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Posted by: ScottE22

I didn't see a spoiler thread yet so I figured I'd get it started....

Not a bad ep, but I need to see this presidential thing tie in to the rest of the plot a little sooner rather than later. I can't believe that Ramon killed Hector (or did he??)...

My favorite ridiculously unnecessary line from the show: "It's Jack - he's using his cell as a one-way..."

Who says that? What's a "one-way"? Was that for the benefit of any viewers who were too dumb to figure out what he was doing? Wouldn't it have been easier to say, "It's Jack - he's on his cell phone..."

Anyway - great season!!!

Edited to add: OK - probably better to say "pretty good" season... I still look forward to Tuesday nights, but not nearly as much as in seasons past...

Posted by: MacThor

I don't think it's been a "great" season. Last year at least two of the three plots were interesting. Last night I found myself only caring about what was happening in Mexico. Both CTU (a baby!?!?) and the West LA West Wing are boorrrring.

Posted by: ireland967

At least the Germans appear to be surfacing

Posted by: mp2526

quote:
Originally posted by ScottE22

Who says that? What's a "one-way"? Was that for the benefit of any viewers who were too dumb to figure out what he was doing? Wouldn't it have been easier to say, "It's Jack - he's on his cell phone..."

My guess was it was the writers way of squashing us nit pickers who would have said it was pretty risky of Jack to start a phone call and not have the Salazars hear the person on the other end saying Hello over and over. I guess "one-way" is CTU speak for he put it on mute.

Posted by: scottjf8

quote:
Originally posted by mp2526
My guess was it was the writers way of squashing us nit pickers who would have said it was pretty risky of Jack to start a phone call and not have the Salazars hear the person on the other end saying Hello over and over. I guess "one-way" is CTU speak for he put it on mute.

I thougth the same thing.. if she hadn't said that, they might have been going "Jack! Jack are you there!" and the Salazars would have heard...

Posted by: DougF

Does anyone else thing that Jack's "one-way" call to CTU may come back to haunt him later? All Ramone has to do is hit redial and he'll be connected to Michelle at CTU.

Posted by: Crash331

I can't believe that Milikan idiot is going to try to kill the Prez's ex wife because she is doing to him what he did to the Prez. Lamer.

Posted by: mp2526

quote:
Originally posted by Frozen Solid
Does anyone else thing that Jack's "one-way" call to CTU may come back to haunt him later? All Ramone has to do is hit redial and he'll be connected to Michelle at CTU.

I don't know if it will come to play, but the nit picker in me was thinking that or he just has to view the call log and see that Jack has made a call to CTU.

Posted by: DancnDude

I think the twists are almost getting predictable. They are so unpredictable that they are becoming predictable. Know what I'm saying? Like last night, it was nearing the end of the episode. Then they go on the "Hector calls off the deal" thread and I immediately say to my roommate, "he's dead". Sure enough, 5 minutes later the twist happens. Same with last week when Sherri showed up. Still a fun show though.

Posted by: scottjf8

quote:
Originally posted by mp2526
I don't know if it will come to play, but the nit picker in me was thinking that or he just has to view the call log and see that Jack has made a call to CTU.

Ramone is smart.. I bet he believed nina when she said that Jack is working for CTU.. he wants to get that virus, then plans on killing jack...

Posted by: mp2526

quote:
Originally posted by DancnDude
I think the twists are almost getting predictable.

I agree. I predict that the baby is actually the mountain lion in disguise waiting to seek revenge on Kim.

Posted by: pwsteele

Does this episode repeat anywhere this week? I did a quick look in the Guide but didn't see it, but I want to make sure.

Posted by: ScottE22

quote:
Originally posted by Frozen Solid
Does anyone else thing that Jack's "one-way" call to CTU may come back to haunt him later? All Ramone has to do is hit redial and he'll be connected to Michelle at CTU.

I actually thought the exact same thing - what if Ramon just hits "Send" and ends up chatting it up with Michelle... Not bad for Ramon :D , but it could be troublesome for Jack.

