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Posted by: Will-san
nice
Posted by: Kamakzie
We hit the milestone!
Posted by: HiDefHusker
quote:
Originally posted by Weez
Software version has been reported as 3.1.1.A2-01-2-3F1
That's the version from a screenshot in the manual. I noticed that the manual PDF was created on 2/6/2004 (File|Document Properties|Summary). It is possible that the software has been updated in the past two months.
Posted by: slocko
http://www.dbsforums.com/vbulletin/...&threadid=20041
quote:
Originally posted by AGBTivo
another Tivo newbie question - is there a listing somewhere of all the 'secret' tivo commands that can be enabled on their remote?
Posted by: slocko
I think you can find that out many different ways.
quote:
Originally posted by osxguy
KC, your guide info should be updated by now -- what's the title of the first SpiceHD program showing on Thursday the 8th?
matt.
Posted by: joegolf68
quote:
Originally posted by JohnA
Doug, I am offended that you boycott a business because they are closed on Sunday due to an implied religious connection. That does not fly in this society anymore. Why is it that Christian bashing is some way acceptable, yet this type of position toward any other religious group, ethnicity or sexual orientation would be intolerable. I suggest you keep your biases and bigotry to yourself.
It is your right to be "offended" as that is usually the war cry of the left! LMBO. Doug has the RIGHT to shop where he wants and to boycott anyone he wants. Your post offends me! lol No, I am not that sensitive and I also don't believe in your left-wing censorship tactics. Does the left really believe that saying "I'm offended" makes anyone give a damn who is not in a position to lose your their jobs due to political correctness. That kind of McCarthyism woks in public jobs but not when a bunch of people are chit chatting. Now that I am retired from the public arena, I love to tell censors like you to just live with it! I guess you are tolerant of everyone, except those who are not as tolerant as you.... but then again, you are not tolerant... could go on forever, but for those who despise your tactics, I've said enough. Have a great day and try to show as much tolerance for Doug's views as I am sure you would for some radical loser on the left.
Dang, I feel better already! And now that Doug has informed me of this company I am on their boycott list now too! I spend my money where I like too, and express my opinion however I want. If that offends you.... enjoy your right to be offended!
:)
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by sdf777
Good thing you didn't grow up in CT in the 1950's and '60's. The state mandated (Blue Laws) that everything be closed on Sunday's except some pharmacies and a few service stations on the main highways.
The difference is that in a blue law area, it's the government mandating the closing, usually despite the businesses wishes. And I have been in those areas at various times during my life. And when practical, I have sought to go to businesses located outside of those areas, as a business has a choice where to locate, too. One specific area comes to bind: Bergen County, NJ, where we moved after I graduate from high school. But adjacent Passaic County, NJ and Rockland County, NY had no such repressive governmental restriction.
Posted by: billcoff
quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
My only question would be if KC is a beta tester then why did he pre-order from 2 different stores? Also would DIRECTV get more beta testers this late in the game?
KC said there were two other people picking theirs up at the same time. I wonder if Doug could replace preorder numbers with serial numbers as people get their HD Tivos. KC could be the first.
Posted by: Stuigi
quote:
Originally posted by Weez
What exactly is it that i dont get? mentioning another forum? without saying the name? or mentioning a version number that was apparently posted in the user's manual?
Inquiring minds wanna know..........
maybe i was wrong and if so, i apologize. I just thought that a trap was being set for kc
Posted by: JohnA
joegolf68 - WOW! do have a warped sense of where I am coming from! Painting me as a left wing ideologue is as far off the mark as you could be. My favorite talk show host is Mr. Dittohead himself - RUSH. Better go analyze my post a little deeper!
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by MikeSRC
I stand corrected. :)
and it's only another $12.50. :D
For pickup. And that's retail pricing. When I use my FedEx account I don't pay regular pickup fees and I would pay a discounted rate on the Stuarday pick-up fee. It's quite possible a higher volume shipper would even have the Saturday pickup fee waived. And they could drop things off and there'd be no fee involved.
Posted by: btwyx
quote:
Originally posted by AGBTivo
another Tivo newbie question - is there a listing somewhere of all the 'secret' tivo commands that can be enabled on their remote?
Have a look at the sticky threads at the top of the "Coffee House" and DirecTV with Tivo forums. There's plenty of FAQs in there, and I'm sure there's a listing of backdoor commands
Posted by: madpoet
Well, sadly I won't be joining the Tivolution. As I feared, my layout makes it darn near impossible to get a clean shot at one of the birds. That's unfortunate... I was really looking forward to an HD PVR.
-MP
Posted by: ElectricPickle
I ask specifically for "Right-wings" when I go to Chick-Fil-a.
Posted by: btwyx
quote:
Originally posted by EJ
I grew up in North Dakota, and until the mid to late '80's most stores were closed on Sunday. No alcohol could be sold, no stores open, except for gas stations and restaurants. I remember going to a Holiday service station. The gas pumps were open on Sunday, but the isles of convenience items were roped off and the lights turned off. Very strange!
Getting further off topic, you could try growing up in Britain before Maggie Thatcher rationlised the sunday trading laws. There was one gas station, with quicky mart, I went to which had little blue dots next to the price on certain items. There was also a sign saying please do not buy anything with a blue dot on Sunday, it would be illegal for them to sell it to you.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by JohnA
Doug, I am offended that you boycott a business because they are closed on Sunday due to an implied religious connection. That does not fly in this society anymore. Why is it that Christian bashing is some way acceptable, yet this type of position toward any other religious group, ethnicity or sexual orientation would be intolerable. I suggest you keep your biases and bigotry to yourself.
I really don't want to make this thread go in this direction. I'm not advocating anyone not visit the business. I was explaining why *I* don't and won't. And it's not the religious reason, per se. That is, a "family run" business setting their hours because of their personal religious beliefs wouldn't normally bother me. But this particular business does it at the corporate level and controls all their stores. It's not like it's family run. They hire people, supposedly without concern for their personal religious beliefs, and then tell them to close the stores on Sunday. That's what bothers me about them. I have and do patronize stores run by hassidic jews, for instance -- big families of them -- that close on Saturdays. But they run them and are present staffing the stores.
Like my choice not to patronize a grocery store/chain that used to be 24 hours and decided to close at midnight now -- I don't want my money supporting a store that used to offer me convenience and then chose to eliminate convenience. I eat on Sundays. I don't want to support a restaurant that doesn't serve food on Sundays; I'd rather support a restaurant that's open 7 days a week -- even holidays. And really rather support one open 24 hours a day over one that isn't.
quote:
Originally posted by JohnA
Slocko - You are exactly right, just keep the bigotry to himself, no need to expose it to all of us. I could care less what his personal values are but stay quiet about them. So you think then I should have the freedom of expression to put down gays and tell the world I despise them? I don't think so!!
I don't despise anyone there or anyone because of their religious choice. I just don't care to patronize that particular chain because of their corporate-level choice. I do hold a certain level of enmity for people who have strong anti-gay opinions, but even with many of them, if we connect/interact on some unrelated level I can deal with it and not let it affect that. In this forum for instance. :)
Now if each Chick-Fil-A was independently owned, and each was free to choose their own hours, and still every one of them closed on Sunday, I'd care a whole lot less.
A few times friends have stopped there to pick up stuff and brought it to me (without my foreknowledge that was where they were going) and I ate the food. I just won't go there myself.
In the scheme of my life this is a very tiny thing I rarely think much about. There's very few Chick-Fil-A's around here anyway. I was only relating my opinion on the matter in response to other off-topic comments here. I really don't mean to make this a lengthy discussion about religion in any way. So please, if you have anything more thoughtful to add, feel free to post it, but if you just want to slam me a little for my positions, we can take it privately. As much more does really violate the forum's current policies on such things. ;)
Posted by: Kamakzie
Well that sucks :( sorry to hear it..
quote:
Originally posted by madpoet
Well, sadly I won't be joining the Tivolution. As I feared, my layout makes it darn near impossible to get a clean shot at one of the birds. That's unfortunate... I was really looking forward to an HD PVR.
-MP
Posted by: joegolf68
quote:
Originally posted by JohnA
joegolf68 - WOW! do have a warped sense of where I am coming from! Painting me as a left wing ideologue is as far off the mark as you could be. My favorite talk show host is Mr. Dittohead himself - RUSH. Better go analyze my post a little deeper!
You simply used an overused tactic of the left. I NEVER said you were a left wing ideologue!!!! I said you used their well known tactics!!!! The far right does go to the same level of weirdness when it comes to religious matters. As for Rush, he goes off on the same rants when it comes to religious issues. So, please look again, please read again, my statement.
Now, were you really offended? If so, so what? I simply don't care for your approach when disagreeing with Doug. In our society, it has become commonplace to say one is offended and expect that to be enough to censor another's views. It is a tactic which I believe hinderss both free speech and an exchange of ideas.
By posting your views that you were offended, what outcome were you hoping for? If I were to be actually offended by someone's comments, I would hope I could base it on factual analysis and not on an emotional response. I think your response to Doug was overly dramatic and emotional. A state which seems to be overly used in America today in order to get what one wants.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by joegolf68
By posting your views that you were offended, what outcome were you hoping for? If I were to be actually offended by someone's comments, I would hope I could base it on factual analysis and not on an emotional response. I think your response to Doug was overly dramatic and emotional. A state which seems to be overly used in America today in order to get what one wants.
Kinda like jumping up and down telling everybody 47 times an hour to call Good Guys on Monday's, right? :D
j/k & trying to bring some levity to this discussion so we aren't "fighting" but at most just poking some fun at each other.
Posted by: slocko
time to put that house for sale. www.remax.com !!!
what a bummer. so what are choices? i think voom uses the same satellite position no? i dont' know about dish.
i guess cable huh?
quote:
Originally posted by madpoet
Well, sadly I won't be joining the Tivolution. As I feared, my layout makes it darn near impossible to get a clean shot at one of the birds. That's unfortunate... I was really looking forward to an HD PVR.
-MP
Posted by: JohnA
Hey, PEACE everyone. Let's break some bread and get back to the subject at hand! I want my HD TIVO!!!
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by JohnA
Hey, PEACE everyone. Let's break some bread and get back to the subject at hand! I want my HD TIVO!!!
Speaking of bread...
When I go to the Netherlands, I can get some of the most delicious assortments of breads almost everywhere. In fact finding anything resembling what we clal bread here in the U.S. is rather difficult. The soft texture of things like Wonder Bread and their counterparts, which represents the majority of the typical bread aisle in most US grocery stores, is something you practically cannot find over there.
I've had whole meals where I just can't stop eating some of the kinds of bread over there... just plain buttered or maybe a slice of cheese too. The grains used seem quite different than what are used here -- less milled, I guess is the best way to try to describe it. It's like there's "meat" to the bread over there.
I wish we had the selection over here. At one time one of the grocery stores here had a tiny "gourmet bread" section, and the stuff they had was similar to what I found in Europe. But that disappeared.
Posted by: BillF
I for one would like to commend Doug for enlightening me. I have always been perplexed by all the people leaving CHICK-Fil-A with halos. ;)
Posted by: MikeSRC
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
For pickup. And that's retail pricing.
Right. I meant that as if the individual customer was paying for it, not VE. As a customer, I would expect to pay the regular rate. Seems to be a moot point anyway.
Posted by: joegolf68
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Kinda like jumping up and down telling everybody 47 times an hour to call Good Guys on Monday's, right? :D
j/k & trying to bring some levity to this discussion so we aren't "fighting" but at most just poking some fun at each other.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dswallow
I thought that was a great idea on my part! I was laughing all the way. I did call the Good Guys and they did get quite a response and I believe it did make them aware of the need to release the units ASAP. I enjoyed that so many VE customers thought I was committing heresy by possibly delaying VE's orders. My intent was to both show the silliness of the situation as well as show GG that they couldn't/shouldn't hold their units. Funny though, several posts at that time turned out to be correct when I forecasted delays in the shipment and that their would be issues with the EBay sales. time will tell. I do notice Doug you provided many responses with information but when I asked you of your sources, I never got a reply. There is a difference between speculation and factual info.
I am still looking forward to when the dust settles on this and se how many people are extremely happy and how many will be upset about something. That is the nature of a project this size. As I stated before, I can live without an HD unit forever, if it never came out. I'd like one, but I really don't make it my life's goal. There are so few things to watch in HD, that adding a recording option won't change my life very much.
I sincerely hope that Robert fills all the orders and everyone is happy and excited. I am still on Robert's list and if he beats the GG's, great. When I first ordered from VE I could not get an honest answer from the salesperson. They would not confirm how many had been ordered and kept saying I would have one probably in early April. It was a real shill sales tactic! I PM's Robert at the time and he apologized and said he would straighten out the salesperson. I believe he probably did and he showed me he was an ok guy, but now after this period of time, I still can't get a position from him and estimated delivery date. How difficult can it be to give me an exact numerical reading of my position and an estimate of which shipment I am in, etc.?
