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JAVA HMO vs. Windows Media Player Plugin
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Posted by: Austin Bike

I just installed JavaHMO and boy am I impressed - mostly for the internet streaming radio - it's awesome.

Here's the problem. I really like Jem's Media Player Plugin because I can play music by genre.

Anybody know how I can get this to work with Java HMO?

Unfortunately JavaHMO will not run with the Tivo Desktop at the same time.

Posted by: morac

The plugin is for TiVo Desktop and therefore won't run with JavaHMO. Also since JavaHMO is written in Java and the Windows Media SDK isn't it won't be as easy to make one for JavaHMO, not to mention break any portability that JavaHMO had.

That said, you can run both JavaHMO and TiVo Desktop but currently you have to run them on 2 different computers. There is a way to get TiVo Desktop and JavaHMO to run on the same computer but it would require modifying the JavaHMO source code.

For those so inclined, here's some information:

JavaHMO uses the TiVo Beacon broadcast to tell the TiVo that it has a server running on the computer on TCP port 8081. TiVo Desktop uses TCP port 8080 (I believe) so if JavaHMO informed the TiVo that there was also a server on port 8080 the TiVo would be able to access both servers at once.

The problem comes with TiVo Desktop itself which won't run unless TiVo Beacon is running because TiVo Desktop talks to TiVo Beacon. JavaHMO won't work with TiVo Beacon running because both TiVo Beacon and JavaHMO try to listen on TCP/UDP ports 2190 which causes a conflict.

So the way around this is to stop JavaHMO from listening for TiVo broadcasts, but still have it send a broadcast to the TiVo. You could then run TiVo Beacon, TiVo Desktop and JavaHMO all at once. JavaHMO will remain in the dark about local TiVo's until they connect to it so it's not a perfect solution, but it should work.

The alternative is to figure out how TiVo Desktop and TiVo Beacon talk to each other (they use TCP port 8100) and emulate TiVo Beacon's part of that in JavaHMO. That's doable, but no where near as easy as the above.

Posted by: jakelambert

. . . what's the Jem plugin? Sounds like it's something to make WMP work with HMO, kind of like Moodlogic?

Posted by: Austin Bike

It basically lets the Tivo Desktop read WMP playlists so you can set up filters to listen to music by genre, artist, title, albus, anything you want.

very easy to use.

http://jemfiles.home.comcast.net/TiVoPlugin/index.htm

Posted by: Austin Bike

That being said, however, looks like JavaHMO has more functionality and a broader reach.

Posted by: somertivo

I too am impressed with the JavaHMO, but because all of m,usic files are in WMA format, I am happy using the Window Media Player add-in for music. I would like to use the other features of the JavaHMO, but don't know how to make both work at once. Can someone please guide me through this?

Posted by: rmturner

If you've got more than one computer in you LAN, stick JavaHMO on one and the Tivo software/Media Player plugin on another. That's what I'm doing. JavaHMO is excellent.

Posted by: somertivo

I don't have two computers, just one. Is there any way to configure the one computer for both applications? :confused:

Posted by: Austin Bike

No, the two will step over each other, JavaHMO needs to stop the TiVo Beacon service in order to work.

Posted by: vames

quote:
Originally posted by somertivo
I don't have two computers, just one. Is there any way to configure the one computer for both applications? :confused:

It's sounds like morac explained how to do that a few posts up. Haven't tried it myself, but it's probably worth a shot.

For those of you running JavaHMO on one box and Tivo/Media Player on another; do either of these programs have problems publishing network shares? All my media is on one PC, but shared, will I be able to publish something from PC#2 that resides on a network share on PC#1 ? (nested share, I guess)