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Survivor 2/12 *** SPOILERS ***
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Posted by: jradosh
Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I was a bit misty over the conclusion of this episode :(
Kudos for Boston Rob on two fronts... he gets to build a tree-house with Home Depot tools (great product-plug BTW), and he gets to nuzzle with Amber. Schweeet!
Rupert looked a bit like an ass in this ep. I hope he redeems himself.
Eeewww... bug bites! :p
Posted by: Family
I can't get past the lies. Just have Jenna say the producers gave her the word about her mother. We won't hate the show for it. Admit that last week Rudy left because he couldn't go on (do you believe they let a 75 year old man go 4 days without water? The producers would risk being up on manslaughter.)
I get the feeling so much is staged and decided by the producers of the show. It's not that everything is totally rigged, but they get the outcome they want.
Posted by: mwhip
I don't think the producers fed her anything, I think Probst was thinking she was getting outside info. She did the right thing.
Rudy signed the same 800 page release, plus a physical. He wasn't without water, he was the only one drinking straight from the well.
Posted by: Martha
Jenna didn't do the right thing.....we heard this same story when she was on before. She shouldn't have been there. Period. It is truly a tragedy that her mom died that soon after she got back, but, honestly, what was she thinking when she signed on to do this show?
I'm not a fan of Alicia's, but at least she was willing to call a spade a spade - you don't go on a 39 day campout if you have a terminally ill relative.
Posted by: zyzzx
You're right, Martha.
This ordeal was so weak. She had no business being on the show and by doing so, ruined an episode. What was she possibly thinking when she agreed to be on the show? :down:
I liked the reward challenge. It was funny seeing Rupert struggling for a change and Jerry calling it correctly. I was hoping their shelter flooded to prove Jerry right. I love Rupert but I liked seeing the flip side for a change.
How about Richard with that shark attached to his arm. :eek: That guy is the man. His strategy is questionable but his fishing will surely make him more likeable to his tribemates.
Posted by: Philosofy
That shark bite was a memorable moment in survivor history. Hatch has more balls than I do, that's for sure. And I loved Shi Ann's comment about how he has a lot, just not "down there." :)
Oh, and what Martha said.
Posted by: justapixel
I agree with Martha too. I can't believe Jenna even considered going on this show with her mother terminally ill. She should have left it to another ex-survivor who would have relished the opportunity.
I love Rupert, but what was he thinking? Of course in the tropics you don't build a shelter into the ground! He knew there would be water since he built all those water catching devices on the roof, so what did he think would happen in his hole? It is a breeding ground for all those mosquitos. I don't feel like anybody tried to talk it out of him too hard though. Rupert has played badly this time and won't last long.
Did anybody but me think that tree house shelter looked a lot like Gilligan's Island? :) The little table with the rocks, the shells everywhere. Good job guys!
Richard Hatch, what can you say about that guy? I loved him first show. He's been grating on my nerves a bit with the "I can do it but I won't" attitude, but tonight he proved he could do it. It did remind me a bit of this story a bit. ;)
I'm still rooting for Colby all the way.
Posted by: kdmorse
The more I watch Richard, the more I'm convinced he's there for one reason, and one reason only: To amuse himself. And he's doing a remarkably good job, and it's just plain fun to watch. I have no idea if it will get him anywhere, but it's certainly entertaining...
-Ken
Posted by: betamax
Yeah, what Martha said. You don't go if you've got a terminally ill family member at home. They could have had a backup person go in her place.
The shelter is the stupidest thing I've seen Rupert do.
Posted by: smak
Yah, I've always liked Hatch. I think he's pretty funny, and he really knows his stuff.
I agree with all the above sentiment. It was pretty selfish of Jenna to go knowing she probably wouldn't last that long without quitting.
Now everything changes for everybody.
This is the type of thing that I wouldn't mind them bringing in a replacement.
It wasn't what's his face from last year quitting, it wasn't Stupin falling in the fire, it was just somebody who should have never been there in the first place.
-smak-
Posted by: TeeSee
I thought it was suspicious that Jena suddenly felt so guilty about being there after the most uncomfortable night on the island. Before that she seemed to be fine. Whatever, I agree with those of you who've said she shouldn't have been there to begin with.
I think I'm already getting nauseous after seeing the previews for next week's show. Amber, how could you? :(
And Richard IS the man. I've been saying that all along. :)
Posted by: purple6816
I wonder if they did an investigation to see if anyone gave her info.
There could have been a leak of info and they are not telling us.?
Posted by: bobbi
I agree that Jenna shouldn't have done the show at all, but I do believe her "I suddenly feel like I have got to get home" thing. A year ago I was supposed to go home on a Friday for my brother's wedding. My grandmother was in pretty lousy shape, and the weekend before the wedding the decision was made to transfer her to a hospice. I immediately started to feel like I HAD to go home, but my family told me to wait...I'd be going home that week anyway, and she wanted to see me, so she'd definately still be there. I kept asking, shouldn't I leave early, shouldn't I leave early...sure enough, my grandmother passed away on Monday night. I should have trusted my instincts and left early. One of those things I will never forgive myself for. So I believe Jenna feeling like she had to get home. I can't explain it, but I just KNEW.
Anyway, back to the game. How totally disappointed I am in Rupert!! What a stupid idea, and what a twist to have me actually agreeing with Jeri. Ick.
And Richard, wow, fighting the shark was fantastic. I swear, I'm starting to see signs of how he's going to win the game this time around too. If he does, I will laugh so hard (although I'd honestly rather see Rob - not boston rob...the other one - or Colby win). :)
Posted by: ccouger
I definitely agree Jenna had no place to be here. Why in the world would you ever leave a terminal relative to do this??? And after she'd already one a million before! I also do believe she sincerely did feel she'd blown it big time by coming on the allstars, and at least she did say she made a mistake in judgement. But I think it's just stupid of her in the first place. That shows you her level of depth overall!
