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Posted by: jb007

quote:
Originally posted by scottchez
Source: Check out the press release due out Monday.

The dates will be updated.

Checkout the breaking news threads in the Reg Direct Tivo area.

Things are happening.

Scott, I checked out the *Breaking News* threads. I even read your posts. Seems like a lot of *speculation* about something D* is to announce on Monday that may affect EchoStar.

Nowhere do I see anything about a delay in shipment.

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by jb007
Scott, I checked out the *Breaking News* threads. I even read your posts. Seems like a lot of *speculation* about something D* is to announce on Monday that may affect EchoStar.

Nowhere do I see anything about a delay in shipment.

The impression I got was he was speculating the DirecTV HD DVR would come out earlier.

Posted by: Kamakzie

I could live with that!!! :D :up:

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
The impression I got was he was speculating the DirecTV HD DVR would come out earlier.

Posted by: jb007

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
The impression I got was he was speculating the DirecTV HD DVR would come out earlier.

Doug, maybe you're right [I hope so :)], but this was the post to which I was making reference:

quote:
Originally posted by scottchez
Why are other online dealers like Expersatelite NOT matching or even offering a Pre-Order.

Do they know something the others dont, like something about the Turner guide bug that may delay shipment by an additional Month?

When dr_mal asked for a source, the reply was to checkout the the breaking news thread.

Posted by: dr_mal

quote:
Originally posted by scottchez
Source: Check out the press release due out Monday.

The dates will be updated.

Checkout the breaking news threads in the Reg Direct Tivo area.

Things are happening.

Checked there, nothing (actually, nothing anywhere) about big bugs that are preventing the HD DirecTiVo from shipping. You're not confusing it with the Dish 921 which, last I checked, wasn't able to get guide data for any OTA channels, are you?

Posted by: Hootydog

Didn't offer any discount even when pressed. Said they wouldn't match internet prices either. I went ahead and put a deposit down since it sounded like I'd get part of the first shipment. $1.082.49 inc. tax.

Came back home and checked with Value Electronics. Maybe I won't get it as soon as I might have from GG but for $167.59 cheaper, I'll wait a week or two if I have to. $914.99 inc. shipping.

Now comes the waiting....

:(

Posted by: MCodanti

Did GG let you cancel your order? The receipt says "All sales final", etc, etc.. Because it is a special order.

Posted by: SteveHoltam

I asked my G.G. sales person if I could cancel my order before the arrival date if I found the unit somewhere else sooner and he said that would be fine. I asked about the "All Sales Final" part, and he said this is to keep people from "renting" special order items for 90 days and then returning them. He said as long as I cancel before it arrives I would be fine. He was very confident that G.G. would have them before Circuit City or Best Buy, not sure why though.

Steve

Posted by: MikeSRC

Here's the "Breaking News" I just received. Nothing to do with HD Tivo though.

http://www.twice.com/index.asp?layo...ay=breakingNews

Nothing good about this news either:

http://www.twice.com/index.asp?layo...ay=breakingNews

Posted by: Shark73

Mike,

Both of those articles are a couple days old.

Posted by: MikeSRC

Doh! They were just sent to me so I didn't see the dates. Hopefully, there'll be better news today.

Posted by: mdsteven

Is this the news you were talking about?

2:42 (Dow Jones) DirecTV's 7S satellite launch might be delayed, says Lehman
analyst Vijay Jayant. A similar satellite, DirecTV's Telstar 14, launched a
few weeks ago but had a problem with its solar panels. Hughes Electronics'
(HS) DirecTV will probably wait until the cause of the anomaly is determined
before launching another satellite. The 7S satellite expands DirecTV's local
programming capability. A delay could have a near-term impact on subscriber
growth, but doesn't change the company's long-term outlook, Jayant says. HS up
0.9% to $16.89. (EGS)

Posted by: Hootydog

quote:
Originally posted by MCodanti
Did GG let you cancel your order? The receipt says "All sales final", etc, etc.. Because it is a special order.

Yes, cancelled it today. No questions asked.
Chappy

Posted by: RMSko

Does Value Electronics offer an extended warranty on the HD TiVo?

Posted by: LarryInAz

quote:
Originally posted by RMSko
Does Value Electronics offer an extended warranty on the HD TiVo?

I don't think VE offers the extended warranty on the TiVo based D* receivers HOWEVER most credit card companies add an extra year to the factory warranty.

Posted by: MichaelK

you DONT need an extended warrenty on a directv box.

You can buy their protection plan for a fee every month and it will cover all your boxes, and your wiring and your dish, and your multiswitch.

-OR-

you can wait till a box dies and then start paying the monthly fee and get your boxed fixed in 30 days.

-or- my personal favorite

wait till the box dies, call directv and ask for help, they will offer to let you pay for a year in advance of their "insurance" (which is discounted from the monthly rate and plenty cheaper than most extended warrenties) and they will take care of you right away. (the fact that they have such a deal is just proof that these plans are all a rip off.)

In general I think extended warrenties are silly investments from a financial point of view- the mere fact that they are so so profitable for the retailers tells me that at a minimum they are overcharging for them if not out right playing on our fears to rip us off. But i must admit for some things I myself purchase the peace of mind that you get for your buck. I just dont think there is any sense to it though when D* has better choices. You can get better peace of mind =the D* plan covers EVERYTHING. And or you can get cheaper peace of mind = pay after the box breaks. If after the box breaks you pay for the year to get service immmediately its cheaper then the extended warrenty, if you can wait the 30 days and only pay for a month its literally chump change- and the reality is that if you are the most unlucky person in the world your chance of needing it has to be way lower than 1 in 10.

Just my 2 cents.

Posted by: feldon23

Certainly your opinion to have, but TiVos are more fragile than most consumer electronics devices. Hard drives are getting to have shorter and shorter lives these days and the electronics in the DTiVos are from the lowest bidder.

Posted by: bertschb

Are you really seeing shorter lives in hard drives? Man, compared to the 80's and 90's the hard drives I see now are way better. Maybe I'm just lucky.

BTW, I noticed my Discover bill was charged for the $100 deposit today for my pre-order at VE.

Posted by: Robert L

I placed a pre-order at VE on Jan. 26 from the website. I was wondering if most got a email confirming the order. I never did, and wrote a email a about 2 days ago asking about it, and no reply to that either.

I haven't checked to see if my card has been charged though, but just wondering about the email, since the order page said they would send one.

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by Robert L
I placed a pre-order at VE on Jan. 26 from the website. I was wondering if most got a email confirming the order. I never did, and wrote a email a about 2 days ago asking about it, and no reply to that either.

I haven't checked to see if my card has been charged though, but just wondering about the email, since the order page said they would send one.

I got an automated email immediately after placing the order online.

Any chance you might have some sort of anti-spam filter involved in your email that has blocked it?

You could just call VE on the phone and check up on on the order to be sure.

Posted by: DTV TiVo Dealer

We are blocked by AOL. Anyone who did not get a emailed receipt can contact us for a copy.

Posted by: jrock

I have a very small business and I noticed starting a few weeks ago no one from AOL has been able to get my emails. I never sent spam or anything to them. It's like they have blocked everything except there approved list of domains or something. I have even asked my customers to check there spam filters and what not. This is very annoying.

-Joe

Posted by: dave3

Aol blocks entire servers, not just individual adresses. so if someone else who is hosted by your same server is spamming, you get on the spam list as well. You got to email aol's spam department to get off thier list.

dave

Posted by: Kamakzie

Yeah my order confirmation was also immediate.

