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Starship Troopers 2
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Posted by: jones07

Starship Troopers 2 ? This is the first I heard about a sequel. Unlike most I enjoyed Starship Troopers one.
Looking forward to Starship Troopers 2 on Starz

Starship Troopers 2 Source: Tippett Studio

The Bugs are back! Starship Troopers 2: Hero of the Federation, directed by Tippett Studio founder, Phil Tippett, is scheduled to premiere on the STARZ! network in April followed by a wide DVD release in early summer.

In the sequel, a small group of troopers find themselves taking refuge in an abandoned outpost as they attempt to fight the encroaching Arachnids - not realizing that a much graver danger is actually infiltrating their unit...

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Posted by: Big Deficit

I'll check it out, but considering it's a direct to video release, I'm not expecting much. Starship Troopers (ST1?) was a disappointment in theaters but did OK in video release. I think it benefited more from being a big effect DVD release just when the masses got their new DVD player and surround sound than being a good movie.

Posted by: Fleegle

Starship Troopers would have been an OK movie if it was an independant movie. It bore about 1% similarity to the book upon which it is supposedly based. The book is a parody of Facism, and while the movie had a bit of that in it, all they did was take a few events and throw them into a campy action shoot-em-up.

I guess I'm really just frustrated that we'll likely never see an actual Starship Troopers adaptation because this schlock was made. That's a real shame because it was a very powerful book.

Posted by: Worf

Ah yes, Starship Troopers was one of my favorite books. Turned me onto Heinlein.

I just wished the movie didn't alter the true meaning of the book so much...

Posted by: tgr131

I loved Heinlein's Juvenile Fiction works:

Farmer in the Sky
Between Planets
Space Cadet
The Star Beast
Have Space Suit, Will Travel
Citizen of the Galaxy
Rocket Ship Galileo

Couldn't Stand his Future History stuff:

Job: A Comedy of Justice
The Number of the Beast
Time Enough for Love
etc.

Starship Troopers was a great book. I thought the movie was ok. Dina Meyers is hot. I suffered thru Birds of Prey just to watch her.

Posted by: JMikeD

quote:
Originally posted by tgr131
I loved Heinlein's Juvenile Fiction works:

Farmer in the Sky
Between Planets
Space Cadet
The Star Beast
Have Space Suit, Will Travel
Citizen of the Galaxy
Rocket Ship Galileo

Couldn't Stand his Future History stuff:

Job: A Comedy of Justice
The Number of the Beast
Time Enough for Love
etc.

I'm with you there.

Posted by: Fustanella

Do we get to see powered armor and the thirty-second bomb? If not, I ain't interested. :D

I agree that the original movie utterly missed the satiric point of the novel. Did I want to learn more? Not really, not after they butchered it in film.

Myself and my high-school "sisters" Laz and Lor thoroughly enjoyed his Future History, unlike some heathens here. ;)

Posted by: fonamna

I enjoyed both the movie and the book as seperate entities. The animation (based on the book), now that was crap. I don't get Starz! so I'll have to wait for the DVD, if it''s worth seeing at all.

Posted by: OzarkLad

Starship Troopers

Also known as: Hollywood 90210 Goes to War!
:D

Posted by: jones07

They were some cute looking Troopers
:p

Posted by: tgr131

quote:
Originally posted by Fustanella

Myself and my high-school "sisters" Laz and Lor thoroughly enjoyed his Future History, unlike some heathens here. ;)

Educate me then! Number of the Beast started out strong, but lost it's focus. I really enjoyed the artwork in my edition (although my parents would have died if they had seen it). But it seemed to meander, and I never finished it.

Time enough for love seemed to be a bunch of interesting short stories sprinkled into an unintelligible overall frame.

I did like Revolt in 2100.

Posted by: Rcrew

So is this going to end up being a serious science fiction thread, or can was just drool over the possibility of more naked co-ed shower scenes? :D

Posted by: zaknafein

quote:
Originally posted by jones07
They were some cute looking Troopers
:p

Indeed. The film's gratuitous nudity was its only high point...