My other favorite line that is repeated far too often (not just on 24): "If I wanted to kill you, you'd be dead already..." Ooooooooohhhhhh... good one, Tough Guy!!

Posted by: allan

quote:
Originally posted by scottjf8
I thougth the same thing.. if she hadn't said that, they might have been going "Jack! Jack are you there!" and the Salazars would have heard...

Ah, cmon. Who at CTU would be dumb enough to do that? :)

Posted by: efilippi

I don't understand Ramon's reasoning that the deal must go through or else they will be disgraced, having gone back on their word, queering the deal, etc. They have legitimately lost the deal, having been outbid. They are no longer supposed to be in it. So how could they be thought to be weak if they didn't try to disrupt the deal?

Posted by: mp2526

quote:
Originally posted by efilippi
I don't understand Ramon's reasoning that the deal must go through or else they will be disgraced, having gone back on their word, queering the deal, etc. They have legitimately lost the deal, having been outbid. They are no longer supposed to be in it. So how could they be thought to be weak if they didn't try to disrupt the deal?

Because they are virus brokers themselves. They are not buying the virus to use it, they are buying it to turn around and sell it and they apparently already have a buyer. That is who they will lose face to.

Posted by: milo99

quote:
Originally posted by mp2526
Because they are virus brokers themselves. They are not buying the virus to use it, they are buying it to turn around and sell it and they apparently already have a buyer. That is who they will lose face to.

from what i recall, they have several buyers, so they'd be losing their rep/respect/whatever to those guys if they don't come through. those buyers don't know that Ramon has been outbid.

One thing i thought I noticed but didn't bother rewinding to verify - didn't Ramon want HIS guys to hide behind some ridge at the deal's location? And isn't taht the same place that the Delta guys said they should hide THEIR guys too? Something about it providing a 'natural cover' caught my ear.. but like i said.. too lazy to go back and already deleted :)

Posted by: Frank_M

In terms of the twists becoming "predictable" I disagree. I think they haven't really existed.

I think this season has really been without the Keanu Reeves' moments we're accustomed to.

You know, when the episode ends and you just sit there and say...

Whoa.

Posted by: timr_42

I guess one this is for sure, I don't think "take you child to work" day works very well at CTU. :)

Posted by: allan

quote:
Originally posted by timr_42
I guess one this is for sure, I don't think "take you child to work" day works very well at CTU. :)

Yeah, but I loved Kim's reaction when Chapelle said "Give it to Kim". :)

Posted by: amtsuchida

quote:
Originally posted by allan
Yeah, but I loved Kim's reaction when Chapelle said "Give it to Kim". :)

But wasn't she a nanny at the beginning of last season? Why does this baby freak her out?

Posted by: mp2526

quote:
Originally posted by amtsuchida
But wasn't she a nanny at the beginning of last season? Why does this baby freak her out?

Because it's not her job to babysit at CTU

Posted by: allan

quote:
Originally posted by amtsuchida
But wasn't she a nanny at the beginning of last season? Why does this baby freak her out?

She's probably afraid the baby's father will show up and try to kill her. :D:D:D

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by amtsuchida
But wasn't she a nanny at the beginning of last season? Why does this baby freak her out?

Maybe because she thinks, with her father's life at stake and her mother's murderer running loose, there are better uses for her time..?

Posted by: allan

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Maybe because she thinks, with her father's life at stake and her mother's murderer running loose, there are better uses for her time..?

Thinking of it that way, maybe Chapelle had the right idea! :D

Posted by: mp2526

quote:
Originally posted by allan
Thinking of it that way, maybe Chapelle had the right idea! :D

Very true!

Posted by: MacThor

quote:
Originally posted by amtsuchida
But wasn't she a nanny at the beginning of last season? Why does this baby freak her out?

That worked out well.....:rolleyes:

:)

Posted by: sieglinde

She was a nanny for an older child, one who doesn't wail and wet its diapers. I would have been incensed.

Posted by: desulliv

All that aside; nothing is going to keep her hatred of Nina from getting her in the middle of this at a crucial time.