I also feel like you can now compare all the Survivor shows across the board and see which ones were the weakest. Jenna would have been nobody in any show but the Amazon version. She used her attitude of "Don't hate me because I'm beautiful" to win the Amazon, and plus getting naked and showing off her body at every opportunity. She could have strolled all over here naked and I doubt Richard Hatch would have blinked. And you didn't see her offering to bathe publicly with Kathy or Shi-an here! So she had no winning strategy when she realized no one cared about her looks or figure enough on this team. That plus the guilt at her mother's illness. I also suspect maybe a crew member had tipped her off with news from home, though I'm sure they also have enough safeguards in place to prevent that type of thing. I am sorry that she had to go through something this tragic, but I also thought the same thing in the Amazon season when Jenna bawled over Kristy getting the letter from home instead of her: If it meant that much to her, she had no business coming here and then letting down her teammates. Selfish and shallow.
Do you think if Richard hadn't started talking about Jenna being emotional, they would have just gone ahead and done the challenge? Or does it seem like she had already told Jeff or some crew person to say she was done? I mean, they had the boat right there. Though maybe it always is, for emergency if needed.
At least we got to see more of the three teams this time, more so that the last few episodes. Maybe because there are less people to show now!
Posted by: kdmorse
The more I think about it, I suspect someone slipped her some news. It's not uncommon for a relatively stable cancer survivor to go downhill suddenly and unexpectedly. Her mother may have gone from having a outlook of years, to weeks, with little warning.
In that case, I could see the family contacting someone associated with the show, and someone quietly passing that information along to Jenna (with Burnetts approval). Her downturn in attitude did seem quite sudden, and she went from being relatively upbeat to completely preoccupied very quickly.
I'm not sure if Jeff knew, he may have, he may not have. Considering how hard he was on Osten when he quite, he was remarkably easy on Jenna. I don't think he'd have had the same amount of sympathy if he though Jenna was just flaking out when things got tough.
As to the boat, you better believe there's a lot of boats around. I'm sure they putter them around a corner so they're out of sight, but all those pieces and parts for challenges don't just appear by magic. Additionally, we have no real concept of how much time passed between Jeff calling for a boat, and the boat arriving, could have been hours, but I doubt it. I'm sure at any time out there Jeff could wave his hands and make just about anything he wants appear from around a corner somewhere...
Personally, I'm not going to be as hard on Jenna as some folks have been. First, her mother did indeed die - and she deserves a lot more sympathy than criticism. Plus - we don't really know what the story was when she left. Her mother may have been in near perfect condition, a cancer survivor, with no reason to believe she wouldn't live another 20+ years. Going off to Survivor may not have been such an obviously wrong choice as some folks would like to make it out to be. At this point, we just don't know.
-Ken
Posted by: dr_mal
I never thought Jenna M. should've been on AllStars, simply because she was one of the lamest winners. Right up there with Vecepia.
I'm glad she eventually did the right thing and went home to be with her mother for her last 8 days.
Even knowing she was going to leave to be with her mother (spoiler sites had her Mom's obituary posted within days of her death last November), I caught myself getting a little misty-eyed at the end of the show.
Posted by: brianric
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Originally posted by Martha
Jenna didn't do the right thing.....we heard this same story when she was on before. She shouldn't have been there. Period. It is truly a tragedy that her mom died that soon after she got back, but, honestly, what was she thinking when she signed on to do this show?
I'm not a fan of Alicia's, but at least she was willing to call a spade a spade - you don't go on a 39 day campout if you have a terminally ill relative.
I agree with you. She let her team down.
Posted by: Peter000
I have sympathy for Jenna. I'm guessing she was pressured by producers to be on the show, against her better judgement. Her mom was probably not too sick at the moment or she never would have done it. And she wen't through the same thing on the last Survivor she was on... not knowing about her mom until she got a letter.
It sure sounded to me like she was slipped some information about her mom. To me, it would have been totally unethical for the producers not to give her that info somehow, and give her a chance to bow out somewhat gracefully.
Anyway, those are only my suppositions, and I'm not going to throw stones until I know a few more facts.
Posted by: brahamt
I am not a person that believes much in the supernatural and such, but I believe that no one slipped her any information and she just knew. Sometimes there are bonds between people that we cannot explain.
I am cutting her some slack on this one. We don't know how much pressure was placed on her. And IIRC, she was only 21 on the show the 1st time, so maybe she is 23. Probably should have known better, but an understandable error in judgement.
Posted by: lander215
Wow, hero to zero in one episode. Rupert, I love ya man, but that was a terrible show for you on both fronts. First, stupid shelter...sorry. Neat concept perhaps, but poor judgement and poor "people" skills on getting it done. You built an empty swimming pool just yards from the ocean. Duh.
Second, poor choice of words when asked about Jenna. There are times when just keeping quiet is the right thing to do. The girl was obviously distraught over her mother, but to question a decision about remaining in a game or going home (where she should have been in the first place might I add), or as you said it "but quitting....." was ignorant. You too Big Tom, albeit to a lesser extent. At least you framed your answer in a "what would I do" situation, but still...just be quiet and accept the womans decision.
And I'm with brahamt on this one. A month before my father was diagnosed with terminal cancer I had a feeling something was wrong with someone in my family. I called everyone and asked if they were all ok (I live a long way from them). When my mom called a month later to tell me what was happening, we both mentioned my call earlier. Sometimes kids just know. It was a judgement call on Jenna's part whether to participate or not, and as others feel, it was just poor judgement, common amongst our younger generation. ;-)
And finally, Richard Hatch the stud...who would have thunk it? hehehe, he's da man.
Posted by: cheerdude
While I'm Tivoing Early Show - just to confirm, is Jenna going to be on today?
Posted by: RMBittner
quote:
Originally posted by brahamt
I am not a person that believes much in the supernatural and such, but I believe that no one slipped her any information and she just knew. Sometimes there are bonds between people that we cannot explain.
I am cutting her some slack on this one.
I'm with you. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if her mother actually encouraged Jenna to go ahead and play the game. I don't know about your parents, but this would not be a shocking thing for a family member -- even a very ill family member -- to do. For all we know, her mom may have even told Jenna to win this one for her. That could understandably make Jenna's choice very difficult.