Posted by: BillF

Funny, I ordered mine from VE on the 17th and received an order confirmation immediately via AOL.

Posted by: MichaelK

quote:
Originally posted by feldon23
Certainly your opinion to have, but TiVos are more fragile than most consumer electronics devices. Hard drives are getting to have shorter and shorter lives these days and the electronics in the DTiVos are from the lowest bidder.

Although i have plunked down fat cash for the extended warrenty for my 50" LCD projection HDTV I figure i'll risk it on the tivo. Even if the drive dies i already see 200gb ones for $99 so in a month or 2, 250gb will probably be about the same. And i'll take a gamble on the rest of the guts. (thats just my take in this particular example)

Dont get me wrong i bought the extended warrenty on a $200 digital camera (i killed 2 already both less than a year old) so i wouldnt judge anyone who 'wastes' their money on an extended warrenty since i'm guilty plenty myself.

My basic point here is that the Directv insurace is a much cheaper and/or more comprehensive deal. So in this particular case if i were to want to pony up for an extended warrenty i would buy the D* version.

If you think you must have a third party one, there are places on the internet where you can buy extended warrenty's for cameras, video cameras, computers, and tv's. Never saw one for a dvr but i never looked either. As a matter of fact i found a cheaper one on the web for my tv and used it to get the manager at teh circuit city to knock %15 of their version even though the circuit city one is a better plan.

let me rephrase my point- shop around, you have choices, so if value electronics is 100 or $150 bucks cheaper than your alternatives dont kabosh the deal just because of an extended warrenty.

mike

Posted by: jb007

quote:
Originally posted by MichaelK
you DONT need an extended warrenty on a directv box.

you can wait till a box dies and then start paying the monthly fee and get your boxed fixed in 30 days.

-or- my personal favorite

wait till the box dies, call directv and ask for help, they will offer to let you pay for a year in advance of their "insurance" (which is discounted from the monthly rate and plenty cheaper than most extended warrenties) and they will take care of you right away. (the fact that they have such a deal is just proof that these plans are all a rip off.)

Just my 2 cents.

Perhaps, (and I'm not intending to be judgmental, honestly) but aren't these methods dishonest? Isn't this type of conduct what causes D* in part to raise rates and prices of equipment?

Just my food for thought :eek:

Posted by: Robert L

Well, I don't use AOL, and I'm not having problems with my incoming email, that I'm aware of.

I guess it is possible for some reason it got caught as junk mail, but that would be unusual. I never got a reply when I email VE directly either, so guess I'll have to call.

Posted by: Robert L

I just call and they have the order, but said they never send email confirmation unless the item has been shipped.

Whatever, but thats not what the website said or what you guys are saying either, lol.

Posted by: gss14

Robert,

Do you have an updated # of people who've pre-ordered? I assume it's MUCH higher than the original limit of 350. Along those lines, do you also have an updated # of boxes you will be receiving in the first week or so of shipments?

Thanks.

Posted by: hdlexx

So TiVoHD will definitely not support HD through cable?

Posted by: PJO1966

That is correct... it is DirecTV / OTA only. No cable.

Posted by: pdoyle

Robert,
Can you explain why it is that you are not allowed to offer preorders to customers who live in an NRTC area? When the units come to the stores we can just walk in and buy one. If DirectTV is pressuring you and others not to offer preorders to Pegasus (or other) customers it sounds like they are trying to punish the consumer. I mean, it is not as if we CHOSE to go through another provider rather than DirectTV.

Pat

Posted by: dropper

This NRTC crap allways bugged me as being a bit "Un-American", until I read this for the NRTC home page:

quote:
In the early 1990s, Hughes Electronics Corporation saw the benefits of DBS and turned to NRTC for funding and a proven distribution channel through our member rural utilities. NRTC members and affiliates invested more than $100 million to obtain exclusive distribution rights for DIRECTV in their service territories. This ensured that rural Americans�who lived beyond the reach of cable and over-the-air television�were among the first in the nation to benefit from this cutting-edge technology.

Nothing like paying for exclusive rights at the long term detriment to the consumer in favor of big business bottom line that says "AMERICA!"

But here is the thing, we as Americans control the airwaves, we own them. Companies only "lease" them from us. It may be time for everyone in the NRTC to demand fair treatment. This can also be brought up any time someone complains that we are stealing TV by not watching commercials. WE own the airwaves and grant them permission to use them. If they cannot adapt, they can go find another line of work.

Maybe farming. Then they can experience the joys of the NRTC.

Keith

Posted by: OldGamingFart

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This ensured that rural Americans-who lived beyond the reach of cable and over-the-air television-were among the first in the nation to benefit from this cutting-edge technology.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is the part that is plain BS. I live 18 miles from downtown Dallas and less than 11 miles from ALL the major TV towers. I am in Pegasus territory. Parts of Plano and other suburbs are in Pegasus territory. Towns to the south of me are in DirecTV territory. I can't quite figure out the rhyme or reason on how some Pegasus territories were decided. Talk about making a deal with the devil!! Plus I dropped cable to get DirecTV back in 1994!

Posted by: Axiant

quote:
Originally posted by OldGamingFart
I live 18 miles from downtown Dallas and less than 11 miles from ALL the major TV towers. I am in Pegasus territory. Parts of Plano and other suburbs are in Pegasus territory. Towns to the south of me are in DirecTV territory. I can't quite figure out the rhyme or reason on how some Pegasus territories were decided.

Same here. I live on the county line between Pegasus and Directv. Guess who I have as a provider. It really sucks and I hope to God someday Pegasus just disappears. :p

Posted by: rogo

DirecTV offered Pegasus a reasonable deal and is now content to let them bleed to death. Your wish will be coming true -- within some period of years, alas.

Posted by: Ed Campbell

Good Guys coupon for 10% discount on any purchase over $199 still up at their website.

I'm a survivor from year one of DTV -- including being sold to Pegasus, several years ago. For folks asking the question, there ARE online retailers out there who are authorized for Pegasus sales. American Satellite is one of them: 888-999-7331.

I generally end up calling them when there is a really techie question -- because they do have some sharp folks onboard. Spoke, this morning, to Eric. 888-999-4217 xt. 6401, and although they haven't gotten the word on any introductory special, yet, he's taking names, phone #'s and email addresses to get back to folks as soon as he has info. If you call Eric, you can mention me as the source -- and he's hip to forums like ours. I've hit him a couple times in the past and he works at getting answers for you. That's why I weaseled his direct number, this morning.

American Satellite is authorized to sell HD equipment to Pegasus customers.

Typically, they haven't any price breaks beyond authorized deals; but, they may be able to help folks [like me] who've been waiting with anticipation.

Checked with Pegasus, this morning, and they're offering a new 3-lnb dish with local installation included for $99 [so far]. The AmSat deal will offer install inclusive, too. I think I'm going to keep my old [hacked] 40" dish up just in case I decide to take a shot as VOOM, as well.

Posted by: MiamiSteve

Can anyone confirm whether this unit will come with component video cables. They are listed in the FAQs as coming with the unit, but ValueElectronics' website does not list them.

Posted by: Kamakzie

Robert told me they do and they are 3 meters in length.

quote:
Originally posted by MiamiSteve
Can anyone confirm whether this unit will come with component video cables. They are listed in the FAQs as coming with the unit, but ValueElectronics' website does not list them.