Posted by: Big Deficit

quote:
Originally posted by amtsuchida
But wasn't she a nanny at the beginning of last season? Why does this baby freak her out?

Because she's arguably the dumbest character ever created for a TV drama. I'm amazed she survives episode to episode, I figured by now she'd simply forget how to breath.

Posted by: cheerdude

I like it at the beginning of the ep when Kim made a comment to Tony... something to the effect of "My dad would not work with Nina".....

then there was a cutaway to Jack playing tonsil hockey with Nina ! :O

Good episode - season is definitely not as good as 1 or 2, but still enjoyable.

Posted by: gchance

quote:
Originally posted by cheerdude
I like it at the beginning of the ep when Kim made a comment to Tony... something to the effect of "My dad would not work with Nina".....

then there was a cutaway to Jack playing tonsil hockey with Nina ! :O

Good episode - season is definitely not as good as 1 or 2, but still enjoyable.

Speaking of which, Jack started swapping spit with Nina at 10:59:57...

Now there isn't an onscreen time, but looking at "Tivo-time", and of course not counting the recap, 6 minutes elapse until they cut back to Jack and Nina's break from the kiss...

Yes, boys and girls, Jack & Nina made out for 6 minutes, 3 seconds.

One other thing I should point out, next week is hour 12. Time for the "dramatic plot change"! The first 12 episodes of the first two seasons have been divided cleanly in half:

Season 1 changed in episode 13 when Jack killed Gaines and another baddie took his place.
Season 2 changed in episode 13 when George Mason's gas finally gets the best of him and takes out half the desert.

I'm actually getting to like Chapelle this season. Anyone within the confines of 24 who can actually see Kim's brain-size can't be all that bad.

Greg

Posted by: dr_mal

quote:
Originally posted by gchance
Speaking of which, Jack started swapping spit with Nina at 10:59:57...

Now there isn't an onscreen time, but looking at "Tivo-time", and of course not counting the recap, 6 minutes elapse until they cut back to Jack and Nina's break from the kiss...

Yes, boys and girls, Jack & Nina made out for 6 minutes, 3 seconds.

I noticed that too :eek:

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by dr_mal
I noticed that too :eek:

Nope. They gave up on "real-time" very early in the second season (I think episode 2x02).

Posted by: Lakertime

Don't think anyone cares anymore but the scene right after Jack and Nina kissing was 11:09 and some change and the kissing scene was about two to three minutes before that so it was about 11:06 or so giving the entire make out scene about 6 minutes. For what it's worth.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by Lakertime
Don't think anyone cares anymore but the scene right after Jack and Nina kissing was 11:09 and some change and the kissing scene was about two to three minutes before that so it was about 11:06 or so giving the entire make out scene about 6 minutes. For what it's worth.

Nope. They gave up on "real-time" very early in the second season (I think episode 2x02).

(Hello? [tap tap] Is this thing on?)

Posted by: pmyers

I guess Chase's hand wasn't as hurt as I thought it was....

Posted by: Steveknj

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
I guess Chase's hand wasn't as hurt as I thought it was....

It's about as hurt as Tony's neck!! It's the magical healing powers of CTU. They should bottle it and make a mint. Then they could balance the Federal budget!!

Posted by: Steveknj

The two things I don't get (well change that to two OF the things I don't get) is:

How the Prez and Millikan will tie in with the CTU plot.

Chloe - What is her purpose? She has to tie in to something here, otherwise she might be the most annoying charachter ever on 24, and the most unnecessary!!

Posted by: scottjf8

quote:
Originally posted by Steveknj
Chloe - What is her purpose? She has to tie in to something here, otherwise she might be the most annoying charachter ever on 24, and the most unnecessary!!

Agreed.

Except you spelled her name wrong.. it's spelled K. I. M.

Posted by: Steveknj

Kim you can argue has some purpose, being Jack's daughter and Chase's b/f, so there's the family, love interest thing. Chloe has NO reason as of yet to even be IN the show, let alone having a small subplot. But I am thinking that SOMEWHERE down the line, she's going to have some purpose. At least I hope so

Posted by: pmyers

The only way I can see them tie'ing in the presidential storyline is if whatever "dirt" Sherry brings up has to do with that guy's involvement in the making of the virus.