Bob
Posted by: Martha
All the other stuff aside, I think my favorite part of last night's show was Big Tom's comments on Sue. Those two are like oil and water and they crack me up!
Posted by: DougF
I think many of you are being way to hard on Jenna. I would bet that her mother encouraged her to go. In the end, it was just eating away at her and she had to go.
As for her mood changing so quickly, it's important to remember that we are only seeing approximately 40 minutes for every three days they are there. Plus, that 40 minutes is getting divided up among three tribes. So, we have seen Jenna's tribe for probably 15 minutes for every three days they have been there. I don't think that is nearly enough to make the call they her mood suddenly and drastically changed.
And concerning Rupert, I think his status as a "fan favorite" may be over. Between the shelter and his comments about Jenna, he came off pretty bad last night.
Posted by: newsposter
anyone think they will build some sort of forfeit clause in the contract? I guess they really can't demand $ from the players, but it sort of detracts from the game when this happens although it wasn't as bad as the last guy that quit. wonder if his friends razz him every day about that.
Posted by: newsposter
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Originally posted by Philosofy
That shark bite was a memorable moment in survivor history. Hatch has more balls than I do, that's for sure. And I loved Shi Ann's comment about how he has a lot, just not "down there." :)
Oh, and what Martha said.
any idea why just lifting his arm out of the water would not have been appropriate? Don't sharks die when they are out of water? It seems that would have been a better solution and he was only in waist high water.
I think he wanted to get the maximum PR out of it.
Posted by: milo99
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Originally posted by newsposter
any idea why just lifting his arm out of the water would not have been appropriate? Don't sharks die when they are out of water? It seems that would have been a better solution and he was only in waist high water.
I think he wanted to get the maximum PR out of it.
you see how fish flop all around when they're out of water, dont you? Well, i'd be afraid to pull it out and then have the shark flopping around with that vice grip on, cuz it could very well tear all that flesh off. Probably what he was thinking...
Posted by: Frank_M
I don't compare Jenna's situation to Osteen's at all. He was a wuss, and the game was too hard for him. She was playing it just like she did last time... whining and complaining, but she wasn't going anywhere.
Now, I do think.. one million in hand, that she had less reason to play through the pain... but the only bad judgement she made was coming in the first place. And even then, we weren't there for what her mother, father, family and friends were saying to her, you know? They might have been giving her the "its a once (ok twice) in a lifetime thing, you have to do ! etc"
Anyway, I'm glad she got home in time.
Posted by: Frylock
I think when you have a shark attached to your arm, you aren't thinking quite right...
Posted by: JEbbesen
My take is that Jenna just didn't have the heart to finish, a combination of her mother, the elements and the fact that she had already won once.
I believe that the mother being ill was just the last straw, if they had been surviving nicely and the weather had been better, she would not have quit just yet.
She kept talking about how hard it was which I took to mean the cold, lack of water etc.
I knew something was up when I hit the play button to check the time remaining and saw that there was not enough time to do the challange and then the vote.
Too bad, she should have stayed home and not screwed up the others.
Anyone besides me think that Jeri has had some work done on her face? If so, I'd ask for a refund.
Posted by: pmyers
Richard is the man! Rupert....boy...that' wasn't a good episode for you. I did love him trying to "sell" the house to the inspector ;)
Posted by: Philosofy
Yeah, Rupert was disappointing with his decisions.
As for Jenna, here is my prediciton: First, remember Jenna was ready th throw in the towel in the Amazon? Its like she's manic depressive, or bi-polar or something. She can have some vicious mood swings. Also, Burnett is a master manipulator. When you see those people talking alone to the camera, they are actually being interviewed. What if the interviewer kept asking about her mother until they got the desired reaction? Nobody would have "told" her, but she's not that dumb: she would have picked up on the hint.
Posted by: Dmon
quote:
Originally posted by Martha
Jenna didn't do the right thing.....we heard this same story when she was on before. She shouldn't have been there. Period. It is truly a tragedy that her mom died that soon after she got back, but, honestly, what was she thinking when she signed on to do this show?
I'm not a fan of Alicia's, but at least she was willing to call a spade a spade - you don't go on a 39 day campout if you have a terminally ill relative.
I am sorry, but I must respectfully disagree. As someone who has lost both parents and a sister, I can tell you that sometimes people do things when faced with a terminally ill relative that appear illogical to others.
If Jenna had decided to forego Survivor and stay home with her mother, she would have been saying to her mother that she expected her mother to die soon. That is a very difficult thing to say to anyone, even when they are terminally ill.
A few years ago, my sister was dying from cancer while I was studying for the bar exam. I could have dropped everything to be with my sister, but my sister wanted me to go with my life. By attempting to go on with our lives, it gave us hope, perhaps a false hope, that my sister would survive.
Perhaps that is what Jenna or her mother thought. Perhaps not. But I will not second guess her decision.
Posted by: loubob57
I'll take the Jenna stuff at face value. She did say on the Early Show that her mother told her to do the show. And also that her mother had been battling cancer for 12 years (IIRC) and was in fairly good condition when Jenna left to do the show.
I vote for Big Tom's comments about Susan. What did he call her? A "Hag from Hell"! :eek:
Posted by: digdug
Rupert - Not a great bit of show for him. But as someone pointed out, we're only seeing ~40 minutes or so for every three days. We don't know anything other than what the producers want us to know. Edit, edit, edit. Sure they can make a hero look bad this time around. I'm not defending his choice of shelter design or his comments about Jenna. It just seems that his choice of tactic this time + the edited shots the producers choose to show of him are not designed to portray him as the hero as they did in Peal Islands.
Richard - Ok, he caught a shark and got bit doing it. I'm not THAT impressed. The shark was small, trapped under a rock and had nowhere to go. Kinda looked like spearing fish in a barrel to me. I'm sure the bite hurt like a son-of-a-gun though.
Jenna - Again, as mentioned before we don't ( and can't ) know the motivators behind her decision to do All Stars. I do think she made the right choice to leave though. A million clams is worthless if you know you had a chance to be there when your dying parent is not long for this world, but chose not to go to them. Money isn't everything, and I think Jenna found out the hard way.