Posted by: ptrubey

Anyone know of a projected shipping date for the first units? Even a guess?

Posted by: Stuigi

It'll be any day now, any daaay!

Posted by: SteveWinNJ

A guess?.....April 1st. (hey...that happens to be April fool's day!) :D

Posted by: rogo

GoodGuys.com is not the same company as Good Guys, the store, which is where people are ordering from (the latter).

Posted by: Cudahy

March 15th to April 4th is the range of dates. Don't think there's been any new info since the pre-orders started.

Posted by: richierich

The units are supposed to shipped from Mexico on March 26th.

Posted by: Cudahy

That's unofficial like all the release date estimates.

Posted by: lady400

I'm in, hopefully for the 2nd (??) wave. C'mon, April!!

Posted by: MichaelK

quote:
Originally posted by jb007
Perhaps, (and I'm not intending to be judgmental, honestly) but aren't these methods dishonest? Isn't this type of conduct what causes D* in part to raise rates and prices of equipment?

Just my food for thought :eek:

it does sound kind of cheesey and i'm not one to generally try to get over. (I frequently marvel at what people have the balls to return at the home deport for example)

But the aproaches to have the directv service plans take care of your problems AFTER the fact are exactly what the csr's will suggest you do. I didnt even know they had such a plan till i had trouble with an old box i had a while back. I called for trouble shooting to see if it was the box or my dish or what. We couldnt figure it out so i inquired how much to have someone come out and look at it for me (wanted to compare repair versus just buying new) and the CSR told me it was something like $120 for a service call or i could pay the service plan for a year and actually save money and get the repair for free. I told him i didnt like either options cost so i would probably just go buy something new and he suggested i could pay for a month and wait 30 days if i wanted to go that route.

so i guess they want you on the plan. I would imagine it is such a huge money maker that they hope a decent percentage stay on after they get their repair and then D* makes their money forever after.

Posted by: Steve609

OK... OK... I am in!

Just ordered this morning from Value Electronics. Its just to easy!

For the time being, we are on comcast HD and we get all the networks (that broadcast in HD). Kinda of funny, the last thing we watched HD was the Super Bowl... I guess, no TIVO no TV for us!

What programming rumors are out there for DirecTV?

I know D does CBS, any others in the pipeline?

Thanks for your help,
Steve

____________________

4 - Hughes HDVR2 DirecTV TIVO's
"Hello eBay" :D

Posted by: duffin

quote:
Originally posted by Steve609
OK... OK... I am in!

Just ordered this morning from Value Electronics. Its just to easy!

For the time being, we are on comcast HD and we get all the networks (that broadcast in HD). Kinda of funny, the last thing we watched HD was the Super Bowl... I guess, no TIVO no TV for us!

What programming rumors are out there for DirecTV?

I know D does CBS, any others in the pipeline?

Thanks for your help,
Steve

Monitor this thread in the AVSForum.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/foru...p?s=&forumid=34

Posted by: the-sloth

im in. damn that was exciting. :D

Posted by: bcushman

Well I finally got the "official" approval to pre-order. Am I henpecked? Hell no, just well trained after 47 years of marriage! Anyway I ordered online at Value Electronics and got an immediate confirmation. I may have to wait longer but at least I'm on the list!!! Now to wish my life away, waiting, and waiting, and.........

Posted by: harambur

is it March 27th yet???????????????????????????????

how many products you have to buy in the first wave to be considered an early adopter?

this is my 2nd purchase of a high end system where I am on the forefront.

Posted by: scottchez

So if we Pre-Order from Value Electronics now we will be last on the list.

Are any of the other on line retailers planning to do PRE-Orders?

We would be first on there list?

Expert Sat?
Express Sat?

ect . . .

Posted by: jrock

Hmm maybe DTV TiVo Dealer could let you know if the first 300 slots are full and when he expects the second order. He has a good deal going. If not I think good guys or something like that is taking pre orders but no special deal with them.

-Joe

Posted by: DTV TiVo Dealer

My first allocation is sold out. My second delivery is scheduled for April 14, 2004.

Posted by: scottchez

Humm

wait till April 14th and save $100 still not a bad deal . . .

Posted by: Kamakzie

I was well under order 200 so I should be fine I hope! Can't wait!

Posted by: dropper

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
My first allocation is sold out. My second delivery is scheduled for April 14, 2004.

I notice that you didn't say exactly how many were in your first allocation, or when they were scheduled. Any chance on an update (even a tentative one)?

Keith

PS: Please don't move me down the list.........

Posted by: jb007

quote:
Originally posted by dropper
I notice that you didn't say exactly how many were in your first allocation, or when they were scheduled. Any chance on an update (even a tentative one)?

Keith

Somewhere in the first 22 pages of this thread, I believe Robert has said he was receiving 350 initial HD TiVo's and it would be around the first of April.

Posted by: dropper

I know that part. He also said that he may be able to get more than the 350 for the first allocation. I was just hoping for more specifics, that's all.

Keith

Posted by: jmhays

"Humm

wait till April 14th and save $100 still not a bad deal . . ."

I didn't think so, I just completed my pre-order PLUS signing up for DirecTV for the first time. I will have to settle for using the $39 regular DirecTivo until just after April 14 when my new HD DirecTivo should ship....

Posted by: looknow12

I wonder if there are plans for another receiver with additional features.

I am also on the list, and I know technology changes at a rapid pace, but I would love to have at least 6 months of use out of this one.

Posted by: jb007

quote:
Originally posted by looknow12
I wonder if there are plans for another receiver with additional features.

I am also on the list, and I know technology changes at a rapid pace, but I would love to have at least 6 months of use out of this one.

Certainly plans are always in the works for the next version. However, any additional features you desire could probably be handled thru a software update. Most likely, newer models will only include the additional feature of more hard drive space.

For someone who is concerned about your technology becoming outdated every six months, I see you have the Sony 50XBR950. I have the 900. Now, Sony does change their technology rapidly! :D

Posted by: ArmyEagle

quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
I was well under order 200 so I should be fine I hope! Can't wait!

When did you order yours?
I ordered mine on Jan 25. Am I in the first 200?

Posted by: Kamakzie

January 17th.

Posted by: ericlhyman

Value Electronics: Please list the cut-off date for when orders had to be received by in order to be part of the first shipment.

Posted by: dropper

quote:
Originally posted by ArmyEagle
When did you order yours?
I ordered mine on Jan 25. Am I in the first 200?

I ordered on Jan. 26th, but when I did, all of the chatter here seemed to say that the first 350 were already allocated at the time, but Value Electronics said that he might be able to get more to satisfy the demand.

Also remember that just because he was allocated 350 units, doesn't mean that he will be able to get those all at once. He's at his distributor's/manufacturer's mercy as much as we are of his.

Keith

Posted by: PJO1966

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
We are over the 350 mark.

Robert posted this on 1.23.04 at 1:24pm in this very thread. That should narrow it down a bit

Posted by: dropper

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
We are over the 350 mark. However, we will get additional inventory to fill all of the orders that are pre-sold within the first week of production.

Hughes is in the business of delivering these units and senior management told me that in the first production, they can build as many HD-DVR250's as they have orders for.

Of course, no one knows for 100% certainly, but, I expect to get the first 300 - 350 and likely more all on the same day. The second shipment is only few days later.

Found the quote from the 23rd. Oops, someone already beat me to it...