Posted by: ZikZak

Ahh, Starship Troopers: The Movie. The movie that dares to make you root for the Nazis! Blek. :)

Posted by: tgr131

quote:
Originally posted by Rcrew
So is this going to end up being a serious science fiction thread, or can was just drool over the possibility of more naked co-ed shower scenes? :D

Well excuse me for trying to pad my post count by starting serious discussions. :D

Posted by: Frylock

OK, someone explain to me why Starship Troopers was a good book? I saw the movie and thought it was horrible (with the exception of the aformentioned nudity). Everyone said the book was better, so I read the book. While it was ok, and yes, I did get it was a satire, I found it somewhat lacking.

Posted by: Rcrew

quote:
Originally posted by tgr131
Well excuse me for trying to pad my post count by starting serious discussions. :D

Hey, no excuse me necessary. I was feeling out of place introducing the nudity aspect of the film when you all were seeming to have an indepth discussion of the merits of the original text and it's relationship to serious science fiction.

Move along... nothing to see here...

Posted by: Big_Daddy

quote:
Originally posted by Big Deficit
Starship Troopers (ST1?) was a disappointment in theaters but did OK in video release. I think it benefited more from being a big effect DVD release just when the masses got their new DVD player and surround sound than being a good movie.

That is the truth. My father-in-law bought this movie because it came out just at the time he bought a DVD player/surround sound system - it was what was in the store that had bells and whistles!

I think he finally shuffled it off on eBay.

Posted by: devdogaz

I totally agree that Dina Meyer's breasts were the only worthwhile part of that movie. She hasn't been in too many things lately so maybe she was up for appearing in the sequel.

Posted by: dswallow

I loved the movie, especially the whole style of the story presentation like one big propaganda film.

I don't really know if I've read the book. Well, I'm sure I've read the book, since I have the book, but it was during my childhood, which is getting to be rather long ago, and I really don't remember much, if any, of it.

I can watch that movie over and over and still not be bored with it. I have watched it many, many times. I've also had friends come visit who had never seen it, and one in particular from Amsterdam spent two days watching it, over and over. He loved it so much.

I kinda doubt this sequel will have a similar feel at all; but I'm hopeful it manages to capture some of it. We'll see. It may turn out to be total schlock, but I'm willing to give it a try. I'd rather have seen the original director involved... as well as the original cast -- as I've seen no mention if any of the original cast is in this sequel -- other than the bugs.

Posted by: Rcrew

I really loved Doogie Howser as the telepathic military intelligence officer!

I have watched this movie many times too. I don't remember the exact dialog , but when the kids go to sign up for service and talk to the military clerk with all the prosthesis...

Posted by: drew2k

Quick detour back to Heinlein's other works: I've always loved "Citizen of the Galaxy" and have been hoping for a long time that someone would make a movie out of it. I'm sure I'll be waiting forever .... :(

Posted by: sieglinde

I pointed out to a friend that they were using the wrong weapons on the bugs, automatic rifles. She said that the movie seemed to take place in the '50s and that they may not have had the technology. I pointed out that I meant flame throwers just like the ones used in WW II. Why didn't they use flame throwers? Still bugs me.

Posted by: Rcrew

quote:
Originally posted by sieglinde
Why didn't they use flame throwers? Still bugs me.

Cheaper production?

Posted by: jones07

Automatic rifles that hold 10,000 rounds a clip looks better

Do anyone ever run out of rounds in Starship Troopers :p

Posted by: zaknafein

Paul Tatara had an absolutely brilliant review on CNN when ST1 first came out. (fount it -- here) Too bad Tatara is no longer a critic. His reviews were almost always extremely entertaining.

Posted by: Kylep

quote:
Originally posted by jones07
Automatic rifles that hold 10,000 rounds a clip looks better

Do anyone ever run out of rounds in Starship Troopers :p

Diz ran out of ammo, and had to get another clip. I remember thinking how odd it was that she was out of ammo since she spent most of the fight trying to get communications up. She must not carry as much ammo as everyone else.

