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Posted by: turls

quote:
Originally posted by tmf aficionado
Plus he's got a lot of nerve sending documents in Word format, since most experienced computer users don't even run Windows. I had to boot up the laptop just to open the attachments. Then he tries to sell us more overinflated junk, which costs 1/4 as much on ebay, to add insult to injury. Yeah good idea, I'll pay extra for your legendary "service" buddy.

[and later]

Let's just wait and see how many of the so-called "AVS/TC" preorders actually came from users here, and how many of them the "well connected" crowd will be hawking for $1500 on the street while the stores are sold out.

Well actually the experienced computer users know that the world does run Windows, and plan their setups accordingly.

Wait a second, if there are any preorders that end up in the "well connected" crowds' hands--doesn't it stand to reason that they will end up on Ebay? And if they are on Ebay, they will be on there at 1/4th of his price using your logic. So I say, let the "well connected" have them ;)

Anyway, some people here have no concept of a preorder. I did a pre-release preorder from another AVS Forum sponsor, paid for it over 4 months before I got it, and everything turned out fine.

I find it interesting that some are complaining about a refund on a deposit, but has anybody actually contacted VE privately to discuss the situation?

Take it private people.

Posted by: Bryan Lyle

Well, it didn't take long for somebody to send me an email from valueelectronics@oat.net that appeared to be an email from Robert. Of course, it had an attachment and of course, it wasn't from Robert at all.

Good thing virus detectors, etc are around to stop morons like this.

Anyone else get a message like this?

Posted by: Stuigi

It just goes to show how true the ole addage of 'you can't please everyone'still holds true.

Case in point;

In the '70s I had a furniture mfg facility in Tennessee. My company mfgd oak roll top desk reproductions.
One day we received a letter from an obviously unhappy customer who complained that the tambour (the part that rolls up and down) moved too easily. The fact that there was no struggle in moving it made the product seem unauthentic.

GO FIGURE

Posted by: dmaneyapanda

quote:
Originally posted by Bryan Lyle
Good thing virus detectors, etc are around to stop morons like this.

That's a real shame (assuming it really was a purposeful act, which would be my guess given the subject line you reported). I guess some people have to act like 10 year olds, regardless of which side of the fence they are on.

Posted by: Darin

Is that valueelectronics email address a valid one that is listed somewhere, like in this thread? If so, it could simply be in the internet cache of an infected computer, and spoofed by the virus when it's doing it's thing. But if it's not, then someone had to specifically make that up, which is really odd (and sad).

Posted by: JLWINE

quote:
Originally posted by buzzword
Further to my previous post...(I'm still angry!)

It's one thing to post dates and order id's and engage it a little fun speculation amongst ourselves as to who might be first in the queue,
but completely another to ask someone to send out 350 personalized email simply to satisfy your curiousity and then to harass them and engage in character assasination and slander because they're not aswering you FAST ENOUGH.

If it were up to me AbMagFab, I'd boot your a** off the forum.

That's all I have to say on the matter.

Ditto and Amen. Who else remembers how Robert was also attacked the first time around when the HDTV 2 came out.

They will be here when they get here.

Posted by: oatnet

quote:
Originally posted by Bryan Lyle
Well, it didn't take long for somebody to send me an email from valueelectronics@oat.net that appeared to be an email from Robert. Of course, it had an attachment and of course, it wasn't from Robert at all.

Good thing virus detectors, etc are around to stop morons like this.

Anyone else get a message like this?

WTF? I own the OAT.NET domain, and by some freak chance I happened to stumble across this posting! I do customize the email address to the company I am doing business with (anything addressed to oat.net ends up in my mailbox) so that I can tell who sells my info, so when I did MY Preorder I used valueelectronics@oat.net on the order form.

That order form was the first and ONLY time that email address was used, it exists nowhere else, I haven't even sent an email from my PC using it. Is it possible that valueeletronics has a virus that is sending out emails using the addresses of its customers?

JD

Posted by: aejanis

quote:
Originally posted by oatnet
WTF? I own the OAT.NET domain, and by some freak chance I happened to stumble across this posting! I do customize the email address to the company I am doing business with (anything addressed to oat.net ends up in my mailbox) so that I can tell who sells my info, so when I did MY Preorder I used valueelectronics@oat.net on the order form.

That order form was the first and ONLY time that email address was used, it exists nowhere else, I haven't even sent an email from my PC using it. Is it possible that valueeletronics has a virus that is sending out emails using the addresses of its customers?

JD

Anything is possible...you could be infected, or a machine at VE could be..

Posted by: Darin

Heh, well either you, Robert, or one of the computers Robert was using to do his emailing with is infected. There have been a TON of new viruses lately. My virus software has auto-updated about five times in the past several days. Two updates already just today.

Posted by: oatnet

quote:
Originally posted by aejanis
Anything is possible...you could be infected, or a machine at VE could be..

Can't be me - that address has never been used on my computer, only in their online form. The only place it exists is on their system...

I also just rescanned my machine - no viruses, I run live update daily, and my machines are behind a dumb hardware firewall, a smart hardware firewall, and a microsoft ISA server...

It is exceptionally freaky because I only logged in to confirm that I was using the correct screen name on Roberts form, saw the new HD-DRV forum thought I'd check it out, and I saw a thread about the pre-order, and went to the last page... The very first post I have read on this forum in months and whammo I see my domain being spoofed!

Weird.

JD

Posted by: harambur

if someone has a virus on their pc, it will send email to anyone that was cc'ed on the original email.

so if your email address was cc'ed on the email robert sent out, then a virus can grab it and send itself spoofing the address.

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by oatnet
Can't be me - that address has never been used on my computer, only in the online form. The only place it exists is on their system...

I also just rescanned my machine - no viruses, I run live update daily, and my machines are behind a dumb hardware firewall, a smart hardware firewall, and a microsoft ISA server...

JD

Many viruses do explore cache files as well, harvesting email addresses.

Posted by: Darin

quote:
Originally posted by oatnet
Can't be me - that address has never been used on my computer, only in the online form.

Then it's possible that it is in your internet cache, and could be used if you are infected. But generally secure forms aren't cached, so I wouldn't think it would be, but hard to tell. I do the exact same thing you do, and I manage it with an online email forwarder... so if you added that address to your domain online, that's another source where it could leak into your cache. But it sounds like Robert may have been doing some work at home over the weekend with all the email addresses... he may have those on more than one computer, one of which could be infected. Probably on his side, but don't rule out the possibility of you just because it's not in your address book.

Posted by: ebonovic

Hmmm... Been out of the fourms for the weekend...

Did I miss anything :)
Yikes....

Posted by: Kamakzie

That's the understatement of the millenium! :)

quote:
Originally posted by ebonovic
Hmmm... Been out of the fourms for the weekend...

Did I miss anything :)
Yikes....

Posted by: oatnet

quote:
Originally posted by Darin
So if you added that address to your domain online, that's another source where it could leak into your cache.

That's just it - I don't actually create the address in my domain. I have a default forwarder that sends any email addressed to oat.net to my mailbox. When I filled that address in on Robert's form, that was the only time that combination of characters was assembled.