Boston Bob - This time around he took charge and did his thing. Watch out Bob! You may be an All Star Suvivor, but you're still a man and can fall into quite the trap with your new girlfriend. Remember she's out to win the million clams too...and we all know there is a steep price for conspiring to share it.
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
I went to France for a month for dissertaion research when my mother had terminal cancer. She was doing fairly well (and she ended up living another two years), but I was pretty nervous about going. And I was able to talk to my folks just about every day. Had I been completely cut off, I might have turned into a nervous wreck.
Posted by: Steveknj
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Originally posted by RMBittner
I'm with you. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if her mother actually encouraged Jenna to go ahead and play the game. I don't know about your parents, but this would not be a shocking thing for a family member -- even a very ill family member -- to do. For all we know, her mom may have even told Jenna to win this one for her. That could understandably make Jenna's choice very difficult.
Bob
IIRC, Jenna did say something like, "I knew I shouldn't have come, even though my mother encouraged me to come" So I think she was just following her mother's wishes. I think also that knowing her mother was terminally ill, the producers should have NEVER invited her in the first place. And lastly, I disagree, I think Probst WAS hard on her. It seemed to me that he gave her quite an attitude, and by some of the things he said and the way he said them, he was insinuating that she should not quit because it will hurt her team, and change the game, and how dare her do that to the game.
Richard and the comments about him were hysterical. I just wonder if he really bit the shark while trying to wrestle it off of him, or did he do it after he already had it dead or undercontrol to make him look like a hero.
Posted by: YCantAngieRead
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I am sorry, but I must respectfully disagree. As someone who has lost both parents and a sister, I can tell you that sometimes people do things when faced with a terminally ill relative that appear illogical to others.
Exactly. This is exactly the point I wanted to make. I thought it was insensitive of Alicia to say what she did-none of us knows what went on between Jenna and her mother before she left for the show. She was probably feeling torn in 100 different directions, and the conditions broke her. It makes me a little angry to see people second guessing her-she had her reasons. Period.
And I, too, am not a big believer in the supernatural, but here's my personal example. My grandfather had been ill for a long time...very serious dementia. I hadn't been able to speak to him for years. One night, I woke up just feeling relieved that he was gone. And I found out a couple hours later that he was. No one called...I just somehow knew. So I believe she got a bad feeling about her mom with no help from the producers.
As for Rupert's mistake: we all make them. Not many of us make them on national TV. Thankfully. :)
I didn't really know what to think of that challenge. Have they ever done a challenge before where they weren't able to see or hear the other teams?
Edited because I forgot to comment on Richard's shark incident: I was a little impressed until I saw his arm when they were all talking to Jenna at the end of the episode. It wasn't even bruised-it looked like he had a circle of papercuts. From the way the spoilers were making it sound, it sounded like he had a big ol' chunk of his arm gone-I was disappointed in the shark. :D
Posted by: cpalma
Jenna's decision will be debated for many Survivors to come, but tell me you didn't get choked up when they showed the ending (Jenna's mother died 8 days after she returned). I did and I don't cry at any television!!!
Posted by: dr_mal
They've done independent challenges before -- the SOS competition comes to mind.
Posted by: YCantAngieRead
Ah thanks. I haven't watched all the versions, so I was wondering. And yes, even though I knew that Jenna's mom died shortly after she came home and the news wasn't a surprise, I still got a little sad.
Posted by: TomK
I really think too much is being made about Jenna's decision to appear on the show and then leave. She must have had good reasons for doing the show and then pulling out like that. This is the first Survivor that I've watched from the start after watching bits and pieces of all the others.
Posted by: LooseWiring
Jenna was a whining little cry-baby in Amazon, too. I doubt very much that her reason for leaving had anything at all to do with her mother's cancer.
She was thirsty, hungry, and bug-bit and she wanted to go home. That's all there was to it. She pulled the same exact thing in Amazon(Altho not as bad as the other girl) but now she is using her mother as an excuse.
Also, the pacing and feel of this episode was MUCH better than previous as they did without the immunity challenge and TC. I wish they could stretch this out to a 90-minute show just to see more of the human interaction.
Posted by: KRS
While they all did their best to sympathize, you could tell that the other two tribes were secretly psyched that they were safe for another 3 days. I found Alicia's comments especially transparent.
Rupert's roof drainage idea was pretty brilliant - still not enough to outweigh the idiocy of digging in the sand though.
My favorite line was Big Tom's "That's the best thing I have heard from Sue" upon learning that she didn't drink.
I also enjoyed Boston Rob's comments to Alicia when they were about to get started on the shelter. Something along the lines of "I know what I'm doing here, so I don't want you questioning every move."
Shi-Ann and what's her name's list of home improvement projects was pretty funny. The 2 guys are busting their a$$es, and she was annoyed that they didn't listen closely to her Dumbwaiter concept! Too much.
Posted by: loopey
quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
That shark bite was a memorable moment in survivor history. Hatch has more balls than I do, that's for sure.
Luckily Richard still has them :eek:. Why on earth would you go fishing naked??
Posted by: DancnDude
Yeah I was cracking up at how the women were basically interior decorating with their ideas when they had no structure even built yet!
Posted by: pmyers
"how about a coconut phone?" LOL
Posted by: ccouger
That was something I forgot about in this episode. When Boston Rob and Tom were building their shelter, Alicia went ahead and did that rock garden and patio (which was a nice visual touch, and at least they were doing something). Then on the other team, Shi-Ann and Jenna had a list of stuff the guys were not enthusiastic about, so the women just gave up on it. They could have gone ahead and worked on a rock garden or made a rope ladder anyway themselves, but no, they just give up and do nothing! That says something about the dynamics on that team. Looks like all the teams except Rupert's were basically just 2 people working on the shelters, Lex and Colby and then Rob and Big Tom. So much for team effort! I liked that Rob expected that the shelter would be tested for sturdiness, whereas Colby seemed shocked that the inspector was actually testing if it would stand! I would have liked some reaction from Sue when they won, since she was the one saying they were doing it wrong. They don't seem to be showing much of her this time around, considering how vocal she usually is!