I just watched last night. :)

Posted by: tgr131

quote:
Originally posted by drew2k
Quick detour back to Heinlein's other works: I've always loved "Citizen of the Galaxy" and have been hoping for a long time that someone would make a movie out of it. I'm sure I'll be waiting forever .... :(

Citizen of the Galaxy was great. My first attempt at reading it was abandoned -- I think I was 9 or 10. The opening chapter upset me. I went back to it a few years later and really enjoyed it.

Now, back to the breasts and bullets.

Posted by: hbtaylor

quote:
Originally posted by Frylock
OK, someone explain to me why Starship Troopers was a good book? I saw the movie and thought it was horrible (with the exception of the aformentioned nudity). Everyone said the book was better, so I read the book. While it was ok, and yes, I did get it was a satire, I found it somewhat lacking.

Starship Troopers is one of the Heinlein books that I re-read every year or so. For me, it is because the whole story is told from Rico's viewpoint, where you can see him start out as a self-centered kid who only joins up in order to try to be near a girl (and to follow along with a friend). He goes through a lot of experiences and gradually comes to realize that there is more to life (and more to HIMSELF) than he thought. He comes to believe in something much more important than himself.

In addition to the character issues, I really liked Heinlein's descriptions of Basic Training, which seemed like it could really exist, even with the "sci-fi" parts involved. One of my biggest problems with the movie (ST1?) was the way they pretty much did away with powered armor and replaced it with masses of troops. One of the parts I liked best was when Rico described how having another Cap Trooper within a quarter of a mile made him feel claustrophobic.

My wife and kids had seen that a movie based on the book was made, and I told them the book was much better. We decided to have me read the book to them. I got through two chapters with not a single complaint from them. I came back from work the next day to find that my wife had picked it up and read to the end.

If nothing else, the description of Rodger Young at the end of the book always affects me profoundly.

I like the book. :)

H.B.

Posted by: hbtaylor

quote:
Originally posted by tgr131
Educate me then! Number of the Beast started out strong, but lost it's focus. I really enjoyed the artwork in my edition (although my parents would have died if they had seen it). But it seemed to meander, and I never finished it.

Time enough for love seemed to be a bunch of interesting short stories sprinkled into an unintelligible overall frame.

I did like Revolt in 2100.

Try this article . I thought I saw something like this going on, since Heinlein used cliches I hadn't seen him use before. It seemed out of place for him. After reading this article, it made a lot more sense.

Revolt in 2100 is great! That would make a good movie, but you would have to set it up with a description of Scudder and what set up the original situation in the first place, but the events could really make a good movie. I have The Past Through Tomorrow which contains Revolt, and really like it. I guess I am in the minority of people who like pretty much the whole Future History line (actually, there isn't much Heinlein I don't like). I like Time Enough For Love and the rest of Lazarus' stories.

H.B.

Posted by: Fustanella

I'll have to go back and read that now. Hm!

Posted by: tgr131

quote:
Originally posted by hbtaylor
Try this article . I thought I saw something like this going on, since Heinlein used cliches I hadn't seen him use before. It seemed out of place for him. After reading this article, it made a lot more sense.

H.B.

Great article and site! Kind of an aside -- I own most of heinlein's works. i recently had a chance to download a few to read on my pda. It was interesting, they appeared to be unedited -- they had extra chapters and stuff -- stuff that I was glad the editors removed because they made some of the stories drag. Wonder how those got out there "in the wild"?

Posted by: philw1776

I LOVED the Heinlein juveniles

Other good adult Henlein...
The Puppet Masters (also somewhat butchered in a movie)
Double Star
Glory Road
The Door into Summer
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

Starting with Stranger in a Strange Land he became obsessed with themes of old guys having sex with nubile young women, often related and going back in time and having sex with his mother. Too wacky for me.

Posted by: sieglinde

The uniforms looked to me like they had bought out East German Army surplus. :)

Posted by: Rcrew

quote:
Originally posted by tgr131
Now, back to the breasts and bullets.

Thanks for keeping this thread on proper track. However all the support for the original book has piqued my curiosity enough to read it.