I just spoke with Wendy at VE, I don't know that she fully understood what I was saying, but I tried to warn her.

You are correct, the secure form is not cached. I really don't think its me, I rechecked my system at the last post and I have a pretty solid environment... I would obviously never say I am unhackable, but I am a cisco certified professional and I make a living doing security, and my home network is as tight as I know how to make it.

JD

Posted by: oatnet

quote:
Originally posted by jmrife
Some of us appreciate the ability to pre-order and the discount.

I would like to chime in and say that I too appreciate the pre-order and discount. THANK YOU!

JD

Posted by: Kamakzie

oatnet, is your virus scanner up to date?

Posted by: oatnet

quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
oatnet, is your virus scanner up to date?

Valid question.

Yep, I use Symantec and each of my workstations and servers automatically runs Live Update daily so that the signature file is no more than 24 hours old. I also have Windows update running daily.

Before posting I checked my machines and as of the noon scan today no viruses were found on any of them nor had there been any in the past year; I did an immediate live update (no new sig file) and a scan of my main workstation and it was reported clean.

That was all before I realized that email address should exist nowhere on my network to start with...

JD

Posted by: FuseWerx

Just wanted to chime in with my thanks to Robert. My order # is 1321X, so I'll be later in the line-up. Robert, you rock, keep it up, and don't let a few jerks get you down.

That being said, there is something that causes me to wonder when any of us will be getting our units. It was said that Hughes was going to make 200 units the first week; surely those aren't all destined for your front door. Do you have any promises from D* on how many units will be shipped to you each week for shipping to your customers? I'm sure I'll get mine from you before I could get it from any other retailer, so don't think I'm being one of those jerks. Just something that concerns me as a general enthusiast, not as a customer.

I intend to do business with VE again, period. His support of the community and his [potential|actual] customers is a good sign of his credibility as a business owner. Thanks again, Robert.

Posted by: dswallow

I'm wondering if DirecTV or Hughes hasn't really badly underestimated interest in and demand for this unit. Sure, there's not tens of thousands of people lining up yet, but how many people exist out there who buy this stuff and aren't participating online... there's got to be a whole lot more than are here, in general.

Posted by: MitsHD

Doug, I was actually thinking about that today. My thought was that we on this forum maybe represent 500-600 customers at most -- we just make a lot of noise (judging from this weekend's traffic). Beyond us, this thing may be a bit specialized -- first you have to get to the subset of people who have HD, and then to those who have D*, and then to those who want TIVO. So maybe 200 units per week as a steady state contract to the Mexican manufacturer isn't so crazy -- that's 10,000 units year 1. This forum is most likely an "amplifier" of the real demand.

Posted by: ebonovic

quote:
Originally posted by btwyx
I'm still the earliest order anyone's admitted to. The web site was less than 75 hits at the time, and somewhere they say they used 50 in testing. So I'm still hoping to get one of the first shipment.

Time of Order: 1/16/2004 10:51:25 AM
Order ID: 1248x

Now this is a flash in the past :) given the number of posts since then...

My Order ID: 1248x Time: 1/16/2004 11:13:35 AM

So you clipped me by about 20 minutes...

Posted by: harambur

JD,

It's really not surprising. Anyone on Robert's email list could be infected. The virus will simply grab the email address from outlook or internet cache, and send itself using your email address.

I see this all the time. I get an automated message saying I sent a virus to such and such a person. I never did. Simply that someone that has my email address got infected and the virus sent the infected email spoofing my address.

quote:
Originally posted by oatnet
WTF? I own the OAT.NET domain, and by some freak chance I happened to stumble across this posting! I do customize the email address to the company I am doing business with (anything addressed to oat.net ends up in my mailbox) so that I can tell who sells my info, so when I did MY Preorder I used valueelectronics@oat.net on the order form.

That order form was the first and ONLY time that email address was used, it exists nowhere else, I haven't even sent an email from my PC using it. Is it possible that valueeletronics has a virus that is sending out emails using the addresses of its customers?

JD

Posted by: btwyx

quote:
Originally posted by MitsHD
first you have to get to the subset of people who have HD,

Its larger than that, its the subset of people who want HD (which I'm assuming is a superset of those who have HD). I don't have HD, I want HD, but my desire for TiVO is stronger than my desire for HD.

Posted by: DTV TiVo Dealer

Bryan Lyle, so far the only person who got an email from valueelectronics@oat.net, who was one of a batch of 10 emails that went out on 2/28/04 at 11:31PM EST. We are trying to reach all 10 customers by phone and have left messages on most answering machines.

We have a team of IT people tearing apart every PC, server, router and thing I never even heard of at my office and home.

One thing for sure I just promised myself is that I will never be rushed again to deliver a project of this magnitude again.

Posted by: SteveHoltam

VE is just a business. Yeah, they are selling to us fanatics, but they are not doing anything but selling a product. They are making money on each of these units. They don't owe us any favors. Good Guys has/had the exact same offer, without all the hoopla here.

I doubt there is any conspiracy on their part to give priority to anyone person over another. They will sell as many as they get, I doubt they care who's money they take first, second or last. I take their word that they will go out first come, first serve.

I would suggest that if anyone is not happy with their "treatment" (of course expecting any service on a pre-order sounds like an oxymoron) then place orders elsewhere to cover your bases. Go with who ever can get you the unit first.

Just my two cents on the last eight pages....

Steve

Posted by: Stuigi

Have we broken the record yet for most BS on a thread.

Sadly I have become a part of the problem.

Robert, God bless your tolerance.

Posted by: PJO1966

quote:
Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer

One thing for sure I just promised myself is that I will never be rushed again to deliver a project of this magnitude again.

I can't say that I blame you, given the grief that you have had to deal with. Some people don't know a good thing when they see it. I for one am most grateful for the work you've been doing to ensure we will receive our HD TiVos in a timely fashion.

Posted by: ebonovic

Building off Robert's post above...

I was one of those batch of 10 messages.
I just talked to him on the phone, and while on the phone I opened each of the three attachments. No viruses.

Using Norton 2004, with today's live update.

Let me just say, it pretty upstanding for him to go and call us to make sure he didn't send us a virus...

And let me say... [thumping my chest] I am pretty confident and happy that I ordered VE, and that I will part of the race to post a user review of the HDTivo [/thumping my chest]

:)

Posted by: mercurial

Just got off the phone with Robert as well. Called to make sure I didn't get a virus. I must say if people want to continue to impugn his reputation, then I shall have to ask you to name a second so we can step outside and settle this like gentlemen... :)

BTW, for the record... I'm #3, I'm #3, I'm #3, I'm #3! Wooo-hoo!

(Or as my wife says, we'll get to find any remaining bugs... :) Maybe there is hope for her after all- A liberal arts major understanding the implications of being an early adopter... )

Posted by: DTV TiVo Dealer

I have contacted all 10 of the first email's we sent and no one has gotten a virus or received an email from valueelectronics@oat.***. I left voice messages on the 2 customers answering machines that I did not speak to personally.

I do not doubt Bryan Lyle's claim or problem, but it is isolated to him alone.