Posted by: JEbbesen
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Originally posted by ccouger
I would have liked some reaction from Sue when they won, since she was the one saying they were doing it wrong. They don't seem to be showing much of her this time around, considering how vocal she usually is!
and for that I thank them. ;) She, I could do without.
Posted by: DLiquid
Lex and Colby were cracking me up with their comedy routine.
The Richard shark thing was really cool. The guy didn't even complain about it from what we saw. Remember Robb the skater when his foot got bit in the ocean. :p
Rupert went a little psycho this episode. He's one of my favorites, but the guy has a hard time keeping it together. I guess I wasn't paying attention, because at first I thought they were digging post holes. Why in the world would he want to dig a pit in the sand?
Posted by: Redleg
The further into this season we go, the more I wish CBS would give us at least 90 minutes a week. Heck, add another 30 or 60 minute episode on another night. They were all good enough contestants and interesting enough people to carry their own seasons of Survivor... we need to see more of them, to see how the whole game is really developing.
I didn't get choked up for Jenna, probably because I knew it was coming up and I can't relate to her going on the show in the first place.
Posted by: betamax
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Originally posted by pmyers
"how about a coconut phone?" LOL
Yeah, quit daydreaming and start helping. I wonder how much extra time they really had to do any of that fru fru stuff. Problably none.
I wonder if they got to keep the tools.
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
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Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
I was a little impressed until I saw his arm when they were all talking to Jenna at the end of the episode. It wasn't even bruised-it looked like he had a circle of papercuts. From the way the spoilers were making it sound, it sounded like he had a big ol' chunk of his arm gone-I was disappointed in the shark. :D
But what shark could ever be a match for Richard? I'm impressed that it hung in there as long as it did...
Posted by: kitsap
I couldn't believe the coincidence of the shark incident, because this story had just been all over the news on Wednesday, the day before this episode aired:
quote:
SYDNEY, Australia (AP) -- Lifeguards at a beach post north of Sydney couldn't believe their eyes when a man walked in with a small shark attached to his leg.
Luke Tresoglavic swam 300 meters (1,000 feet) to shore, walked to his car and drove to the local surf club with the 60 centimeter (23 inches) shark biting his leg and refusing to let go.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiap...k.ap/index.html
Apparently it does happen ... especially this week!
Posted by: jimest
I would hope that Richard learns his lesson after being bit on the arm by the shark and wears his swimming trunks next time he goes fishing.
I think Jeff should tell Richard to keep his clothes on.
I agree with whomever said that Richard is there for one reason only and that is to enjoy himself.
Jim
Posted by: hookbill
quote:
Originally posted by jimest
I would hope that Richard learns his lesson after being bit on the arm by the shark and wears his swimming trunks next time he goes fishing.
I think Jeff should tell Richard to keep his clothes on.
I agree with whomever said that Richard is there for one reason only and that is to enjoy himself.
Jim
LOL...that would of taught Hatch to keep his clothes on. Perhaps the shark wasn't interested in a small meal so he chose the arm.:)
Seriously I slammed Hatch a week or two ago but this week he cracked me up. He is just doing enough to get noticed and I'm starting to see his strategy. I think.
I do think the nudity thing can come to an end anytime now. It was novel at first but now what's his point?
Dumb Waiters? Coconut phones? Peleahesse!
Posted by: loopey
quote:
Originally posted by ccouger
Then on the other team, Shi-Ann and Jenna had a list of stuff the guys were not enthusiastic about, so the women just gave up on it. They could have gone ahead and worked on a rock garden or made a rope ladder anyway themselves, but no, they just give up and do nothing!
Weren't they the two that had to sit out? I think they said those people could help with planning but not touch anything.
Posted by: Melissa
quote:
Originally posted by loopey
Weren't they the two that had to sit out? I think they said those people could help with planning but not touch anything.
No the two that sat out were Richard and Kathy
Posted by: DLiquid
quote:
Originally posted by jimest
I would hope that Richard learns his lesson after being bit on the arm by the shark and wears his swimming trunks next time he goes fishing.
Not that I want to see any more nude Richard Hatch, but what protection do you think a pair of swim trunks is going to give against a pissed off shark?
Posted by: markp99
quote:
Originally posted by DLiquid
Not that I want to see any more nude Richard Hatch, but what protection do you think a pair of swim trunks is going to give against a pissed off shark?
Ummm...shark may not see the "bait"?? :)
Posted by: Big_Daddy
quote:
Originally posted by DLiquid
Not that I want to see any more nude Richard Hatch, but what protection do you think a pair of swim trunks is going to give against a pissed off shark?
True, but a small (?) dangly thing may just be too tempting a target... Even if trunks aren't a real defense, I'd take them over nothing at all.
Posted by: ClutchBrake
I've done a complete 180 with Boston Rob. I hated him the first episode but am liking him more and more. My favorite comment thus far was last night. Something like, "Alicia is about as deep as... (thinks quietly for about 10 seconds and can't come up with anything) Yeah, that's about it."
Richard is the king. I don't think he has a chance in hell of winning though. I'm sure he will keep us entertained though.
Posted by: vman
I agree that Jenna should not have gone on all stars, regardless of her mother's condition at the time of departure. I also wonder if perhaps one or more of her comments about her mom were taped previously, but not shown until this week.
And thinking more about it, I'd guess she was given some kind of information, since normally you don't get to just go home once you are voted out. You sit around and get a nice vacation. How did she know they would actually let her leave? I'm sure if they had been given notice her mom's health was declining they would have let her leave anyway, but in the absence of such news would they let her just go home?
Posted by: TreborPugly
I'm still not a Boston Rob fan, but I give him credit for making the best comment during the Jenna debate. He said the sort of thing we would have expected from one of the beloved players, who mostly said pretty rotten things.
And his tribe did an amazing job with the shelter challenge. I was pretty dumfounded that Rupert's tribe had such a terrible time with building a shelter in comparison. Rupert even said he does remodeling or rebuilding or something for a living. (In addition to the troubled teens mentor business?)
