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Posted by: Marcus Alzona
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
This is a list of pre-orders through Value Electronics for the HR10-250 Hughes DirecTV HD DVR. It has been accumulated from information posted in this thread and is in no way an official list provided by Value Electronics. Because this represents only self-reported information, it is not a complete listing of all pre-orders. If you're not listed (or your listing contains only partial or approximate information), post your order information in this thread and it will be added/updated. This listing is updated often and will be regularly reposted in this thread to keep it within the last 80 or so posts.
code:
yurkope 1247x 1/13/2004 #1
rogo xxxxx 1/14/2004 11:46:20 PM
.....
Doug - perhaps you should create a new thread for this, with the list as the first post, and keep updating/editing that first post as you get more information.
For an example of something like this, see the Washington DC / Baltimore HD Information thread on AVS - h**p://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?threadid=275834 (I would make this a normal url, except I haven't posted enough here yet).
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by Marcus Alzona
Doug - perhaps you should create a new thread for this, with the list as the first post, and keep updating/editing that first post as you get more information.
For an example of something like this, see the Washington DC / Baltimore HD Information thread on AVS - h**p://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?threadid=275834 (I would make this a normal url, except I haven't posted enough here yet).
Someone's already suggested it. I'm resisting for a couple reasons...
1) It's fun to see this thread get such a high number of posts and viewers and any new thread would be starting from 0 again.
2) By my reposting it every 2 pages (if you set each page to 40 posts displayed), I at least get one more postcount now and then for all the effort involved in updating the list. ;) Plus I get to answer suggestions like yours with another post!
3) More people are already subscribed to this thread, so by continuing to post related info in it, more people are likely to (eventually) visit it and add their info to the list.
4) Since there will come a time all pre-orders are shipped, it's not really an ongoing FAQ-like thread where it'll be around forever and reference forever, so it doesn't matter as much as those threads people will go to for the most current info on a subject forever.
Posted by: MikeSRC
Well, without beating this subject into the ground, the law referenced was really set up in hopes that the federal government will eventually require sales tax to be charged in all states for internet sales.
Case law dictates that a "substantial nexus" be established between the business and their operation in a state to require the collection of sales tax and has interpreted the law much more narrowly than the broad interpretation that can be made from reading section 6203.
That being said, I suppose there's a chance in a million that the state could attempt to collect sales tax from VE and be successful, but they haven't tried it to date with anyone else to my knowledge. It would be easier to go after the residents (like me ;) ) who are required to pay that tax (which nobody does). I'd hate to have to come out of retirement and reactivate my CA State Bar membership.
Anyway, it makes for good discussion.
Posted by: btwyx
quote:
Originally posted by JohnA
Anyone in California that ordered will now have to pay sales tax. What is it about 7% out there!
8.25 where I live. In theory anyone in California is already supposed to pay tax on it, they're even giving us a line on our state tax form where we can fess up to such out of state purchases. (Previously you had to go fill out some forms no one knew about, no one did.) So we can't hide from it.
Of course, this is not a sales tax, its a "use tax" (it just quacks like a sales tax). I just fail to see how this blatently unconstitutional imposition ever got past the supreme court.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by MikeSRC
Anyway, it makes for good discussion.
3 or 4 more weeks of trying to find things to talk about... any ideas for the next topic we should take on? I really thought this one would last more than a few hours. :)
Posted by: MikeSRC
quote:
Originally posted by btwyx
In theory anyone in California is already supposed to pay tax on it, they're even giving us a line on our state tax form where we can fess up to such out of state purchases. (Previously you had to go fill out some forms no one knew about, no one did.) So we can't hide from it.
As are those in New York.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...tc_cmp/18202028
Maybe that will help keep it going, Doug. :D
Posted by: midas
Well anybody in the first batch that's in California, I would be more than willing to trade places with you so you don't have to pay sales tax.
Posted by: mercurial
quote:
Originally posted by Hootydog
At something around 400+ I hope I have reasonable expectations to receive by my Birthday of 4/24
Hey, happy birthday, that's my birthday, too. Yeah!
Posted by: Darin
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
I at least get one more postcount now and then for all the effort involved in updating the list.
And he's less than 3000 from being able to turn them in for a new blender. You guys don't really think he's doing all this out of the goodness of his heart, do you?
Posted by: PJO1966
quote:
Originally posted by midas
Well anybody in the first batch that's in California, I would be more than willing to trade places with you so you don't have to pay sales tax.
Hmmmm... NO!
At least I thought about it for a moment...
Posted by: dandrewk
Anyone know where in CA he is planning to ship from? TiVO is in the SF Area. If that is where he will ship from, I will SO do the short drive and pick one up...
Posted by: mercurial
quote:
Originally posted by Darin
And he's less than 3000 from being able to turn them in for a new blender. You guys don't really think he's doing all this out of the goodness of his heart, do you?
Wait, I thought one more and he got a toaster oven?
:D
Posted by: MikeSRC
quote:
Originally posted by dandrewk
Anyone know where in CA he is planning to ship from? TiVO is in the SF Area. If that is where he will ship from, I will SO do the short drive and pick one up...
This has nothing to do with Tivo. It's the manufacturer for DirecTv/Hughes in Mexico, which will presumably send them in through L.A.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by MikeSRC
This has nothing to do with Tivo. It's the manufacturer for Hughes in Mexico, which will presumably send them in through L.A.
San Diego.
Posted by: MikeSRC
. . . or San Diego. :D
No sense making those burros walk all the way to L.A.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by MikeSRC
(Proud Tivo user and forum member since Nov., 1999)
TiVo is a registered trademark of TiVo Inc. You've misspelled it in your signature. :D
Posted by: MikeSRC
That's to avoid copyright infringement. :D
Posted by: vstone
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
TiVo is a registered trademark of TiVo Inc. You've misspelled it in your signature. :D
So I guess it's DirecTiVo instead of DirecTivo!