Posted by: capnsharpe

Nuts! I gave Robert the wrong userid for AVS... Do you suppose a telephone call is the best way to clear this up? I don't want to lose my place in line! :(

Posted by: ebonovic

quote:
Originally posted by mercurial

BTW, for the record... I'm #3, I'm #3, I'm #3, I'm #3! Wooo-hoo!

...A liberal arts major understanding the implications of being an early adopter... )

Blast you LAS major's, alwayse nipping us engineers by a few steps..
I am #5 :(

I bet you will able to write a more eliquent review too...

:)

Posted by: btwyx

quote:
Originally posted by ebonovic
I am #5 :(

That must make me number 4 then.

We know who #3 is, who are the remaining 2?

On a related note, I faxed in the forms, but I've never trusted faxes. For now I'm holding off checking up, they seem to have quite enough to cope with as is.

Posted by: btwyx

I should check my PMs, now I know I'm #4 without needing any logic.

I'm still reserving being really happy for when its in my hands and working, but for now :D.

Posted by: Bryan Lyle

Hi Robert!

Glad to hear you left me a message at home. I'll check it when I get there later tonight. I wasn't implying that anyone at Value Electronics sent me a virus. I was thinking that somebody might have picked up my email address from here and sent it directly to me.

The virus that was sent was Netsky-D (http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/intern...reut/index.html). If I'm the only one that this was sent to, I'm glad :)

Is there anyway you can resend me the email that was sent on 2/28? I never received it.

btw, Thanks for your hard work on this! We DO appreciate it!

Thanks!!
Bryan

Posted by: neilaevans

quote:
Originally posted by ebonovic
Blast you LAS major's, alwayse nipping us engineers by a few steps..
I am #5 :(

I bet you will able to write a more eliquent review too...

:)

I ordered at most 90 minutes after ebonovic (I ordered over the phone so never received the email confirmation so I can't say exactly when I ordered - but I did post that I was in at 12:44 east coast time that day - which is 90 minutes after ebonovic's order). It will be interesting to see how many of us ordered in that 90 minutes. I know I'm not in the first 10 (didn't receive the email) but I wonder...first 20, first 50, first 100? How crazy were we all that morning?

I'll let ya know whenever I find out!

Posted by: harambur

I also was not implying Robert had sent a virus, just that someone on that list could have had the virus already.

These days it isn't as easy to tell anymore who is the real sender of a virus.

Posted by: rvaniwaa

quote:
Originally posted by ebonovic
Now this is a flash in the past :) given the number of posts since then...

My Order ID: 1248x Time: 1/16/2004 11:13:35 AM

So you clipped me by about 20 minutes...

Since we now know ebovonic is 5, I REALLY want to know my spot. My order id:

1252x 1/16/2004 2:54:37 PM

Were there really 30-50 orders in the 3.5hrs between you and me? If so, is a spot of at most 54 (probably ~45, perhaps even less) going to be good enough for the first batch (I would think so)?? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE (I know, it is only a PVR...).

--Ron

Posted by: Bryan Lyle

For what it's worth, I'm glad to see that I'm high on the list...

Time of Order: 1/16/2004 11:15:09 AM
Order ID: 1248X

Posted by: harambur

Time of Order: 1/16/2004 1:07:21 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 12500

are the order numbers just for Tivo?

I have to say I have a good shot at being in the top 50. All I can say it was by luck I caught that banner when I did. I never read the bloody things.

I can taste it already!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: llogan

Robert, I'm sure you covered the exact procedures on what we need to do to find our place in line (sounds like filling out some paperwork, no big deal). Problem is that I've not received any emails from you guys recently and I guess with all the hoopla, I'm growing more interested in where I fall into the overall line. I can PM you my email address but don't feel like posting it here for what I hope you understand are obvious reasons. If you could just cover the basics as to what one needs to do at this point, it'd be greatly appreciated. Sorry if this is adding to your already overwhelming stack of emails, PMs, etc.

Posted by: sfoguy1

Here's mine:

Time of Order: 1/16/2004 10:05:38 PM
Order ID: 1260X

Where that leaves me... I haven't the foggiest.:confused:

Posted by: AV8NDV8

Time of Order: 1/16/2004 11:55:47 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1261#

Unlike you guys, I have a life (sometimes) and didn't get in 'til almost midnight. :)

No problem, I'll just be happy whenever it gets here. But if I'm not in the first shipment I'm gonna pitch such a fit........

Posted by: rogo

Mine:

Time of Order: 1/14/2004 11:46:20 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Of course, I inadvertantly ended up helping to troubleshoot the order page. :)

Anyway, from all I know, the delays and shortages are bona fide and it's wrongheaded to think otherwise. And, know, I have no source I'd be willing to reveal, but I do believe all the constraint stories are quite true.

Posted by: tomr

quote:
Originally posted by Stuigi
Have we broken the record yet for most BS on a thread.

Sadly I have become a part of the problem.

Robert, God bless your tolerance.

Nah, I can't remember the record but its over a hundred.

Posted by: dswallow

Order listing moved, for convenience, to http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...207#post1777207

Posted by: ebonovic

Now I think this thread has definently gone into to bonafide geek mode :)

Cool post Doug... :)

Posted by: tomr

I'll add to that:

Time of Order: 1/16/2004 2:56:45 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1252X

Posted by: Stuigi

Time of Order: 1/16/2004 10:36:26 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1260X

Posted by: Kamakzie

So it looks like I should possibly get in the first allocation or the 2nd one.

Posted by: Stuigi

...we need a 12 step program

Posted by: chriscic

So they're scheduled to build 200 the first week, and several hundred per week thereafter. And Value Electronics is scheduled to get the "lion's share" (whatever that means); even if they get more than any other retailer (which is also hard to believe) that's maybe 40 units the first week and maybe 75 each week thereafter. And that's if the production goes smoothly, which it most likely won't.

I may be sounding pessimistic but the above is based on a lot of experience lusting over new electronics products and then waiting... waiting... waiting. I'm guessing I'm 400-500 on the list and I bet I don't see mine 'til late May (don't help me out with the prediction though Robert!)

I'll enjoy my HDTivo whenever it gets here. Hey, its coming just when things start to get nice here in Chicago so maybe I won't miss it!

Just had to get my prediction on record so I can say I told ya' so later : )

BTW, I'm pretty annoyed I have to commit to another year to pay $1000 for a HDTivo. That stinks, but if that's DirecTV's and not VE's policy then they are to blame.

Posted by: ebonovic

1st step: hook up the HD-Dtivo
2nd step: turn on HD-Dtivo

Step 12: Install larger hard drive in HD-Dtivo ....

Posted by: neilaevans

My god Doug, you're officially insane!

And we love you for it ;)

Posted by: Stuigi

quote:
Originally posted by ebonovic
1st step: hook up the HD-Dtivo
2nd step: turn on HD-Dtivo

Step 12: Install larger hard drive in HD-Dtivo ....