Keith

Posted by: PJO1966

Does that mean I win some kind of Search Award? :D

Posted by: Argentino

Just pre-ordered my Direct HDTivo w/Value Electronics. I also oredered DirecTV service from them. Spoke w/Robert, the owner/manager there, who was really nice and made some other great hdtv / directv related suggestions.

I'll get a first install this coming Monday 2/23, and when the HDTivo arrives I will get that via mail, but they'll set up all the connections so I can just plug it in and run with it.

So it's all very promising, and Robert was extremely helpful... I'll keep you all posted, but like I said, so far so good...

Posted by: dropper

It's been days, days I tell you! Without any updates.

Going through withdrawls....

Help me!!!!!

Keith

Posted by: jb007

quote:
Originally posted by dropper
It's been days, days I tell you! Without any updates.

Going through withdrawls....

Help me!!!!!

Keith

UPDATE: As of February 20, 2004, at 9:18 a.m. PST...

HD TiVo still not available. :D :D

Posted by: harambur

and i have it from good sources that it will not be avaliable tomorrow either :D

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by harambur
and i have it from good sources that it will not be avaliable tomorrow either :D

Bah! Just another unsubstantiated rumor!

Posted by: jmhays

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Bah! Just another unsubstantiated rumor!

No, REALLY!! My friend's brother's second cousin's neighbor owns Tivo and he said it really will not be ready tomorrow.

... or was that it WILL be ready? By the way, the my friends brother said that the same guy also owns the entire Internet! Wouldn't THAT be cool!

Posted by: jmrife

I own the entire internet (bought in from a Mr A. Gore), and I am watching the mail for both my HD DirecTiVo and my rental checks from scallywags who are using my internet without permission.

Which do you think will arrive first?

Posted by: dropper

Ugh. You guys just taunt me with your rumors...

But what I was really talking about was DTV Dealer not being around.

Keith

Posted by: LarryInAz

quote:
Originally posted by dropper
Ugh. You guys just taunt me with your rumors...

But what I was really talking about was DTV Dealer not being around.

Keith

I suspect Robert is resting and saving his energy since April is getting closer every day. ;)

Posted by: DTV TiVo Dealer

Here's the latest information I have on the first release date for the HD-DVR250. At the CES Show (1/8/04) Hughes and DIRECTV told me the first allocation would ship the 2nd - 3rd week of March '04. I came back and reported the first week of April '04 just to be conservative.

Earlier this week I was updated that the first release date is approximately the first week of April '04. I'm glad I added a little fudge time on my prediction.

It also looks like DIRECTV will be the only brand name on this HD-DVR and the model # will be changed to HR10-250.

Posted by: JohnA

Need this thing in time for the Master's. Sure hope it shows up by then!

Posted by: Mikehdtv

Hey ya'll what's this internet thang?

George Dubya Bush

Posted by: jjmpeters

Thanks for the update Robert! Here's hoping my order is covered by the first batch (ordered 1/21).

Posted by: BobJ2004

What is the new "Double Deal" promo for new customers that starts March 1st?

Any thing us potential new subs should be getting exciting about?

Just a watching waiting for the HD Tivo to come out before I switch, but if the Double Deal is a "Hot One" maybe sooner.

Anything for the HD Tivo in the Double deal promo for new Subs?

Posted by: Cudahy

Well I guess that ends any hope for a March 1st initial shipment date. Feels like I preordered months ago.

Posted by: hongcho

> It also looks like DIRECTV will be the only brand name on this HD-DVR and the model # will be changed to HR10-250.

Oh... I guess this will be DirecTV's first their-own-branded STB. Interesting.

> Feels like I preordered months ago.

Didn't I? :p

Hong.

Posted by: dave3

No it was just a little more than a month ago. BOOHOO.

I need a new toy. Since I have been saving up for the HD tivo I have had serious control over my gadget buying, although that has not stopped my wife from buying $500 worth of clothing last month, damn AMEX bill.

Posted by: harambur

March 16th is Sopranos premier. Let's hope that I only have to watch 2 episodes in SD :D

Posted by: jrock

quote:
Originally posted by harambur
March 16th is Sopranos premier. Let's hope that I only have to watch 2 episodes in SD :D

It's March 7th at 9pm according the the HBO website, the Comcast HBO On Demand junk mail, and the DirecTV Guide.

Posted by: Robert Crawford

If you already have Total Choice Premier with DirecTV and preorder this unit, once it's installed wouldn't DirecTV waive your monthly bill for Tivo?

Posted by: ebonovic

quote:
Originally posted by Robert Crawford
If you already have Total Choice Premier with DirecTV and preorder this unit, once it's installed wouldn't DirecTV waive your monthly bill for Tivo?

Yes

Posted by: harambur

okay, so add another episode i have to suffer through at low quality!

Posted by: slangley

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
It also looks like DIRECTV will be the only brand name on this HD-DVR and the model # will be changed to HR10-250.

It will still have TiVo in it...right? And it will still be a Hughes unit...right?

If I ordered one earlier this week...am I still in the first 300 that will ship out the 1st week of April.

Thanks...

Posted by: DTV TiVo Dealer

quote:
Originally posted by slangley
It will still have TiVo in it...right? And it will still be a Hughes unit...right?

If I ordered one earlier this week...am I still in the first 300 that will ship out the 1st week of April.

Thanks...

Yes, the HR10-250 aka, HD-DVR250, will by powered by TiVo and built by the same Hughes contract manufacturer with the exact specifications and features. Hughes engineering is still in charge of the beta and manufacturing. This will be the last STB from Hughes.

Current orders will ship approximately the third or forth week of April 2004.

Posted by: Kamakzie

Yikes that is longer than first anticipated... :( Oh well I guess we can wait a little longer....

Posted by: DTV TiVo Dealer

My first shipment is still scheduled for the first week of April '04. Current orders will be delivered approximately 3 weeks later.

We are only accepting advance orders from avs/TC members exclusively.

Posted by: Kamakzie

So since I was in the original 300 I will be first week of April?

Posted by: DTV TiVo Dealer

Yes to gcawad and Kamakzie.

Posted by: gcawad

Thanks, I deleted my post since the answer beat the question.

Posted by: aaronwt

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
My first shipment is still scheduled for the first week of April '04. Current orders will be delivered approximately 3 weeks later.

We are only accepting advance orders from avs/TC members exclusively.

I pre-ordered mine on January 22, but my online ordering email address is different than my AVS forum/TC email address. How will you know that I am a forum member?

Posted by: LarryInAz

quote:
Originally posted by aaronwt
I pre-ordered mine on January 22, but my online ordering email address is different than my AVS forum/TC email address. How will you know that I am a forum member?

They'll know you're "one of us" because the only way you could get to the order page is from the ad banner above in the forum.

Posted by: DTV TiVo Dealer

quote:
Originally posted by LarryInAz
They'll know you're "one of us" because the only way you could get to the order page is from the ad banner above in the forum.

Correct, as usual Larry. However, just yesterday the url showed up on the bottom of the second page on a google search for HD-DVR250. Several people called and I told them to join tivocommunity.com first.

Posted by: ninaatluri

Do we need a seperate off the air antenna with the HD-DVR250 to view off the air local channels in HD ? IF so, which is the best one ?

Posted by: kbcrowe

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
My first shipment is still scheduled for the first week of April '04. Current orders will be delivered approximately 3 weeks later.

We are only accepting advance orders from avs/TC members exclusively.

How can we verify that we will be in that first batch?