There has been so much misinformation on this thread, that half the enjoyment is to see what rumor will come out next and which ones will end up being correct.
Oh, the GG's are stating April 10th, however, their corporate office is saying do not be surprised if they beat that deadline by several days. Who knows, next week they might say another month and no one will still have them anywhere. I know that is the case with my SST-688 I ordered from Harmony. The date seems to be more flexible than a lap dancer. Robert posted that he will beat my shipment from them. Harmony has guaranteed me I will have one before Robert. I didn't know Robert was even selling them until I saw his post the other day. I would change to Robert, so as to do business with someone here, however, Harmony says all shipments will come out of CA where I live.
What ever happened to Robert picking these up in San Diego? I saw a post about the delay, but never saw anything about why San Diego is no longer the shipment site.
Posted by: JohnA
I think the whole delay was more related to a problem D* or other retailers had with what Robert was about to do. Think they put the kibosh to the idea of him shipping from CA. Hence a 4 day trip for the units to NY before he could ship. That is about the extent of the delay.
In my business new rollouts are always date sensative. We ship to warehouses but the product is not offered to the public until all retailers have product in hand.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by joegolf68
I do notice Doug you provided many responses with information but when I asked you of your sources, I never got a reply. There is a difference between speculation and factual info.
Unfortunately it's necessary not to reply to inquiries about that sort of thing because it's not possible to give some of those answers without the source becoming evident, and thus drying up the source or other source(s). Technically the units did indeed start coming off the production line as planned; but due to other reasons mentioned already those units can't enter the retail channel and were diverted for other uses. For example, we saw the photos of boxes received at DirecTV for distribution to some folks corporately. And I "suspect" beta testers might've received some of them as well... not for testing reasons, but because there were likely changes in the hardware since when their initial units were provided to them.
So as I'm somewhat visible with this pre-order list posting, I get used as a conduit for others from time to time. I don't just blindly repeat things though -- once or twice I chose to obfuscate further in case someone was testing the leaky waters with info that could be traced. But I feel comfortable about the information sources.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by JohnA
In my business new rollouts are always date sensative. We ship to warehouses but the product is not offered to the public until all retailers have product in hand.
Software and DVD's/CD's get handled like this all the time; the distribution channel fills up and gets items into the retail channel with a specific release date being when they can put them out for sale.
Ever pre-order from Amazon.com? They often ship pre-orders before the release date but such that you receive them on the release date. That's carrying release dats to the next level. ;)
Theaters do this too, getting films earlier, but not being able to show them till their release date -- which is why really popular ones often have midnight shows, since the "date" has rolled around then and it's OK to exhibit them.
Posted by: herdfan
Has anyone been watching Tanya and the dork on channel 500. At approximately 9 minutes after the hour they mention the HD DRV and say that demand is high and supplies will be short. They also gave a number to call and order equipment.
So I called this number and got a CSR who told me that the units aren't coming out until this summer and I told her what I just watched and after leaving me on hold for like 10 minutes, she came back and said yes I was right, but that D* was not going to sell them and she gave me a number for Hughes.
So I call this number and get a guy who knows all about the HD DVR and tells me that Hughes is not selling them and the actual release date is April 16th. I asked him if there would be stock on the shelves to buy that weekend and he said there would be, but it might be limited.
It seems all of this corresponds with the current dates that are being given from Solid Signal, GG's etc. as to when they will be available. It seems Robert was able to get a certain quantity released early, we will know on Tuesday.
It would also make sense to release on a Friday so that the advertising circulars could list it for the weekend shoppers.
So here is waiting for the 16th. :D
Posted by: Starrbuck
quote:
Originally posted by neilaevans
Do you mean that the EARLIEST it could ship is Tuesday? (Rather than latest)...
The latest update on when they will ship is Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday. Apologies for the way I worded my message; I realize it was unclear.
Posted by: aaronwt
Anyone have a harmony 688 remote yet? I prordered one from VE and am anxiously awaiting it. I've been trying to get a 659 off ebay for under a hundred just so i could try it out, but I haven't had any luck with that yet. I figure I could use it untill the 688 arrives and then move the 659 to the bedroom.
Posted by: Starrbuck
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Read the first "latest" as "latest news".
Exactly! I have a bad habit of not going back and reading what I just wrote. :rolleyes:
Posted by: MikeSRC
quote:
Anyone have a harmony 688 remote yet?
The 688 is not out yet. They are doing some QA in China, after which they'll be sending some to Harmony for final QA before they ship the full batch. It's estimated that they'll be coming into the U.S. around the 15th or 16th, but that's not definite yet.
Posted by: KCWolfPck
quote:
Originally posted by slocko
If you guys remember, KC also had a pre-order with Tweeters.
Since I believe what Robert posted, my feeling is that KC chose to go with
Tweeters even if it took longer, just to pretend to rub it in our faces.
I doubt Direct will lie to Robert, especially given the relationship.
I did pre-order from both VE and Tweeters. However, I didn't get it from either of those sources.
Posted by: btwyx
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
I wish we had the selection over here. At one time one of the grocery stores here had a tiny "gourmet bread" section, and the stuff they had was similar to what I found in Europe. But that disappeared.
Have you tried higher end grocery stores? (Seems weird to say "high end" ad "grocery store" in the same sentence.) Some of the fancier stores around here have gourmet bread. A good place to start would be a Whole Foods Market, of which there are some in New Jersey. (And in the interest of full disclosure, I'm a shareholder.)
Posted by: KCWolfPck
quote:
Originally posted by jim_arrows
Hi Robert,
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you should divulge that information, I wouldn't expect you too. I was just pointing out that this would be the best indicator of KC's veracity; however, as others have pointed out, based upon his past posts there doesn't seem to be a lot of reason to believe him...
Thanks,
Jim
If I haven't told Robert before, he is free to tell the forum that I have cancelled my pre-order.
Posted by: KCWolfPck
quote:
Originally posted by Tom in OH
is it possible KC is a beta?
No, I am not a beta tester.
Posted by: KCWolfPck
quote:
Originally posted by osxguy
KC, your guide info should be updated by now -- what's the title of the first SpiceHD program showing on Thursday the 8th?
matt.
There is no Spice HD programming on Thursday the 8th.
Posted by: dandrewk
quote:
Originally posted by KCWolfPck
I did pre-order from both VE and Tweeters. However, I didn't get it from either of those sources.
You didn't get it from anywhere else either.
Let me guess. "You don't care if we believe you or not". What a perfect BS defense to a bare faced lie.
Until you provide PROOF, and stop hiding behind lame excuses, we will all assume you are a pathetic liar who has zero credibility. And until you do post proof, or a sincere apology, nobody here will believe anything you post ever again.
Posted by: KCWolfPck
quote:
Originally posted by dandrewk
You didn't get it from anywhere else either.
Let me guess. "I don't care if you believe me or not". What a perfect BS defense to a bare faced lie.
Until you provide PROOF, and stop hiding behind lame excuses, we will all assume you are a pathetic liar who has zero credibility. And until you do post proof, or a sincere apology, nobody here will believe anything you post ever again.
Like I said....believe it or not. It's not going to change the fact that I have it. So be a skeptic....I would be too if I were you.
Posted by: Tom in OH
it sure sounds like u have one KC. I don't see anything wrong with assuming you're telling the truth. But besides that I'm just anxious to hear more about this thing. Can u give us some more details about it's functionality. How's the picture quality? Do the fast forward and skip features work ok? And, has it crashed since u've had it?? Also, how loud is the harddrive? Can u hear it spinning? Have u felt the top for heat? Also, I'm sure we'd all luv to hear about it's ota reception. Thx for any details.
Posted by: k2ue
quote:
Originally posted by Tom in OH
it sure sounds like u have one KC. I don't see anything wrong with assuming you're telling the truth. But besides that I'm just anxious to hear more about this thing. Can u give us some more details about it's functionality. How's the picture quality? Do the fast forward and skip features work ok? And, has it crashed since u've had it?? Also, how loud is the harddrive? Can u hear it spinning? Have u felt the top for heat? Also, I'm sure we'd all luv to hear about it's ota reception. Thx for any details.
How loud is the FAN???
Posted by: Mr Pieces
I just pre ordered an HD TiVo from Showcase (A Tweeter Company) and they said the delivery date got pushed back to 4-30-04 and possibly as late as 5-15-04. I figured since I am about 1000th on VE list I would pre-order one from Showcase also to hedge my bets. Since they both will refund my deposit if the other one delivers first I figure what the heck.
Posted by: slocko
Really? That is not what you posted about 40 minutes ago, before you EDITED your post.
quote:
Originally posted by KCWolfPck
There is no Spice HD programming on Thursday the 8th.
Posted by: Tom in OH
quote:
Originally posted by k2ue
How loud is the FAN???
ya, that too...
Let's start an organized list of questions for KC.
Doug -- I believe your organizational skills are required here....
Posted by: KCWolfPck
quote:
Originally posted by Tom in OH
it sure sounds like u have one KC. I don't see anything wrong with assuming you're telling the truth. But besides that I'm just anxious to hear more about this thing. Can u give us some more details about it's functionality.
It functions exactly as I expected it would.
quote:
Originally posted by Tom in OH
How's the picture quality?
It is on par with the Sony HD200 I was used too. Note that with the HD200, I was using component inputs. For some reason, I was getting weird lines of color when I would watch HD material through the DVI and it wasn't centered on the screen (when using the HD200). The HDMI to DVI cable works fine. I now know that it was a problem with my HD200 and not my TV. Still, my only complaint thus far is a lack of a "panorama" stretch mode.
quote:
Originally posted by Tom in OH
Do the fast forward and skip features work ok?
As said before, functionality is fine. No problems thus far.
quote:
Originally posted by Tom in OH
And, has it crashed since u've had it??
No.
quote:
Originally posted by Tom in OH
Also, how loud is the harddrive? Can u hear it spinning?
It's not noticable from my seating position during playback. I sit about 12 feet from my TV.
quote:
Originally posted by Tom in OH
Have u felt the top for heat?
Warmer than a DVD player, not as warm as an Amp.
quote:
Originally posted by Tom in OH
Also, I'm sure we'd all luv to hear about it's ota reception.
Unfortunately, I cannot comment on that. I am not in range of an OTA HD signal.
Posted by: KCWolfPck
quote:
Originally posted by slocko
Really? That is not what you posted about 40 minutes ago, before you EDITED your post.
Yes, I originally replied "The Nooner" and then realized that it technically wasn't on Thursday.....it is on Friday morning. Wasn't sure if you meant Thursday night, so for the sake of being "technically" correct, I edited my post.
Posted by: KCWolfPck
quote:
Originally posted by k2ue
How loud is the FAN???
These questions can be answered different ways by different people with different hearing and different background noises. What kind of answer do you want? I can get my freakin dB meter and measure for you......jeez.
Posted by: Stuigi
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
I would pay a discounted rate on the Stuarday pick-up fee.
Stuarday? Doug what drugs/alcohol are you on? I want some
Posted by: genearch
What's it going to take to get this thread back on topic?
I come to this thread to read about the HD TiVo, I could care less about Chicken, bread or whatever else. If you're simply amusing yourself while waiting, how about taking it to the Happy Hour?
Damn.. you people just don't get it..
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by Stuigi
Stuarday? Doug what drugs/alcohol are you on? I want some
My "a" finger wasn't synchronized properly with my "tu" finger. It was a mechanical problem. Not drugs. Sorry. ;)
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by genearch
Damn.. you people just don't get it..
We will next week. In the meantime there's really nothing to talk about except normal meandering conversations around the waiting room.
Posted by: Kamakzie
KCWolfPck, does the 30 second skip easter egg work?
Posted by: sdf777
I've asked twice now (or did I miss the answer). We have indications of when the first allocation will be shipped and when the allocations after the first two will be shipped, but when is the second allocation going to be shipped (one week after 4/6)?
Posted by: KCWolfPck
quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
KCWolfPck, does the 30 second skip easter egg work?
Yes. In fact, I just learned about that today in this thread. Can you tell I'm a TiVo newbie? LOL :D Luvin it though. I finally get to watch MadTV and SNL instead of switching back and forth. Life is good!
Posted by: genearch
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
We will next week. In the meantime there's really nothing to talk about except normal meandering conversations around the waiting room.
Then Damnit! Move to the HH fourm and quit filling this thread with your dribble...
I'm done ranting in this... maybe a MOD will step in?
Posted by: Tom in OH
quote:
Originally posted by KCWolfPck
These questions can be answered different ways by different people with different hearing and different background noises. What kind of answer do you want? I can get my freakin dB meter and measure for you......jeez.
u can probably understand why we'd be interested to hear the details, especially fan noise since that's been a problem with other units.