Posted by: zaknafein

quote:
Originally posted by sieglinde
The uniforms looked to me like they had bought out East German Army surplus. :)

You aren't the only one. Read Tatara's review I linked above.

Posted by: JYoung

I also encourage you to read the book.
The movie was related to the book in name only as far as I'm concerned and totally missed the point.

Posted by: drew2k

quote:
Originally posted by JYoung
I also encourage you to read the book.
The movie was related to the book in name only as far as I'm concerned and totally missed the point.

Seems to happen a lot. Take Battlefield Earth, by L. Ron Hubbard, and the atrocity that was the movie ... :rolleyes: Such an excellent book sullied by such a failure of a film ...

Posted by: tgr131

quote:
Originally posted by Rcrew
Thanks for keeping this thread on proper track. However all the support for the original book has piqued my curiosity enough to read it.

It's a quick read. Undisturbed I can read it in an afternoon. Of course, I've read it a million times, so I may be a bit faster than many. :D

Well worth your time to see what we are talking about.

Report back, and let us know what you think!

Posted by: TreborPugly

If you can get by the fact that all of Heinlein's characters are perfect people, his novels can be very entertaining. I am a science fiction glutton, so I've read every single thing he's written. The fun part about authors with lots of books and an idea of a thread between them is connecting the books. He does a pretty good job of connecting his books and also manages to pull in some E.E. "Doc" Smith books.

I wouldn't call _Battlefield_Earth_ an excelleng book. I enjoyed it because it was very thick and full of plot. But it isn't really great prose or particularly deep. There was just way too much plot to make a single movie out of it.

Treb.

Posted by: Frylock

Chrichton is another great example of good books (not world-worthy novels, but good reads) and bad movies...

Posted by: drew2k

quote:
Originally posted by TreborPugly
I wouldn't call _Battlefield_Earth_ an excelleng book. I enjoyed it because it was very thick and full of plot. But it isn't really great prose or particularly deep. There was just way too much plot to make a single movie out of it.

Well, it was excellent for me! :)

I thought the book had everything: drama, adventure, satire, wit, a smidgen of romance, and a great overall story. As you point out, there were many subplots, but IMO this book should have been produced as a trilogy, not as a single movie. To me, there were three easy points that could have split the book:

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Johnny's early years and his captivity and training by Terl; Johny's rebellion and recruitment of others preparing for a global rebellion; and finally, the final revolt against the Psychlos and the rebirth of human government and entry onto a galactic stage.

Yes, I dream big! This would have required a major commitment form a studio, an excellent screenwriter, and lots of bucks. And of course, a restraining order to keep John Travolta a minimum of 2 miles away from production at all times. It's sad that his involvement resulted in a movie that I bet even Hubbard would have disowned. :(

Posted by: jones07

without John Travolta Battlefield_Earth may not have ever been made...........That could have been a good thing. :p

Posted by: dswallow

I should have known better.

Sequel.

Original director not involved.

Original cast not involved.

Original scriptwriter *is* involved. Pity him for he's lost any possible previously earned respect for this pile of garbage.

No theatrical release, or so short nobody noticed.

DVD priced under $10 at BJ's Wholesale Club.

The movie is a classic example of stupidity in filmmaking.

Blech.

I watched the whole thing.

It never even came close to the campiness of the original; it never even came close to a consistent believable storyline within the universe that was established in the original; and to top it off, we get a contrived storyline based on the bugs new capability. They couldn't even be bothered adding a blinking (or even non-blinking) "Do you want to know more?" to the screen while the announcer was speaking. It's like someone saw the dailies and refused to authorize even that amount of limited production work on the released version, cutting their losses.

There was barely even any nudity! And few people I'd even have wanted to see nude anyway!

Total worthless garbage. Save your $10. Don't bother with the DVD. I'm gonna have to watch the original again just to cleanse my brain of this filth and restore some good memories about Starship Troopers. In fact, watching the original backwards would be more entertaining than seeing this horrible excuse for a movie. Watching Casper Van Dien brush his teeth would have more plot. What a waste of money to produce.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0367093/

Posted by: jones07

I saw it on Starz Action channel. I agree with most of your review. I have a very high level for pain when it comes to sc-ifi movies, So I say it's watchable. if you are watching it on Cable. To buy it.......No way.