Posted by: maharg18

Time of Order: 1/16/2004 1:53:56 PM
> Order Type: Email
> Order ID: 1251X

Posted by: llogan

1270x, Doug you're a maniac.... :D :D :D

I could've been 125xx but I had to 'think' about it, STUPID STUPID STUPID

Posted by: rgswff2

Time of Order: 1/16/2004 2:03:19 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1251x

Posted by: maharg18

quote:
Originally posted by llogan
I could've been 125xx but I had to 'think' about it, STUPID STUPID STUPID

You should know by now that when it comes to electronics, you should ALWAYS think with your heart, not your head!! ;)

Posted by: cheridave

Ok! I want to play too!

Time of Order: 1/17/2004 6:24:29 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1268x

Dave

Posted by: llogan

quote:
Originally posted by maharg18
You should know by now that when it comes to electronics, you should ALWAYS think with your heart, not your head!! ;)

And I generally do LOL.....my 50" plasma, 46" RPTV, 23" LCD TV, 15" LCD TV and 9 Tivos and god knows how many regular receivers...two XBOXes, two Buttkickers, HTPC, etc. are proof enough and you'd think after that I wouldn't think twice but was trying to do my due diligence of seeing what other offers were available to me and more importantly, determine if I wanted to continue on with my HiPix card (which I will for conflicts) or retire it in favor of one or two HD Tivos...maybe I'll get lucky and be in the first 200, who knows? update...guess not, #239 not too shabby though

Posted by: dcushing

Alright, I 'll add mine:

Time of Order: 1/16/2004 11:21:44 AM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1249X

Also got a call from Robert tonight, I'm number 8.

Dave

Posted by: llogan

I feel like I'm letting everyone down.... :( I'm number 239, damn even mercurial kicked my butt on this, of course there's not much I could've done I guess to be in the first 10 :)

Order Number 1270x

Posted by: Kamakzie

llogan, How did you get your exact number?

Posted by: stealthie1

Adding my $.02 worth:
Time of Order: 1/16/2004 4:39:47 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1255x

Simply salivating here waiting for it to arrive.

Posted by: buzzword

Count me in on the fun:

Time of Order: 1/17/2004 4:16:59 PM

Posted by: bjheels

Time of Order: 1/20/2004 5:01:12 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1290x

Guess I will be reading how you rapid orderers like your HD Tivo while I sit and wait for mine!

Posted by: randyth

Time of Order: 1/19/2004 11:07:21 AM
Order ID: 128XX

No email from Robert yet, but (unfortunately) there's plenty of time before April for it to arrive.

Posted by: forecheck

Wow Doug, nice work.

Here is another one:

Time of Order: 1/19/2004 1:30:13 AM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1277X

Posted by: gem

Haven't heard from Robert yet. Only able to fax today.
I'm ready and feeling good!

I'm guessing maybe number 10-15 based on dcushing.

Time of Order: 1/16/2004 12:47:22 PM
Order ID: 1249X

Posted by: compuz1

Time of Order: 1/17/2004 12:26:13 PM

YAY! At least im in the first 200! But we'll see how long that lasts...

Posted by: dswallow

I am now officially very tired of reading this thread. ;)

Posted by: Unbeliever

125xx
Time of Order: 1/16/2004 2:20:47 PM

Position #45

Oh, and I have yet to receive the email with the forms.

--Carlos V.

Posted by: jmhays

Time of Order: 2/16/2004 2:30:13 PM
Order Type: Phone (also ordered DirecTV with DirecTivo)
Order ID: 48,157,99X

Patiently waiting and not complaining that mine will not come until May!

Posted by: dr_mal

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
I am now officially very tired of reading this thread. ;)

Sorry, Doug, but I owe you for the sock talk ;)

Time of Order: 1/16/2004 4:41:28 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 12553

Position: #79

Posted by: neilaevans

[post deleted]
Never mind...I'm #18! :D

Posted by: mercurial

quote:
Originally posted by ebonovic
Blast you LAS major's, alwayse nipping us engineers by a few steps..
I am #5 :(

I bet you will able to write a more eliquent review too...

:)

Well, for the record, I'm a Software Engineering Geek Extraordinarie... :) My *WIFE* is a Liberal Arts major and I was commenting on how proud I was of her recently aquired savvy to realize without prompting that #3 probably meant one of the first 30-50 manufactured units and likely there could be a bug or two (mostly likely hardware but possibly software).

So far as writing an eloquent review, I did come "this' close to being a HS English teacher. But I had a school counselor offer these fateful words of advice, "Do you really want to spend the rest of your life in a classroom with a bunch of kids your age?" That pretty much made the decision between computer science and English education an easy one. Maybe I'll still pull off a well-written review- I was editor of our HS lit-mag, went to NC Governor's School in English, and was published in our state's HS lit-mag twice. I guess there are a couple of literary bones in my body.

But of course, I have to close with my favorite liberal arts joke:

Q: What does the Carolina grad say to the NC State grad?
A: You want fries with that?

:)

Posted by: mercurial

quote:
Originally posted by llogan
I feel like I'm letting everyone down.... :( I'm number 239, damn even mercurial kicked my butt on this, of course there's not much I could've done I guess to be in the first 10 :)

Order Number 1270x

Gee, thanks. Hey, just because I only have one HDTV (for now) and only the same number of TiVos as adults in the household (for now) and had to find the $99 D* HDTV deal through you doesn't mean I'm a complete boob when it comes to pre-ordering and early adopting. .. :)

Posted by: jrosen1040

I'll join in.

Order 5359X 1/20/2004 at 3:28PM

Posted by: Don in Virginia

I hope we get the HD Tivo in time for the Masters golf (April 8-11).

> Time of Order: 1/20/2004 8:01:12 PM
> Order Type: Email
> Order ID: 1291X

Posted by: Korkle

1/17/04, 12:02 pm, 1265X

Posted by: Kamakzie

I am #220.

Posted by: KCWolfPck

Dudes.....I'm pretty sure that nobody cares where you all are on the list. Let's get back to the good stuff. LMAO

Posted by: mercurial

quote:
Originally posted by KCWolfPck
Dudes.....I'm pretty sure that nobody cares where you all are on the list. Let's get back to the good stuff. LMAO

I'm sure you realize this is just a lot of testosterone driven posturing and good natured fun to pass the unbearable void that is March... Is it April yet? Oooppps... Wrong thread... :)

Posted by: Kamakzie

Hey if we all tell Doug our position in queue then when the orders start shipping we can say ours shipped and then we will know about when we will have ours sent! :D

Posted by: midas

quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
I am #220.

That's odd. Both our orders were placed before Robert said he hit 200. I haven't received a number yet but I was counting on it being around 175 or 180.

Posted by: Cadilon

This is a good idea!

Time of Order: 1/20/2004 12:39:42 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1289x

Posted by: BadlyDrawnBoy

Time of Order: 1/16/2004 2:29:16 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 12521

Posted by: edrock200

Does anyone mind if I start another thread discussing the delay? It seems that many members don't realize the product will be delayed and this thread is on page 45...

Posted by: bigpuma

quote:
Originally posted by edrock200
Does anyone mind if I start another thread discussing the delay? It seems that many members don't realize the product will be delayed and this thread is on page 45...