Thx for your responses. Also, can u give us more details on where u bought it. How did your retailer get it sooo soon compared to everyone else? Did u have to pay more for early release? I know u mentioned earlier u didn't wanna give details on where it came from but it's just us here on the forum. I'm sure if u ask nicely, we'll all stay mum...
Posted by: grins
quote:
Originally posted by gamecox86
You might want to consult your dictionary. 24 times a year could also be bimonthly.
D'oh! I actually did check....in an older dictionary. damn living languages and their fluidity. ;) That's exactly where the other grammar thread went, too. I should know better :)
Posted by: KCWolfPck
quote:
Originally posted by Tom in OH
u can probably understand why we'd be interested to hear the details, especially fan noise since that's been a problem with other units.
Thx for your responses. Also, can u give us more details on where u bought it. How did your retailer get it sooo soon compared to everyone else? Did u have to pay more for early release? I know u mentioned earlier u didn't wanna give details on where it came from but it's just us here on the forum. I'm sure if u ask nicely, we'll all stay mum...
I didn't get it at a retailer and I paid the full MSRP.
Posted by: slocko
i did find a way to customize the hbo guide at hbo.com so it only shows you primetime timeslots in list view for one month in advance.
you have to register though on the site.
not much i want to watch in april besides sopranos and deadwood.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by genearch
Then Damnit! Move to the HH fourm and quit filling this thread with your dribble...
If you haven't figured out this thread after over 5,000 posts, perhaps you should turn off the computer for a few days and wait until Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday to come back looking for the new thread(s) talking about the units people have received.
quote:
Originally posted by genearch
I'm done ranting in this...
Crossing my fingers.
quote:
Originally posted by genearch
maybe a MOD will step in?
We've been quite well behaved here. There've been only 2 times things came close to getting out of hand, and we dealt with it quite well ourselves. I suppose this is the beginning of the third time. I'm sure we'll all deal with it properly as well.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by Tom in OH
u can probably understand why we'd be interested to hear the details, especially fan noise since that's been a problem with other units.
FWIW, I recently replaced my SAT-T60 fan with a Papst fan. Now as I understand it the Series 2 unit fans were loader than the series 1 units, but my real intent was to increase airflow, but as long as I was buying another fan, I decided to get the Papst one which is a uniquely engineered fan -- they actually balance each fan individually to ensure it rotates silently, too. The original fan also plugs into a motherboard header that gets 7 volts instead of running at full speed at 12 volts. I wired the Papst into the 12v power. The thing is amazingly silent. But it's a $20+ fan. If there's any problem with whatsoever with fan noise in the HD DVR, I'd recommend a Papst brand replacement.
http://www.siliconacoustics.com/papst612ngml.html
Posted by: genearch
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
If you haven't figured out this thread after over 5,000 posts, perhaps you should turn off the computer for a few days and wait until Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday to come back looking for the new thread(s) talking about the units people have received.
Crossing my fingers.
We've been quite well behaved here. There've been only 2 times things came close to getting out of hand, and we dealt with it quite well ourselves. I suppose this is the beginning of the third time. I'm sure we'll all deal with it properly as well.
can't let this go unanswered...
Maybe.. just maybe... you could be considerate of a guy like Robert. He might hit this thread a few times looking to add useful info, but he has to waste his time sifting through rants on chicken, religous beliefs and bread...
Sheesh...
Posted by: slocko
just checked showtime. also can be customized to get one month listings of only true HDTV material.
Britney concert in Miami in HD this month!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: slocko
Robert is very happy with the help Doug has given him.
quote:
Originally posted by genearch
can't let this go unanswered...
Maybe.. just maybe... you could be considerate of a guy like Robert. He might hit this thread a few times looking to add useful info, but he has to waste his time sifting through rants on chicken, religous beliefs and bread...
Sheesh...
Posted by: Tom in OH
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
FWIW, I recently replaced my SAT-T60 fan with a Papst fan. If there's any problem with whatsoever with fan noise in the HD DVR, I'd recommend a Papst brand replacement.
http://www.siliconacoustics.com/papst612ngml.html
thx for the fan tip -- I need some powerful, yet quiet fans for the Electrohome projector(which I'll be using with the HD-dvr250 to stay on topic...). The existing fans are a little loud.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by genearch
Maybe.. just maybe... you could be considerate of a guy like Robert. He might hit this thread a few times looking to add useful info, but he has to waste his time sifting through rants on chicken, religous beliefs and bread...
Robert and the majority of people in this thread have demonstrated the ability to read it, chuckle at the funny parts, ignore the bantering they don't care about, contribute their opinions when they feel like it and share any information they have to offer for over 5,000 posts. Quite a few people actually complain when the bantering stops as they seem to find this a worthwhile way to pass the time. One day somebody's likely even to index this ridiculous thread. If it does nothing else (and it in now way seems limited to this, but "if"), it's representative of how much we are all anxiously awaiting this device that there should be the level of amusing banter here that there is. But conversation always comes back around pretty quickly to HR10-250 talk. Always. I really don't see why you are having such a problem with this; it's not anoything new to this thread if you've watched it for any length of time. We've been doing this pretty much since January. Why is it any sort of problem for you now, of all times?
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by slocko
just checked showtime. also can be customized to get one month listings of only true HDTV material.
Britney concert in Miami in HD this month!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think someone mentioned you can get this sort of listing out of zap2it.com too... I'm gonna go look; I haven't been there for awhile. Normally online I've been liking titantv.com enough to not go wandering elsewhere for listings.
Posted by: Tom in OH
quote:
Originally posted by slocko
just checked showtime. also can be customized to get one month listings of only true HDTV material.
Britney concert in Miami in HD this month!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
there's a whole thread on Britney's performance at AVS. Generally, people were not happy with the sound or production(which I'll be recording on the HD-dvr250 on a rerun to stay on topic.... ^_^)
Posted by: dswallow
At www.titantv.com there is a "Today's HDTV" link you can click on to see all HD programming from your channel lineup merged together in one list by time. THere's also an "HDTV Update" link on the right side that takes you to a daily by-channel summary of the programming in HD for up to the next week.
At www.zap2it.com you can click on the channel number in your listing and see a grid of the entire week for that channel.
Posted by: billcoff
quote:
Originally posted by genearch
can't let this go unanswered...
Maybe.. just maybe... you could be considerate of a guy like Robert. He might hit this thread a few times looking to add useful info, but he has to waste his time sifting through rants on chicken, religous beliefs and bread...
Sheesh...
I suspect Robert has several hundred preorders that he wouldn't have had if Doug had not put the list together and kept it up to date.
A thread of 5000+ posts did not happen by accident.
Posted by: madpoet
quote:
Originally posted by slocko
time to put that house for sale. www.remax.com !!!
what a bummer. so what are choices? i think voom uses the same satellite position no? i dont' know about dish.
i guess cable huh?
Nope, I just moved in Thursday :). Voom is getting installed as I type. It shoots at the 61.5 bird, for which I have a beautiful line of sight. Hopefully Voom survives long enough to get me a PVR :)
Posted by: Graphics
I know people that are willing to pay Big Bucks to see if you have a legitimate retail box period, like in the TENS of thousands of dollars. And if in fact you do, they also would like to take legal action (Against SOMEONE) for having one in the first place, before the official release date. D* has no unit in there data bank of a LEGITIMATELY ACTIVATED UNIT on record, now follow the sentence with and the word LEGITIMATE. Now boosting to the the forum members in the 1st place, you might be getting your Jolly's off, because if your were a BETA tester, your on the verge of violating your confidential agreement with D*, and they probably already know who you are, which is probable, and thats why your very mucky in your responses. I'm not completely ignoring that YOU MIGHT have a unit, but as sure as I'm writing this paragraph its not operating with the ACCESS CARD that was issued with the unit, and thats another story in itself. Maybe come Monday you might be able to activate the ACCESS CARD that came with the unit, but *my sources say none so far. That was this morning at 10:00am EST
To prove your self, to the FORUM Members, I could care less, your good insight into this RANT, that you have one. Just Give us the time and date you called into D* to activate your LEGITIMATE RETAIL UNIT, the SERIAL # of the unit, then our suspicion will greatly subside, but doubtful. Your one or two word responses to what questions other members put toward you, then you get annoyed is also suspicious. I'm done with this topic, its all BS!
I'll wait a read other post of someone who really cares about fellow potential users, and that pass on good info to others that isn't cloaked in four feet of cow dung.
Hey Richard......we got a live one here!
Posted by: slocko
i had checked out titan but it only give you one week at a time.
zapit doesn't seem to have a way to filter out non hdtv listings.
hdtvgalaxy was the best because you could see an entire week at a time in a list view. but it only give you a week.
hbo and showtime let you see an entire month of hdtv content only in a list view.
i just wanted something that i could quickly look at to see if there is anything worthwhile to record for that month on my new HD-Tivo.
I was hoping that I might be able to cancel netflix, but I had forgotten how far behind these companies are behind dvd releases.
Posted by: RightHere
<looks like the mods don't want it>
Posted by: slocko
How would you know though? Direct doesn't seem to have the HD-Tivo listed on their list of equipment to be activated either on the website or if you talk to a CSR.
It seems you could activate one and say it's something else. Unless the Access Card themselves tie in to a particular model of receiver?
I doubt KC is a beta tester. I don't think he would have been posting here about the pre-order, especially pre-ording in two different places.
quote:
Originally posted by Graphics
I know people that are willing to pay Big Bucks to see if you have a legitimate retail box period, like in the TENS of thousands of dollars. And if in fact you do, they also would like to take legal action (Against SOMEONE) for having one in the first place, before the official release date. D* has no unit in there data bank of a LEGITIMATELY ACTIVATED UNIT on record, now follow the sentence with and the word LEGITIMATE. Now boosting to the the forum members in the 1st place, you might be getting your Jolly's off, because if your were a BETA tester, your on the verge of violating your confidential agreement with D*, and they probably already know who you are, which is probable, and thats why your very mucky in your responses. I'm not completely ignoring that YOU MIGHT have a unit, but as sure as I'm writing this paragraph its not operating with the ACCESS CARD that was issued with the unit, and thats another story in itself. Maybe come Monday you might be able to activate the ACCESS CARD that came with the unit, but *my sources say none so far. That was this morning at 10:00am EST
To prove your self, to the FORUM Members, I could care less, your good insight into this RANT, that you have one. Just Give us the time and date you called into D* to activate your LEGITIMATE RETAIL UNIT, the SERIAL # of the unit, then our suspicion will greatly subside, but doubtful. Your one or two word responses to what questions other members put toward you, then you get annoyed is also suspicious. I'm done with this topic, its all BS!
I'll wait a read other post of someone who really cares about fellow potential users, and that pass on good info to others that isn't cloaked in four feet of cow dung.
Hey Richard......we got a live one here!
Posted by: unixadm
Ok...let's keep this on topic, and NO FLAMING.
It would be a shame to lock a thread like this because some people can't abide by the rules.
This should be about the pre-order only.....any other conversations should be taken to other threads in this forum, or Happy Hour, if applicable.
Thanks.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by RightHere
Graphics,
I think I speak for everyone here when I say this: STFU
Thanks.
Well, not everyone. I agree with the jist of what was said. I abhor theft of services and would like to see such things pursued if that's happening; and anyone violating a contract that might restrict selling a beta unit (or the unit beta testers would receive at the end of the program -- that they have to pay for partially) should suffer any penalties their contract provides for if they did something they shouldn't have.
Posted by: dropper
KC,
Here's one. What's your serial number (obscure the last 2 digits with xx) and the full model number and perhaps the FCC ID?
Keith
Posted by: ArmyEagle
quote:
Originally posted by joegolf68
You simply used an overused tactic of the left. I NEVER said you were a left wing ideologue!!!! I said you used their well known tactics!!!! The far right does go to the same level of weirdness when it comes to religious matters. As for Rush, he goes off on the same rants when it comes to religious issues. So, please look again, please read again, my statement.
Now, were you really offended? If so, so what? I simply don't care for your approach when disagreeing with Doug. In our society, it has become commonplace to say one is offended and expect that to be enough to censor another's views. It is a tactic which I believe hinderss both free speech and an exchange of ideas.
By posting your views that you were offended, what outcome were you hoping for? If I were to be actually offended by someone's comments, I would hope I could base it on factual analysis and not on an emotional response. I think your response to Doug was overly dramatic and emotional. A state which seems to be overly used in America today in order to get what one wants.