Posted by: dr_mal

quote:
Originally posted by Steveknj
and Chase's b/f,

Now THAT would be a twist! :eek: :D

Posted by: efilippi

Chloe works at CTU. like that guy we see a couple times an episode (not the one we thought was a mole.) Do they need to have any more importance than that?

Not everybody is a star.

Posted by: jkindley

quote:
Originally posted by efilippi
Chloe works at CTU. like that guy we see a couple times an episode (not the one we thought was a mole.) Do they need to have any more importance than that?

Not everybody is a star.

True,
but the other guy is a normal persone. He does his job and isn't too much in our face. Chloe on the other hand is in our face and very very annoying.

Jim

Posted by: Frank_M

Chloe was just as annoying as Marylou on the Larry Sanders show... so I'm guessing this is becoming her specialty. :-)

Posted by: Steveknj

quote:
Originally posted by jkindley
True,
but the other guy is a normal persone. He does his job and isn't too much in our face. Chloe on the other hand is in our face and very very annoying.

Jim

And they've just added her baby to the mix and she hasn't gotten along with anyone, especially Kim since the season began.

Posted by: DougF

Regarding Chloe, I think she's annoying as well. Someone mentioned in another 24 thread that nearly everyone has worked with someone like her. Maybe that's why she's there? A little realism in the unrealistic world of 24?

Posted by: allan

quote:
Originally posted by Frozen Solid
Regarding Chloe, I think she's annoying as well. Someone mentioned in another 24 thread that nearly everyone has worked with someone like her. Maybe that's why she's there? A little realism in the unrealistic world of 24?

Sorry, but none of my annoying cow-orkers held a candle to Chloe.

Posted by: scooterboy

quote:
Originally posted by allan
Sorry, but none of my annoying cow-orkers held a candle to Chloe.

I've never herd such an udderly mooooving statement. :)

Posted by: oski87

I think Chloe is hilarious. Cant wait till she and Kim get into a knock-down bitch-slap chick fight!

Posted by: dmaneyapanda

Am I the only one annoyed that everyone on the show is constantly saying Jack's full name?

"Kim, I'm sorry to say that your father, Jack Bauer, is in Mexico."

Posted by: brott

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
The only way I can see them tie'ing in the presidential storyline is if whatever "dirt" Sherry brings up has to do with that guy's involvement in the making of the virus.

My first thought was that the President's new nemesis was actually the person instrumental in his removal last season .. Kindof the man behind all of the action. Unfortunately, that probably doesn't fit too nicely into this season :D. It would not suprise me if he was Nina's client, though. Perhaps the virus is for the president.

Posted by: devdogaz

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Nope. They gave up on "real-time" very early in the second season (I think episode 2x02).

(Hello? [tap tap] Is this thing on?)

Please explain. I'm apparently not getting the joke since they obvioulsy haven't dropped the "real-time" format of the show.

As for Chloe, I have said this before in previous threads and I'll say it again. The only reason for her character is to take the heat off Kim. In previous seasons, everyone who watched the show hated Kim and wanted her dead. Since she is sort of an integral character in the show (because of the fact that she is Jack's daughter and only remaining family) they really couldn't kill her off so my theory is they stopped putting Kim in so many stupid situations and brought in a new character that we would all love to hate. Put Kim in professional clothes and in a semi-important position, add someone worse to the cast and I'm sure they hoped to keep the critics from hating on Elisha Cuthbert. My guess is this role has actually hurt her career and maybe the producers were trying to actually give her a boost.

Posted by: DougF

The new 'do has hurt her career far more than this role. She looks awful! 'Tis a shame since she looked pretty good for the first half of season one.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by devdogaz
Please explain. I'm apparently not getting the joke since they obviously haven't dropped the "real-time" format of the show.

