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Smallville 2/11 SPOILERS!
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Posted by: Bryanmc

What a non event Pa Kent's 'death' was. Or so it seems. But I was pretty disappointed that more didn't come of it in this show.

Adam is becoming more interesting.

I'm glad that Clark is not all buddy buddy with Pete just yet.

Posted by: Graymalkin

Got to save something for sweeps.

It's fairly obvious now that Adam is not Bruce Wayne. Maybe he's Eclipso.

Posted by: drew2k

Anyone recognize Dante? I was really hoping he would say just once, "But, why Sydney?"* :)

This was a Lana-Lite episode, and I don't think the show suffered for it. I didn't miss those meaningful looks Clark and Lana always shot at each other, and it was good to see more of Clark and Pete together.

Also, very cool effect with the red-eye and blood drip.

* If you didn't recognize him, Dante was played by Ryan Merriman, Young Jarod on Pretender.

Posted by: WinBear

quote:
Originally posted by drew2k
Anyone recognize Dante? I was really hoping he would say just once, "But, why Sydney?"* :)

I reconized "Ryan Merriman" in the credits and didn't have to wait very long to see who he was playing. The young Pretender is growing up nicely.

Posted by: Peter000

As with Angel, I liked this episode alot more than I thought I would. It's good to see more of Pete as Clark's friend. And the plot was almost secondary to the relationship between the two, more of a device to grow the characters as it should be (IMO).

I really don't give a rip about the Adam stuff... it just hasn't grabbed me. I wish they'd get it over with, or at least go somewhere with it for an episode.

Posted by: edc

quote:

What a non event Pa Kent's 'death' was. Or so it seems. But I was pretty disappointed that more didn't come of it in this show.

It isn't over yet.

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)

There is at least one more episode ("Resurrection") in a couple weeks where Jonathan may need open-heart surgery.

quote:

It's fairly obvious now that Adam is not Bruce Wayne.

Millar/Gough have confirmed that Adam is not Batman.

Posted by: JYoung

This episode wasn't as bad as you feared, Bryon

I'll echo most of the comments here and just throw out this speculation.
Is Adam the first stage of the Bizarro project?

Posted by: Herg

Maybe I'm the only one who did think it was a terrible episode. I almost had to turn it off when they said "Kryptonite booster module".

Posted by: jschuman

"Kryptonite - Is there anything it can't do?" - Homer S. :)

Personally, I thought this episode was pretty weak. The Adam stuff is too drawn out (IMHO). Just get to the payoff already.

Oh, and what's with Pete with the "it's time to save me" comment? Uh, didn't Clark save you from getting crushed in the trunk of a car like 2 weeks ago?

Posted by: Big_Daddy

I agree - this episode was much better than I expected.

TPTB are continuing to drive Clark into a bizarre place, honing the reasons why he keeps his powers secret - fear of harm to his loved ones, and with this Pete episode, fear of exploitation. Interestingly, Pete used the same line on Clark that Clark used on Pa Kent (I'm not going to let this happen again), but in hearing it from Pete, Clark knew how hollow that statement was.

And Lex, Lex, Lex. It was Lex-light as well as Lana-light. But Lex's cavalier, "take care of it on your own" attitude makes me wonder if more of Lex's memories persisted than he's willing to let on. And now, Clark's lied to Lex AGAIN.

It's becoming more apparent that the fallout between Lex and Clark may be less the changes in Lex (although that's going to play some role) but rather Clark's continued deception. Because now Clark isn't just deceiving Lex about his own powers (which would be understandable) but also about Lex's past and helping Pete.

Like others have said, this likely isn't the end of Pa Kent's problems.

Regarding Lana, although they are stretching the Adam thing out, this is likely so it can have more of an impact on Clark. I think something bad will happen to Lana as a result of this - and Clark will be left with the conundrum that when he's around bad things happen, and when he stays away, bad things happen. So what's a young Superman to do?

Posted by: jschuman

Sometimes reading everyone's analysis of this show (on this board), is better than the show itself!

Posted by: Bryanmc

Clearly we're going to see more of Pa Kent's situation with Jor-El, I just wish we'd been thrown some kind of bone in this episode.

The last one ended so dramatically, then this one picks up and 'Oh, he's fine.'

I wanted to get into the meat of the deal a bit, or have Pa struggling for life for a little while or something.

Posted by: Rcrew

Thinking back, and reading here, I have to lean toward the 'weak episode' side. Enjoyed it, but it wasn't stunning. Instead of krypton freek of the week, we have alternate use #327.