I agree. Also, it has become nearly impossible to mention any kind of statement referencing race without it being considered racist. For example, if I were to do research on test scores for all college students in the US and found out that Jews had the highest average score followed by Asians, Caucasians, Hispanics and blacks, it wouldn't be racist to state that blacks are not as intelligent as other races. There can and probably are mitigating reasons (blacks haven't had as much access to good education as other races, etc.), but the previous statement is certainly not racist. It is based on statistics. It would be racist, however, to claim that a black person is not as intelligent as a Jew, Asian, Caucasian or Hispanic without any further information other than race because this is a purely subjective statement. One's race does not imply that one conforms to the racial averages.
When did it become racist to make a statement about race based in fact?
I don't make a habit of going around stating blacks are not as intelligent as other races even though statistics prove it. One reason is because I believe the statement, that blacks have for too long been denied access to a good education, contributes to this fact.
Posted by: subspace100
Boy I can't wait for that new HD TiVo! :)
Posted by: PJO1966
I second that subspace...
Let's keep this topic away from subjects that are likely to get it closed...
I'm still wondering why my cc had a pre-authorization a few days ago then disappeared. The charge hasn't appeared since.
Posted by: billcoff
quote:
Originally posted by PJO1966
I second that subspace...
Let's keep this topic away from subjects that are likely to get it closed...
I'm still wondering why my cc had a pre-authorization a few days ago then disappeared. The charge hasn't appeared since.
I had the same thing happen yesterday. I am wondering if VE decided to wait until shipping before making the actual charge.
Posted by: slocko
Didn't Robert tell you PJ?
He had an automatic raffle. He randomly picked one of the first 200 and you won!!!!
You won't have to pay a dime :D
Posted by: PJO1966
OK... that works, especially since my HD receiver just sold on ebay for $300.
Posted by: Kamakzie
Dang I didn't win :( hehehe :D
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by PJO1966
I second that subspace...
Let's keep this topic away from subjects that are likely to get it closed...
I'm still wondering why my cc had a pre-authorization a few days ago then disappeared. The charge hasn't appeared since.
Perhaps your bank simply has some sort of delay in getting transactions into wherever they need to be to see.
An authorization is typically assocated with a credit card transaction, so the authorization would drop off your account if the associated transaction didn't get posted within 7 days. But once the transaction is posted, the authorization goes away immediately, but now you should have the actual transaction on your records.
The 2 Dell 20" LCD's I bought were placed on the same card I used. I now see the transaction on the account activity page. But the pending authorization still includes the amount for it, and still includes the amount that should be the HD DVR charge. However the available credit on the account properly reflects both totals without the LCD charge being subtracted twice.
I stopped trying to figure out how banks computer systems work; there's nothing else like them in the real world. :)
Go figure.
Posted by: DTV TiVo Dealer
quote:
Originally posted by KCWolfPck
Date: 1/16/2004
Time: 1:05:49 PM
12499
#23
Doug, please correct your HR10-250 list to remove this entry. It seems to me that KCWolfPck commandeered this position. This order # belongs to another member. Also, order #12499 came in a little earlier than 1:05 PM.
I can not find any other order for KCWolfPck. Like I said this morning, KCWolfPck is just having fun.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Doug, please correct your HR10-250 list to remove this entry. It seems to me that KCWolfPck commandeered this position. This order # belongs to another member. Also, order #12499 came in a little earlier than 1:05 PM.
I can not find any other order for KCWolfPck. Like I said this morning, KCWolfPck is just having fun.
I guess #201 who was likely really hoping to move up one is gonna be a bit disappointed, huh? :)
That explains one pre-order list anomaly, though.
Posted by: joegolf68
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Unfortunately it's necessary not to reply to inquiries about that sort of thing because it's not possible to give some of those answers without the source becoming evident, and thus drying up the source or other source(s). Technically the units did indeed start coming off the production line as planned; but due to other reasons mentioned already those units can't enter the retail channel and were diverted for other uses. For example, we saw the photos of boxes received at DirecTV for distribution to some folks corporately. And I "suspect" beta testers might've received some of them as well... not for testing reasons, but because there were likely changes in the hardware since when their initial units were provided to them.
So as I'm somewhat visible with this pre-order list posting, I get used as a conduit for others from time to time. I don't just blindly repeat things though -- once or twice I chose to obfuscate further in case someone was testing the leaky waters with info that could be traced. But I feel comfortable about the information sources.
lol
Doug, you have more posts on this thread than anyone here. Your info has been proven wrong more times than I can even itemize. Your sources appear to be speculative, at best. I suspect, you are an intelligent person and have no sources whatsoever, except maybe KC. Sorry buddy, but can you say: "Passive-aggressive?" You have started several of the "flames" here and then sat back and enjoyed your work. Anyone doubting that just need go back and look at how many times Doug has flamed something and then headed for the sidelines. "Passive-Aggressive" an interesting term.
You appear more of a shill than a source of information. Your list of those that pre-ordered is awesome and shows you are dedicated to this entire thread, but that is the sum total of your information.
:)
Posted by: herdfan
quote:
[i] Your list of those that pre-ordered is awesome and shows you are dedicated to this entire thread, but that is the sum total of your information.:) [/B]
Don't forget it was his server and bandwidth that several thousand used to download the users manual.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by joegolf68
Doug, you have more posts on this thread than anyone here. Your info has been proven wrong more times than I can even itemize. Your sources appear to be speculative, at best. I suspect, you are an intelligent person and have no sources whatsoever, except maybe KC. Sorry buddy, but can you say: "Passive-aggressive?" You have started several of the "flames" here and then sat back and enjoyed your work. Anyone doubting that just need go back and look at how many times Doug has flamed something and then headed for the sidelines. "Passive-Aggressive" an interesting term.
You appear more of a shill than a source of information. Your list of those that pre-ordered is awesome and shows you are dedicated to this entire thread, but that is the sum total of your information.
Joe, things change. At the time of any posts to which you're referring, that info was correct. But events change. That's probably the biggest reason info does NOT get released officially like this. People like you will jump all over it when it turns out that something has to change and the info passed on becomes incorrect.
Your accusations would be more meaningful if you would point to "flames" I started. I do have a tendency to finish them though. And let's make sure we're defining "flame" correctly here: "An insulting criticism or remark meant to incite anger, as on a computer network."
Posted by: joegolf68
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Robert and the majority of people in this thread have demonstrated the ability to read it, chuckle at the funny parts, ignore the bantering they don't care about, contribute their opinions when they feel like it and share any information they have to offer for over 5,000 posts. Quite a few people actually complain when the bantering stops as they seem to find this a worthwhile way to pass the time. One day somebody's likely even to index this ridiculous thread. If it does nothing else (and it in now way seems limited to this, but "if"), it's representative of how much we are all anxiously awaiting this device that there should be the level of amusing banter here that there is. But conversation always comes back around pretty quickly to HR10-250 talk. Always. I really don't see why you are having such a problem with this; it's not anoything new to this thread if you've watched it for any length of time. We've been doing this pretty much since January. Why is it any sort of problem for you now, of all times?
Don't get on Doug, this thread has become his life!
Posted by: dswallow
I'm not doing anything altruistic here, either. I'm having fun just like everyone else hanging out with you all. I forget exactly why I started that list... I think it was because people started speculating a lot about who was where on it. That was around post #800 or so.
Posted by: cheridave
UP-DATE:
No I have not received my HD-TIVO-
No my CC has not been charged-
Yes, I did have Pizza for dinner-
Well thats all for now!
Dave
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by joegolf68
Don't get on Doug, this thread has become his life!
It's either this or taxes; and I'm really trying to avoid doing the taxes.
Though, unfortunately, I did start piddling with them today. Right now, actually, so the diversion everytime an email notification of a posting here comes in is welcome. Without double-checking all my transactions yet, I'm looking at a $351 payment now. So I'm generally happy; I'd rather it be a $351 refund, but at least it's within $1,000 which is where I try to get it to be every year. I want to be the one using my money all year long, not someone else. :)
Oh yeah... I've also been using this as an excuse not to go up in the attic to run 2 electric wires down to the garage while I have some access holes in walls open along the way. I'm so sick of running wire right now. I can't put that off much more either... gotta get my walls patched up and repainted.
I've also got a bunch of shopping cart changes I'm working on. Yet another reason I'm stuck in front of the computer this chilly Saturday in NJ.
Posted by: joegolf68
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Joe, things change. At the time of any posts to which you're referring, that info was correct. But events change. That's probably the biggest reason info does NOT get released officially like this. People like you will jump all over it when it turns out that something has to change and the info passed on becomes incorrect.
Your accusations would be more meaningful if you would point to "flames" I started. I do have a tendency to finish them though. And let's make sure we're defining "flame" correctly here: "An insulting criticism or remark meant to incite anger, as on a computer network."
Doug, I have read your posts and replies. You have been passive aggressive. You tend to just poke a little and then watch the fireworks. Just an observation and a valid one. No problem here, just pointing out the facts. An example is when I made the stupid lawsuit post, retracted and edited it, and not once did you do anything to assist me. That is a classic definition of passive aggressive. I'm sure yoiu are familiar with teh term and have had the opportunity to hear it from those who know you. I don't have a problem with that, but like to point it out when I see it. On the other hand, I am simply aggressive, which is more in your face, but more honest, although less social.
:)
Posted by: jdk
quote:
Originally posted by joegolf68
lol
Doug, you have more posts on this thread than anyone here. Your info has been proven wrong more times than I can even itemize. :)
I don't recall Doug ever giving information that turned out to be false. His advice and answers have always been spot-on, as far as I can remember.
Now, if you're talking about his copy-and-paste of the information given him by DTV Tivo Dealer regarding the ship dates of the HD10-250, then you might be able to say that this info was "proven wrong" one time because of the well known last minute ship-date change by DirecTV. However, since that wasn't information generated by Doug, I don't see how you can fault him for it.
Posted by: joegolf68
Anyoneone believing KC has a unit in hand, please let me know, I have some bridges I am selling. I do appreciate that KC has poked a nerve here!!!!
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by joegolf68
Just an observation and a valid one. No problem here, just pointing out the facts. An example is when I made the stupid lawsuit post, retracted and edited it, and not once did you do anything to assist me.
Was there some expectation on your part of assistance from me? I thought you were wrong. I said so. You edited your post then. Did you ask me to edit my quote of it? No. Later on in this thread something similar happened with another user; where I'd quoted and replied but they'd changed it. The person involved PM'd me, asking me to change my quote of it, and I did. There's no conspiracy against you. Quite the opposite; you gave us some cute quotes to use. It's kinda fun now to ask people reading here if they might have the number for Good Guys, for instance.
Posted by: KCWolfPck
quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Doug, please correct your HR10-250 list to remove this entry. It seems to me that KCWolfPck commandeered this position. This order # belongs to another member. Also, order #12499 came in a little earlier than 1:05 PM.
I can not find any other order for KCWolfPck. Like I said this morning, KCWolfPck is just having fun.
Oh, it's gotta be like that Robert?
First, thank you for crediting my refund after I faxed you documentation to show I indeed had a HR10-250.
Now, I am speculating that you made the above post to protect your reputation??? What, you just can't stand that you weren't the first to get one? Did you think I would just let that post slide and not confront you about it here?
It's a shame....I thought much bigger of you until this.
Posted by: JLWINE
quote:
Originally posted by madpoet
Well, sadly I won't be joining the Tivolution. As I feared, my layout makes it darn near impossible to get a clean shot at one of the birds. That's unfortunate... I was really looking forward to an HD PVR.
-MP
Which bird? If it is only the 119 satellite you would only lose HBO HD and HDNet, along with standard def NASA and a couple other standard definition stations. So unless your locals are on that bird you might want to reconsider. I only get the 119 5 months a year when there are no leaves on the trees, although I wish I could get it--it has not stopped me from be a very happy customer otherwise. Also, my understanding is any new HD programming will be added to the 110 orbit.
Posted by: joegolf68
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Was there some expectation on your part of assistance from me? I thought you were wrong. I said so. You edited your post then. Did you ask me to edit my quote of it? No. Later on in this thread something similar happened with another user; where I'd quoted and replied but they'd changed it. The person involved PM'd me, asking me to change my quote of it, and I did. There's no conspiracy against you. Quite the opposite; you gave us some cute quotes to use. It's kinda fun now to ask people reading here if they might have the number for Good Guys, for instance.
Perfect passive aggressive behavior. You know what you did and did not correct it, knowing there would be quite a squabble. I expected your response. Psychology 101. Ok, I did not ask you to edit it, that was something any non passive aggressive person would have done. That is EXACTLY what a passive aggressive person would do. I can live with it, but now that I have pointed it out, just maybe others, and you, will see that style of behavior. Do as you may. I know no one here and could care less. Outing someone with passive aggressive behavior is usually the best thing, as many people don't notice the subtle bahavior, at least at first. Doug, deny it, accept it, or whatever, it is there and obvious to me. Now on to KC and the sunshine he is blowing up our rears. lol
Posted by: DTV TiVo Dealer
Joe, enough already, please if you won't listen to the members asking you to stop the rude and totally unnecessary posts, heed to the moderators warnings.