Yes, they have. During the first season, they had a lot of trouble with the real-time gimmick (getting from one place to another in LA always takes a lot longer than they allowed), and after the first or second episode of the second season, they went from "Events occur in real time" to just plain "The following takes place between X:00 and Y:00," which allows them to fudge on the exact times--all they guarantee is that everything within the episode takes place at some point during that hour. That has freed them to do even greater violence to the timeline (e.g., getting from Simi Valley to downtown in the middle of the day, easily an hour-long drive, in about 20 minutes).

And if you pay attention to the times they show on the screen, they do not mesh exactly with the time on your clock (which they did in the first season). Sometimes, they cheat a few minutes one way or the other, either pretending that the commercial break didn't happen, or that it took longer than it did.

In the case of the kissing scene, they obviously picked up at the exact moment they had left off. It lasted as long as it did on screen; it didn't go on while the camera was "away".

Posted by: devdogaz

Well, I've always ripped on the inconsistencies in the timeline, since they treat LA like it's 2-3 square miles and everything is 10 minutes away, but I don't think they've "dropped" the real-time format. They may not say those words anymore, and I'm not sure I've seen the seconds on the clock lately, like I remember in the first seasons, but I don't think they've changed the concept, which is that when the events are shown on the screen, that is when they occured during that hour, i.e. 7 minutes into the show is 7 minutes after the hour, etc.

Posted by: lander215

The seconds are still there. In fact, they emphasize them with the sound track.

Posted by: devdogaz

I know the seconds are still there as they go to and come back from commercials. Are the seconds still there during the scenes when they show the clock near the bottom of the screen? We watch everything with CC on and often the clock is covered up by dialogue so I rarely see the clock.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by devdogaz
...but I don't think they've changed the concept, which is that when the events are shown on the screen, that is when they occured during that hour, i.e. 7 minutes into the show is 7 minutes after the hour, etc.

No. Not any more.

It can be off by as much as four or five minutes. (I know because I watch it live, in HD, and I have a big digital clock sitting right on top of the TV.)

When they made the change early in Season 2, they specifically said they were doing it because strict real time was too hard to stick to (too many scenes of Jack driving down the street, etc.). For dramatic purposes, they have abandoned the "events occur in real time" aspect of the show.

Posted by: DancnDude

quote:
Originally posted by devdogaz
I know the seconds are still there as they go to and come back from commercials. Are the seconds still there during the scenes when they show the clock near the bottom of the screen? We watch everything with CC on and often the clock is covered up by dialogue so I rarely see the clock.

Yes they still are.

Posted by: MacThor

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
I watch it live, in HD, and I have a big digital clock sitting right on top of the TV.

All things they did in Medieval times :)

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by MacThor
All things they did in Medieval times :)

Yes, although in the Middle Ages, HD minstrals were so expensive, really only kings and popes could afford them. As for digital clocks, you had to have a slave who could not only tell time with great accuracy, but could write fast enough with Roman numerals on a slate to keep up with "real time."

Posted by: MacThor

I'm going home. It's XVII:XIII:LVIII

Posted by: dmaneyapanda

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
No. Not any more.

It can be off by as much as four or five minutes. (I know because I watch it live, in HD, and I have a big digital clock sitting right on top of the TV.)

When they made the change early in Season 2, they specifically said they were doing it because strict real time was too hard to stick to (too many scenes of Jack driving down the street, etc.). For dramatic purposes, they have abandoned the "events occur in real time" aspect of the show.

I don't know whether it's better or worse now, but they've never not had an episode that wasn't off by at least a few minutes in at least one place - the end of the episode.

The clock hits the end of the hour (i.e. 2:59:59...3:00:00), but it's NEVER right at the end of a real world hour...there is still at least a commercial break and then the "next week on 24" promos to go. My recollection is that the second last commercial break was also off by some amount as well.

So, your assertion that it was always "right on" in season 1 doesn't jive with me. Like I said, though, I dunno if it's better or worse in this season. Nor do I dispute that they may have said that they weren't going to be as tied to the "real time" aspects any more - I have no idea about that.