Posted by: JohnA
Over 8% sales tax!! Yikes, why do you people live there! The weather can't be that nice.
Posted by: MikeSRC
quote:
Over 8% sales tax!! Yikes, why do you people live there! The weather can't be that nice.
Actually, it is. :)
Posted by: Mr Pieces
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
3 or 4 more weeks of trying to find things to talk about... any ideas for the next topic we should take on? I really thought this one would last more than a few hours. :)
What is going on in your little picture?
Posted by: Darin
Actually, I've wondered that as well. ;)
Posted by: btwyx
quote:
Originally posted by JohnA
Over 8% sales tax!! Yikes, why do you people live there! The weather can't be that nice.
That's one good reason, along with the money (if you can get a job) and a relaxed atmosphere. Sales tax may be 8.25%, but property taxes are severly constrained thanks to prop 13. (Around 1% of the price you payed, whenever that might have been).
So where do you live? You don't admit to it.
Posted by: JohnTivo
quote:
Originally posted by JohnA
Over 8% sales tax!! Yikes, why do you people live there! The weather can't be that nice.
Hmmm. Born here, went to school here, got a job here... Both my wife's parents and my parents live here (As well as the rest of our combined families)... The weather is great... can get to the Mountains within a hour or two drive.... The beach much less depending on where you live...
The only issue I have with where I live is the Traffic (Yes, that's a captial T).
Posted by: Cudahy
About a hundred pages ago I thought I read a post by Robert that the first shipment was March 22nd and it was only half of the original pre-order. I assume that other pre-orders(like GoodGuys that I preordered from) would also be about half. Is that where it stands now?
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by Cudahy
About a hundred pages ago I thought I read a post by Robert that the first shipment was March 22nd and it was only half of the original pre-order. I assume that other pre-orders(like GoodGuys that I preordered from) would also be about half. Is that where it stands now?
See my post on the subject: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...179#post1783179
That's about the latest understanding of what is going on, without anything on Robert's plan to meet the shipment in San Diego after it clears US Customs and send them out to us directly from there (which is still a maybe).
Posted by: falstaffpac
>>What is going on in your little picture?
Well it's about time somebody asked! I've wanted to since I joined this forum but since I'm relatively new I figured everyone already knew the story. I must admit I find it slightly disturbing.
Perhaps I'll post a picture of myself with someone's butt in the background :eek:
j/k
:D
Posted by: gem
quote:
Originally posted by JohnTivo
Hmmm. Born here, went to school here, got a job here... Both my wife's parents and my parents live here (As well as the rest of our combined families)... The weather is great... can get to the Mountains within a hour or two drive.... The beach much less depending on where you live...
The only issue I have with where I live is the Traffic (Yes, that's a captial T).
I totally agree with JohnTivo! Since I grew up here as well, we know the short cuts to avoid the traffic. Doesn't always work but, hey you can get a tan while waiting. Yes even in the winter!
Also the internet provides relief from the sales tax. At least we are all counting on that.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by falstaffpac
>>What is going on in your little picture?
Well it's about time somebody asked! I've wanted to since I joined this forum but since I'm relatively new I figured everyone already knew the story. I must admit I find it slightly disturbing.
Perhaps I'll post a picture of myself with someone's butt in the background :eek:
Maybe it would be more fun to ask what people think is going on in the background of my picture. Ask questions that require only a yes or no answer, and I'll respond. When you've clarified it completely and accurately, I'll say so.
Posted by: falstaffpac
Ok, I'll play. Is it a party?
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by falstaffpac
Ok, I'll play. Is it a party?
No.
Posted by: mercurial
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Maybe it would be more fun to ask what people think is going on in the background of my picture. Ask questions that require only a yes or no answer, and I'll respond. When you've clarified it completely and accurately, I'll say so.
Hmmm...
Half-naked guy... (I say HALF since that's all we can see)
Doug in front smiling...
Can't see Doug's hands...
Ain't touching this one... Nope... No way... No how...
:D
Posted by: JohnTivo
quote:
Originally posted by mercurial
Hmmm...
Half-naked guy... (I say HALF since that's all we can see)
Doug in front smiling...
Can't see Doug's hands...
Ain't touching this one... Nope... No way... No how...
:D
Aside from the HNG, the background looks like it could be a slidding door or some sort of full length window... reflecting the setting sun maybe. My guess is a BBQ on patio or balcony. HNG could be just trying to get a tan. :)
Posted by: Mr Pieces
I am too affraid to guess.
Posted by: dcushing
Is it your boyfriend/partner??
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by dcushing
Is it your boyfriend/partner??
No.
Posted by: Kamakzie
A male stripper?
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
No.
Posted by: KaGe
Was it taken at Walt Disney World (did a bit of research which is really really sad)?
Posted by: gem
Is it a poster?
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by KaGe
Was it taken at Walt Disney World (did a bit of research which is really really sad)?
No.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by gem
Is it a poster?
No.
Posted by: Darin
Were you on vacation?
Posted by: dswallow
Order listing moved, for convenience, to http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...052#post1797052
Posted by: edrock200
Bachelor party or strip club?
Posted by: Kamakzie
OK Doug I guess we need a hint since we have no idea.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by Darin
Were you on vacation?
<consulting with judges>
<consulting continues>
<...>
<judges consult definition of 'vacation'>
Yes.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
OK Doug I guess we need a hint since we have no idea.
I've said exactly what the picture is of and where it was taken several times in this forum over the last 4 or 5 months.
Good luck finding it amidst some 7,182 posts, though. ;)
Posted by: cpreese
Ok, I'm slow to post too.