Many of Doug's posts are fun. However, Doug's posts contain extremely valuable information and excellent technical, accurate information. His support with posting the user manual and pre-order list has given this forum invaluable quality information that would not be available otherwise.
Why don't you just call Good Guys with your free time.
Posted by: maharg18
quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Why don't you just call Good Guys with your free time.
LOL!
:D
Posted by: JLWINE
quote:
Originally posted by genearch
can't let this go unanswered...
Maybe.. just maybe... you could be considerate of a guy like Robert. He might hit this thread a few times looking to add useful info, but he has to waste his time sifting through rants on chicken, religous beliefs and bread...
Sheesh...
Genearch, would you stay on topic?
Posted by: genearch
quote:
Originally posted by JLWINE
Genearch, would you stay on topic?
Water under the bridge my friend...
Doug and I are just fine..
On the HDTiVo topic...
Has anyone found the details of the processor and ram in this box? A little speed bump would be much appreciated.
Posted by: joegolf68
quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Joe, enough already, please if you won't listen to the members asking you to stop the rude and totally unnecessary posts, heed to the moderators warnings.
Many of Doug's posts are fun. However, Doug's posts contain extremely valuable information and excellent technical, accurate information. His support with posting the user manual and pre-order list has given this forum invaluable quality information that would not be available otherwise.
Why don't you just call Good Guys with your free time.
Doug's list was great, his other info has been more wrong than right. If he got that info from you, oh well. Sorry Robert, I thought I was entitled to my opinion too. I was unaware of any moderator warnings of any of my posts. Please point it out as I follow the rules when I know them! I do understand why you would be upset. Doug has, over a very long period of time, set up the order list, a list which I would have expected YOU to have for us from the very beginning informing us of where we were on the list.
No need for me to call the Good Guys now, they gave me that info ( where I was on the order list) on the first day of my order. I respect that you support Doug, he is responsible for keeping this thread going and probably a hell of a lot of profit for you! He is, or should be receiving his unit at even a bigger discount or for free for all his shilling for VE.
And as for me, I can see where you would not be happy. I may have directed others to the Good Guys. Also, I could tell from your other post you were not happy with me ordering directly from Harmony, instead of you for the SST-688. You made a point of telling me that you would have your units there before I got mine. Wanna bet the price of an SST-688? I just might lose, but I do love to gamble!!! Open invitation, $199 bet who has their shipment (not just one unit you might wranggle them out of) first?
Hey, that's business and I can respect that. Please be as responsive Robert to your PM's (full box for over a month) and posts here about credit cards as you are to protecting Doug. Others out there have been pleading for some time for explanations. Ignore me, the whinner and answer your customers.
Have a great day. This will all be over soon and you can enjoy a HUGE profit for the entire headache! And officialy hire Doug as your point man.
:)
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by genearch
Water under the bridge my friend...
Doug and I are just fine..
On the HDTiVo topic...
Has anyone found the details of the processor and ram in this box? A little speed bump would be much appreciated.
I posted this info back on 2/4/2004 (though not in this thread before -- probably one of the few topics not yet covered in this thread!)
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...939#post1704939
quote:
The DirecTV HD DVR uses the BCM7037 chip from BroadCom. While info on that specific chip isn't on their web site, info on the BCM7038 is, and according to it, the chip includes the BCM4500 IF demodulator circuit (also available as a separate chip, hence it seems BroadCom modularly designs things, and hence I'd expect the BCM4500 circuit in the BCM7037 as well), which specifically says:
quote:
The BCM4500 is a single chip digital satellite receiver supporting QPSK, 8PSK and 16QAM modulations with iteratively (turbo) decoded error correction coding. It represents an industry milestone in terms of satellite system throughput and operating points. The BCM4500 also receives DVB, DIRECTV and Digichiper II (DCII) QPSK signals to support legacy system operation.
The BCM4500 contains dual 7-bit A/D converters, an all-digital variable rate BPSK / QPSK / 8PSK / 16QAM receiver, an advanced modulation turbo FEC decoder, and a DVB / DIRECTV / DCII compliant FEC decoder. All required RAM is integrated and all required clocks are generated on chip from a single reference crystal. Baseband I/Q analog waveforms are sampled by the integrated 7-bit A/D converters, resampled by integrated interpolative digital filter banks, and filtered by dual square-root Nyquist filters. Optimized soft decisions are then fed into either a DVB / DIRECTV / DCII compliant FEC decoder, or an advanced modulation turbo decoder. The final error-corrected output is delivered in MPEG-2 or DIRECTV transport format. The output clock is generated by an on-chip PLL for low jitter operation and glueless integration with Broadcoms BCM7020 HD graphics and video subsystem.The BCM4500 contains a microcontroller which implements a high level language interface for easy host software development. It also contains an integrated DiSEqCTM controller for two way communication with LNB.
Here's my proof the BroadCom BCM7037 is the chip used in this unit:
http://www.broadcom.com/press/artic...r_id=PR040109-0
And here's the info on the BroadCom BCM7038:
http://www.broadcom.com/products/pr...duct_id=BCM7038
And the BCM7038 product brief, which includes a block diagram:
http://www.broadcom.com/collateral/pb/7038-PB00-R.pdf
How much of the 7038 might be present in the 7037? Who knows. Looking through a lot of BroadCom products finds a considerable amount of modular design... they reuse components pretty freely in the chipsets that include multiple functions that are also available in separate BroadCom chips. So while the 7037 might be older technology, I'd expect them to have generally followed the same paradigm.
The BCM7038 uses a MIPS64 R5Kf CPU (300MHz) and has a DDR-DRAM 200MHz controller. Obviously the BCM7038 is a little more feature-laden. Its specs include PIP, SATA, Ethernet, 6 video DACs for simultaneous output in different modes... all things we know are not done in the HR10-250. This'll be a neat chip to use in another generation product though.
Posted by: LarryInAz
quote:
Originally posted by PJO1966
...I'm still wondering why my cc had a pre-authorization a few days ago then disappeared. The charge hasn't appeared since.
I just checked my Bank of America account and discovered the $854.99 charge from VE was no longer there. I've never had that happen in the past. Usually the charges will be in a Pending/Holding area of my online banking page.
:confused:
Posted by: Toeside
Just wondering here, but isn't joegolf68's signature about Good Guys and their number violating forum policies? He's advertising for them, for whatever reason. Is he affiliated? Are the kickbacks?
Companies pay good money to advertise on Tivocommunity and other AVS forums. Why should Good Guys get free advertising with every post you make?
Posted by: Gromit
I'll be glad when my HD TiVo ships and I can go back to the Happy Hour. :)
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by Toeside
Why should Good Guys get free advertising with every post you make?
We could call them and ask. Anyone got their number?
Posted by: dropper
quote:
Originally posted by KCWolfPck
Oh, it's gotta be like that Robert?
First, thank you for crediting my refund after I faxed you documentation to show I indeed had a HR10-250.
Now, I am speculating that you made the above post to protect your reputation??? What, you just can't stand that you weren't the first to get one? Did you think I would just let that post slide and not confront you about it here?
It's a shame....I thought much bigger of you until this.
Fine, what's your serial number (XX the last 2 numbers)?
What's the full model number?
What's the FCC ID?
Answer those, big boy.
Keith
Posted by: herdfan
quote:
Originally posted by JLWINE
Also, my understanding is any new HD programming will be added to the 110 orbit.
On which transponder? D* only has 3 at that slot. Current programming from the 110 slot is:
ESPNHD
DISCOVERY HD
HDNET MOVIES
SHOWTIME HD
Jade East/West
JadeWorld Super
JadeWorld Movies
CCTV
So at most they could add 2 channels at that slot, so that is not likely.
With 7S moving 10-12 LIL from the CONUS at the 101 slot, my guess that any new HD will be added to 101 and not 110
Posted by: JLWINE
quote:
Originally posted by KCWolfPck
Unfortunately, I cannot comment on that. I am not in range of an OTA HD signal.
So you don't receive over the air signal.
quote:
Originally posted by KCWolfPck
Yes. In fact, I just learned about that today in this thread. Can you tell I'm a TiVo newbie? LOL :D Luvin it though. I finally get to watch MadTV and SNL instead of switching back and forth. Life is good!
Yet you are watching SNL and MadTv in HD. I guess you must be the first to also get NBC and FOX on the dish in HD.
quote:
Originally posted by KCWolfPck
Oh, it's gotta be like that Robert?
First, thank you for crediting my refund after I faxed you documentation to show I indeed had a HR10-250.
Now, I am speculating that you made the above post to protect your reputation??? What, you just can't stand that you weren't the first to get one? Did you think I would just let that post slide and not confront you about it here?
It's a shame....I thought much bigger of you until this.
Do you really want to test you credibility against Robert's?
FYI there is such a thing called "Libel Per Se" what it means is if someone knowingly and intentionally lies in print causing defamation to another person's livelihood, damages are assumed and awardable without the plaintiff even having to prove loss of business.
Posted by: Kamakzie
When D* adds more HD will it be on 110?
Posted by: SteveWinNJ
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
We could call them and ask. Anyone got their number?
LOL...Informative or Hilarious, I and many others appreciate the many posts and effort you have put forth Doug! :D
Posted by: JLWINE
quote:
Originally posted by herdfan
On which transponder? D* only has 3 at that slot. Current programming from the 110 slot is:
ESPNHD
DISCOVERY HD
HDNET MOVIES
SHOWTIME HD
Jade East/West
JadeWorld Super
JadeWorld Movies
CCTV
So at most they could add 2 channels at that slot, so that is not likely.
With 7S moving 10-12 LIL from the CONUS at the 101 slot, my guess that any new HD will be added to 101 and not 110
Instead of saying added to the 110 orbit I should of said, will not be added to the 119 orbit as I was not certain where 7 was going only that it was not going in 119. Also, didn't I read a while back that DirecTv was going to reduce bandwidth for its broadband services to make room for HD locals. Wouldn't that be on 110 bird?
Posted by: KCWolfPck
quote:
Originally posted by JLWINE
So you don't receive over the air signal.
Yet you are watching SNL and MadTv in HD. I guess you must be the first to also get NBC and FOX on the dish in HD.
Do you really want to test you credibility against Robert's?
FYI there is such a thing called "Libel Per Se" what it means is if someone knowingly and intentionally lies in print causing defamation to another person's livelihood, damages are assumed and awardable without the plaintiff even having to prove loss of business.
No, I receive no OTA channels.
Tell me where in my post I said I was timeshifting MadTV and SNL in HD? Surely, you must be aware the the HD TiVo can also timeshift SD material as well?? I would hope you'd know that anyway!?!?
And yes....I am knowledgable in law.
Posted by: joegolf68
quote:
Originally posted by Toeside
Just wondering here, but isn't joegolf68's signature about Good Guys and their number violating forum policies? He's advertising for them, for whatever reason. Is he affiliated? Are the kickbacks?
Companies pay good money to advertise on Tivocommunity and other AVS forums. Why should Good Guys get free advertising with every post you make?
How funny, half of this thread is a paid advertisement for VE! I don't even have a signature!!!! lol
Yeah, I make $500 for every unit Good Guys sells. This is just too funny!
:)
Posted by: herdfan
quote:
Originally posted by JLWINE
I was not certain where 7 was going only that it was not going in 119.
7S is going to the 119 slot.
http://www.sea-launch.com/current_launch.htm#profile
Posted by: SteveWinNJ
quote:
Originally posted by KCWolfPck
And yes....I am knowledgable in law.
Jailhouse lawyer?
Posted by: JLWINE
quote:
Originally posted by LarryInAz
I just checked my Bank of America account and discovered the $854.99 charge from VE was no longer there. I've never had that happen in the past. Usually the charges will be in a Pending/Holding area of my online banking page.
:confused:
Holds on credit cards last until one of two things happen. The batch in which that temporary authorization/hold was located is actually posted, or a certain amount of time has past--and this varies from 2-7 business days depending on your bank. So it is possible that when Robert though he was going to ship he authorized your card--but then removed that transaction before posting the batch--then after a certain time your bank automatically dropped the pending charge.
Posted by: Toeside
quote:
Originally posted by joegolf68
How funny, half of this thread is a paid advertisement for VE!
Yeah, I make $500 for every unit Good Guys sells. This is just too funny!
:)
What's funny about that? There are paid banner ads for Value Electronics, and this thread is about the pre-orders from them.
Show me a paid advertisement on TivoCommunity for Good Guys and I'll eat crow.
***********
I joined this forum just over 2 years ago. I remained active for about a year when I finally said enough of the petty bickering. I came back, found out the HD Tivo was being released and ordered one (not through VE). I'll disappear after the hype is over because this bickering just isn't worth it.