Wasn't this product supposed to ship in the 4th quarter of 2003? I think people are aware it is delayed :)

Feel free to start a new thread, you really don't need permission from anyone.

Posted by: btwyx

quote:
Originally posted by edrock200
Does anyone mind if I start another thread discussing the delay? It seems that many members don't realize the product will be delayed and this thread is on page 45...

Which particular delay are you thinking of. Currently it seems to be on track to get the pre-orders to the pre-orderees by the time specified, and some of us (:D) may be getting it earlier that that.

Posted by: ferky1

quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
I am #220.

Did you get this number from Robert? I haven't gotten mine yet, but yours seems higher than it should which means mine is going to be much higher than I thought.

According to Doug's excellent, yet geeky, breakdown of where everyone falls in relation to Robert's updates of the number of pre-orders received, Kamakzie should be under 200 because Robert reported that he hit 200 on 1-18, and Kamakzie ordered on 1-17. Actually, Robert specifically stated that it hit 219 on 1-19. You should be much lower than 220.

I got in at 10am on 1-19 and, using Doug's chart, should be between #200-219. As a matter of fact, Robert's post that he hit 219 in the afternoon of 1-19 was a direct response to my post that day asking where my order stood. Hmmm? Waiting for Robert. . . .

/who is the king of all geeks now?

Posted by: jb007

quote:
Originally posted by KCWolfPck
Dudes.....I'm pretty sure that nobody cares where you all are on the list. Let's get back to the good stuff. LMAO

That may be true, but to the extent it helps others determine where they are in line:

Time of Order: 1/16/2004 5:59:07 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 125XX
Place In Line: 91

Top 100 baby! Now, if anyone would like to "trade up" to my -- hopefully -- 1st round pick . . . maybe for two draft choices in a lower round when Value Elecronics starts taking pre-orders for the 500 gb models ;)

Posted by: BruceL

Did you all get your "number" by email from Robert? I emailed my forms back yesterday morning and have not heard from Robert.

Thanks - Bruce

Posted by: JLWINE

Doug I think you may have created a monster---

Here is mine:

Time of Order: 1/24/2004 12:51:50 AM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1304x

Posted by: KCWolfPck

quote:
Originally posted by jb007
That may be true, but to the extent it helps others determine where they are in line:

Time of Order: 1/16/2004 5:59:07 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 125XX
Place In Line: 91

But won't everyone in line find out for sure from Robert? Supposedly...yes. So why the need to waste space here?

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by BruceL
Did you all get your "number" by email from Robert? I emailed my forms back yesterday morning and have not heard from Robert.

He sent me a PM here in the forum.

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by KCWolfPck
But won't everyone in line find out for sure from Robert? Supposedly...yes. So why the need to waste space here?

Well, for one, this exercise keeps the discussion somewhat civil; and it turns it into something of a game, which is fun. :D

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by midas
That's odd. Both our orders were placed before Robert said he hit 200. I haven't received a number yet but I was counting on it being around 175 or 180.

That actually was exactly the sort of thing I was trying to figure out by compiling the list... get a feel for the number of actual orders. Besides, now it's pretty simple for us to know who's getting one.

Posted by: ebonovic

quote:
Originally posted by KCWolfPck
But won't everyone in line find out for sure from Robert? Supposedly...yes. So why the need to waste space here?

We are slowly rebuilding Robert's order list, as a backup in case something happens on his name ... :)

What's the harm, this thread has gone so far into the gutter there is no saving it....

Posted by: Kamakzie

Yeah I kinda wondered that myself but no complaints. Oh well at least we should get ours relatively quick.....

quote:
Originally posted by midas
That's odd. Both our orders were placed before Robert said he hit 200. I haven't received a number yet but I was counting on it being around 175 or 180.

Posted by: Kamakzie

Yeah Robert sent me a PM with the number.

quote:
Originally posted by ferky1
Did you get this number from Robert? I haven't gotten mine yet, but yours seems higher than it should which means mine is going to be much higher than I thought.

According to Doug's excellent, yet geeky, breakdown of where everyone falls in relation to Robert's updates of the number of pre-orders received, Kamakzie should be under 200 because Robert reported that he hit 200 on 1-18, and Kamakzie ordered on 1-17. Actually, Robert specifically stated that it hit 219 on 1-19. You should be much lower than 220.

I got in at 10am on 1-19 and, using Doug's chart, should be between #200-219. As a matter of fact, Robert's post that he hit 219 in the afternoon of 1-19 was a direct response to my post that day asking where my order stood. Hmmm? Waiting for Robert. . . .

/who is the king of all geeks now?

Posted by: jb007

quote:
Originally posted by KCWolfPck
But won't everyone in line find out for sure from Robert? Supposedly...yes. So why the need to waste space here?

Once again KCWolfPck you are correct. But you're missing the point. Everyone will find out the exact date they will receive their new HD TiVo when they actually take receipt of their new HD TiVo, but many folks are anxious and enjoy speculating/finding out where they are in line -- now -- before Robert even has the opportunity to send out emails with numbers, a task I might add, that seems of a large magnitude and to which Robert has stated he will not rush again (especially when he can only send out 12 emails at a time :) )

So, this is the pre-order thread and I find it fun, even if frustrating, not a waste of space :D

Posted by: dyanni

Time of Order: 1/16/2004 3:57:55 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1253X

Posted by: bquinlan

I tried to resist, but failed.

Time of Order: 1/18/2004 6:45:57 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1275X

Posted by: dropper

Time of Order: 1/26/2004 4:16:46 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1309x

So Doug's list was pretty accurate. Way too much time on his hands...

Keith

Posted by: kbcrowe

Why not,

Time of Order: 1/23/2004 8:31:38 AM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1302X

Posted by: lsdean

Time of Order: 1/17/2004 10:18:10 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1269X

Posted by: ebonovic

For this thread:
Which will come first? 1,000 posts or 100,000 views ?

Posted by: MichaelK

well since eveyone else did:

Time of Order: 1/19/2004 2:00:14 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 12823

Posted by: MichaelK

Doug-

you gonna update the spreadsheet?

:-)

Posted by: gene1138

Since I'm a follower not a leader :)

Time of Order: 1/19/2004 11:37:10 AM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1280X

Posted by: dswallow

Order listing moved, for convenience, to http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...052#post1797052

Posted by: hongcho

Maybe doug should have this as a separate sticky thread... :p

I haven't heard from Robert yet, but from the timestamp, I'd be in 50-60 range...

Hong.

Posted by: Alexander

Time of Order: 1/18/2004 6:29:56 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 12748

Way sketchy. I feel misled.

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by hongcho
I haven't heard from Robert yet, but from the timestamp, I'd be in 50-60 range...

I couldn't quite tell from all the postings here when you ordered, so you're not listed. Hint. Hint. :D

Posted by: aejanis

Time of Order: 1/22/2004 2:25:53 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 12991

No PM or update from Robert yet on my position. (I did fax my stuff over to them)

Posted by: PJO1966

It looks like I'm right at the 50 mark... thanks for spelling it all out for us Doug. The info was all there, the rest of us were just too busy (read lazy) to compile it all.