I'm not a big enough fan to know if this is justified, but I'm troubled that Clark is so easily trumped by circumstances, IE: kryptonite boosters, conveniently A) in the hands of an underling, and B) located in the trunk...

I thought there was a great exchange between Clark and Lana at the hospital.

Lastly, Lex's interest in the 'project'. Is he interested in finding something to enhance himself?

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by Rcrew

Lastly, Lex's interest in the 'project'. Is he interested in finding something to enhance himself?

Remember that Lex's white blood count (or something) is apparently through the roof as a result of the meteor shower, or so he thinks.

I think this is why he's interested in the scientist, to help him figure it out.

This is the second time (recently) that Lex has busted someone for doing something illegal, then pocketed the person for his benefit.

The other was that mind doctor, to help him regain his memory.

Posted by: Big_Daddy

quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc

This is the second time (recently) that Lex has busted someone for doing something illegal, then pocketed the person for his benefit.

The other was that mind doctor, to help him regain his memory.

I'd forgotten about that! Oh, Lex, you're up to something...

Posted by: whitson77

I was surprised. The ep was better than I thought as well. I thought Clark was a bit of a donkey for not forgiving Pete. Dante was trying to kill and got what he deserved. No loss there.

Lex is always up to "something." I always enjoy finding out what that is.

My biggest complaint has to do with the WB. Smallville VELOCITY pasted over the TV is a beating. Plus the PROMO for next THE OBSESSION. That is weak. Quit the repeated episode tagging. Next weeks episode looks like a suck fest. But I thought that about this one too.

Clark should hit it, and quit it. :D

Posted by: Bryanmc

I always try to not read the episode guide data as it almost always spoils something fairly huge.

I would have been safe, however had I read it from last night's show.

It said:
Thugs threaten Pete's life after he deliberately loses the street race; Jonathan's deal with Jor-El begins to take a terrible toll.

Pete deliberately won the street race and there was nothing in the episode even close to what I'd call 'beginning to take a terrible toll' with the Jor-El deal.

Posted by: nataylor

So what happened to Dante? Did they just leave him there dead? Way to show superior morals, Supes!

Posted by: Bryanmc

He burned him up with his heat vision.

Posted by: jwjody

quote:
Originally posted by nataylor
So what happened to Dante? Did they just leave him there dead? Way to show superior morals, Supes!

That's what I was wondering at the end. Pete was involved in street racing which is illegal to begin with, then a person dies from it, Clark is locked up in the trunk, and they just gloss over the whole thing.

I thought the episode was good up until that and after that with Clark and Pete at the basketball goal.

J

Posted by: Bryanmc

So you guys didn't like the exchange with Pete and Clark at the end?

I thought it was great.

Posted by: nataylor

quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc
So you guys didn't like the exchange with Pete and Clark at the end?

I liked the exchange fine. But I thought there had to be something more between just leaving a dead guy in a car on the side of the road and that exchange. So what happens when the sheriff shows up at the Kent house asking how Dante, a guy he just accused of grand-theft auto, ended up dead? What happens when the sheriff talks to some of the gear-heads in the shop class and finds out about Ross the Boss? I just can't imagine that this wouldn't come back to haunt Clark and Pete.

Posted by: Bryanmc

Yeah, I agree that the death is a huge loose end.

Posted by: Rcrew

quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc
So you guys didn't like the exchange with Pete and Clark at the end?

While it was happening, I too thought Clark should have acknowledged Pete. I was left uncomfortable.

In fact, it caused me to think! What a concept! A TV program that gives you cause to pause...

What did I come up with? I probably would have done exactly the same thing as Clark. What we got last night was an honest representation by some thoughtful writers. Anything short of having Clark stoically walk away would have been a cheap sell out.

Posted by: jschuman

quote:
Originally posted by Rcrew
While it was happening, I too thought Clark should have acknowledged Pete. I was left uncomfortable.

In fact, it caused me to think! What a concept! A TV program that gives you cause to pause...

What did I come up with? I probably would have done exactly the same thing as Clark. What we got last night was an honest representation by some thoughtful writers. Anything short of having Clark stoically walk away would have been a cheap sell out.

I agree that it was an interesting and appropriate way to end the discussion. However, I disagree that it was the right thing for Clark to do. I thought it was quite "holier than though" of him, especially since he put a lot of people in a lot of danger with his (poor) choice with the red kryptonite ring. Thoughts?

Posted by: Drewster

I thought this episode sucked ass, right up until the exchange with Pete at the end. It crystalizes their friendship and provides clarity for Clark on the depth of his burden.