Too bad a couple people can ruin an otherwise entertaining and useful forum.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by dropper
What's the FCC ID?
It won't have one. Well, it might have a number relating to the modem that's included. That'll be done under Part 68 of FCC regulations. But the receiver itself really won't. It'll be tested to comply with FCC regulations, but it won't be registered and won't have an ID number.
It'll have a label like this:
http://www.fcc.gov/oet/fccid/fccdoc.gif
Which means, according to the FCC:
quote:
Equipment displaying this label would NOT be in this database. The FCC would NOT have any record of this equipment. It is declared to comply with FCC regulations by the manufacturer or importer.
It's just a declaration of conformity.
Posted by: joegolf68
quote:
Originally posted by Toeside
What's funny about that? There are paid banner ads for Value Electronics, and this thread is about the pre-orders from them.
Show me a paid advertisement on TivoCommunity for Good Guys and I'll eat crow.
***********
I joined this forum just over 2 years ago. I remained active for about a year when I finally said enough of the petty bickering. I came back, found out the HD Tivo was being released and ordered one (not through VE). I'll disappear after the hype is over because this bickering just isn't worth it.
Too bad a couple people can ruin an otherwise entertaining and useful forum.
And my signature says what??? You are too funny!
Posted by: JLWINE
quote:
Originally posted by herdfan
7S is going to the 119 slot.
http://www.sea-launch.com/current_launch.htm#profile
If that is true and it certainly looks like it is, then not only did DirecTv tell me exactly the opposite but it looks like I will be cutting down some more trees. :confused:
Posted by: joegolf68
quote:
Originally posted by Toeside
What's funny about that? There are paid banner ads for Value Electronics, and this thread is about the pre-orders from them.
Too bad a couple people can ruin an otherwise entertaining and useful forum.
This thread is about pre-orders and where to pre-order, not ab out pre-ordering from VE!!! I love it when people show they just don't get it! So please read again, look that I don't have a signature, and have another martini!!! Too funny when one gets on the internet when one can't read!
Posted by: Toeside
quote:
Originally posted by joegolf68
This thread is about pre-orders and where to pre-order, not ab out pre-ordering from VE!!! I love it when people show they just don't get it! So please read again, look that I don't have a signature, and have another martini!!! Too funny when one gets on the internet when one can't read!
If you don't have a signature, then do you type this each time you post?:
quote:
__________________
Call Good Guys now! 800 229-XXXX
Pardon me if I can't figure this out. I can't read.
Posted by: JLWINE
quote:
Originally posted by joegolf68
This thread is about pre-orders and where to pre-order, not ab out pre-ordering from VE!!! I love it when people show they just don't get it! So please read again, look that I don't have a signature, and have another martini!!! Too funny when one gets on the internet when one can't read!
Joe do you care at all that no one enjoys your argumentative posts. Please shhhh! Night Night.
Posted by: DTV TiVo Dealer
quote:
Originally posted by joegolf68
How funny, half of this thread is a paid advertisement for VE! I don't even have a signature!!!! lol
Yeah, I make $500 for every unit Good Guys sells. This is just too funny!
:)
Joe, the praise and criticism about me and my company is all editoral. No one puts my phone number in there tag line.
Your repeated tag line is advertising.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by JLWINE
Instead of saying added to the 110 orbit I should of said, will not be added to the 119 orbit as I was not certain where 7 was going only that it was not going in 119. Also, didn't I read a while back that DirecTv was going to reduce bandwidth for its broadband services to make room for HD locals. Wouldn't that be on 110 bird?
DirecTV 7S is going to 119°; it replaces DirecTV 5 which will move to 72.5°. DirecTV has a deal with Telesat Canada for access to a number of the transponders on DirecTV 5 at 72.5° (it's a Canadian DBS slot) that, subject to FCC approval, DirecTV will offer additional local market channels.
(The following info is from http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/LocalChannelsAction.do)
Specifically the plans are to offer locals in these markets from 72.5°:
Boise, ID
Burlington, VT Plattsburgh, NY
Cedar Rapids-Waterloo, IA
Champaign-Springfield-Decatur, IL
Chattanooga, TN
Columbia-Jefferson City, MO
Davenport, IA
Evansville, IN
Fort Smith, AR
Fort Wayne, IN
Lincoln-Hastings, NE
Sioux Falls, SD
Springfield, MO
Traverse City, MI
Johnson City, TN-Bristol, VA/TN-Kingsport, TN (Tri-Cities)
Waco-Temple-Bryan, TX
Johnstown-Altoona, PA
Since DirecTV 7S is a spot-beam satellite, it will be very efficient in the use of spot beams to deliver local channels to a number of markets. Some are currently being served from 101°, and these markets will eventually move entirely to 119°:
Buffalo, NY**
Des Moines, IA
Grand Rapids, MI
Green Bay, WI
Hartford, CT
Jackson, MS**
Jacksonville, FL
Knoxville, TN
Las Vegas, NV
Louisville, KY
New Orleans, LA
Norfolk, VA**
Oklahoma City, OK
Providence, RI
Richmond, VA
Roanoke, VA
Shreveport, LA
Tucson, AZ
Wilkes-Barre, PA
These markets will begin getting service for the first time from 119°:
Albany, NY**
Albuquerque, NM**
Bakersfield, CA
Baton Rouge, LA
Charleston, WV
Chico, CA**
Corpus Christi, TX
Dayton, OH
Duluth, MN**
El Paso, TX
Eugene, OR
Fargo-Valley City, ND
Flint-Saginaw, MI
Fresno, CA
Ft. Myers, FL
Harlingen, TX
Harrisburg, PA
Lafayette, LA
Lansing, MI
Lexington, KY
Little Rock, AR**
Madison, WI
Medford, OR**
Mobile, AL
Monterey, CA
Omaha, NE
Paducah, KY**
Portland, ME
Reno, NV**
Rochester, NY
Santa Barbara, CA
Savannah, GA
South Bend, IN
Spokane, WA
Springfield-Holyoke, MA
Tallahassee, FL**
Topeka, KS
Tulsa, OK
Tyler, TX
Wichita-Hutchinson, KS
Wilmington, NC
Yakima, WA
This frees up a considerable amount of bandwidth at 101° where it's speculated DirecTV will likely add HD channels, among other things.
There also may still be some national transponders at 119°, since it's not necessary to use them all as spot beams.
The local HD channel programming info you heard was with regard to SpaceWay, a new 3-satellite constellation that Hughes was planning as the next generation broadband-by-satellite service. In November, DirecTV revealed in an SEC filing that they were exploring using this for local HD market services in that potentially they could provide every single digital television station in the US using less than the total capacity of all 3 satellites. The SpaceWay satellites use steerable beams that can be directed to anywhere they want, and has a huge digital bandwidth capability. Think of it like real broadband/directional wi-fi from the sky. It uses the Ka-band so it's likely subject to more atmosphereic problems, but late 2nd quarter 2004 is the launch of the first SpaceWay satellite, and it will be then that DirecTV can start experimenting more with this possibility.
Posted by: Kamakzie
72.5?? Kind of a weird sat location. I am glad my locals are from 119!
Posted by: leesweet
Yeah, if you need the 'new' D* locals location, you'll need a new/additional dish. I've not seen any details on how all that will work or how it will hook together. Just when DirecTV gets it down to one dish for everything, now it goes back to more complexities for some folks (like Dish is/was).
Posted by: Kamakzie
I guess they couldn't make a Phase "4" Dish with 2 at 110, 119 and 72.5. That would be one goofy dish!
Posted by: leesweet
The 9 degree offset is doable with a parabolic dish (three dishes squashed together...). Don't even ask about one that could incorporate a 'view' at 37.5 to the side... :) Although, they may do some sort of combo mount with the whole thing in one physical package (a Phase III with a small 'side dish' for those lucky enough to have the sky clear from the same 'spot' where the 101/110/119 dish sits for the 72.5 beam.
But, there are a lot of people (and some have been right here!) that can't even get all three of those all the time. Poor people.... (seriously...).
And, you want all four sats, from what I can see at lyngsat. None of the current ones are solely locals.
Posted by: edrock200
quote:
Originally posted by joegolf68
This thread is about pre-orders and where to pre-order, not ab out pre-ordering from VE!!! I love it when people show they just don't get it! So please read again, look that I don't have a signature, and have another martini!!! Too funny when one gets on the internet when one can't read!
You're getting really pathetic now. It's obvious you have no argument so now you are using petty insults to push your invalid points. Sucks how you and KC can bring an otherwise great thread WAY down.
Not sure what you want to hear from people here, but whatever it is please assume I've said it and move on.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by leesweet
The 9 degree offset is doable with a parabolic dish (three dishes squashed together...). Don't even ask about one that could incorporate a 'view' at 37.5 to the side... :) Although, they may do some sort of combo mount with the whole thing in one physical package (a Phase III with a small 'side dish' for those lucky enough to have the sky clear from the same 'spot' where the 101/110/119 dish sits for the 72.5 beam.
But, there are a lot of people (and some have been right here!) that can't even get all three of those all the time. Poor people.... (seriously...).
Edit: And, you want all four sats, I believe, without checking. None of the current ones are solely locals.
101° has NFL CBS HD, NFL Fox HD, CBSE HD, CBSW HD, and almost all national SD programming content and about 7 transponders of local market channels that'll move to 119°)
110° has ESPN HD, Discovery HD, Showtime HD, HDNet Movies plus the Jade package of SD channels.
119° has NFL Fox HD, HDPPV, HDNet, HBO HD, BYU-TV, NASA, RFD-TV, ParaTodos channels, and a lot of local channels.
For most people in the 72.5° markets, not having 110° or 119° wouldn't be too big a deal -- except for those wanting HD.
Posted by: Kamakzie
Is there even a switch out there that could handle 4 satellites in?
Posted by: leesweet
Doug, I was speaking partially in the context of those in this thread, who, of course, want HD! :) And, I'd think D* wouldn't come out with some sort of mix and match solution, but one that did cover all the bases, as the Phase III did handle all the sats then up, so they wouldn't have so many variables to troubleshoot. Perhaps a P IV, as Kamakzie called it, with the 'extra' side antenna.
But you are right that for 'SD' people, 110 is pretty non-existent, and 119 the same, unless you want NASA or BYU.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by leesweet
Yeah, if you need the 'new' D* locals location, you'll need a new/additional dish. I've not seen any details on how all that will work or how it will hook together. Just when DirecTV gets it down to one dish for everything, now it goes back to more complexities for some folks (like Dish is/was).
I haven't seen specific on the transponders (either total number of or whcih specific ones) DirecTV wants to use at 72.5° but there's room for them to be combined into the 119° LNB feeds much like the 110° feeds are combined now.
Specifically there'd be room to combine 10 odd numbered transponders (1-19) into the odd numbered side of 119°. And there's room to combine 3 even numbered channels into the even side, and room for 1 more even numbered channel below where 110° is combined (DirecTV owns transponders 28/30/32 at 110° but uses a special LNB that down converts them into the frequencies that would normally carry transponders 10/12/14 from other LNBs; DirecTV owns transponders 22-32 at 119°). If the combiners are accurate enough to allow it, they could even squeeze 4 more; I was allowing at least three transponders worth of spectrum instead of just one for the transition between sources.
And the reason to do it like this would be to avoid having to create new multiswitches and to allow the current PLUS receiver designs to function, possibly not even with a software change; it would depend on how flexible they made the system, I guess.
Posted by: leesweet
The multiswitches really only 'know' about sats A and B (and the Left and Right 'sides' of them); that's why taking the four outputs of a Phase III to another multiswitch works. Sat C is 'faked' into one of them internally; I never remember which.
I assume they could do the same with 'sat D' :) . It's also been said at AVS that the STB's can handle more than three LNB's, so that's not an issue. I don't think it's a problem. If it were, D* wouldn't be talking about moving 119 to 72.5; they would have all sorts of issues with people who (for example) want locals but then can't get Jade or NASA or BYU or HD or whatever. Ugh.
Edit: Doug beat me to it, again...
Posted by: SteveHoltam
KCWolfPck - You have a sound meter, but not a digital camera? I find that unlikely. Just borrow a camera for five minutes and put up or shut up.
joegolf68 - are you trolling on purpose? Your sig is an ad. You seem level headed enough, why not play nice...
Steve
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
Is there even a switch out there that could handle 4 satellites in?
The standard DirecTV uses to control multiswitches (DiSEqC 2.0) can in theory select from quite a few sources, depending on how they choose to use the 8 bits available to control the source. In theory it can support addressing 128 different LNB sources, each with a separate H/V (clockwise/counterclockwise) feed.