Time of Order: 1/18/2004 11:20:38 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1277x
Posted by: Kamakzie
I am a relative newbie. :)
Posted by: HDTivo4prez
A question for the masses:
I know the HD Tivo will come standard with a WD250GB HDD. Do you know if it is upgradeable? Can you install another drive in the system? Also, is the drive EIDE (aka Enhanced IDE) or SATA (aka Serial ATA)?
Just changing the thread a bit.
Posted by: mercurial
quote:
Originally posted by HDTivo4prez
A question for the masses:
I know the HD Tivo will come standard with a WD250GB HDD. Do you know if it is upgradeable? Can you install another drive in the system? Also, is the drive EIDE or SATA?
Just changing the thread a bit.
Not sure, but Doug's avatar comes with one WD250GB Nipple but I believe it can be upgraded to two. I believe it uses the old ENDI HDD interface (Electronic Nipple Device Interface).
Posted by: dstroot
quote:
That's about the latest understanding of what is going on, without anything on Robert's plan to meet the shipment in San Diego after it clears US Customs and send them out to us directly from there (which is still a maybe).
Hey!!! I LIVE IN SAN DIEGO! Maybe I can meet Robert and pick it up in person and save him the shipping hassle!
That would be cool - plus I'd definitely have one of the first since I wouldn't have to wait for the shipping.
-----------
Time of Order: 1/17/2004 1:48:53 PM
Order ID: 12661
Number 193
-----------
This is my first post. (major lurker) :D
Posted by: Darin
No one that knows for sure (people from TiVo/DirecTV) has stated whether or not it can be upgraded (though most of us are probably assuming it can).
The big question in my mind: what type of activity MIGHT be considered a vacation?
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by Darin
The big question in my mind: what type of activity MIGHT be considered a vacation?
The official dictionary of the judges participating in this exercise is the online edition of Merriam-Websters at www.m-w.com.
Posted by: falstaffpac
Are there cactus in the background?
Posted by: mercurial
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
The official dictionary of the judges participating in this exercise is the online edition of Merriam-Websters at www.m-w.com.
Main Entry: va·ca·tion
Pronunciation: vA-'kA-sh&n, v&-
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle English vacacioun, from Middle French vacation, from Latin vacation-, vacatio freedom, exemption, from vacare
1 : a respite or a time of respite from something : INTERMISSION
2 a : a scheduled period during which activity (as of a court or school) is suspended b : a period of exemption from work granted to an employee for rest and relaxation
3 : a period spent away from home or business in travel or recreation <had a restful vacation at the beach>
4 : an act or an instance of vacating
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by falstaffpac
Are there cactus in the background?
No.
Posted by: dswallow
BTW, anyone notice Darin's the only one who's managed to get me to say "Yes" yet?
Posted by: Kamakzie
Doug is it this?
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...257#post1442257
Posted by: Mr Pieces
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
BTW, anyone notice Darin's the only one who's managed to get me to say "Yes" yet?
Is it Darin?
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
Doug is it this?
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...257#post1442257
No.
Posted by: PJO1966
White Party?
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Pieces
Is it Darin?
No.
Posted by: dcushing
Is it at a TiVo get together??
Posted by: Kamakzie
Those are bottles of liquor behind you in the picture?
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by PJO1966
White Party?
<judges call a time out>
The purpose of this sort of exercise or game is to narrow down the true answer to a question through a series of questions that enable you to go in specific directions with later questions. Tossing out random guesses only wastes questions. Now we didn't specify a limit on the number of questions, however at some point this cannot be allowed to overwhelm the original purpose of this thread. So in the interests of that, the judges suggest that this timeout be extended for a minimum of 60 minutes. Conveniently, this allows Doug to drive from his office to his home and make a stop along the way at the bank.
Posted by: btwyx
You havn't responded to the question of Stripper (male) or Strip Club. Which is what I remember the answer was the last time the question came up.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by dcushing
Is it at a TiVo get together??
No.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by PJO1966
White Party?
No.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
Those are bottles of liquor behind you in the picture?
Yes.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by btwyx
You havn't responded to the question of Stripper (male) or Strip Club. Which is what I remember the answer was the last time the question came up.
I just searched back to where I started this silliness... I don't see any such question asked.
I think I've answered all questions that were asked at this point.
I'm heading home now; back in about an hour.
Posted by: Kamakzie
Come clean Doug we already guessed it right then? :D
quote:
Originally posted by btwyx
You havn't responded to the question of Stripper (male) or Strip Club. Which is what I remember the answer was the last time the question came up.
Posted by: buzzword
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
If it turns out this is necessary, it would only be required of those with California addresses in the first shipment. He's not going to do this every week he gets more units. ;)
Hmmm...guess that makes it kind of a toss up for me at #207 and in California. It could go either way depending on how large the first shipment is.
Posted by: Kamakzie
Ummm, Doug :D
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...423#post1786423
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...442#post1786442
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by edrock200
Bachelor party or strip club?
Yes.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
A male stripper?
Yes.
Posted by: btwyx
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
I just searched back to where I started this silliness... I don't see any such question asked.
I think I've answered all questions that were asked at this point.
I'm heading home now; back in about an hour.
Such evasion, if I wern't such a stable person, we could restart the flame war over this.
<http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...423#post1786423>
<http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...442#post1786442>
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
Ummm, Doug :D
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...423#post1786423
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...442#post1786442
See... I've been at work far too long on this Friday. I am now really going home.
Sorry about that. I really didn't see them; Probably the one where you quoted my "No" threw me because of the quote... maybe I was reading the No as if it were me answering or something.
Anyway... Back in an hour.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by btwyx
Such evasion, if I wern't such a stable person, we could restart the flame war over this.
<http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...423#post1786423>
<http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...442#post1786442>
Hey, I answered them. :)
I'm REALLY going now!
Posted by: JohnTivo
Now back to our regluar scheduled program...
