi built in.

Posted by: sonnyducks

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
The HD DVR would downconvert it or upconvert it depending on what output format you had selected.

Since HD Tivo will be my first HD experiance I don't know these things. Will I notice a difference visually in a 720 program on a 720 display versus a 1080 display?

Posted by: dave3

sonny depending on your tv and its size, you may not notice it at all.

Posted by: btwyx

quote:
Originally posted by horta
diplexer...

Ohh OK that makes sence. SO now that question is which is better or does it make any difference? No I dont wish to run yet another cable but if I loose 5-10% in signal streanth then its worth the effort.

I currently have a diplex in the Sat feed. There is no noticible loss of signal strength (given how the strength varies anyway) except for a couple of low transponders on 101. They're still within acceptable ranges. I find I still get a very good signal even if the Sat signal is down in the 40-60 range. I hadn't noticed before recently but I get the worst signal strength on the transpnder Showtime uses, and I've never had a signal strength problem with that. Its normally down in the 60 range, and was down to 40 during a rain storm and still no dropout artifacts.

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by sonnyducks
Since HD Tivo will be my first HD experiance I don't know these things. Will I notice a difference visually in a 720 program on a 720 display versus a 1080 display?

Will *you* notice... will *I* notice...? Probably not. Is there someone out there who could notice? Probably. Is there someone out there who claims to notice. Definitely.

Posted by: btwyx

quote:
Originally posted by horta
Did you all read about "Up Arrow Set-up"

Looks like you can choose to ONLY scroll thru what you pick. Meaning I would only pick 480i for my old big screen and 720p for my projector. I would not have to scrool thru all four options, this is cool.

This has been known for quite a while. I think TiVoPony confirmed this months ago.

Posted by: sonnyducks

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Will *you* notice... will *I* notice...? Probably not. Is there someone out there who could notice? Probably. Is there someone out there who claims to notice. Definitely.

I doubt that I'm one of those people...esp. after a couple of beers.

Posted by: paulj

quote:
Never heard of that. If they did that to me I'd demand a refund of the shipping fee. I'd be especially frosted if it was there in the building and they couldn't/wouldn't get it. At least for UPS, the Satrurday Delivery fee applies to sending it out in a truck and is separate from the overnight service. FedEx has never let me down, but I have never been directly told their policy.

I've run into this twice where I've had something at Fedex but without Saturday delivery and I've tried to pick it up at the depot. The first time they gave it to me right away. The second time they searched their depot for about 2 hours, I really, really pressed them on this, but they simply couldn't find the box. I asked them if it was lost. They explained that the packages are sorted the morning of the delivery and that it was definitely at the depot, there was just no way of finding it until it got sorted. I think I lucked out the first time because the boxes had a recognizable picture and were easy to find. The second one was simply a generic box so there was no way to pick it out of the crowd, although they did try. As far as a refund, if Saturday delivery was not paid for I don't know how a refund would be justified. If they were paid to deliver it on Monday and they delivered it on Monday why should they refund anything?
On a recent Fedex delivery I was afraid this was going to happen to me again, so I called and asked them to hold it at the depot so I could pick it up on a Friday afternoon. They said they couldn't guarantee that and if I really wanted it I should stay home that day, which is what I did.

paul

Posted by: dswallow

It looks like the post of the manuals that I made here made it to the front page of www.dbstalk.com.

Posted by: hoyty

When I read Dolby Digital I thought out the Optical Link. I was thinking the problem the Series 1's had with Tivo sounds via Optical. Never noticed if it does it during an actual DD program, usually only movies and I don't need it then.

Posted by: RxMan

OK. Time to chime in with the dumb questions.

I have DVI iput on my HDTV. Do I simply connect the hd tivo to it with the supplied cable? Do I need something else for non-HD DTV transmission or does it all go thru this one?

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by RxMan
I have DVI iput on my HDTV. Do I simply connect the hd tivo to it with the supplied cable? Do I need something else for non-HD DTV transmission or does it all go thru this one?

Unless you have need for a longer run than the cable provided allows for (3 meters, I think), everything is in the box that you need.