I Don't think there will ever be a Starship Troopers 3

Forgot to add.............What were they thinking ? :o

Posted by: Worf

I think the only thing that was close to the books was Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles. Now that was a nice series (the last DVD just came out, too).

Posted by: DLL66

Don't even waste your time on Starship Trooper 2. I wasted my time watching it and I want it back!!!!!

Posted by: SWFan

Dang it! Its already on its way from Netflix. :mad:

Posted by: dansee

quote:
Originally posted by SWFan
Dang it! Its already on its way from Netflix. :mad:

Oh God. I'm so, so, very sorry to hear it.

Posted by: jones07

quote:
Originally posted by SWFan
Dang it! Its already on its way from Netflix. :mad:

Watch it and make up your own mind.............Then report back :p

Posted by: TiVoOpsMgr

Heh. I tripped across the listing for this movie on Starz and recorded it. I fully agree with the reviews here about how horrible this movie is. But the low production values made it very funny (unintentionally so) -- especially the bad editing during the fight scenes, where they recycled footage of the bugs from the original. Shades of old blue screen-style special effects montages! The new low rent actors are screaming lines like, "Keep firing soldiers!" Meanwhile, in some OTHER battle far away, the bugs...

The mind-blowing thing for me is this is directed by Phil Tippett, of Tippett Studios. When the head of a special effects house directs a movie, I don't necessarily expect Oscar-winning performances from the actors. But I do expect good special effects. I'm surprised anyone associated with this wanted their names left in the credits. And I'm surprised Ed Neumeier, writer of this and the Robocop series, came up with such a clunker of a script.

Posted by: dcheesi

I knew it was bad when I looked at the cover --they literally pasted the new actors faces over the original headshot(s) from the first movie!

Posted by: SWFan

quote:
Originally posted by jones07
Watch it and make up your own mind.............Then report back :p

Normally I would, but I don't want to be in this guy's position:

quote:
I wasted my time watching it and I want it back!!!!!

Posted by: SWFan

OMG. I just got home and there was a Netflix arrival. I opened it up to find this:

http://idisk.mac.com/dougcpa/Public/st2.jpg

And then the music/effect sounds from the shower scene in Psycho started playing in my head :eek:

Posted by: SWFan

Just finished it and my vision is blurred....

Posted by: jones07

Just be thankful that it was a very short movie.

Posted by: SWFan

quote:
Originally posted by jones07
Just be thankful that it was a very short movie.

And with FF, it was even shorter. :D

Posted by: jones07

Starship Troopers 2: Hero of the Federation Review............Just For the hell of it. ;)

http://www.dvdfile.com/software/rev...ptroopers2.html

Posted by: brahamt

A direct to video sequel of a bad movie (and I liked the original). What did we expect?

Posted by: jones07

I expected better when I first heard about ST-2 being made. But I did not realize it was being made for 5% of the first film's budget.

I guess the lesson learned here is. If the first movie fails to make a profit, Don't do a sequel. :p

Posted by: jcnewman

quote:
Originally posted by Worf
I think the only thing that was close to the books was Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles. Now that was a nice series (the last DVD just came out, too).

i wanted to recommend that you all check out Roughnecks: The Starship Troopers chronicles which is available on DVD through Netflix. There are at least 6 seasons (discs) of Bug Squashing. The action is all CGI...and is completely fantastic. Anyone else besides the Klingon seen it? :D

Posted by: jones07

Does anyone know order of the DVD campaigns. Bought one "The Starship Troopers chronicles" DVD 2 months ago. Like to get them all, but would like to buy/watch them in the right order of the campaigns.
Anyone ?

Posted by: Worf

This link contains the original series episode list. I can't find the mapping of episodes to DVDs, but that list contains most of the DVD campaign names. I think a few are renamed, though.

Posted by: jones07

Thanks. Just what I was looking for.

I lucked out The Pluto Campaign is the first. Just the one I have.