Here's info on DiSEqC 2.0: http://www.eutelsat.com/satellites/4_5_5.html
Are multiswitches with more inputs currently readily available? Never seen one with more than 4. So that'd be something needing to be manufactured to do this, if they were to go the route of requiring another set of connections from the 72.5° LNB. But if they combine it with 119° like I mentioned in my last post here, they wouldn't need a new multiswitch at all; just a possibly-unique LNB (if they need to shift frequencies differently) and a combiner designed to pass the appropriate frequency blocks from each input.
Posted by: JLWINE
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
DirecTV 7S is going to 119°; it replaces DirecTV 5 which will move to 72.5°. DirecTV has a deal with Telesat Canada for access to a number of the transponders on DirecTV 5 at 72.5° (it's a Canadian DBS slot) that, subject to FCC approval, DirecTV will offer additional local market channels.
(The following info is from http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/LocalChannelsAction.do)
Specifically the plans are to offer locals in these markets from 72.5°:
Boise, ID
Burlington, VT Plattsburgh, NY
Cedar Rapids-Waterloo, IA
Champaign-Springfield-Decatur, IL
Chattanooga, TN
Columbia-Jefferson City, MO
Davenport, IA
Evansville, IN
Fort Smith, AR
Fort Wayne, IN
Lincoln-Hastings, NE
Sioux Falls, SD
Springfield, MO
Traverse City, MI
Johnson City, TN-Bristol, VA/TN-Kingsport, TN (Tri-Cities)
Waco-Temple-Bryan, TX
Johnstown-Altoona, PA
Since DirecTV 7S is a spot-beam satellite, it will be very efficient in the use of spot beams to deliver local channels to a number of markets. Some are currently being served from 101°, and these markets will eventually move entirely to 119°:
Buffalo, NY**
Des Moines, IA
Grand Rapids, MI
Green Bay, WI
Hartford, CT
Jackson, MS**
Jacksonville, FL
Knoxville, TN
Las Vegas, NV
Louisville, KY
New Orleans, LA
Norfolk, VA**
Oklahoma City, OK
Providence, RI
Richmond, VA
Roanoke, VA
Shreveport, LA
Tucson, AZ
Wilkes-Barre, PA
These markets will begin getting service for the first time from 119°:
Albany, NY**
Albuquerque, NM**
Bakersfield, CA
Baton Rouge, LA
Charleston, WV
Chico, CA**
Corpus Christi, TX
Dayton, OH
Duluth, MN**
El Paso, TX
Eugene, OR
Fargo-Valley City, ND
Flint-Saginaw, MI
Fresno, CA
Ft. Myers, FL
Harlingen, TX
Harrisburg, PA
Lafayette, LA
Lansing, MI
Lexington, KY
Little Rock, AR**
Madison, WI
Medford, OR**
Mobile, AL
Monterey, CA
Omaha, NE
Paducah, KY**
Portland, ME
Reno, NV**
Rochester, NY
Santa Barbara, CA
Savannah, GA
South Bend, IN
Spokane, WA
Springfield-Holyoke, MA
Tallahassee, FL**
Topeka, KS
Tulsa, OK
Tyler, TX
Wichita-Hutchinson, KS
Wilmington, NC
Yakima, WA
This frees up a considerable amount of bandwidth at 101° where it's speculated DirecTV will likely add HD channels, among other things.
There also may still be some national transponders at 119°, since it's not necessary to use them all as spot beams.
The local HD channel programming info you heard was with regard to SpaceWay, a new 3-satellite constellation that Hughes was planning as the next generation broadband-by-satellite service. In November, DirecTV revealed in an SEC filing that they were exploring using this for local HD market services in that potentially they could provide every single digital television station in the US using less than the total capacity of all 3 satellites. The SpaceWay satellites use steerable beams that can be directed to anywhere they want, and has a huge digital bandwidth capability. Think of it like real broadband/directional wi-fi from the sky. It uses the Ka-band so it's likely subject to more atmosphereic problems, but late 2nd quarter 2004 is the launch of the first SpaceWay satellite, and it will be then that DirecTV can start experimenting more with this possibility.
Thanks for the great info as ususal Doug.
Posted by: bdlucas
Regarding certain disruptive participants in this thread: please don't feed the trolls. It only makes them noiser, and the sound of feeding trolls is rather disagreeable to onlookers.
Posted by: dswallow
There's several neat things about SpaceWay.
For one, the first SpaceWay satellite is going at 99°. This means it's likely if we see DirecTV use SpaceWay for HD locals, there's good chance a single dish solution will be utilized, replacing the Phase III dish.
Second, is the bandwidth these things can handle. They can accept uplinks from multiple locations destined for downlinks at multiple locations; everything pure data that can be directed to the electronically steerable transmitters on board. 10 GBps of bandwidth per satellite is available, and that bandwidth can be divided up and directed to any subset of the US footprint of the satellite.
The info on the satellite is here: http://www.boeing.com/defense-space...y/spaceway.html
We're assuming "10GBps" is really meant to be "10Gbps" as in bits per second...
The full bandwidth of an ATSC terrestrial broadcast channel is 19.2Mbps. Each SpaceWay satellite is then capable of carrying the full ATSC bandwidth for 520 broadcast stations. When you figure not every station utilizes the full 19.2Mbps bandwidth, there's room to squeeze more channels in there, too.
There'll be 3 SpaceWay satellites; so you have at least 1,560 ATSC broadcast stations that could be carried -- and that is everything the broadcast stations send out, including all their subchannels, if any. Totally unmodified in any manner (i.e.; no recompression).
One of the current problems with the spot beam satellites is the need for geographical disparate uplink locations. Just as there's limited downlink bandwidth to use, there's also limited uplink bandwidth; and what comes down has to have gone up somehow. That's why DirecTV has been building more uplink centers; they're needed to take advantage of the spot beam satellites.
With SpaceWay, they literally could uplink every local station directly from the local station itself and have no need for centralized uplink centers at all.
It's a really neat technological jump to consider using this sort of system to deliver television programming.
Posted by: jim_arrows
quote:
Originally posted by bdlucas
Regarding certain disruptive participants in this thread: please don't feed the trolls. It only makes them noiser, and the sound of feeding trolls is rather disagreeable to onlookers.
I agree; as with any disruptive child that acts out to get attention, if you ignore them long enough they'll get tired and give up when the reaction they hoped to elicit fails to materialize. There's always a few in every crowd... sad.
Posted by: JaguarCRO
Anyone find any choice bits from the manual they wanted to discuss?
on page 90 of the pdf
Limit the results of any program search (such as Search by Title) using the category
Audio & Video, and the sub-category HDTV.
So I take from this that you can't search for something like Sports with a sub category of Soccer and then say HDTV only? (as you can only specify one sub-category) Is this assumption correct? Personally I would prefer something like a filter with the search so that both can be indicated.
Randy Overbeck
Posted by: btwyx
quote:
Originally posted by JaguarCRO
So I take from this that you can't search for something like Sports with a sub category of Soccer and then say HDTV only? (as you can only specify one sub-category) Is this assumption correct? Personally I would prefer something like a filter with the search so that both can be indicated.
That's the way I see it. Hopefully, I'll know for sure very soon.
Posted by: JaguarCRO
From page 98 of the pdf
Review/cancel purchases. The pay per view screen includes this option if you have
already purchased a program. Selecting Review/cancel purchases displays the
Purchases screen, where you can cancel any purchases you have not yet watched or
recorded.
-------
I don't know if this is new as I have only ever purchased one pay-per-view movie from DirectTV but it seemed very interesting that it will allow you to cancel a purchase before it has been watched (meaning of course that it already recorded it to the drive.)
Anyone have more experience with pay-per-views that can confirm this is the case with the series 2 DirectTivo's as well.
Randy Overbeck
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by JaguarCRO
I don't know if this is new as I have only ever purchased one pay-per-view movie from DirectTV but it seemed very interesting that it will allow you to cancel a purchase before it has been watched (meaning of course that it already recorded it to the drive.)
Anyone have more experience with pay-per-views that can confirm this is the case with the series 2 DirectTivo's as well.
I haven't bought a PPV in a long time, but I'm pretty sure that's a common feature among all DirecTV receivers for all time. I think you can still even cancel within the free preview time period of a show, too... the first few minutes.
Posted by: dandrewk
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
There's several neat things about SpaceWay.
...
So Doug, when are these Spaceways due to go online? I want my locals on HD via D* NOW!
Posted by: tbirdman
quote:
Originally posted by JaguarCRO
From page 98 of the pdf
Review/cancel purchases. The pay per view screen includes this option if you have
already purchased a program. Selecting Review/cancel purchases displays the
Purchases screen, where you can cancel any purchases you have not yet watched or
recorded.
-------
I don't know if this is new as I have only ever purchased one pay-per-view movie from DirectTV but it seemed very interesting that it will allow you to cancel a purchase before it has been watched (meaning of course that it already recorded it to the drive.)
Anyone have more experience with pay-per-views that can confirm this is the case with the series 2 DirectTivo's as well.
Randy Overbeck
No freebies. What this is saying because of the TIVO DVR function, you can actually order a pay for view, record it, and then watch it later or not watch it at all(if you want to waste your money). So if you eiter watch it or record it, no cancelling.
Posted by: Bryan Lyle
So, for folks who have "moved" and can now receive the local channels, how close to the market do you have to be with the spot beam?
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by Bryan Lyle
So, for folks who have "moved" and can now receive the local channels, how close to the market do you have to be with the spot beam?
That'll vary depending on the spot beam used.
Here's an example for DirecTV's 101° spot beams (from http://www.scottandmichelle.net/scott/dtv.html):
http://www.scottandmichelle.net/scott/spots1.png
Posted by: bdlucas
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
For one, the first SpaceWay satellite is going at 99°. This means it's likely if we see DirecTV use SpaceWay for HD locals, there's good chance a single dish solution will be utilized, replacing the Phase III dish.
Do you mean you think a single dish could be built that would receive both 99° and 101°? I would have guessed they would be too close, given the physical size of the LNBs and especially given the pointing accuracy that would be necessary to resolve the two.
Posted by: Kamakzie
What is the spotbeam on 101 TP 4? I pick that up but only in the 30-40 percent range?
Posted by: TiVoChief
Hello all. As you can tell I am new here. Forgive me if this has been answered, but you can't possibly expect anyone to read this entire thread.
My question is, where should I pre-order the HD TiVo to get it as soon as possible?
Thank you in advance for any suggestions.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by bdlucas
Do you mean you think a single dish could be built that would receive both 99° and 101°? I would have guessed they would be too close, given the physical size of the LNBs and especially given the pointing accuracy that would be necessary to resolve the two.
3° spacing is readily doable now with existing separate LNB's. It isn't hard to imagine an LNB assembly could be built to do this at 2° spacing, especially considering how they're already stacking LNB's since most every DBS LNB right now is really two independent LNB's, one for each polarization, in a single package.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by TiVoChief
Hello all. As you can tell I am new here. Forgive me if this has been answered, but you can't possibly expect anyone to read this entire thread.
My question is, where should I pre-order the HD TiVo to get it as soon as possible?
Thank you in advance for any suggestions.
There's no easy answer to that as it's pure speculation at this point how shipments will be allocated to those retailers who have placed orders. Most of the retailers we know already have relatively long waiting lists. It might be a good idea for you to consider placing an order somewhere that will give you a refund if you can find it elsewhere sooner; at least you'll get into the queue, and then you can search around once units begin shipping and perhaps can get lucky finding one that's not already pre-sold sitting on someone's shelf.
Value Electronics was offering up to $100 discount (matching your deposit amount) on pre-orders. DirecTV has issued an edict stopping any discounting from the $999 price as of today; you might still be able to catch that deal today though, and they do offer a refund if you can get the unit sooner somewhere else.
http://www.valueelectronics.com/avsTC.htm
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
What is the spotbeam on 101 TP 4? I pick that up but only in the 30-40 percent range?
According to the diagram that looks like Cheyenne/Denver/Santa Fe, as the beam seems to have it's edge around some midwestern/western states, so in Missouri you'd probably still see some signal, but maybe not enough to do much with.
Posted by: k2ue
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
3° spacing is readily doable now with existing separate LNB's. It isn't hard to imagine an LNB assembly could be built to do this at 2° spacing, especially considering how they're already stacking LNB's since most every DBS LNB right now is really two independent LNB's, one for each polarization, in a single package.