Posted by: che_fox

Hmm! I've read through the excellent manual (thanks for providing it!!) but I have one question:

I have an InFocus X1 projector, which can't handle 480i over the component input. (I'm using a breakout cable to connect component to the VGA port; 480i is only supported over component if you use the s-video->component adapter for that -- but I have other s-video sources that I need to plug into that port.)

Page 102 of the HD TiVo manual (112 in the PDF) suggests that I can deselect 480 (they don't label it 480i) but leaave 480p selected; would 480i material be de-interlaced by the HD TiVo in this case?

If that's so, I wonder how/if they do 3:2 pulldown. Would I be better off keeping 480i enabled and using the s-video connection for that, so my X1 can use its excellent Faroudja de-interlacer that does awesome 3:2 pulldown?

Cheers!

Posted by: sonnyducks

No wonder this thing costs $999...look at all the cables that come with it! See page 9 of Users Manual.

Posted by: RxMan

"the HDMI --- DVI cable will only transmit HD"

So I have to have another cable connected to another input?

UGH

Posted by: KCWolfPck

quote:
Originally posted by Tom in OH
the HDMI-->DVI cable will only transmit HD

Well, technically yes, but everything you watch will now be 1080i (if that's what you selected) because the HD Tivo will upconvert ALL programming to what you tell it to.

Posted by: JohnA

What cables are included? Can't download till I get home.

Posted by: Marcus Alzona

quote:
Originally posted by sonnyducks
Since HD Tivo will be my first HD experiance I don't know these things. Will I notice a difference visually in a 720 program on a 720 display versus a 1080 display?

Well, most (all?) HD displays have a native resolution. Whatever signals the HD display might accept, it will always convert it to 1280x720p (usually its really 1388x768) or 1920x1080i (or somesuch).

Now, if your display is native 720p, but you set an HD device (that can do conversion) to 1080i, then the display does one translation (1080->720). Now, if the original source material was broadcast in 720p, then there are at least two conversions going on...one in the HD device (720->1080), then in your display (1080->720)....which, is bad (or, at least, can't help things).

So, in general, you want to set the output of your HD device as close as possible to the native rate of your display.

Now, I know I have questions about the HD TiVo's up/down conversion process....if it does that at all - the manual made things more confusing, not less, because before I was under the assumption that it did not conversion, and just sent the recorded HD signal as it was, to the display.

Another theory might be that the HD TiVo's "output" settings don't affect anything between 480p/720p/1080i...instead, it just sends it along un-converted....and that the only thing it really cares about is for 480i output (where I'm certain there is some hardware to do the down-conversion).

Of course, I didn't pre-order it back in Jan/Feb, so I'm going to have awhile to wait to have first-hand feedback to give people. :)

Posted by: Marco

quote:
Originally posted by sonnyducks
No wonder this thing costs $999...look at all the cables that come with it! See page 9 of Users Manual.

Your first TiVo, perhaps? Most of those cables come with the $99 (SD) DirecTiVo too. :up:

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by Tom in OH
the HDMI-->DVI cable will only transmit HD

All output formats can be transmitted over the HDMI connection.

Posted by: jarredduq

Woohoo!

My card's been hit!

#47

Posted by: sonnyducks

quote:
Originally posted by JohnA
What cables are included? Can't download till I get home.

1. HDMI-to-DVI
2. HDMI
3. Component
4. S-Video
5. Composite A/V

Posted by: Starrbuck

quote:
Originally posted by leesweet
And for those that never seen one, the four outputs from a Phase III dish with the three LNBs in one piece of metal *are* outputs of a multiswitch, and carry everything. Two of those to your TiVo, and you can record everything on each!

Speaking of, I ordered a 5x8 Terk multiswitch to support an additional receiver or two, as we're keeping our old SD TiVo. Do you know if it matters which inputs on the multiswitch you put the 4 outputs of the dish to?

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by Starrbuck
Speaking of, I ordered a 5x8 Terk multiswitch to support an additional receiver or two, as we're keeping our old SD TiVo. Do you know if it matters which inputs on the multiswitch you put the 4 outputs of the dish to?