Posted by: Kamakzie
Back to I want my HD Tivo now now now now now! WAH WAH WAH!!!!!!!! :p
Posted by: JohnA
Must be his wife. Don't worry Doug, doesn't bother me!
Posted by: bigpuma
All this talk about shipping from CA but has anyone looked into Arizona tax law, Doug? :D
Posted by: JLWINE
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow italics added by Jlwine
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(c) "Retailer engaged in business in this state" as used in this section and Section 6202 means and includes any of the following:
(1) Any retailer maintaining, occupying, or using, permanently or temporarily, directly or indirectly, or through a subsidiary, or agent, by whatever name called, an office, place of distribution, sales or sample room or place, warehouse or storage place, or other place of business.
Webster's definition of maintaining:
To keep up or carry on; continue: maintain good relations.
To keep in an existing state; preserve or retain: maintain one's composure.
Posted by: Stuigi
quote:
Originally posted by TallGuy
Dang, Doug, you can maintain The List and research the California tax code at the same time??
Can he also chew gum?
Posted by: Stuigi
Can you please post a picture of yourself dressed as Santa Claus.
It would put a whole new meaning to all this anticipation.
Chritmas in April, YAY
Posted by: Kamakzie
Tivo Claus says you have been a good boy so you get your HD Tivo now! :D
quote:
Originally posted by Stuigi
Can you please post a picture of yourself dressed as Santa Claus.
It would put a whole new meaning to all this anticipation.
Chritmas in April, YAY
Posted by: jmrife
Gawd we are a nosy bunch. I am outa here until Monday? I wonder where the whims will take this thread by then?
Posted by: MCodanti
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
I've said exactly what the picture is of and where it was taken several times in this forum over the last 4 or 5 months.
Good luck finding it amidst some 7,182 posts, though. ;)
Ha, I found it!
Would this be one of the posts?
Do I get any points for that? :)
Posted by: tremor_f
Regarding the tax issue:
Unless Robert has obtained a California business license in order to ship directly from the Customs broker's warehouse, he is still a New Jersey business. I'm not a lawyer, but my (admittedly limited) experience in this area leads me to believe that he wouldn't need to collect CA sales tax on shipments to CA addresses.
That said, CA residents are legally responsible for remitting use tax on out-of-state purchases for which sales tax is not collected. The use tax tracks the CA state sales tax rates exactly. And I just *know* that all the CA residents here will be including an extra ~$80 use tax payment on next year's state income tax return for their HDTivo, RIGHT?
:)
-T.
Posted by: mercurial
quote:
Originally posted by Stuigi
It would put a whole new meaning to all this anticipation.
How come every time some uses the word anticipation, all I can see in my head is Tim Curry? :D
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by MCodanti
Ha, I found it!
Would this be one of the posts?
Do I get any points for that? :)
Alas, no matter how many points I gave you, it wouldn't move you up any lists. ;)
Posted by: MCodanti
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
Alas, no matter how many points I gave you, it wouldn't move you up any lists. ;)
Who said anything about using the points for moving up a list?
As far as HD-DirecTiVos go I preordered mine through GoodGuys and I think I was #12, so I should be pretty well set.
Posted by: btwyx
I'm number 4, I just got my email.
It doesn't make much difference as Robert had already PM'd me several days ago, but thanks to Wendy anyway. I actually got it sent to me yesterday, but I only just dug it out of my spam folder.
Posted by: cheridave
quote:
Originally posted by cheridave
Me, I'm a "TIVO Virgin", mostly been over at AVS bothering the Plasma folks.
I have a HDR-230 which serves my interim very well. I like things simple and the HD-TIVO should help eliminate another component from my system.
I hereby delete my self assigned "#206" and now assign "#216 " based on Doug's updates.
Dave
Well, did I call it or what--
It's now "Official" #216 per Wendy.
Dave
Posted by: Kamakzie
I just got a email from Wendy confirming what Robert sent me a couple days ago that I am #220. Very nice of them! :)
Posted by: randyth
So, Kamakzie, what's the story with your picture? Getting married?
[...biding time until my HD DirecTiVo arrives...]
Posted by: Kamakzie
Nope it was at my best friends wedding.
Posted by: tremor_f
As I'd already figured, I'm #219.
Time to start refining the estimate on when mine will ship. :)
-T.
Posted by: Kamakzie
Dang dude you beat me by one spot!
Posted by: midas
And #229 for me.
Time of Order: 1/17/2004 10:18:47 PM
Order ID: 1269X
Posted by: DavidAsher
#224 for me
DavidAsher
Time of Order: 1/17/2004 8:47:17 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1269x
Posted by: gcawad
It is official
1st order is # 240
Time of Order: 1/18/2004 8:57:25 AM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 127XX
Posted by: KCWolfPck
quote:
Originally posted by randyth
So, Kamakzie, what's the story with your picture? Getting married?
[...biding time until my HD DirecTiVo arrives...]
Funny, I thought it was a Halloween party or some kind of dork-a-thon function.
Posted by: Kamakzie
hey now! I resemble that!
Posted by: Kamakzie
KCWolfPck, aren't we all fellow dorks here? Especially since we are chomping over the bit over this receiver?
Posted by: lsdean
Doug, I am 228.
Midas, I just noticed that you were 37 seconds behind me. I guess we were online at the same time.
Posted by: sfoguy1
Hi Guys,
I've changed my email address since pre-ordering and updated VE last week over the phone, but haven't received any of the notices mentioned in recent posts. Is there any other way to find out my "Official" place in line?
Also, I'm sure this info is around here somewhere, but I'll risk being annoying and ask: How may units are predicted to ship initially?
The lurker speaks...
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by sfoguy1
Also, I'm sure this info is around here somewhere, but I'll risk being annoying and ask: How may units are predicted to ship initially?