They did squat in terms of making better building materials.
Oh, and I really liked how Sue sat out the reward challenge, confident that these "idiots" would lose and get some humility. They completely rocked, mainly because she wasn't bickering with them!
Treb.
Posted by: pmyers
I totally think that she had been told certain information and that Probst wasn't privey to it. The way she was talking made it sound like somebody had given her an "update" of her mom's condition and I think that's why "Pretty Boy Probst" called her on it. Then she imediately changed her tune and said that she could just feel that something was wrong.
Posted by: lander215
quote:
Originally posted by vman
... How did she know they would actually let her leave? ...
What were they gonna do? Hold her against her will?
Posted by: mzgig
quote:
Originally posted by Martha
Jenna didn't do the right thing.....we heard this same story when she was on before. She shouldn't have been there. Period. It is truly a tragedy that her mom died that soon after she got back, but, honestly, what was she thinking when she signed on to do this show?
I'm not a fan of Alicia's, but at least she was willing to call a spade a spade - you don't go on a 39 day campout if you have a terminally ill relative.
You go, Martha! My feelings - exactly. She knew before she signed on that her Mom was terminal and she went anyway. Now she has jeopardized the rest of the team members. She just couldn't cut it and figured her Mom was a great excuse. Good riddance, I say.
Posted by: Kylep
Jenna quit the same as Osten, she just had a better excuse. You could see through the episode that she was just miserable (as was everyone).
I'm glad she got a chance to see her mom before she died, but she shouldn't have gone if that was a concern. (I too have had to make decisions based on ill parents.)
Posted by: ClutchBrake
Oh, and I'll also add that while I initially thought Alicia's creativity ideas were lame she completely pulled it off and it looked awesome. Not only was theirs structurally the best no one could touch the creativity added by Alicia.
Posted by: digdug
Well they did build up the 'Jenna-suspense' all through the episode by showing shots of her feeling low & being consoled by some of her tribe. I think it was all done on purpose. Only with Osten we got to watch his general decline over several weeks while Savage kept up a running commentary. This time they nipped it in the bud.
Posted by: jhausmann
quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
That shark bite was a memorable moment in survivor history. Hatch has more balls than I do, that's for sure. And I loved Shi Ann's comment about how he has a lot, just not "down there." :)
Oh, and what Martha said.
And Richard is damn fortunate the shark struck where it did....
Posted by: ClutchBrake
I didn't watch the Survivor season when someone else quit. Someone care to tell the story?
Posted by: LooseWiring
Osten was the first Survivor contestant to give up and go home(Although the tall dorky songwriter guy from Outback basically did the same).
He was constantly whining and being an overall jerk. He also couldn't swim so his helping to lose several challenges probably helped his tribe have the worst losing streak in the history of the game.
What was surprising was that he is a 6'0" tall, thirty or so black guy who is extremely cut. But he just couldn't take the lack of food, sleep, etc. that he asked to leave during TC.
They had him set his torch down after it was extinguished and he left.
Posted by: digdug
quote:
Originally posted by ClutchBrake
I didn't watch the Survivor season when someone else quit. Someone care to tell the story?
Long story short:
Survivor : Pearl Islands. Osten ( forgot his last name) has the body, has the attitude, etc. What he didn't have was the stamina, the brains or the mental toughness to stick it out.
When he began to fail mentally, he began to fail physically and let his tribe down on several challenges. He finally got to the point where he claimed he would get sick if he stayed in the game. He said he was not going to do that to his body.
He volunteered to leave so the team would not have to vote him ( or someone else ) off. Why keep him around if he's going to try to fail?
Probst beat up on him verbally at Tribal Council and got him to admit he was quitting cause he just could not hack it.
Obviously I left out a lot of details. Maybe someone else can fill the gaps?
Posted by: loopey
He was really paranoid that he was going to get pneumonia. :)
Posted by: TampaThunder
I don't know why but I got a Seinfeld flashback when Richard came out of the water with that shark. I could see him sitting around the campfire that night... "The sea was angry that day, my friends!" and then holding up a golf ball.
Yeah, I know I need professional help. :D
And let's hope Rupert bounces back next week. I'd hate to see him go.
Posted by: JolDC
quote:
Originally posted by hookbill
I do think the nudity thing can come to an end anytime now. It was novel at first but now what's his point?
It has a definite point. Like Richard or not, he deserves credit for understanding at least basic psychology.
Besides the fact that he really likes to be naked, his two prong strategy (IMHO) is great.
First, he knows that no one will trust him at first. It would be wasted effort to approach people. So, he isolated himself. We get to see what the editors want us to see, but I am pretty sure he doesn't come off to his tribe like the jerk that he seems on camera. As they get to know him, they will approach him to play the game. He can win their trust through tiny little gestures before he screws them over later when necessary.
The nudity is the second part of that process. He knows it instinctively shocks the Americans and makes them uncomfortable. But as Colby mentioned in the previous episode, they are getting used to it. Once they have accepted his naked self, it is much easier for him to get them to accept other things that he might do.
Posted by: Martha
quote:
Originally posted by ClutchBrake
I've done a complete 180 with Boston Rob. I hated him the first episode but am liking him more and more.
I'm with you! I actually paused the show last night and said to my husband, "Why did we hate him so bad last time and like him so much this time?" His reply, "S-E-A-N." Oh yeah.....
Posted by: YCantAngieRead
Sigh. Back on the subject of Jenna M. I've seen a couple of her interviews today and I totally am convinced she didn't get information from the staff or anyone else. She was pretty much in the same boat as everyone else-she couldn't believe someone'd get a bad feeling that something was really wrong until it happened.
I think it's entirely possible that, through exhaustion or real, genuine telepathy (or whatever you prefer to call it), she began having really bad feelings about the situation at home. And like I said before, none of us can say what happened with her and her mother before she left.
By the way, she said when she got home, it was the evening her mother decided to stop eating and drinking. When Jenna got home, she got on the phone immediately to her mother and told her she was there to see her. Her mother let out a sigh, and that was really the last thing the family heard from her.