It does not matter since your Phase III dish has a multiswitch built in; the Terk BMS-58 will send the appropriate signals out each input connection to control that built-in multiswitch so the correct signals get to the appropriate inputs.

Posted by: sonnyducks

quote:
Originally posted by Marco
Your first TiVo, perhaps? Most of those cables come with the $99 (SD) DirecTiVo too. :up:

I got a T-60 about 2 years ago and while I haven't looked at the back of my unit in sometime I don't think it has component, DVI or HDMI inputs. I may have gotten an S-Video cable but I'm pretty sure I had to buy it.

Posted by: horta

Hey I currently do not use a Mutiswitch. I have One dual LNB Dish and One HDVR2. Why would I need a Multiswitch. Even for the new set-up I dont think I will need one.

My plan is to sell the HDVR2 on eBay.

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by horta
Hey I currently do not use a Mutiswitch. I have One dual LNB Dish and One HDVR2. Why would I need a Multiswitch. Even for the new set-up I dont think I will need one.

My plan is to sell the HDVR2 on eBay.

Most HD programming from DirecTV comes from 110°; there's also some on 119°. Without the 3-LNB dish, you're going to be missing out on a lot of HD stuff.

Posted by: horta

Ok I guess I'm missing somthing here and sorry to be SOOO Ignorant.

I need a:
Tripple LNB Dish
SquareSHooter Antenna

two cable runns for the dish (SAT 1 and 2 input)
one cable run for the SS (RF Ant In)

Where does the multiswitch go ??

I think dswallor or someone said there is a switch built inot the tripple LNB dish already?

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by Tom in OH
even 480i? if true, I'm surprised.

It's just bits. ;)

http://www.sigmadesigns.com/support/DVI_HDMI.htm

Posted by: Marco

quote:
Originally posted by sonnyducks
I got a T-60 about 2 years ago and while I haven't looked at the back of my unit in sometime I don't think it has component, DVI or HDMI inputs. I may have gotten an S-Video cable but I'm pretty sure I had to buy it.

Yes, I fully realize it wouldn't have DVI or HDMI. My DSR6000s have component outputs ... yours must too.

Posted by: sonnyducks

Let me get something straight. VE isn't shipping these units out for another 2 weeks but they are charging everybody's card. Does that sound right?

Maybe Robert has to pay for the units upfront to get the first allocation.

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by sonnyducks
Let me get something straight. VE isn't shipping these units out for another 2 weeks but they are charging everybody's card. Does that sound right?

Maybe Robert has to pay for the units upfront to get the first allocation.

Spend a little more time reading up. ;) Robert made a mistake when he was looking at his calendar to get the date; he was one week off. Shipping is Tuesday 4/6/2004.

Posted by: midas

quote:
Originally posted by Marco
Yes, I fully realize it wouldn't have DVI or HDMI. My DSR6000s have component outputs ... yours must too.

Component or composite????

Posted by: RxMan

He is shipping on the 6th. He made a mistake earlier.

Posted by: sonnyducks

Sorry! I missed a couple of pages while I was reading the manual.

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by Marco
My DSR6000s have component outputs ... yours must too.

I think you should look again with the lights on.

Posted by: leesweet

The Phase III Triple LNB dish, like Doug and I have said, does have a multiswitch built in. Only if you want to run more than four 'inputs' (single receivers or double-input TiVos) do you need to run those four outputs into a larger multiswitch to get more outputs.

Posted by: Marco

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
I think you should look again with the lights on.

:eek: D'oh. You're right. I was thinking of the dvd player.

Posted by: Starrbuck

I just noticed that I was charged only for the standard ground shipping. I originally ordered online and later changed it to overnight shipping. I wonder if they will charge me later for the additional shipping or will it go out ground? :( NY -> TX is going to take several days. :(

Posted by: PJO1966

I've been hit! I've never been so happy to see so much money leave my bank account...