I updated the order listing with the info I've posted about earlier so it's easier to find. Look at the bottom of the post: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...438#post1786438
Posted by: LarryInAz
quote:
Originally posted by bigpuma
All this talk about shipping from CA but has anyone looked into Arizona tax law, Doug? :D
I haven't done any research, however Robert is more than welcome to park his truck at my house. There's a UPS facility just 3 miles from my house. :D
Posted by: sfoguy1
Doug,
You are the man on the spot.
Thanks...
John :)
Posted by: HDTivo4prez
Just got a PM from Robert,
#125.... hopefully good enough for the first shipment.
Posted by: aaronwt
By dswallows' list I must be around #330. If I would have just checked the forum a few days earlier I could have been in the first 100, but from the look of things, even that far down on the list, we should get it in early April. Now I'm wondering If I should order another one. I just put my DSt3000 on Ebay and I could put one of my existing Dtivos up for auction as well. A few more items for auction and I could cover that second HDTiVo.
Posted by: BillF
It's official now, I'm #218. Oh well, could be worse.
Posted by: midas
quote:
Originally posted by lsdean
Doug, I am 228.
Midas, I just noticed that you were 37 seconds behind me. I guess we were online at the same time.
Unfortunately I had that page up for about 2 hours trying to decide if I wanted to do it or not.
Posted by: jrock
I got my official email last night, I am #222
-Joe
Posted by: toddmoe
Feeling pretty depressed at this point. Been monitoring the activity on the HD Tivo over at the avs forum, clearly should have been here. I have read about 30 pages of this thread thus far, I have not found where to send my order info to VE to find out my exact spot on the list could someone post that info for me please. Thanks all
Time of Order: 2/15/2004 1:00:51 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1346x
Posted by: gunzour
quote:
Originally posted by gunzour
Does the VE pre-order include OTA antenna installation for existing DTV customers?
VE has not answered my email where I asked them this, so I will have to assume their answer is "No! Go away!".
Posted by: TallGuy
quote:
Originally posted by toddmoe
I have not found where to send my order info to VE to find out my exact spot on the list could someone post that info for me please. Thanks all
It seems from Doug's list like VE is going through the orders in sequence (which is logical to me) and have sent the position numbers from 1 through about 270 so far. These are somewhat manual and are sent to one customer at a time. There's got to be a ton of work to do overall. But you don't have to send your information back in to them to get the email with your spot on the list, you just have to come up next.
Posted by: kmulder
I got my email this morning at 9:37am. I am #267
Posted by: mknoebel
quote:
Originally posted by kmulder
I got my email this morning at 9:37am. I am #267
Hmmm. I should be before #267 and I haven't received an email yet...:confused:
Posted by: satfam
Has any of us late orderers (late as in Feb 23rd) gotten an email yet?
Posted by: capnsharpe
I'm 245! :)
Posted by: Darin
I'm Feb 14, and I haven't. It'll take them some time.
Posted by: Kevin L
Hi Doug. Thanks again for the list! Here's my latest info:
Time of Order: 1/18/2004 7:55:20 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 127xx
Your HD DVR order with ValueElectronics is number 286!
Posted by: bquinlan
280 for me!
Posted by: BillF
Now that it's real, I bit the bullet and crawled around in the attic to install the 10th feed. Line is tested and ready for HDTiVo. Now the days will really go slowly.
Posted by: parrothead
Time of Order: 2/27/2004 8:02:03 AM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 13614
Better late than never!
Posted by: GalenMD
Just got my e-mail today.
I'm #291!! I'm glad I didn't wait any longer.
Time of Order: 1/18/2004 8:44:54 PM
Order ID: 12762
Posted by: Stuigi
I just got my HDTivo. Robert you're the best!
Has anyone else gotten theirs?
Remember this was just a test. If this was for real, I would be installing, not posting!
Posted by: Marco
I filled out the forms and returned them. Should I expect an e-mail with my # ?
Or did all of you who have your place in line specifically e-mail VE to ask?
Posted by: PJO1966
quote:
I just got my HDTivo. Robert you're the best!
That's not funny.
Posted by: MikeSRC
quote:
Originally posted by GalenMD
Just got my e-mail today.
I'm #291!! I'm glad I didn't wait any longer.
Time of Order: 1/18/2004 8:44:54 PM
Order ID: 12762
That'll put me at about 327. At the time, I thought it was about a hundred numbers lower. Glad I didn't wait any longer either.
Posted by: Stuigi
quote:
Originally posted by Marco
I filled out the forms and returned them. Should I expect an e-mail with my # ?
Or did all of you who have your place in line specifically e-mail VE to ask?
they should send you an email soon
Posted by: dswallow
Order listing moved, for convenience, to http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...052#post1797052
Posted by: hongcho
Doug, maybe you should say who posted the last quote... or was it you? :)
Hong.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by hongcho
Doug, maybe you should say who posted the last quote... or was it you? :)
It was me.
Posted by: jjmpeters
I faxed in my documents on Sunday, but have yet to hear anything from VE. Anyone have Wendy's email address so I can contact her directly?
Time of Order: 1/21/2004 6:26:29 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 12954
Thanks
Posted by: PJO1966
I have been reading this thread since Day 1, but I don't recall if there was a final word as to when the first shipment would go out. Anyone remember?
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by PJO1966
I have been reading this thread since Day 1, but I don't recall if there was a final word as to when the first shipment would go out. Anyone remember?
The first weeks production is supposed to be 3/22/2004, where about 200 units are supposed to be coming off the line.
I suppose there's one camp that's wishfully thinking it's 3/22/2004 where the 200 units are being shipped (meaning they were made the week/weekend prior), and the other camp where 3/22/2004 is when they start making them and it'll be towards the end of the week when those units are shipped. ;)
Posted by: TiVolunteer
Just got my email -- #281
Time of Order: 1/18/2004 6:52:11 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1275X
Posted by: 02Overlander
#300 here
Time of Order: 1/19/2004 12:29:13 AM
Posted by: PJO1966
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
The first weeks production is supposed to be 3/22/2004, where about 200 units are supposed to be coming off the line.