Posted by: dr_mal

quote:
Originally posted by ninaatluri
Do we need a seperate off the air antenna with the HD-DVR250 to view off the air local channels in HD ? IF so, which is the best one ?

Yes, you need an OTA antenna to view OTA channels.

As to the best one? That's the magic question. Your best bet is to head over to www.avsforum.com and look in the "Local HDTV" forum for posts from people in the same city as you. Good luck!

Posted by: turls

Let's see, this is one of the most technologically advanced things Tivo and DirecTV have ever done. Hughes has lost the manufacturing contract. They won't be making any more boxes. Samsung needed to go through 2 or 3 firmware revisions to get their first HD box right, for semi-relevant comparison purposes. I wouldn't bet on any significant post-launch R&D for firmware for this box when it is the last one off the line for them.

Not a real warm and fuzzy feeling I'm getting here, and the way DirecTV is going, I don't expect a "model 2" HD Tivo anytime soon.

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
This will be the last STB from Hughes.

Posted by: dropper

quote:
Originally posted by turls
...I wouldn't bet on any significant post-launch R&D for firmware for this box when it is the last one off the line for them.

Not a real warm and fuzzy feeling I'm getting here, and the way DirecTV is going, I don't expect a "model 2" HD Tivo anytime soon.

Dammit, I read that the same way. The only hope is that whomever does get the new contract will take over support for these boxes. Otherwise, it just may be TiVo that takes over support.

Coming from UTV, I can't help but have a feeling of Deja Vu.

Keith

Posted by: DTV TiVo Dealer

100% wrong. Hughes is the manufacturer. Sorry if my post was unclear.

Samsung, Sony, Philips, Hughes and RCA DIRECTV-TiVo DVR's all use the same contract manufacturer in Mexico.

Hughes is the manufacture of record on this DVR. As I said, this is the last STB Hughes will be making.

Posted by: AbMagFab

Tivo Dealer - I ordered mine from you with a confirmation e-mail from you on 1/16 at 3pm. Am I in the first batch?

If so, I'd like to change my shipping option to overnight it. Can I just e-mail you with my order number?

Posted by: rogo

Well, it's certainly the last STB Hughes will be branding, as DirecTV will be branding all future STBs.

But I wonder if Hughes won't still be DirecTV's preferred vendor for the engineering of these boxes in the future?

Posted by: tommylotto

I just learned that on 2/13/04 DirecTV petitioned the FCC to permit DirecTV to downrez the analog outputs on its set top boxes. I thought this was settled and the analog outputs were going to be full resolution. However, our friends over at DirecTV (with not so subtle goading by the MPAA) haven't given up the ghost on downrezing. If Directv's petition is granted PPV will most certainly be downrezed but nothing would prevent them from downrezzing HBO or Showtime as well.

My set only has analog inputs. If I pre-ordered this thing based upon the reasonable expectation that the component outputs would supply my set with HDTV, and that expectation is foiled by DirecTV's recent lobbying attempts, can I cancel? Who do I sue?javascript:smilie(';)')

Posted by: Kamakzie

So only DVI would be full resolution??? How dumb is that! Why does Directv want to do that anyways?

Posted by: fredsan

quote:
Originally posted by tommylotto
I just learned that on 2/13/04 DirecTV petitioned the FCC to permit DirecTV to downrez the analog outputs on its set top boxes. I thought this was settled and the analog outputs were going to be full resolution. However, our friends over at DirecTV (with not so subtle goading by the MPAA) haven't given up the ghost on downrezing. If Directv's petition is granted PPV will most certainly be downrezed but nothing would prevent them from downrezzing HBO or Showtime as well.

My set only has analog inputs. If I pre-ordered this thing based upon the reasonable expectation that the component outputs would supply my set with HDTV, and that expectation is foiled by DirecTV's recent lobbying attempts, can I cancel? Who do I sue?java script:smilie(';)')

Before we all go insane here, where did you learn this information? I don't see any news about it on the web.

Posted by: tremor_f

My understanding from reading the filings (booooring) and interpretations I've seen is that DirecTV is looking for ways to get a better pipeline of pay-per-view (PPV) movies in HD. The content owners care the most about this sort of thing when a movie is fresh and marketable, and then their interest declines over time but certainly never drops near zero.

Just so everyone is clear: DirecTV is not applying for permission to downconvert ALL content, only 'premium' content, the definition of which is left somewhat vague. The supplementary information I've read indicates that 'premium' in this context almost certainly refers to PPV.

Purely viewing this as a practical matter, if DirecTV wants to down-res HD PPV movies on analog outputs, I couldn't care less. I can count on one hand the number of PPV events I've ordered in the last couple of years.

As a matter of principle, however, I think that this is a Very Bad Precedent to set, and should be stopped in its tracks.

-T.

Posted by: midas

People just seem to be missing the point on this. The content providers are the one's insisting that their content be protected. D* is going to offer that content. Their current choice is to only sell that content to people with HDCP connections. What they want is the option to sell it to people without that connection but at a reduced resolution.

The FCC has given those content providers the option to protect their product. D* is the conduit for that content. They have no choice if the provider insists on it being protected other than to not buy it (and thus not sell it) or to buy it and abide by the providers conditions. They simply want to add another option.

Of course, I'd like to see D* tell those companies to go fly a kite. But we all know that's not going to happen. So the choice for those of us without HDCP inputs on our sets is either no access to that content or down-resed content. The option of that content being full-res is not D*'s to decide. It's at the will of the content provider.

And this is all going to happen whether you buy an HDTivo or not. At least the HDTivo has the compliant outputs.

Posted by: Kamakzie

I don't understand how "down-rezzing" the composite outputs does anything for the content providers. What is the point?

Posted by: tremor_f

quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
I don't understand how "down-rezzing" the composite outputs does anything for the content providers. What is the point?

Not the composite outputs, silly, the component outputs. You know, the 3-channel analog outputs capable of carrying an HD signal up to 1080i?

Hollywood is afraid (and rightly so) that it's only a matter of time before cheap hardware is mass-produced to record and redistribute HD content sent over unprotected HD analog outputs. They want to prevent this by requiring that some or all HD content can be forced to pass over copy-protected channels only, in this case DVI with HDCP.

-T.

Posted by: Kamakzie

So the RGB and or YPbPr would be uneffected? If that is the case I could care less then.

quote:
Originally posted by tremor_f
Not the composite outputs, silly, the component outputs. You know, the 3-channel analog outputs capable of carrying an HD signal up to 1080i?

Hollywood is afraid (and rightly so) that it's only a matter of time before cheap hardware is mass-produced to record and redistribute HD content sent over unprotected HD analog outputs. They want to prevent this by requiring that some or all HD content can be forced to pass over copy-protected channels only, in this case DVI with HDCP.

-T.

Posted by: hongcho

It seems they want downresolution on analog video outputs for non broadcast programs (e.g., PPV or VOD). Who decides "non broadcast"? Probably, the content provider (e.g., HBO). OTA shouldn't be affected that much.

And there are other comments to FCC that opposes this view. So, we'll see.

Hong.

Posted by: Darin

quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
So the RGB and or YPbPr would be uneffected?

No, those are the ones that WOULD be affected. But I still think this is a lot of hoopla over not much. If those outputs DO get downrezzed, it will likely only be during a small amount of the programming (likely PPVs), it will affect ALL HD receivers with those outputs, and that same content would have similar constraints no matter which provider you are with.