Posted by: RxMan

If DVI input handles everything then why do I need to change the various settings from 480, 720, and 1080?

Posted by: indigovic

dswallow sez:

quote:
I use DeepMetrix LiveStats on my servers; I can see the statistics in real time.

Cool! Now if we all tell you our IP addresses, can you add the time and format we downloaded the manual in to the preorder list? :-P

Seriously, though, thanks for your time compiling the list, and donating your bandwidth for the manual.

-Vic.
.

Posted by: RxMan

My Input1 on my TV has both DVI and component. I guess I could connect both and then I wouldn't have to chang inputs on the TV.

I'm really not sure about all of this.

Posted by: bpdp379

quote:
Originally posted by RxMan
If DVI input handles everything then why do I need to change the various settings from 480, 720, and 1080?

Because there is no "native" output.

I would like to feed an unaltered signal to my Sammy DLP and let it do the conversion. But I can't without native, so I will need to switch if I want to be anal about it....

Not likely.

Posted by: Tom in OH

quote:
Originally posted by RxMan
My Input1 on my TV has both DVI and component. I guess I could connect both and then I wouldn't have to chang inputs on the TV.

I'm really not sure about all of this.

remember that if the HDMI output on the HDtivo is used, the component is disabled.
(another big drawback)

Posted by: kairjen

quote:
Originally posted by RxMan
If DVI input handles everything then why do I need to change the various settings from 480, 720, and 1080?

Also, if you want to take advantage of your tv's stretch modes, most tv's will only operate when in 408i mode.

Posted by: Paperboy2003

Have we figured out, by whose been charged, how many are going in that first shipment allocation? Does anyone know if that first batch is going to mesh with the second batch?

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by Tom in OH
remember that if the HDMI output on the HDtivo is used, the component is disabled.
(another big drawback)

Worse, it seems the component output is disabled just by having an HDMI cable plugged in.

Posted by: Tom in OH

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Worse, it seems the component output is disabled just by having an HDMI cable plugged in.

yup, and this sux cuz I wanted to connect the HDMI-->DVI to the Tosh and use the component to feed the projector(thru a video processor).

Posted by: RxMan

"component disabled just by having HDMI plugged in"

How am I supposed to watch recorded Spice-HD in my bedroom?!

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by RxMan
"component disabled just by having HDMI plugged in"

How am I supposed to watch recorded Spice-HD in my bedroom?!

Use the second HD DVR you're going to buy. ;)

Posted by: tomr

quote:
Originally posted by Tom in OH
interesting site.

I might be wrong (does happen now and then) but if someone's using the HDMI--> DVI cable, 480i probably won't show up on their tv even if HDMI will pass the 480i. I'm assuming most DVI inputs will only accept HD signals(and possibly 480p).

The DVI inputs on both my HDTVs will only accept HD.

I think if you look again it will only accept DIGITAL signals. I use my DVI connection on my Samsung 617W with my Samsung T160 receiver. I get both SD and HD over the DVI. OTA and Satellite.

Posted by: RxMan

Will the HD TIvo output anything else when the HDMI-DVI cable is connected?

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by RxMan
Will the HD TIvo output anything else when the HDMI-DVI cable is connected?

Only composite and s-video when the output format is set to 480i too.

You'll always get digital audio though. ;)

Posted by: btwyx

quote:
Originally posted by RxMan
Will the HD TIvo output anything else when the HDMI-DVI cable is connected?

It'll display composite or S-Video, but only if the output is 480i. The SD outputs are only active if the output is 480i.

So not for ED or HD.

Posted by: rvaniwaa

quote:
Originally posted by tomr
I think if you look again it will only accept DIGITAL signals. I use my DVI connection on my Samsung 617W with my Samsung T160 receiver. I get both SD and HD over the DVI. OTA and Satellite.

Phew! That is a relief!!! I have the HLM617 and wanted to just use the DVI connection. Thanks for the info!

--Ron

Posted by: RxMan

thanks!

Posted by: sdf777

Is the digital audio only optical or does it have coax?

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by sdf777
Is the digital audio only optical or does it have coax?