My guess is she signed on for Survivor when her mother was more stable, then as she left, started going downhill so...well. Whatever.
Posted by: ClutchBrake
Thanks for the recap, digdug. :)
Posted by: David Platt
quote:
Originally posted by digdug
Probst beat up on him verbally at Tribal Council and got him to admit he was quitting cause he just could not hack it.
Obviously I left out a lot of details. Maybe someone else can fill the gaps?
The best part that needs filling in (and one of my favorite Survivor moments ever):
After Jeff snuffs his torch, instead of the usual "the tribe has spoken," Jeff just looks at Osten with disgust and says "per your wishes, go home."
Posted by: mrboo
I thought Jenna looked so incredibly hot, with the tears in her eyes. Nice beauty shot too of her cruising out of Panama on that boat (I love the way Probst called out "bring in a boat", like the boat wasn't already there waiting).
Posted by: newsposter
Anyone notice that she seemed to give away some spoilers on the CBS show Friday morning? Maybe it's time to 7 second delay everything.
Posted by: TomK
I watched the CBS show Friday morning show and didn't notice any spoilers. What did I miss? I heard Jenna mention a possible alliance the women in her tribe and Lex may have formed. Is that what you were referring to?
Posted by: KLB
regarding Jenna's possible spoiler on the CBS Morning show
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
when talking about her tribemates, she said something along the lines of "... several of whom went pretty far.." or something close to that kinda refering that a number of the other people from the tribe went all the way or damn near it.
thought it was an okay show and if not for Richard's shark attack (poor shark) it wouldn't have been much of an episode but I did think it was amusing that Jeri was right and Rupert was wrong---
Boston Rob... come on, Amber--- But I did admire him laying there with amber on one arm and alicia on the other.
Richard is going to go SOOOOoooooo far in this.
Posted by: dr_mal
Jenna really wouldn't have any inside info on how far anybody goes, will she? She came straight back to the States instead of waiting at Loser Lodge for bootees. She's probably not on the jury. Contestants aren't supposed to talk to each other before the reunion show. I just don't see how she'd know how far her tribemates go.
Posted by: Philosofy
Did anyone notice her hair on the Today show? Bangs almost covering her eyes: not a good look for her. With no forehead, her nose looks huge!
Posted by: Melissa
quote:
Originally posted by KLB
regarding Jenna's possible spoiler on the CBS Morning show
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
when talking about her tribemates, she said something along the lines of "... several of whom went pretty far.." or something close to that kinda refering that a number of the other people from the tribe went all the way or damn near it.
I thought that at first too, but then I realized she went home and probably doesn't know who went further. I think she meant that the they went pretty far in their original Surviors.
Posted by: Melissa
quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
Did anyone notice her hair on the Today show? Bangs almost covering her eyes: not a good look for her. With no forehead, her nose looks huge!
and that outfit was awful!
-M
Posted by: hookbill
quote:
Originally posted by JolDC
It has a definite point. Like Richard or not, he deserves credit for understanding at least basic psychology.
Besides the fact that he really likes to be naked, his two prong strategy (IMHO) is great.
First, he knows that no one will trust him at first. It would be wasted effort to approach people. So, he isolated himself. We get to see what the editors want us to see, but I am pretty sure he doesn't come off to his tribe like the jerk that he seems on camera. As they get to know him, they will approach him to play the game. He can win their trust through tiny little gestures before he screws them over later when necessary.
The nudity is the second part of that process. He knows it instinctively shocks the Americans and makes them uncomfortable. But as Colby mentioned in the previous episode, they are getting used to it. Once they have accepted his naked self, it is much easier for him to get them to accept other things that he might do.
I agree with point one. I disagree with point two. He's not shocking anyone, he's done this before. I can see your point from a psychological approach about acceptance but I really don't believe that is what Hatch is about.
What I think he is about is being an exhibitionist. This show allows him to do this and he probably gets some kind of thrill from doing it. Now I'm not saying that Hatch is a pervert, I don't think he flashes people or kids I just think that he gets a bang out of doing it. And he can do it on national TV and get away with it.
Posted by: pkscout
quote:
Originally posted by dr_mal
I never thought Jenna M. should've been on AllStars, simply because she was one of the lamest winners. Right up there with Vecepia.
Well, I'm gonna disagree with that. Vecepia was really just picking the least crappy of two people. But the only person to win more personal immunities than Jenna was Colby. She earned her spot in the final two.
Posted by: sherylking
No one has mentioned the possibility that the process of choosing and signing up the all-stars probably took a long time. She may have made the decision to go on the show a long time before her mother took a down turn. And then been reluctant or embarrassed to back out.
Posted by: YCantAngieRead
I kind of assumed what you pointed out to be true, Sheryl. I just didn't put it as succinctly as you did. I think you're probably right.
Posted by: Maniacal1
I was shocked, shocked, I tell you, at the shark and Richard biting each other. I would have expected at least some professional courtesy.
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
quote:
Originally posted by Maniacal1
I was shocked, shocked, I tell you, at the shark and Richard biting each other. I would have expected at least some professional courtesy.
But Richard isn't a professional (lawyer, politician, etc.). He's an amateur. And obviously, the shark recognized that.
Posted by: ced6
Okay,
I know I'm getting into this late, but was I the only one not impressed by the shark attack? Yes, he had a bad set of bite marks on his arm, but it didn't even look like the shark left with any flesh. I don't mean to put his ordeal down, but he didn't even seem to react as if the pain was tremendous. Perhaps the memory of the 15? year old surfer who got her arm bit off is just too fresh in my mind, but it didn't seem that much more serious than minor accidents that many of us have gone through (and I'm not counting any serious accidents like real car accidents, etc. - so don't be offended).
Posted by: BelugaWhale
They showed the shark's mouth, and it didn't look like that shark was made to take huge chunks of flesh out of large things. I'm sure it hurt, but not all sharks are predators of large animals. My guess is that it bit him out of defense, not because it was trying to eat him.