It's not so much the LNB as the minimum expected dish size -- the response from the adjacent satellite has be down far enough to satisfy the minimum CNR for low enough BER (bit error rate) -- the adjacent satellite becomes part of the noise floor in this case. You can pretty much scale spacing with dish diameter -- if you wanted 2 deg rather than 3 deg spacing you'd need a min dish size about 3/2 larger, or about 27" least dimension. A parabolic or spherical dish has a fundamental minimum beamwidth that is proportional to wavelength/diameter -- attainable beamwidth drops with increasing size, allowing closer satellite spacing.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by k2ue
It's not so much the LNB as the minimum expected dish size -- the response from the adjacent satellite has be down far enough to satisfy the minimum CNR for low enough BER (bit error rate) -- the adjacent satellite becomes part of the noise floor in this case. You can pretty much scale spacing with dish diameter -- if you wanted 2 deg rather than 3 deg spacing you'd need a min dish size about 3/2 larger, or about 27" least dimension. A parabolic or spherical dish has a fundamental minimum beamwidth that is proportional to wavelength/diameter -- attainable beamwidth drops with increasing size, allowing closer satellite spacing.
Remember we're on different frequencies. SpaceWay is Ka-band. It would only matter what other Ka-band satellites were in the vicinity. And there won't be any as that'd be just as regulated as spacing is for the DBS frequencies.
Posted by: Kamakzie
Actually Michigan... :)
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
According to the diagram that looks like Cheyenne/Denver/Santa Fe, as the beam seems to have it's edge around some midwestern/western states, so in Missouri you'd probably still see some signal, but maybe not enough to do much with.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
Actually Michigan... :)
Well, Missouri'd probably see some signal too. ;)
Posted by: k2ue
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Remember we're on different frequencies. SpaceWay is Ka-band. It would only matter what other Ka-band satellites were in the vicinity. And there won't be any as that'd be just as regulated as spacing is for the DBS frequencies.
Yes, sorry, I didn't register they were in a different band -- are the transponders arranged to that a simple LNB LO change could make them appear the same as our gear expects when converted to 950-1450MHz?
Posted by: TiVoChief
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
There's no easy answer to that as it's pure speculation at this point how shipments will be allocated to those retailers who have placed orders. Most of the retailers we know already have relatively long waiting lists. It might be a good idea for you to consider placing an order somewhere that will give you a refund if you can find it elsewhere sooner; at least you'll get into the queue, and then you can search around once units begin shipping and perhaps can get lucky finding one that's not already pre-sold sitting on someone's shelf.
Value Electronics was offering up to $100 discount (matching your deposit amount) on pre-orders. DirecTV has issued an edict stopping any discounting from the $999 price as of today; you might still be able to catch that deal today though, and they do offer a refund if you can get the unit sooner somewhere else.
Thank you for the link Doug. Is this the only place taking pre-orders? The web-site looks kind of amature, not sure if that's a place I want to do business with. Is Value Electronics well known? Reliable? I've never heard of them before.
Posted by: PJO1966
Value Electronics (Robert) is a sponsor of this forum and has contributed to this thread as well as many others. Do a search for DTV TiVo Dealer to see for yourself. They may be a small business but they are reputable. I've done business with them as have many of my friends. Nobody has come away unhappy.
Posted by: Grag
I preorderd mine from VE on 4-01. I'm trying to sell my HD100 on Ebay. Sure is a lot of HD receivers showing up on Ebay here lately. :)
Posted by: ebonovic
quote:
Originally posted by TiVoChief
Thank you for the link Doug. Is this the only place taking pre-orders? The web-site looks kind of amature, not sure if that's a place I want to do business with. Is Value Electronics well known? Reliable? I've never heard of them before.
Value Electronics is a very well recognized and supported seller here at TivoCommunity and AVSForums.
I purchased my first HD reciever from them back in August. They where the lowest overall price (when you calculate in the extra's they included).
Granted, he website is not up to par with some of the other sites. But it does what it needs to do.
And Over $300 preorders for a $1k item, should say a little for their reliability.
VE doesn't over advertise, mostly here on the forums.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by k2ue
Yes, sorry, I didn't register they were in a different band -- are the transponders arranged to that a simple LNB LO change could make them appear the same as our gear expects when converted to 950-1450MHz?
The only info I could find relative to this is mention elsewhere (not SpaceWay related) of Ka-band downlink frequencies of 18.6-18.8GHz and 19.7-20.2GHz. The latter being the same spread of frequencies as DBS/Ku band operating frequencies, so it seems likely a receiver could be clueless the signal is Ka-band instead of DBS/Ku-band.
Posted by: elstonhill
quote:
Originally posted by TiVoChief
Hello all. As you can tell I am new here. Forgive me if this has been answered, but you can't possibly expect anyone to read this entire thread.
My question is, where should I pre-order the HD TiVo to get it as soon as possible?
Thank you in advance for any suggestions.
If you check out the first few pages of this thread you will discover Value Electronics has many satisfied customers.
It appears that Value Electronis has more pre-orders than any other retailer.
Finally, if you buy with a credit card, your credit card company is always there to insure that you do not get ripped off.
Posted by: sotapoppy
I wonder if a certain someone recently opened a new membership in this forum. :rolleyes:
Posted by: Grag
Wow, just sold my HD100 for $500. Surprised they are still bring such a price. That is what I paid for it 1 1/2 years ago. That doesn't happen very often.
Posted by: k2ue
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
The only info I could find relative to this is mention elsewhere (not SpaceWay related) of Ka-band downlink frequencies of 18.6-18.8GHz and 19.7-20.2GHz. The latter being the same spread of frequencies as DBS/Ku band operating frequencies, so it seems likely a receiver could be clueless the signal is Ka-band instead of DBS/Ku-band.
Not exactly -- a satellite receiver expects the band to be broken up into transponders, which are what it actually receives, one data steam carying several "channels" with a total BW that will just fit thru one transponder (usually about 30MHz). DirecTV would have had a transponder tuning spec on their boxes: the least common denominator tuning increment (or number of tuning plans) they can handle with one firmware load. If another satellite can emulate something they can do, then bingo, more channels, easy. If not it's one of those "change out everyone's boxes" deals.
Posted by: gages97
just placed my order with VE, they are still offering the $100 discount. Told me my order would ship in May.
Posted by: PJO1966
quote:
Originally posted by Grag
Wow, just sold my HD100 for $500. Surprised they are still bring such a price. That is what I paid for it 1 1/2 years ago. That doesn't happen very often.
That's great! You just cut the cost of your HD Tivo in half! I'm still grateful my HDS20 sold for $300. I paid $420 for it a couple of years ago.
Posted by: Grag
The question now is can I live without my HD until I can get my hands on my HD Tivo? Oh no, I just remembered The Masters next week!
Posted by: tommylotto
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Value Electronics was offering up to $100 discount (matching your deposit amount) on pre-orders. DirecTV has issued an edict stopping any discounting from the $999 price as of today; you might still be able to catch that deal today though, and they do offer a refund if you can get the unit sooner somewhere else.
http://www.valueelectronics.com/avsTC.htm
USE WIZZO BUTTER AND GO TO HEAVEN !!!
Posted by: Craig540
quote:
Originally posted by Grag
Wow, just sold my HD100 for $500. Surprised they are still bring such a price. That is what I paid for it 1 1/2 years ago. That doesn't happen very often.
Can you believe that.
I got $600.
And paid $300 almost 2 years ago.
Posted by: sushifishman
Just put mine on ebay.
BTW, do DSWALLOW or KAMAKZIE ever leave the house?
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by sushifishman
Just put mine on ebay.
BTW, do DSWALLOW or KAMAKZIE ever leave the house?
I do leave the house; but it's rare I'm ever anywhere without internet access for morethan an hour or two. ;)
And technically I'm never anywhere without internet access since my cell phone supports it. But I fully plan to continue resisting visiting this forum from it.
Posted by: TiVoChief
quote:
Originally posted by gages97
just placed my order with VE, they are still offering the $100 discount. Told me my order would ship in May.
First, thank you all for the responses regarding Value Electronics.
Regarding the above post. While a $100 discount would be nice, not shipping until May though? I guess I am a little behind the power curve. There's nobody getting them before May?
Posted by: PJO1966
200 of us are getting them next week, but we ordered in January.
Posted by: joegolf68
quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Joe, the praise and criticism about me and my company is all editoral. No one puts my phone number in there tag line.
Your repeated tag line is advertising.
Robert, et. al. I apologize. When I have a few I get carried away. Yes, this is sincere.
That said, does a phone number show when I post? It is not showing on my screen, no kidding. The last time I gave the phone number, I think, was last Saturday, a week ago. If something is still showing, let me know how to get rid of it. Feel free to even show this to a moderator and have them delete any phone number. I am serious about both the apology and the phone number, nothing is showing and I will also go to the control panel and see if there is something I am missing. I am not trying to get anyone to go to GG. That was a one time phone action just to get GG off the dime.
My apologies, sincerely.
Joe
Posted by: PJO1966
Joe...
This is what we see...
quote:
Originally posted by joegolf68
Robert, et. al. I apologize. When I have a few I get carried away. Yes, this is sincere.
That said, does a phone number show when I post? It is not showing on my screen, no kidding. The last time I gave the phone number, I think, was last Saturday, a week ago. If something is still showing, let me know how to get rid of it. Feel free to even show this to a moderator and have them delete any phone number. I am serious about both the apology and the phone number, nothing is showing and I will also go to the control panel and see if there is something I am missing. I am not trying to get anyone to go to GG. That was a one time phone action just to get GG off the dime.
My apologies, sincerely.
Joe
__________________
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maybe if you log off and look at your posts you'll see what we see. :confused:
Posted by: JohnA
WOW! Hope I do as well when my HD-100 goes on sale. But waiting till the Tivo is in hand.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by joegolf68
If something is still showing, let me know how to get rid of it. Feel free to even show this to a moderator and have them delete any phone number.
It's configured as part of your signature. You can change it by going to User CP / Edit Profile / Signature. The change will affect all your postings in the forum... your current signature is displayed with each of your postings unless you specifically disabled it for a particular post.
Posted by: JohnA
Joe, How could you not be seeing this when we all do??
"Robert, et. al. I apologize. When I have a few I get carried away. Yes, this is sincere.
That said, does a phone number show when I post? It is not showing on my screen, no kidding. The last time I gave the phone number, I think, was last Saturday, a week ago. If something is still showing, let me know how to get rid of it. Feel free to even show this to a moderator and have them delete any phone number. I am serious about both the apology and the phone number, nothing is showing and I will also go to the control panel and see if there is something I am missing. I am not trying to get anyone to go to GG. That was a one time phone action just to get GG off the dime.
My apologies, sincerely.
Joe
__________________
Call Good Guys now! 800 229-4897"
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by JohnA
Joe, How could you not be seeing this when we all do??
Under User CP / Edit Options is a yes/no selection for "Show user's signatures in their posts?". He probably has turned them off.
Posted by: JohnA
Doug, But doesn't that mean it won't show to everyone??
Posted by: joegolf68
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JohnA
[B]Joe, How could you not be seeing this when we all do??
I just went to my control panel. I DID have that in the signature line. I intended to have it there only last Saturday (a week ago) and even forgot about it. I somehow turned off showing any signatures when I put in my avatar thing. I just changed it back where I show everyone's avatars and signatures now. You were all right and had reason to not be happy about that and the methods used when I got angry.
As said, I apologize and it is sincere. I removed the signature, which I didn't even know was there!!! I can't say much more than that, I was wrong.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by JohnA
Doug, But doesn't that mean it won't show to everyone??
No that one and the other related ones are selections on how you will see the postings; not how others will see them.
They're in the "Thread View Options" section. You can also control whether user avatars are displayed when you view posts, and whether inline images are displayed or if just a link is provided to them, along with number of posts/page and maximum age of threads to show at all.
Posted by: JohnA
Joe,
I think you are sincere, expect Robert will also.
Posted by: sonnyducks
quote:
Originally posted by TiVoChief
Thank you for the link Doug. Is this the only place taking pre-orders? The web-site looks kind of amature, not sure if that's a place I want to do business with. Is Value Electronics well known? Reliable? I've never heard of them before.
Tweeter, Ultimate Electronics, and Good Guys are also taking pre-orders.
Out of the 3, it really isn't known who will get them first. Both UE and Tweeter are expected to get units toward the end of the month and I think it has been reported that GG is expected to get some in as early as this week or next.
Posted by: Kamakzie
I am a bit of a home body so I am always on-line or at least usually. I was away from the computer for around 6 hours Friday and I was going through withdrawals. :D
quote:
Originally posted by sushifishman
Just put mine on ebay.
BTW, do DSWALLOW or KAMAKZIE ever leave the house?
Posted by: joegolf68
quote:
Originally posted by JohnA
Joe,
I think you are sincere, expect Robert will also.
Thank you. I am!
Joe
Posted by: JLWINE
quote:
Originally posted by joegolf68
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JohnA
[B]
As said, I apologize and it is sincere. I removed the signature, which I didn't even know was there!!! I can't say much more than that, I was wrong.
Joe welcome back to the community. Just remember in the future friends don't let friends drink and post. :)
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