I suppose there's one camp that's wishfully thinking it's 3/22/2004 where the 200 units are being shipped (meaning they were made the week/weekend prior), and the other camp where 3/22/2004 is when they start making them and it'll be towards the end of the week when those units are shipped. ;)
I'm in the first camp :D
Posted by: Lee Bombard
Order # 1267X
Time of Order: 1/17/2004/4:14:03
Wendy Says: 206
Posted by: RightHere
Well, I'm a little bummed out by the official notification that I'm #205. By the unofficial count, I seemed solidly in the top 200. :( Oh well, guess that means another week or two of watching crappy movies on HDNet. Maybe HD Sopranos in April. I knew I waited too long to pull the trigger.
Looking at the order list, Robert's post of "around" 100 was almost dead
on (104). By 163, the count was off by at least 25 (188). By 200, the count was off by at least 67 (267). By 219 it's off by almost 100 (311)! Looks like it's back on track w/ >350 units. No conspiracy theories here, just interesting data.
So, now that that's out of the way...who is going to pay for the IcyHot that Robert & his crew will need on 3/23? ;)
Posted by: Stuigi
quote:
Originally posted by RightHere
So, now that that's out of the way...who is going to pay for the IcyHot that Robert & his crew will need on 3/23? ;)
We all are with our order and faith in VE
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by RightHere
Looking at the order list, Robert's post of "around" 100 was almost dead
on (104). By 163, the count was off by at least 25 (188). By 200, the count was off by at least 67 (267). By 219 it's off by almost 100 (311)! Looks like it's back on track w/ >350 units. No conspiracy theories here, just interesting data.
The list has fewer than 1/2 of the first 300 orders on it. There's 60 orders on the list between #300 and where Robert said they were over 350. So I'm guessing they're all similarly (growingly -- is that a word?!) incorrect.
Judging based entirely on order numbers, the order numbers on #1 and #300 look to match up pretty closely with the count of 300.
Posted by: pkscout
OK, I'm a little fearful about posting this but:
Time of Order: 1/16/2004 11:27:10 AM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 124xx
Number: 9
So, please don't hurt me, at least not until you find the other 8 people first. :D
I'd of posted this sooner, but I must have read that email like 12 times before I realized by place in line was in the subject but not repeated anywhere else. I rarely do more than scan the subject of an email, and this time that didn't help me any.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by pkscout
OK, I'm a little fearful about posting this but:
Time of Order: 1/16/2004 11:27:10 AM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 124xx
Number: 9
So, please don't hurt me, at least not until you find the other 8 people first. :D
I'd of posted this sooner, but I must have read that email like 12 times before I realized by place in line was in the subject but not repeated anywhere else. I rarely do more than scan the subject of an email, and this time that didn't help me any.
Well, if anyone wanted to hurt you because you were #9, they already could have pretty much guessed your position. Though I suppose you could've actually been #7 since the time on the list for you was originally just an estimate.
Funny how rogo hasn't confirmed he's #2 yet... or jagerbuddy #12... ;)
Posted by: ebonovic
Question.... Does this thread hit 2000 post before or after we start recieving our HDTivos.....
Hmmmmm
Posted by: subcook
quote:
Originally posted by ebonovic
Question.... Does this thread hit 2000 post before or after we start recieving our HDTivos.....
Well we have had over 500 posts in less than 4 days...it should be no problem to break the 2k mark before anyone ever touches one. Still a lot more positions to be posted too.
just my 2 cents
Andrew
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by ebonovic
Question.... Does this thread hit 2000 post before or after we start recieving our HDTivos.....
Hmmmmm
We're running about 130-140 per day over the last 4 days. And that seems to be growing.
I think we'll be well over 3,000 posts before the units start shipping.
Posted by: TallGuy
It is taking a serious amount of time this week to read or even scan all of these. I might need a vacation from this thread to rest up for the threads about what works and doesn't work once we receive the units.
Posted by: vashner
If what I am seeing in Doug Swallow's list is accurate, and making the presumption
that the list and numbers are only relative to the pre-orders, calculating ones
position should be a simple matter. Correct me if I'm wrong. I didn't really have to
say that ; did I? If order # 12504 is # 29 on the list, then 12504 minus 28= 12476,
or #1. My order number is 13560. If I subtract 12476 from 13560 I get a difference
of 1084. That differential should be my position on the list. It seems that I am going
to wait a long time for my magic box to arrive.
Posted by: subcook
quote:
Originally posted by TallGuy
before the Masters
Forget the masters. Britney Spears in HD March 28th on Showtime. Unfortunately I am too far down the list at Number 210.
Andrew
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by vashner
If what I am seeing in Doug Swallow's list is accurate, and making the presumption
that the list and numbers are only relative to the pre-orders, calculating ones
position should be a simple matter. Correct me if I'm wrong. I didn't really have to
say that ; did I? If order # 12504 is # 29 on the list, then 12504 minus 28= 12476,
or #1. My order number is 13560. If I subtract 12476 from 13560 I get a difference
of 1084. That differential should be my position on the list. It seems that I am going
to wait a long time for my magic box to arrive.
Orders for other things do seem to be included, though there don't seem to be a lot of them.
There are probably some people who ordered more than one on the same order too; not sure if those are accounted for at all in the position numbers.
But I don't think you will really have a "long" wait. Pretty recently they were quoting 3rd week of April for deliveries.
Posted by: Kamakzie
Should be a great concert if you have the mute button fully engaged. :)
quote:
Originally posted by subcook
Forget the masters. Britney Spears in HD March 28th on Showtime. Unfortunately I am too far down the list at Number 210.