DirecTV doesn't really have any interest in down-rezzing HD, they have interest in being able to sell content they may not otherwise be able to sell if this isn't allowed.

Posted by: mercurial

quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
So the RGB and or YPbPr would be uneffected? If that is the case I could care less then.

The YPbPr and RGB *WOULD* be effected. YPbPr is the COMPONENT output. (Usually color coded Red, Green, and Blue IIRC). The RGB, being analog, would be effected as well. Only digital, HDCP compliant output (DVI/HDMI) would be full-res and then only if the device they were connected to was HDCP compliant as well.

The COMPOSITE video outputs (the one with the RCA jack that usually is paired with a stereo audio outputs for a yellow (video), red (right), white (left) set of plus) would only ever be able to output 480i as would the S-video output.

Posted by: Kamakzie

Well if it is only for like PPV broadcasts I can live with it.

Posted by: dropper

If they downres PPV, and less people watch, they will quickly change their minds.

Keith

Posted by: Darin

quote:
Originally posted by dropper
If they downres PPV, and less people watch, they will quickly change their minds.

I'd guess that they are thinking that it's better if a reduced number of people watch, than no one at all. Have you looked at the selection on the HD-PPV channel? You can't help but wonder if the selection isn't limited because of the studios' fear of piracy. I'm reading this as DirecTV wants to downrez in an effort to be able to show HD programming they may not be able to do otherwise. Doesn't mean I think it's a good thing though... actually, I'm kinda torn. But I would guess that whatever happens here will be mirrored when HD DVD players start coming out.

Posted by: btwyx

quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
So only DVI would be full resolution??? How dumb is that! Why does Directv want to do that anyways?

I think this may have been worked out in this thread already, and it may be better to go look at the down-rezzing thread to discuss it, however...

Its not DVI that gets full resolution, its protected-DVI. (I'm giving up on the alphabet soup, I'm just going to call it what it is, protected-DVI.) The current question is over the component outputs. Also the big unanswered question is what is the "high value" content that might be protected by downrezzing.

Posted by: turls

#1 I'm not as worried about the initial manufacturing as I am about the post-initial run R&D to correct issues. You did see the mess the initial Samsung TS160 was off the line, didn't you ? And for that matter, it isn't exactly the same issue, but we had to wait for dual tuners to be made active on series 1. I always wondered what would have happened if there had been some type of firmware defect on that 2nd tuner users would have found out about until the 2nd tuner was made active. Maybe firmware updates are completely in the hands of DirecTV/Tivo, maybe they aren't.

#2 When DirecTV "takes over" from all those you mentioned, how do we know the Mexican contract manufacturer isn't thrown out with the bath water as well? Just seems more likely to get ongoing support if the original manufacturer/contractor is still in the mix.

Not trying to spread FUD, just legitimate concerns considering what I went through with Samsung. It isn't like we have a choice anyway, but still . . .

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
100% wrong. Hughes is the manufacturer. Sorry if my post was unclear.

Samsung, Sony, Philips, Hughes and RCA DIRECTV-TiVo DVR's all use the same contract manufacturer in Mexico.

Hughes is the manufacture of record on this DVR. As I said, this is the last STB Hughes will be making.

Posted by: tommylotto

According to the petition, the only content that would be excluded from downrezzing would be broadcast or OTA programing (i.e., CBS and Fox) DirecTV wants the option to downrez all of its other programing at the provider's request. It might just apply to PPV, but that is not what the petition says. It would give DirecTV the option if requested to downrez HBO, Showtime, Discovery, HDNet, ESPN-HD or any other HD channels that they might add, except for broadcast channels. That is way too broad.

If the providers are given the option, they will elect for downrezzing. If DirecTV is denied the right to down rez, the providers would be put into a position of accepting the piracy risk caused by the analog outputs, or pulling their product from distribution. I say we call their bluff. Will HBO cancel its contract with DirecTV over this? I don't think so. Maybe HD PPV would be rare, but the premium channels would not be affected. However, if you open that pandora's box for all channel's except broadcasting, we'll get downrezzed HBO, because "why not?"

Posted by: DTV TiVo Dealer

quote:
Originally posted by turls
#1 I'm not as worried about the initial manufacturing as I am about the post-initial run R&D to correct issues. You did see the mess the initial Samsung TS160 was off the line, didn't you ? And for that matter, it isn't exactly the same issue, but we had to wait for dual tuners to be made active on series 1. I always wondered what would have happened if there had been some type of firmware defect on that 2nd tuner users would have found out about until the 2nd tuner was made active. Maybe firmware updates are completely in the hands of DirecTV/Tivo, maybe they aren't.

#2 When DirecTV "takes over" from all those you mentioned, how do we know the Mexican contract manufacturer isn't thrown out with the bath water as well? Just seems more likely to get ongoing support if the original manufacturer/contractor is still in the mix.

Not trying to spread FUD, just legitimate concerns considering what I went through with Samsung. It isn't like we have a choice anyway, but still . . .

Dual tuner DIRECTV-TiVo DVR and HD STB's have been around for several years. The HD DVR beta testing is concluded and the platform is very stable. I do not suspect any problems, at least not anything that can not be fixed by satellite downloads if necessary.

I agree that it makes sense to continue with the current seasoned factory. We don't expect DIRECTV to stop using the factory that has very successfully made every DIRECTV-DVR since day one. Of course, only time will tell.

Posted by: hongcho

quote:
Originally posted by tommylotto
According to the petition, the only content that would be excluded from downrezzing would be broadcast or OTA programing (i.e., CBS and Fox) DirecTV wants the option to downrez all of its other programing at the provider's request. It might just apply to PPV, but that is not what the petition says. It would give DirecTV the option if requested to downrez HBO, Showtime, Discovery, HDNet, ESPN-HD or any other HD channels that they might add, except for broadcast channels. That is way too broad.

The only thing I wasn't sure about the petition is that it said "broadcast", not "OTA" or "free".

So, how one defines "broadcast"? What's different about, say ABC sports programming and ESPN programming? Or "Monk" on ABC and "Monk" on USA? TBS has "broadcast" in their name. How does that work?

Hong.

Posted by: Darin

I don't pretend to have a good understanding of all the subtleties of these rules, but my understanding is that broadcast in this sense means OTA. I believe OTA broadcasts are considered public domain, and therefore local television stations HAVE to provide an unencrypted feed. At least that's my (somewhat shaky) understanding.

Posted by: the-sloth

robert.... is there any way you could post segments and est ship dates.. i know it has been said that all orders pre 1/13/04 will be first week of april.. but how about something like..

before 1/13/04 - 1st week of april
1/14/04 - 2/20/04 - 3rd week of april
2/21/04 - beyond - 4th week of april

i know that i would like to know where i stand and i'm sure many others do as well. i called a week or so to inquire and the woman that i spoke to said she had no way of knowing who was getting what and when.. or even where i stood in the que (ie 382nd order placed).

Posted by: PJO1966

We're all a bunch of junkies jonesing for the newest fix. :D

Posted by: aejanis

quote:
Originally posted by the-sloth
robert.... is there any way you could post segments and est ship dates.. i know it has been said that all orders pre 1/13/04 will be first week of april.. but how about something like..

before 1/13/04 - 1st week of april
1/14/04 - 2/20/04 - 3rd week of april
2/21/04 - beyond - 4th week of april

i know that i would like to know where i stand and i'm sure many others do as well. i called a week or so to inquire and the woman that i spoke to said she had no way of knowing who was getting what and when.. or even where i stood in the que (ie 382nd order placed).