Posted by: Korkle

Doug --- you rock! Thanks

Posted by: Stuigi

quote:
Originally posted by aejanis

No PM or update from Robert yet on my position. (I did fax my stuff over to them)

Posted by: capnsharpe

If that list is right then I might be in the first 200. With the way my luck has been running lately, I'll probably lose my place for confusing my numerous ht forum userids.

And I have heard from Robert either. :(

order id: 1271x time of order: 1/18/2004 10:35:20am

Posted by: CyberTom

Time of Order: 1/22/2004 8:34:06 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 13007

Here's mine

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by capnsharpe
If that list is right then I might be in the first 200. With the way my luck has been running lately, I'll probably lose my place for confusing my numerous ht forum userids.

And I have heard from Robert either. :(

order id: 1271x time of order: 1/18/2004 10:35:20am

Actually I'd be guessing more around #240-250. If the list is right.

Posted by: davidmin

Time of Order: 1/16/2004 6:48:14 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1257X

David

Posted by: KaGe

Long time lurker, first time poster but here goes nothing....

Time of Order: 1/19/2004 10:06:44 AM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 127**

Rock on Everybody!

Posted by: JohnA

I had my PM turned off. Wonder if Robert tried to PM me? It is now turned on.

Posted by: mercurial

We know that rogo is a good bet for #1 but he could be #2. I can't believe people that high up are lurking and not posting... Just curious to know who they are so we can fill in the top two slots on Doug's list definitively.

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by mercurial
We know that rogo is a good bet for #1 but he could be #2. I can't believe people that high up are lurking and not posting... Just curious to know who they are so we can fill in the top two slots on Doug's list definitively.

You better look again.

Posted by: TiVolunteer

Time of Order: 1/18/2004 6:52:11 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1275X

Posted by: MikeSRC

Great work on the list, Doug!

Here's my details:

Time of Order: 1/19/2004 11:01:46 AM
Order ID: 127XX

Got the new email with attachments from Robert on Saturday.

Some of what's been posted here confirms my decision not to take orders on new products until I know they're on their way to me. Changes to release dates, product allocation etc. always lead to some unhappy customers. My hat's off to you Robert for the way you've handled the situation. Thanks for keeping us informed on the progress. :up:

Posted by: neilaevans

Just who is this mysterious, non-posting, yet-slot-#1-having yurkope? He/She must be one of Robert's friends that we were being warned about earlier! I smell conspiracy, fraud, (not to mention the bacon I cooked for breakfast)! :)

Come on yurkope, introduce yourself! We're a friendly bunch...well, mostly.

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by neilaevans
Just who is this mysterious, non-posting, yet-slot-#1-having yurkope? He/She must be one of Robert's friends that we were being warned about earlier! I smell conspiracy, fraud, (not to mention the bacon I cooked for breakfast)! :)

Come on yurkope, introduce yourself! We're a friendly bunch...well, mostly.

Yes, introduce yourself, yurkope!

But the PM I got from yurkope said it was the result of a lucky hunch and a PM to Robert asking about preordering possibilities.

Posted by: gem

:D Got my PM from Robert.

Time of Order: 1/16/2004 12:47:22 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 12497
Position: 15

WOW!

Posted by: PJO1966

So we have this yurkope person to thank for putting the idea in Robert's head? All Hail yurkope!!

Posted by: mercurial

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
You better look again.

Did you just edit the last update or am I completely blind? I guess yurkope and rogo are my icebergs... No wonder I didn't see them in your post until it was too late... :) So much for king of the world... ;)

A guess a bronze medal in the TiVolympics isn't too bad... :)

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by mercurial
Did you just edit the last update or am I completely blind? I guess yurkope and rogo are my icebergs... No wonder I didn't see them in your post until it was too late... :) So much for king of the world... ;)

Your post was at 1:40pm; my last edit where I added the #1 slot was at 1:35pm. I know; I looked after I posted that response to you because I knew someone'd claim I did it after. :D

Oh oh... I'm coming up on a YAMM... well, I better actually go to work now.

Posted by: neilaevans

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
But the PM I got from yurkope said it was the result of a lucky hunch and a PM to Robert asking about preordering possibilities.

Just goes to show you how much extra brain power you can have if you're not wasting it posting to this darn board all the time! We were all too busy asking each other if we'd found a place to pre-order, whether the HDTivo can be upgraded, and a billion meaningless technical fetish questions to think of yurkope's much simpler and more direct approach!

:D

Posted by: mercurial

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Your post was at 1:40pm; my last edit where I added the #1 slot was at 1:35pm. I know; I looked after I posted that response to you because I knew someone'd claim I did it after. :D

Oh oh... I'm coming up on a YAMM... well, I better actually go to work now.

YAMM? You mean your post "odometer" rolling over?

Perhaps I didn't see it because subconsciously I was hoping that #1 would say something like "demo unit" so I'd technically get the silver... Where's someone to bust some kneecaps when you need 'em?

:D

Posted by: SFWidescreen

Time of Order: 1/16/2004 4:36:49 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1255X

Looks like I'm in the first 100. No official word from Robert yet.

-Curtis

Posted by: jkeane

It's a slow day at work.........

1/16 4:37:02 125xx

Posted by: Kamakzie

Warning to all pre-order folks and to Robert, I just got this email in my box and luckily Yahoo caught it as spam. The .pif is infected with W32.Netsky.D@mm

From: valueelectronics@eden2.com Add to Address Book
To: xxxxxxx@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Your document
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 09:49:14 -0500

Please have a look at the attached file.

Attachment

your_document.pif
.pif file

Scan and Download Attachment
Scan and Save to my Yahoo! Briefcase

Posted by: dandrewk

Ok, include me. Even though Rogo will beat me. I have no pride.

1/16/2004 3:43 PM
125xx

Of course, if I don't get the unit anytime in March, I won't blame Hughes. Or Robert.

I will blame Doug... :D

Posted by: gcawad

Ok here it is. I had hoped to be around 175 but looks like I am way higher than that.

1st Unit
Time of Order: 1/18/2004 8:57:25 AM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1270X

2nd Unit
Time of Order: 1/19/2004 11:33:31 AM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1280X

Posted by: borghe

why not:

Time of Order: 1/19/2004 9:41:24 AM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 127xx

I have yet to return my forms though... maybe I'll do that this afternoon...

oh, and thanks robert for all you're doing... it looks like most of the goons trying to start s*** in this thread have been weeded out.. just us grateful folk left now..

Posted by: llogan

Alas, while a 2nd and 3rd HD Tivo is in the overall plan, I'm not yet at the point where I'm committing to them.

Posted by: micah67

Time of Order: 2/17/2004 2:54:13 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 13491

Thanks Robert!

Thanks Doug!

Posted by: sotapoppy

I received an email similar to Kamakzie's referred above except mine came from xxxxx@rossfam.com sent to me at xxxxxx@yahoo.com. I don't recognize rossfam.com.

2/5/04 4:19:03PM
Order 13303

Posted by: StephenT

Just because you guys really seem to be enjoying compiling that list:

1/16/2004 11:49:38 AM

Posted by: Bryan Lyle

This looks very similar to what I had yesterday. So, somebody is infected somewhere... Mine came from oat.net.