However, I got the idea that the episode was born from the germ of this exchange, and the entire preceding plot was written to get them to that point. Lame.

Posted by: smak

I don't know what kind of power Gough/Milllar have, but this episode (and next week's) conjures up images of the WB brass having way too much influence.

Even their corny, stupid show titles, which the WB does a lot, are something I don't think G/M would do.

-smak-

Posted by: dr_mal

This episode was such an after-school special. Oh no -- little Johnny is speeding! The horror!

Is there some rule that every episode has to have a scene in the hospital? Bo Duke this week, Coach whats-his-name last week, Lana and Adam with the whole rehab thing... it's not like there's even a nurse or doctor or anyone in the principal cast :confused: (I've only been watching since November when our local WB went HD -- maybe it's just been a fluke the last few episodes)

Posted by: sjm3rd

Did anyone notice the BMW logo on one of the cars in the shop yard, as the hood was raised? It only lasted about 3 frames and was about 7 minutes in to the show. Does this quality as subliminal advertising? Originally I thought it was a very good cars, as that company's cars are the best on the planet, imo, but I thought about it more and was wondering if it was a good thing. Let me know, please, if anyone else noticed it.

Also, concerning ethics of racing, I really wondered why Clark didn't encourage Pete to try out racing for real, i.e. legit. If he was so good at it, it sounds like a great option, rather than suggesting basketball. Basketball, for Pete? Come on. Who's been smoking on that writing team? Thanks.

sj

Posted by: allan

I liked this ep, but Dante's death WAS a loose end. One complaint I have with the series as a whole is the overuse of kryptonite. Just how big WAS that meteor shower anyway? Did the whole planet come down over Smallville?

Posted by: MitchO

And he doesn't even MENTION football, even tho he's wearing pads and taking off a helmet in the opening credits!! I mean, i know Lana's ex was the "star QB", but he has to consider himself a decent player if he's on the team.

Posted by: sschwart

WB seems to like making shows do things that they have no business doing. Smallville is not the fast and the furious, or any other racing movie, and the entire thing seemed incredibly forced and contrived. Other than some nice personal interations between Clark and Pete at the end, I thought the entire episode was a waste of an hour.

Posted by: Rcrew

I wouldn't say it was a waste of an hour. We have a new development for Lex, IE: the new scientist working directly for him.

There was also the scene when Lex confronts Clark about the missing Porche. Earlier, Bryan?, mentioned Lex putting people in his pocket, but didn't include Clark. I to think Lex does that, but just doesn't have enough on Clark to get him there yet, or has true loyalty to Clark, and wouldn't do that to him.

Posted by: drew2k

Well, if the episode is going to be nit-picked, you also have to wonder why none of Pete's friends knew that he was drag racing for over a month. Why didn't they pick up any rumors about "Ross the Boss"? Why didn't Chloe ever investigate the ongoing drag racing if it's been going on so long? Maybe it wasn't weird enough for her, but I thought when Clark found out Pete was racing he said someone had already died on that road.

There was also another loose end: who's the bad deputy sheriff that was in Dante's back pocket? Is Clark ever going to look into it or anonymously tell Sheriff Sourpuss?

I'm going to ignore these shortcomings and just focus on the relationships that were strained and maybe even changed in this episode. Lana no longer trusts Adam and by the end, was actually afraid of him. Lex learned Clark is not the always-perfect guy he seems to be and that Clark can be dishonest if needed. And of course, Pete and Clark. Pete now has to regain Clark's confidence, and Clark has to learn to forgive his best friend for making Clark lie, cheat, and steal.

Posted by: jschuman

quote:
Originally posted by drew2k
There was also another loose end: who's the bad deputy sheriff that was in Dante's back pocket? Is Clark ever going to look into it or anonymously tell Sheriff Sourpuss?

"Sheriff Sourpuss" - that's a good one. :D

Posted by: Big_Daddy

quote:
Originally posted by Rcrew

There was also the scene when Lex confronts Clark about the missing Porche. Earlier, Bryan?, mentioned Lex putting people in his pocket, but didn't include Clark. I to think Lex does that, but just doesn't have enough on Clark to get him there yet, or has true loyalty to Clark, and wouldn't do that to him.

Or he's given up trying to pry information about Clark from Clark. This could be because 1) he's realized it's futile, so he's examining other sources, 2) other things are more important (such as recovering his memory), or 3) he remembers more than he's letting on.