I agree that this should be possible now, or sometime very soon. At some point they need to divide up the orders and prep who to charge what, when. 300+ orders can't be sorted at the last second.

They need to get organized at some time soon (meaning in advance) for the problems that *will* arise when they are processing the orders for shipment. They need to line things up 1-300 or 350 or whatever. They are going to have to deal with declined cards, people canceling, etc. Getting these orders in order [no pun intended] (from the "multiple outlets/points of sale") is probably pretty high on the list of things to get done, and get it done soon. I don't see VE waiting until they get their shipment into the warehouse to start putting people in line to ship....but I guess I could be wrong too.

I would see it working like this (just how I see this working):

1. They get 300 units in. They run the first 300 orders (which they should know which those are in advance)

2. Lets say 10 cards come back declined. Call the people that ordered and got declined, tell them new card now or we move on to the next person in line.

3. Process "replacement" orders to fill the gaps left by declined cards, or other problems.

4. Ship 300 units.

There has to be a method to the madness, and I personally would start with a list of the orders, in order, as they were placed...regardless of where they came from.

(Robert, I am not trying to tell you how to run things, just guessing that at some point soon you should be able to determine where people are on the list)

Posted by: the-sloth

ya.... or even a post that had an order number and that order number's place in the HDTivo cue. it couldn't be hard to pull those two fields from an order database.. and i think it would satisfy a lot of people.

FYI.. i greatly appreciate VE putting together this pre-order and i don't want to come off as pushy, i just think that by laying down $1k for a STB we at least deserve to know where we stand.

Posted by: feldon23

What's so ridiculous is, the home theater afficionados are going to want HD-DVD, not panned and scanned re-compressed PPV HD movies.

The whole point is moot and DirecTV should say "too bad" to the MPAA and not try to downrez.

It's not like HDCP won't be cracked in a few years anyway.

Posted by: kbcrowe

quote:
Originally posted by the-sloth
[B]robert.... is there any way you could post segments and est ship dates.. i know it has been said that all orders pre 1/13/04 will be first week of april.. but how about something like..

I had not seen that posted before (guess I got lost in all the down-rezing debate).

Anyway, this thread started 1/14/04, so I guess most all of us are in at least the second or third+ batch. I ordered 1/23 and my estimate is the end of April.

Posted by: aejanis

quote:
Originally posted by kbcrowe
I had not seen that posted before (guess I got lost in all the down-rezing debate).

Anyway, this thread started 1/14/03, so I guess most all of us are in at least the second or third+ batch. I ordered 1/23 and my estimate is the end of April.

Actually Robert posted on Jan 23rd that they had past the 350 mark.
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...300#post1679035

I ordered on the 22nd, so you can understand why I am in a position of wondering...where am I?! Am I under 300, or between 300 and 350?

I really just want to get one that is all that I care about, but it would be nice to know when to expect it...but there is still 30+ days so I can wait a little longer to know exactly when to expect it.

Posted by: Kamakzie

I ordered on Saturday 1/17 at around 8PM and I am in the first batch if that helps any.

Posted by: the-sloth

ya.. my mistake on the date.. 1/23 he posted about hitting the 350 mark.

Posted by: kbcrowe

quote:
Originally posted by aejanis
Actually Robert posted on Jan 23rd that they had past the 350 mark.
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...300#post1679035

I ordered on the 22nd, so you can understand why I am in a position of wondering...where am I?! Am I under 300, or between 300 and 350?

I had ordered early that morning about 8 hours before his post, so I suspect he actually hit the 350 mark before the 23rd.

Posted by: aejanis

quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
I ordered on Saturday 1/17 at around 8PM and I am in the first batch if that helps any.

Nope...needle in a haystack. We don't know what number you were, or at what rate orders were coming in at.

Posted by: aejanis

quote:
Originally posted by kbcrowe
I had ordered early that morning about 8 hours before his post, so I suspect he actually hit the 350 mark before the 23rd.

I ordered on the 22nd @ around 12Noon EST....My thoughts exactly, he hit 350 on the 22nd at some point.

Posted by: davidmin

In any case, there will inevitably be cancellations of the original orders. So even though you didn't make it in the first 350 doesn't mean you might not get your order sooner than you thought.

David

Posted by: Kamakzie

I know I was before the first 200 because he posted a msg saying he hit 200 orders the following afternoon or so.

quote:
Originally posted by aejanis
Nope...needle in a haystack. We don't know what number you were, or at what rate orders were coming in at.

Posted by: dswallow

Still a whole month to go... I guess this is the online equivalent of twiddling thumbs and drooling about waiting. ;)

Posted by: BruceL

I ordered on the 19th - hope I am in the 1st batch

Bruce

Posted by: btwyx

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Still a whole month to go... I guess this is the online equivalent of twiddling thumbs and drooling about waiting. ;)

I thought that was the "Is it April yet..." thread.

Posted by: Hootydog

quote:
Originally posted by aejanis

2. Lets say 10 cards come back declined. Call the people that ordered and got declined, tell them new card now or we move on to the next person in line.

I'm sorry, declined card. You go to the end of the line...
:D

Posted by: Craig540

DTV TiVo Dealer I just orderd today $100 down. What batch or week in April can I hope for.

Thanks
Craig

Oh I see_Current orders will ship approximately the third or forth week of April 2004 ?

Posted by: aejanis

quote:
Originally posted by Hootydog
I'm sorry, declined card. You go to the end of the line...
:D

...and this might actually happen to me!:eek:

The card that I used to pay for the down payment expires March 31st!

I will probably just call and have them charge the entire amount to prevent any confusion with the old card.

Posted by: Kamakzie

My card expires on 5/31 so I should be safe :)

Posted by: btwyx

quote:
Originally posted by aejanis
The card that I used to pay for the down payment expires March 31st!

I deliberatly did not use my card which expires March 31st for this, even thoughthat's the card I usually use for major purchases as it gives me 1% cash back.

Posted by: Kamakzie

Just call VE and give them the new expiration date when you get it from your CC company.

Posted by: PJO1966

Are we assuming that the same card will be automatically charged the remaining balance, or will we be given the option of using a different card? I wasn't planning on using the same one.

Posted by: dropper

quote:
Originally posted by PJO1966
Are we assuming that the same card will be automatically charged the remaining balance, or will we be given the option of using a different card? I wasn't planning on using the same one.

I think you will want contact them and give them the new CC number.

Keith

Posted by: ericlhyman

I ordered the evening of Jan 21 (card processed Jan 22) and was told I'm in the third week of April group.

Posted by: aejanis

quote:
Originally posted by btwyx
I deliberatly did not use my card which expires March 31st for this, even thoughthat's the card I usually use for major purchases as it gives me 1% cash back.

I only have one credit card...and don't need more then one really. I don't carry a balance. I have it only becaue I get miles. I try not to use a bank check card anymore either...really sucks when over 7K is missing from your bank account because someone stole, or by some means aquired the number :mad:.

Also when ever I get a new card (because the old one expires) I request a card with a new number. I like having a new number at least every two years.

So basically I would have been unable to preorder otherwise. Like I said I will probably call in a few weeks and just have them hit my card for the balance (chance are I will have my new card sometime in the next week or so anyway).