Andrew
Posted by: Kamakzie
Hey guys a little change of subject. When I install my new stuff the HD Tivo and the 2 basic receivers and dish. Since I am new is DTV offering any programming freebies?
Posted by: mknoebel
quote:
Originally posted by TiVolunteer
Just got my email -- #281
Time of Order: 1/18/2004 6:52:11 PM
Order Type: Email
Order ID: 1275X
Robert,
I ordered mine on 1/18 at 3:47:06PM but still haven't received my email.
Any ideas??:confused:
Posted by: cheridave
Kamakzie,
It wouldn't hurt to give them a call and see what they will or will not offer you. You could report back here once you find out.
Good luck.
Dave
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by cheridave
It wouldn't hurt to give them a call and see what they will or will not offer you. You could report back here once you find out.
The current offer is $10.00 off any Total Choice package for 6 months.
He should still call because I don't know if that applies to him or not; that changed recently -- 3/1, I think.
Posted by: Kamakzie
WOW that isn't too bad a deal. So I could get TC+ w/locals for $32.99 not too shabby!
Posted by: Larry Hutchinson
Doug,
For your list
>Time of Order: 1/16/2004 6:26:19 PM
>Order Type: Email
>Order ID: 12573
but I have not gotten the place in line email yet. Getting a bit worried (did get the forms and faxed them back.)
Posted by: cheridave
Ok, I can't figure this one out.
I want to change "New Member" to my own thing. Can somebody help me here and tell me how I go about doing that.
Dave
Posted by: Kamakzie
Hey, click on User CP and then edit profile and down there is a "Custom User Text" and you can add something there.
quote:
Originally posted by cheridave
Ok, I can't figure this one out.
I want to change "New Member" to my own thing. Can somebody help me here and tell me how I go about doing that.
Dave
Posted by: cheridave
Kamakzie,
Thanks, except I looked for that just like in the AVSForum Profile, but guess what- its not to be found.
Could it be based on the number of Posts one has before it becomes available?
I know "Experience" has its Privileges and if I must pay my "Dues" then so be it.
Dave
Posted by: Kamakzie
Probably AVS has the option disabled.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by cheridave
Kamakzie,
Thanks, except I looked for that just like in the AVSForum Profile, but guess what- its not to be found.
Could it be based on the number of Posts one has before it becomes available?
I know "Experience" has its Privileges and if I must pay my "Dues" then so be it.
It's normally in the "Optional Information" section, where, in order, you'll see:
Homepage
ICQ Number
AOL Instant Messenger Handle
Yahoo Messenger Handle
Signature
Birthdate
Custom User Text
If you don't see it there, then I guess it must only become active after a certain number of posts. Hang around this thread for long, and you'll get there fast. ;)
Posted by: Robert Crawford
I've email Robert for those documents and I still haven't heard back from him. Does anybody have another email address for him besides the sales@valueelectronics.com?
Posted by: SteveWinNJ
Note: I think I must be 301...ordered 3 minutes after number 300, but no email yet.
quote:
Originally posted by Kamakzie
WOW that isn't too bad a deal. So I could get TC+ w/locals for $32.99 not too shabby!
Kamakzie -
In addition you will need the $10.99 HDTV package, 4.99 for the TiVo fee and $5 for each receiver after the first.
I know recently they were knocking $20 off the Premier package for six months and with that they waive the $5 TiVo fee. You will probably want to get HBO and Showtime for their HDTV stuff and of course who knows what's coming in the next few months...Cinemax has been talked about. So, you may want to seriously consider the Premier package if you can swing the monthly. Run the numbers different ways and when you call remember that they will want to have to subscribe to more channels, even at a discount initially. That's all gravy for them. Be polite, but firm.
Of course, I'm bad. I can justify anything if I try hard enough! ;)
Posted by: bjs188
I am late but I want to play also.
Time of Order: 1/19/2004 8:10:16 PM
Order ID: 1286x
Posted by: midas
Am I the only one that thinks the volume of orders we're seeing is pretty amazing. I mean, we're talking 1 vendor from basically 2 web sites and a $1000 item. And VE must easily be above the 500 unit mark by this point. That's half a million dollars for one vendor from 2 websites. Obviously that's not all profit. But it's still a lot of money for a product that hasn't even been released yet.
Anyway, I just find it all pretty amazing.
Posted by: TomB
Agreed...
I'm in Pegasus territory, so had to pre-order via Ultimate Electronics.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by midas
Am I the only one that thinks the volume of orders we're seeing is pretty amazing. I mean, we're talking 1 vendor from basically 2 web sites and a $1000 item. And VE must easily be above the 500 unit mark by this point. That's half a million dollars for one vendor from 2 websites. Obviously that's not all profit. But it's still a lot of money for a product that hasn't even been released yet.
Anyway, I just find it all pretty amazing.
1 year ago, I would've almost wanted one. About 11 months ago, I needed one.
I wonder how many people who have ordered one were in a position a year ago to make use of it (already had a HDTV display) had it been available then.
Posted by: cheridave
Kamakzie/dswallow,
Thanks for the onfo. I think Doug has it right-- I need to hang around for a while.
Ok- back to the "HD-TIVO Pre-order Show".
Oh, great job Doug:)
Dave
Posted by: dlott
Robert Crawford PM your email address and I will send you a copy of the forms. I just checked and still have a copy of the forms.
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by cheridave
Kamakzie/dswallow,
Thanks for the onfo. I think Doug has it right-- I need to hang around for a while.
Ok- back to the "HD-TIVO Pre-order Show".
Oh, great job Doug:)
That could've been 3 posts. ;)
Posted by: randyth
quote:
Originally posted by midas
Am I the only one that thinks the volume of orders we're seeing is pretty amazing. I mean, we're talking 1 vendor from basically 2 web sites and a $1000 item. And VE must easily be above the 500 unit mark by this point. That's half a million dollars for one vendor from 2 websites. Obviously that's not all profit. But it's still a lot of money for a product that hasn't even been released yet.