Posted by: bigpuma

Can someone please tell me why I keep reading this thread. I haven't pre-ordered nor do I plan to but you guys are too funny.

Posted by: hongcho

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
I couldn't quite tell from all the postings here when you ordered, so you're not listed. Hint. Hint. :D

Oh, it's just that I wanted to give you more complete information (that is, my place in the list). But if you'd like, below is my info. I haven't heard from Robert, so I don't know where I am in the list exactly.

Time of Order: 1/16/2004 3:35:14 PM
Order Type: Email

Oh, Doug, really, you need a separate thread for this. :p

Hong.

Posted by: jagerbuddy

Just to give Doug something to do with his time

1/16/2004 11:50:15 AM
Order ID: 12494

Posted by: dmaneyapanda

Time of Order: 1/19/2004 8:45:26 PM
Order ID: 1286X

Posted by: DavidAsher

I also got a netsky virus on Monday.

it came from xxxxxx@comcast.net to my yahoo email.

Posted by: Alexander

quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
Warning to all pre-order folks and to Robert, I just got this email in my box and luckily Yahoo caught it as spam. The .pif is infected with W32.Netsky.D@mm

From: valueelectronics@eden2.com Add to Address Book
To: xxxxxxx@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Your document
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 09:49:14 -0500

Please have a look at the attached file.

Hm, that email address is mine, only given to VE (obviously), and all the computers here are Macs. I therefore presume that Robert has a small problem. :/

P.S.: Why didn't you attach the file in your post? ;) ;) ;) :p

Posted by: dswallow

FYI to you people reporting receiving virus emails that may've originated from Robert, read this post and the few that follow, up through Robert's reply: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...274#post1775274 through http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...764#post1775764

Now repeat after me: Read this thread. The ENTIRE thread. And you will gain knowledge. :)

Posted by: Kamakzie

Doug I have read this thread up and down and as far as I knew Robert thought it was isolated. Apparantly this netsky virus is spoofing addresses. We need the death penalty for virus creators. :D

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
Doug I have read this thread up and down and as far as I knew Robert thought it was isolated. Apparantly this netsky virus is spoofing addresses. We need the death penalty for virus creators. :D

And the cute thing is the only reason we were able to track it down to Robert as the source so quickly was because some people use unique email addresses when filling out online order forms. ;)

I think Robert might've been thinking it was limited to only people he sent email too, forgetting that the virus would've been acting on its own sending out emails and it wouldn't have been limited only to those people to whom Robert had emailed.

If any of you who got the virus can check the timestamps in the header, and it's more recent than around the time last night Robert was informed of this, you might want to PM him, or send him an email, alerting him that it's still apparently active on one of his machines.

Posted by: mercurial

quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
Doug I have read this thread up and down and as far as I knew Robert thought it was isolated. Apparantly this netsky virus is spoofing addresses. We need the death penalty for virus creators. :D

While I agree that the viruses are evil- wouldn't a more humane solution be to get the virus writers a girlfriend?

Posted by: dswallow

Order listing moved, for convenience, to http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...052#post1797052

Posted by: jeffshome

Thanks Doug for all your hard work.

Time of Order: 1/20/2004 9:39:50 AM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1288x

Posted by: ferky1

Doug, anyone - do we have any idea how/why Kamakzie and llogan are #220 and #239 when they ordered on 1/17 and 1/18 respectively, yet we can quote Robert as saying that they hit 219 on 1/19 at 1pm? Bumps my butt back a bit.

Also, to give a bit more info about my order:

1/19/04 10:23am
phone order
order #53575

Posted by: Kamakzie

ROFL, good point. But if they continue even after getting a GF then death is the only answer :)

quote:
Originally posted by mercurial
While I agree that the viruses are evil- wouldn't a more humane solution be to get the virus writers a girlfriend?

Posted by: Kamakzie

I deleted it but I did send Robert a PM with the contents of the message, attachment not included :)

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
If any of you who got the virus can check the timestamps in the header, and it's more recent than around the time last night Robert was informed of this, you might want to PM him, or send him an email, alerting him that it's still apparently active on one of his machines.

Posted by: harambur

doug i am a virgo. can you add an extra column to your spreadsheet :D

Posted by: btwyx

quote:
Originally posted by harambur
i am a virgo.

Are you saying you want a girlfriend too?

(Aquarius if anyone asks.)

Posted by: dswallow

Hey Robert!

Considering the level of interest in this, perhaps you'd be interested in raising a little money for charity...

How about auctioning to the highest bidder one opportunity to move into the #1 position, and until such time as the unit actually ships, people can continue raising the bid for it.

Donate the proceeds to a specified charitable organization.

You could even make it even more interesting in that all bids must be paid... not just the winning bidder's. :D

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by mercurial
While I agree that the viruses are evil- wouldn't a more humane solution be to get the virus writers a girlfriend?

Obviously you've just been lucky in the sorts of girlfriends you've had.

Posted by: mercurial

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
How about auctioning to the highest bidder one opportunity to move into the #1 position, and until such time as the unit actually ships, people can continue raising the bid for it.

Why is the man always trying to keep me down? :confused:

You just want to push me down to #4! I know it! It's a conspiracy... :eek:

Posted by: hjones4841

Here's a hot idea When our units ship, let's post all our UPS/Fedex tracking numbers so we can monitor everybody's shipping progress.;)

Posted by: mercurial

quote:
Originally posted by hjones4841
Here's a hot idea When our units ship, let's post all our UPS/Fedex tracking numbers so we can monitor everybody's shipping progress.;)

I'm sorry, did you say something? I couldn't hear as I was too busy falling off a turnip truck... :rolleyes:

Posted by: richhurley

Thanks Doug.

Time of Order: 1/23/2004 4:15:29 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1304X

Posted by: mercurial

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Obviously you've just been lucky in the sorts of girlfriends you've had.

Hey, my wife let me buy a Sammy 61" DLP set, all new speakers, and a HR10-250... I can't complain about my fate. Maybe we should give them a girlfriend and after a couple of months check back and see if they'd rather get the chair?

Posted by: SteveWinNJ

Order Date: 1/19/2004 12:33 AM
Order number: 1277*

It looks like Robert's estimate for units sold on 1/18 and 1/19 were understating the number by at least 50-75 units. I guess I'm kicked back big time..oh well.... :(

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by ferky1
Doug, anyone - do we have any idea how/why Kamakzie and llogan are #220 and #239 when they ordered on 1/17 and 1/18 respectively, yet we can quote Robert as saying that they hit 219 on 1/19 at 1pm? Bumps my butt back a bit.

An interesting anomaly. Either Robert wasn't keeping count well back then, or maybe the positions given to them aren't correct -- it is a little strange we've not had any more reports of assigned positions anywhere near those numbers.

Posted by: btwyx

quote:
Originally posted by mercurial
Why is the man always trying to keep me down? :confused:

You just want to push me down to #4! I know it! It's a conspiracy... :eek:

As long as there arn't only 4 delivered in the first week I'm OK with the idea. But someone could be very annoyed, depending on how many are delivered that first week.