...and what this has to do with Tivo...nothing :D

Posted by: Craig540

Humm ! I just talked to my neighbor who has a brother in law who works for TiVo and is coming over to visit Wouldn,t that be a nice hookup.
(:

Posted by: AbMagFab

I ordered Jan 16th, when there were only 300 hits on the page, and he's telling me I'm in the second group. Looks like he's taking care of some friends rather than customers.

Anyone know another pre-order place that's a little more reliable? Seems dumb of this guy to mess with the pre-order group given how vocal people will be here. If that's what he's doing.

Posted by: Jim Skripchuk

>>I ordered Jan 16th, when there were only 300 hits on the page, and he's telling me I'm in the second group. Looks like he's taking care of some friends rather than customers.<<

Is the above date correct?? Because Robert from ValueElectronics stated the following on Jan 19th

>>Sorry we have not email responded. We are up to 219 as of 1:09 PM EST today.<<

I ordered less than 45 minutes after his post on the 19th and I just assume I am in the first batch.

Hopefully, since ValueElectronics is well respected on this board, I am sure there must be an mix-up.

Posted by: jrock

I ordered on Jan 17th and after I saw this post from DTV TiVo Dealer "No, we're at approximately 175, the half way mark" so I should be in the first order also. I hope it hasn't changed :(

-Joe

Posted by: tommylotto

This guy is from Jersey, right? So, how much extra does it cost to be in the first 300? Wink, wink...

Posted by: AbMagFab

He told me specifically I'm in the second batch, and I ordered on 1/16, so if you're in the first batch, he's really picking and choosing (which is pretty sleazy in my books - not that he's doing this).

Posted by: Jim Skripchuk

The key word is ASSUME, since I assume I am in the first batch since less than forty-five minutes had elapsed since he stated he was up to 219.

Don't want to type anything misleading here.

Hopefuly we will all be happy in April!!

Posted by: Alexander

Hmmm...I'd like to see a response from Robert here...

Posted by: DTV TiVo Dealer

I will email all HR10-250 pre-order forum members by the end of today. Please wait for my email as it will answer all questions very favorably.

Posted by: MCodanti

Will someone let us non-preorder people know what the content of DTV TiVo Dealer's email is?

Posted by: Kamakzie

Cool thanks for keeping us up to date!

Posted by: Jim Skripchuk

Thanks Robert!!

Posted by: jrock

quote:
Originally posted by MCodanti
Will someone let us non-preorder people know what the content of DTV TiVo Dealer's email is?

It said we get a free toaster oven since we have to wait for the second shipment now. Toaster ovens should be arriving mid March. :rolleyes:

-Joe

Posted by: the-sloth

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
I will email all HR10-250 pre-order forum members by the end of today. Please wait for my email as it will answer all questions very favorably.

thanks robert... i really appreciate it.

Posted by: bcushman

And thanks from me as well. Excellent customer service.

Posted by: dlott

Thanks Robert, your the Tivo Man!!! By the way love the Harmony remote, my wife ask why it took me so long to find a remote that she could use and work the entertainmet center. Now one button and everything comes on for her. Saves me from hearing, you got this thing where you are the only one who knows how to work it. Yada Yada Yada......:D

Posted by: gcawad

Are some of you saying the emails already went out? I ordered on the 18th and did not get one.

Posted by: andrewket

I haven't seen anything in email or PM... what's the scoop?

-A

Posted by: buzzword

I ordered the 17th and have not received an email either.

Posted by: Kamakzie

I got a email order confirmation immediately after ordering on Jan 17th.

Posted by: aaronwt

I got an email confirmation on Jan22 but I didn't get an email today. My forum email is different than the email I use for online purchases. Since I didn't receive an email today, does that mean I'm in the first group of preorders??

Posted by: bcushman

I was thanking Robert in advance for the email he said he was sending out by the end of today. Nothing yet, but then again the day isn't over!!

Posted by: gcawad

quote:
Originally posted by aaronwt
I got an email confirmation on Jan22 but I didn't get an email today. My forum email is different than the email I use for online purchases. Since I didn't receive an email today, does that mean I'm in the first group of preorders??

I think its the reverse.

Posted by: Stuigi

I am in the first three hundred and I am putting my spot up for auction on ebay.
Now, all you folks in the over three hundred club have a shot at the sweet life!

NOT!

Posted by: Y0SHI

Has anyone gotten Robert's email?

Posted by: Kamakzie

Not yet, but I am sure he is working on it.

quote:
Originally posted by Y0SHI
Has anyone gotten Robert's email?

Posted by: jb007

No email here yet. Forget the date I ordered, but my CC was charged 1/17/04.

Robert appears to be very reputable. I'm sure it's a gargantuan task and he's doing the best he can. This is a lot of extra work and really not a part of VE's job. He's just attempting to satisfy all of us ANXIOUS folks (like me) :D :D

Posted by: DTV TiVo Dealer

No problem, but the task was a little bigger than I first thought. Anyway, emails should start flying through cyberspace in the next few minutes.

Posted by: LarryInAz

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
No problem, but the task was a little bigger than I first thought. Anyway, emails should start flying through cyberspace in the next few minuets.

I'm not much of a dancer, is doing the minuet a guarantee of being in the first batch? I guess I can always take lessons. :)

Posted by: DTV TiVo Dealer

quote:
Originally posted by LarryInAz
I'm not much of a dancer, is doing the minuet a guarantee of being in the first batch? I guess I can always take lessons. :)

Thanks Larry. I fixed the typo. Lets hope I typed my emails to all of you correctly.

Posted by: btwyx

Mine just arrived, now I've got to digest it. It looks like it has a D* agreement attached.

Posted by: btwyx

Now I'm wondering if I'll be in the first batch. I was the first person here to admit to having placed an order. I hope I'll still be in the first batch even if they're very constrained.

Posted by: Y0SHI

Can you elaborate on "even if they're very constrained"? (still haven't received my email :( )

Posted by: wilbur1972

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Thanks Larry. I fixed the typo. Lets hope I typed my emails to all of you correctly.

I haven't received one yet. I sent an e-mail to your company earlier this week asking for a confirmation email for my purchase, but I've yet to receive a reply. Is this the correct e-mail address for that question:

sales@valueelectronics.com

Thanks again for the offer and any info you can provide.

Chris

Posted by: MCDubJr

Hotmail users be warned, I found my email in my junk mail folder.

Jim

Posted by: btwyx

quote:
Originally posted by Y0SHI
Can you elaborate on "even if they're very constrained"? (still haven't received my email :( )

Its says there's scheduled to be a build of 200 in the week of 22nd March, and then production will ramp up from there. Its not clear how many of this build ("the lion's share") Value Electronics will get, so I don't know if I'll get mine that week or the week after. It'll be in "extremely limited allocation" till the end of the year.

I'd be extremely pleased if it were the week of the 22nd.

It does say the first 350 should get out on the originally specified schedule, ie by the first week of April.

Posted by: satman1

The distributor tell's me they don't know how much it will cost and they are not taken any preorders

Posted by: midas

No email here and my order was placed (and credit card charged) on Jan 17th.

Posted by: Jim Skripchuk

No email here either at 0730. Order number 12822.

Robert, thanks again for any info.

Posted by: bmel

The credit card purchase agreement asks for "credit card (if different)". If different from what? The card used for the original order? I'm not sure I remember which card I used for that order, It's not on my e-mail confirmation.

Does the rapidity of reply to these forms alter your place in line?

Brian

Posted by: jrock

Hmm I still didn't get an email. I know I ordered it when he said they where at the 175 mark on the 17th so I should be within the first 200 I hope.

-Joe