Anyway, I just find it all pretty amazing.
It is amazing. And you know what else I find amazing? The storm of messages that has swept this forum as a result, and how so many of us (myself included!) feel compelled to check in multiple times a day.
This pre-order feeding frenzy would make a great story for Reuters or CNet's www.news.com.
-Randy
Posted by: slocko
does this thread set a record for adding the most new members to a forum?
i can't wait for the movie version :D in HD!
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by slocko
does this thread set a record for adding the most new members to a forum?
That's probably the case. Though I bet a substantial number of those people were from AVSForum, but never had occasion to come here except to lurk. Those people aren't quite new. Sorta.
Posted by: PJO1966
I got dibs on Hugh Jackman playing me...
Posted by: midas
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
1 year ago, I would've almost wanted one. About 11 months ago, I needed one.
I wonder how many people who have ordered one were in a position a year ago to make use of it (already had a HDTV display) had it been available then.
I was ready to buy it the day they announced it last January. I've had my HD set since Dec. 2001. So I would have been ready 2 years ago.
Posted by: rvaniwaa
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
1 year ago, I would've almost wanted one. About 11 months ago, I needed one.
I wonder how many people who have ordered one were in a position a year ago to make use of it (already had a HDTV display) had it been available then.
I purchased my HD TV in April of last year, thinking the HD TiVo would be out in late 03. I could not convince myself to purchase a HD receiver when I was going to purchase the HD TiVo. Soon! Very Soon!!!
Posted by: PJO1966
I just need to post this to get my tally up to 100. Does everybody like my pretty picture? I had to include the gigantic red plaid bowtie in the crop. I was a dandy even back then... :D
Posted by: Stuigi
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
1 year ago, I would've almost wanted one. About 11 months ago, I needed one.
I wonder how many people who have ordered one were in a position a year ago to make use of it (already had a HDTV display) had it been available then.
When I joined the avs board in 2000, it was to find info on a projector for my new home theatre (it was a 50th Bday present to myself). I ended up with a sony vpl-vw10ht and an rca dtc100 which still hums away. Immediately, when I saw how great HDTV was, I knew I had to save some shows to allow others to see this new technology on demand That is when I built my hipix PC. It too is still humming along. I now watch most HDTV shows on a Fujitsu 50 inch Plasma though.
When TIVO first came to my home, I always said to myself how wonderful it would be to have a TIVO that would record HDTV.
I knew I was giving up a wish by that thought.
I sure hope I have more wishes left
Posted by: SteveWinNJ
Doug, yep, another AVS transfer here. I think I see another list forming:
Member: SteveWinNJ
AVS Forum member since: June 2001
TiVo Community Member since: January 18, 2004
DVR's: UTV, ReplayTV, Media Center PC
My name is Steve and I am a DVR addict. ;)
Posted by: cheridave
Doug,
Posted by: cheridave
Something
Posted by: cheridave
Like
Posted by: cheridave
This
Posted by: cheridave
?
Posted by: cheridave
Dave
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by cheridave
Doug,
quote:
Originally posted by cheridave
Something
quote:
Originally posted by cheridave
Like
quote:
Originally posted by cheridave
This
quote:
Originally posted by cheridave
?
quote:
Originally posted by cheridave
Dave
No, because there each of your posts does not (meaningfully) stand alone on its own. The post I was referring to had 3 distinct comments in it, each of which could have been a post on its own.
:p
Posted by: bollar
Time of Order: 1/16/2004 4:21:50 PM
#72
Posted by: LarryInAz
quote:
Originally posted by dswallow
No, because there each of your posts does not (meaningfully) stand alone on its own. The post I was referring to had 3 distinct comments in it, each of which could have been a post on its own.
:p
Thank you Doug for clarifying this properly for everyone - I was afraid if everybody else attempted to post the same way we'd be at 3k posts before morning. Though most likely the moderator would have closed this thread before then. :o
Posted by: tomr
quote:
Originally posted by LarryInAz
Though most likely the moderator would have closed this thread before then. :o
If a Mod closed this thread it would be the end of the world as we know it today. The Mod would also be hunted down and forced to watch 100 hours of reruns of Gilligans Island on a 12 inch black and white TV with NO fast forward. His/Her eyes would be pinned open so not one second would be missed. a'la "A Clockwork Orange"
Close this thread - NEVER. what would I do then?????
Posted by: Stuigi
Do each of you believe yourself to be "Normal"?
If yes, "Then who the hell are all those other people out there"?
I can't figure it out! I wonder what they do with their time.
Posted by: dropper
quote:
Originally posted by Stuigi
Do each of you believe yourself to be "Normal"?
If yes, "Then who the hell are all those other people out there"?
I can't figure it out! I wonder what they do with their time.
Normal? Normal?!
Who wants to be normal? I don't want the RM's of the world to tell me how I can watch TV. The airwaves belong to the people. Companies only lease the airwaves, they don't own them. If commercial run TV died tomorrow, would anyone really miss it?
The internet learned how to survive without the old style ad revenue stream by adapting and creating a new model. Can you imagine if the web had a lobby in congress, they would have outlawed pop-up blockers!
Oh, and to keep this on topic, Doug, can you add the speculative dates of delivery to your list? For instance, I was told 3rd week in April.
Keith
Posted by: dswallow
quote:
Originally posted by dropper
Oh, and to keep this on topic, Doug, can you add the speculative dates of delivery to your list? For instance, I was told 3rd week in April.
I dont' think there's much point; I suspect most of these speculative delivery dates are being quoted "safe" so as to minimize people complaining if it isn't delivered by then (i.e.; give a date by which it's gonna be delivered for sure no matter what problems may arise unless they just plain stop making them), not as the representative expected delivery date.
Posted by: dswallow
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