Posted by: SteveWinNJ

quote:
Originally posted by btwyx
As long as there arn't only 4 delivered in the first week I'm OK with the idea. But someone could be very annoyed, depending on how many are delivered that first week.

That someone includes me, but as they say here in New Joisy....'Whayda gonna do?"

With Robert's post on 1/19 at 1:18 pm that they just hit 219, I figured my order at 12:30am that day would have me right around the 200 mark. Great news...nope! Now, I'll be lucky to make 300! (Order date 1/19, 12:33 am)

I'm just hoping production will ramp up to get the units in my eager little hands quicker!

:D

Posted by: JohnA

Looks like some people butted up in line as compared to Roberts original counts made in real time. All those that line busted reveal yourselves. Your fate will be determined by the masses!

Posted by: Stuigi

...that the virus writer is not a female and is not gay!

quote:
Originally posted by mercurial
While I agree that the viruses are evil- wouldn't a more humane solution be to get the virus writers a girlfriend?

Posted by: mercurial

quote:
Originally posted by Stuigi
...that the virus writer is not a female and is not gay!

You're right, I'm an evil, sexist, homophobic virus writer that had nothing better to do than to make a flippant comment without fully qualifying all the possibilities. Heaven forbid I do such a heinous thing on a forum. Surely it is a first.

For the record, my best friend (and best man at my wedding) is gay. I work with several women who would be quite capable of writing a virus if so inclined. However since it would somehow inappropriate for me to make a joke based on assuming that the gender of the virus writer was male and his sexual orientation was heterosexual (despite the vast case history that shows most identified virus/worm authors are young males), I will make the following revision:

While I agree that the viruses are evil- wouldn't a more humane solution be to get the virus writers a girlfriend/boyfriend/harem/asexual acquaintance/farm animal of their choice?

Happier? Now can we get back to discussing our place in line and how long March 2004 is going to feel?

:p

Posted by: harambur

no way i will give out my tracking number. enuff zealots on this board to hide behind the bushes and take my hd tivo as the ups guy leaves it on the porch!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: ferky1

I'd love to know what Robert thinks about all of this.

Not the girlfriend/boyfriend/harem/asexual acquaintance/farm animal stuff, the pre-order stuff :rolleyes:

Posted by: Stuigi

quote:
Originally posted by mercurial

While I agree that the viruses are evil- wouldn't a more humane solution be to get the virus writers a girlfriend/boyfriend/harem/asexual acquaintance/farm animal of their choice?

:p

Posted by: Stuigi

Has anyone else noticed how large the conspiracy is that is making us wait so long for our much desired HDTivo's.

Now they want us to believe that February had 29 days using a term called 'Leap year'

Sure, right, think we were all born yesterday. I'll tell ya where to leap!

What next, March will have 40 days?

Posted by: mercurial

quote:
Originally posted by ferky1
I'd love to know what Robert thinks about all of this.

Not the girlfriend/boyfriend/harem/asexual acquaintance/farm animal stuff, the pre-order stuff :rolleyes:

I'd hope he's suitably amused.... by both... :) I have a feeling he is the only one around here that really has work to do at the moment and probably isn't reading... :)

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by mercurial
For the record, my best friend (and best man at my wedding) is gay.

Is he single? employed? have a car? cute? doesn't use drugs? huge trust fund not necessary but a plus.

:p

Posted by: Scott R. Scherr

Okay, I ordered on 1/31/04. #13199.

Scott R. Scherr

Posted by: JEbbesen

WTH

Time of Order: 1/19/2004 7:39:32 AM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1278X

Posted by: llogan

>Time of Order: 1/18/2004 7:43:54 AM
>Order Type: Email
>Order ID: 1270x

I don't know why, but it was bothering me that doug had me down as 8:06AM...I know I must have some better things to do with my time, I must, they're around here somewhere...now where did I leave that remote? ;)

And, on a different topic, I feel sorry for Robert if he's not checking this forum every 10 minutes because he'll have to read through another 5 pages just to figure out where we are...oh wait I guess that doesn't matter since we're not saying anything substantive anyway... :)

Posted by: dswallow

Anyone want to buy my place in line for US$2,000? :D

Posted by: Kamakzie

:eek: That is about as bad as some of the retailers selling the 921 on Ebay for $1500+ :D

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Anyone want to buy my place in line for US$2,000? :D

Posted by: the-sloth

robert sure is tough to get in touch with... he told me to call him monday and i did. woman who answered said he was not there.. i left a message and she said he would call me back tuesday... asked her if she could do us both a favor and email me the CC authorization form.. she says no problem... so at 5pm the following day (today/tuesday), no call or forms in my inbox, so i try again.. different woman, still no robert. asked her to send me the forms that i have yet to receive. she says she will send them immediately. i'm patiently waiting... but i don't see how hard it could possibly be to compose an email and attach a document, then click send. providing their DNS is working, the email should take 30 seconds tops... but 5 min and nothing. i was hoping to have this thing sent out before i left work... doesn't look like its going to happen.

i don't think i've ever had to do so much work to get someone to take $1,000 from me.

Posted by: jb007

quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Anyone want to buy my place in line for US$2,000? :D

Hmmm...that depends. Do you sometimes go by the name of yurkope ? :D

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by the-sloth
robert sure is tough to get in touch with... he told me to call him monday and i did. woman who answered said he was not there.. i left a message and she said he would call me back tuesday... asked her if she could do us both a favor and email me the CC authorization form.. she says no problem... 5pm, and no call or forms in my inbox, so i try again.. different woman, still no robert. asked her to send me the forms that i have yet to receive. she says she will send them immediately. i'm patiently waiting... but i don't see how hard it could possibly be to compose an email and attach a document, then click send. providing their DNS is working, the email should take 30 seconds tops... but 5 min and nothing. i was hoping to have this thing sent out before i left work... doesn't look like its going to happen.

i don't think i've ever had to do so much work to get someone to take $1,000 from me.

Don't panic. I just spoke to him in the last hour. They are having some big virus issues right now which can't be helping his ability to accomplish sending out emails to people. Give him time. You're really not going to suffer at all waiting a day or two for those forms to get to you.

However, if you feel it's really truly urgent, PM me your email address, and I can forward a copy of what I got. There's nothing in it order-specfic, just on one form you'll be filling in your order number.

Posted by: dswallow

quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
:eek: That is about as bad as some of the retailers selling the 921 on Ebay for $1500+ :D

I'm not offering to sell my unit for $2,000. I'm offering you my place in line for $2,000. You'll still have to pay the ~$899 (presuming you also pay the $100 deposit up front).

Actually I'm not necessarily offering; I'm just looking to be tempted. I may or may not accept the offer, so feel free to offer more, if interested.

Just wanted to clarify. ;)

Posted by: Marco

Time of Order: 1/20/2004 10:12:05 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 12922

Hoping for Stanley Cup Finals in HD...

Posted by: Kamakzie

dswallow, so only $2899? Hot damn what a deal! :p

Posted by: Bryan Lyle

Sorry, just had to be post 1000... Nothing to read here... Please move on :)