Posted by: smak

To the superman gurus here. Has Jor-El ever done anything like he's doing on Smallville in any previous incarnation of Superman?

-smak-

Posted by: JYoung

quote:
Originally posted by smak
To the superman gurus here. Has Jor-El ever done anything like he's doing on Smallville in any previous incarnation of Superman?

-smak-

Not that I'm aware of.
Jor-El coming to Earth before Kal-El was also a departure from the previous mythos.

Posted by: Drewster

quote:
Originally posted by smak
To the superman gurus here. Has Jor-El ever done anything like he's doing on Smallville in any previous incarnation of Superman?

-smak-

Anybody else really bothered by how the show interacts with Jor-El as though he were still alive?

Posted by: Fleegle

No more than I was at how Superman interacted with Jor-El in the movies.

Posted by: KLB

The exchange between Clark and Pete at the end came off as Clark being petty--- they could have worked on it a bit more --- he comes off as being that way when he walks away from Lana after she tells him how she feels and in other situations.

I guess he's preparing himself for a life alone and getting ready to just have to stand by and watch all his friends and family die off around him.

Posted by: kettledrum

quote:
Originally posted by sjm3rd
Did anyone notice the BMW logo on one of the cars in the shop yard, as the hood was raised?

I can remember thinking that one of the cars was a BMW but at the moment I can't remember the logo you're talking about. Maybe it *was* subliminal for me!

Posted by: ClutchBrake

I know I'm the only one but I hate Pete. As a character as well as an actor he is absolutely worthless. His acting skills are poor even by WB standards. I was really hoping he would get blown up.

Posted by: Big_Daddy

quote:
Originally posted by ClutchBrake
I know I'm the only one but I hate Pete. As a character as well as an actor he is absolutely worthless. His acting skills are poor even by WB standards. I was really hoping he would get blown up.

He is a little wooden, but not a horrible actor. His main problem is that there just isn't much for him to do - we go a few episodes without seeing him (except maybe for the occasional cameo) then we get a heavy-Pete episode. Not the best way to do it. He potentially could be very interesting, playing into how it can be a burden to keep Clark's secrets. They touched on this recently, but one episode is not enough to really build this theme.

Posted by: LooseWiring

But he can't get blown up he's the...

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
future Vice President of the United States and husband to Lana.

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by LooseWiring
But he can't get blown up he's the...
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
future Vice President of the United States and husband to Lana.

Only in the comics.

That doesn't have to happen here.

We've already had one significant change, in the comics Pete doesn't know Clark's secret.

Posted by: holee

quote:
Originally posted by ClutchBrake
I know I'm the only one but I hate Pete. As a character as well as an actor he is absolutely worthless. His acting skills are poor even by WB standards. I was really hoping he would get blown up.

You're not the only one. I hate him too. The only thing he has to do on the show is to be Clark's sidekick or enemy. And he doesn't do either very well. I can tolerate him when he's the sidekick, at least, but he's REALLY annoying when he's being evil, like in this episode.

I mean for God's sake, Kryptonite-powered cars? Are you STUPID? You're feeding alien radioactive rocks into cars, which then PUMP OUT RADIATION INTO THE ATMOSPHERE??? These rocks, which btw turn EVERYONE in town into super-villains. And now you're sniffing it? And when your best friend calls you on it, your first response is to get even more uppity. I just don't believe him as a realistic character.

They really ought to get rid of the character, or give him more to do. The same goes for Lana. They're either getting kidnapped and need rescuing, or trying to kill Clark and need rescuing. Frankly, if either of them were my friends, I'd find new, less needy friends. Go hang with Chloe more. At least she hasn't needed to be rescued more than once this season.

Posted by: TonyD79

quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc
Only in the comics.

That doesn't have to happen here.

We've already had one significant change, in the comics Pete doesn't know Clark's secret.

I vote here for hating the current Superman comics. I read them once in a while (for free in bookstore).

What a jumbled mess. Part of the fun of comics was having them in "my" world. Superman is in some distorted version of non-reality these days.

Yuck.

Posted by: Drewster

quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc
We've already had one significant change, in the comics Pete doesn't know Clark's secret.

Oh Christ, don't tell me that this is yet another Byrne abomination? Pete Ross has known Clark's secret for decades, and now Bryan tells me that he doesn't in the current comics? If I ever see that Byrne guy at the mall, he is going to get such a bitch-slapping...

I, for one, am glad to see Luthor reverting to form in the latest Superman/Batman. All he needs to do next is knock off Jonathon and Martha and all will be right in the world.