Optical only. If you need coax, adapters are readily available, including even at Radio Shack.

Posted by: Tom in OH

quote:
Originally posted by tomr
I think if you look again it will only accept DIGITAL signals. I use my DVI connection on my Samsung 617W with my Samsung T160 receiver. I get both SD and HD over the DVI. OTA and Satellite.

yup, you're correct, just checked my manual and it says the DVI will accept 480p, 720p, 1080i & 480i, although it goes on to say the DVI is designed for best performance with HD signals.

Posted by: sdf777

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Optical only. If you need coax, adapters are readily available, including even at Radio Shack.

Not a problem - just prefer coax - more sturdy.

Posted by: Bill from Sb

Does anyone know yet what the 2 control-out outputs on back of unit are for?

Posted by: oosik77

Someone owes me a towel... all the drool coming outta my monitor has messed up my keyboard.

(Crossing fingers I get in group #2, I'm on the border of 2 and 3)

Posted by: HDTivo4prez

I haven't been charged yet. Should I worry? I am suppose to be #125 on the list. I can't believe I am upset because they haven't charged my CC.

Posted by: Bychowsky

I have been watching this thread and thought I should add in my details here on my order. No charge yet .. but hoping!!!!

Ordered - 1/21
Order ID - 1293x

Posted by: dlott

You told us the first week of April and it looks like your going to make it.

THANK YOU!!!!!:up:

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by horta
Ok I guess I'm missing somthing here and sorry to be SOOO Ignorant.

I need a:
Tripple LNB Dish
SquareSHooter Antenna

two cable runns for the dish (SAT 1 and 2 input)
one cable run for the SS (RF Ant In)

Where does the multiswitch go ??

I think dswallor or someone said there is a switch built inot the tripple LNB dish already?

If you only have the HD DVR to feed, (and up to 2 other tuners) you don't need the multiswitch. The Phase III dish has one built in already, with 4 outputs.

If you want to run a separate coax to the receiver for the antenna that's fine, too.

The SquareShooter may or may not work well for you; it depends on where the broadcast towers are to you. But many people have good luck with it. It seems like a good antenna. But just be aware, unless you know someone in your area using it and it's working well for them.

Posted by: PJO1966

quote:
Originally posted by dlott
You told us the first week of April and it looks like your going to make it.

THANK YOU!!!!!:up:

well... 2nd week, anyway.

Posted by: RxMan

First Full Week.

Posted by: bollar

quote:
Originally posted by PJO1966
well... 2nd week, anyway.

First full week anyway.... ;)

Posted by: slocko

the phase iii dish has a built in 4x4 switch. So you can run 4 lines from it.

if you only plan to have the HD-Tivo and nothing else, you don't need another multiswitch. Remember the Tivo will need two lines.

If you need more than 4 lines, like 2 tivos plus a regular receiver, then you need a cascadable multi switch. that is a multiswitch that can connect to the built in switch.

quote:
Originally posted by horta
Ok I guess I'm missing somthing here and sorry to be SOOO Ignorant.

I need a:
Tripple LNB Dish
SquareSHooter Antenna

two cable runns for the dish (SAT 1 and 2 input)
one cable run for the SS (RF Ant In)

Where does the multiswitch go ??

I think dswallor or someone said there is a switch built inot the tripple LNB dish already?

Posted by: hongcho

> Does anyone know yet what the 2 control-out outputs on back of unit are for?

What control port? There is one IR port and one serial port that's for future use.

Hong.

Posted by: hongcho

> Is that an HD-Tivo in your pocket or are you just happy to see me :D

How big is your pocket? :p

Hong.

Posted by: horta

Ok NOW I understand, thanks to you all.

Yeah I know the SquareShooter is a gamble. I have only read good things and I have read all types of antennas are a gamble. I figure for $69.95
its worth the risk. All other systems are around the same price after you ad amps and such. Also a Big outdoor old style set-up is not an option. So its either in the attic or somthins like the SS-1000.

Also they have a 30 retun policy so if it does not work I'll retun it.

Jerry