Posted by: DancnDude
quote:
Originally posted by ced6
Okay,
I know I'm getting into this late, but was I the only one not impressed by the shark attack? Yes, he had a bad set of bite marks on his arm, but it didn't even look like the shark left with any flesh.
I think what is impressive is that he was able to hold the shark and finally get it to open it's jaw to get it off. If Richard had just left the shark swimming around in the water without holding it down, there could have been a lot more damage by ripping off the flesh. By getting the shark to just open his mouth, all it was going to be was a couple bite marks.
Posted by: YCantAngieRead
quote:
I know I'm getting into this late, but was I the only one not impressed by the shark attack?
I mentioned early on in this thread that I didn't think the shark bite was impressive at all. At the Immunity Challenge, the area wasn't even bruised, which I would expect with a shark bite. It sorta looked like a ring of papercuts.
Edited to ask: Is Richard more of a ....well...a "richard" this time around than the first? I seem to remember he didn't rub me nearly as wrong as he has this time. It'd be his game-plan, I know, but geez. I'm usually able to see something redeemable in a player, and if I hadn't seen him before, he'd go down in my books with Johnny Fairplay as being one of the only ones I had nothing good to say about.
Posted by: ClutchBrake
For those not impressed with the shark ordeal, would you catch a shark with your bare hands? ;) I know I wouldn't. I don't even like touching catfish and bass!
Posted by: TampaThunder
Yeah, the shark thing wasn't that impressive but they do have to air something. I guess they could have replaced that part with some stimulating conversation between Rupert and Jerri about what to do with the tree root in their shelter. Table or chair? :D
Posted by: KLB
Yeah, I'll second that "What the hell was she thinking when she did her hair and picked that dress..????"
Bangs? That dress did nothing for her--- I guess she isn't interested in furthering her career any further after playboy. Hope she's saving her money
Posted by: Mikkel_Knight
quote:
Originally posted by KLB
Yeah, I'll second that "What the hell was she thinking when she did her hair and picked that dress..????"
Bangs? That dress did nothing for her--- I guess she isn't interested in furthering her career any further after playboy. Hope she's saving her money
It looked like a really poorly made wig. Ugly. Just ugly...
And for her to say she can't be one to talk about Richard's nakedness because of what she has done (referring to her Playboy spread) is ridiculous. She was hardly naked!! Her and Heidi hid behind props... I was very disappointed by their photoshoot...
Posted by: devdogaz
I liked the shark attack bit. Definitely an exciting moment and something they have to include in the show. OK, so Richard didn't wrestle a 30-foot Great White. Big deal. It's still the biggest fish we've ever seen caught on Survivor and he did it without any tools. It didn't look like the bite had drawn any blood, just a bad bruise/abrasion but I still think Richard was "The Man" for sticking that out and bringing home the food. He was my favorite on the first season and he is turning out to be just as entertaining on this season as well.
Rupert made a tactical error but I still like him. A sunken shelter on a beach is about as good an idea as a screen door on a submarine. I hope they win immunity the next couple of times and the shelter incident will be forgotten.
Glad Jenna got home in time to see her mother alive. I had heard that her mom died while All Stars was filming and I was afraid she was going to get the news that her mom was already dead. She really wasn't providing anything to her team or to the show so I have no problem with her leaving. It sucks for her team because they basically lost the IC but I'm glad it was them and not Saboga again.
Posted by: YCantAngieRead
If I were hungry enough, I sure would try to catch a shark with my bare hands. In fact, I've caught fish in streams with my bare hands-which is dumb because I dislike seafood. Just something you learn when there's nothing else to do when you're a kid in a rural area. :)
But I'm probably alone in this. :D
Posted by: dr_mal
quote:
Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
Edited to ask: Is Richard more of a ....well...a "richard" this time around than the first? I seem to remember he didn't rub me nearly as wrong as he has this time. It'd be his game-plan, I know, but geez. I'm usually able to see something redeemable in a player, and if I hadn't seen him before, he'd go down in my books with Johnny Fairplay as being one of the only ones I had nothing good to say about.
I hated Richard the first season. Until Jon (I refuse to use his stage name) last season, he was the player I disliked the most. For some reason, I'd softened since the season one finale and sort of respected Richard as a player, but now I'm remembering the first season and how much I really wanted Richard to be voted off every week.
Posted by: YCantAngieRead
quote:
Until Jon (I refuse to use his stage name)
That's funny-I cringed awfully when I used his stage name but I wanted to make sure everyone knew who I meant and I can't remember his real name. Heh. :)
Posted by: faerie
I guess I'm bucking the crowd, but I'm loving Richard. He cracks me up every time that I see him on screen and he makes his comments in his interviews.
Posted by: smak
quote:
Originally posted by dr_mal
I hated Richard the first season. Until Jon (I refuse to use his stage name) last season, he was the player I disliked the most. For some reason, I'd softened since the season one finale and sort of respected Richard as a player, but now I'm remembering the first season and how much I really wanted Richard to be voted off every week.
I think it's because you've had dozens more players backstabbing, lying, cheating etc...
Back in Survivor 1 you thought Richard was a jerk for what he did, but now after everybody does it, he doesn't look as bad.
-smak-
Posted by: TampaThunder
I always liked Richard for his pure flamboyance. I could never act like that and his antics just crack me up. He'd be a fun guy to just sit around and talk with for about 10 minutes but you'd always want to keep him at arm's length. :)
And, like Will from Big Brother, he's open about his intentions. He's going to do whatever it takes to win and if people succumb to his ruses during the game they have only themselves to blame.
Posted by: FourFourSeven
I didn't like Richard the first season, and I rooted against him. Now? It's completely different. He's the only one who's doing NOTHING but playing the game. (Even the shark stunt was just a way to get on the good side of the other players on his team). And, frankly, he's been absolutely hilarious.
I want him to win, but I can't imagine how he'd do it. He needs to somehow stick around until there are five or six people left. Then he's got a shot - he simply needs to convince everyone that he's the best one to go against in the final two. But how would he ever win again in the final two?!?
Posted by: DLiquid
quote:
Originally posted by FourFourSeven
But how would he ever win again in the final two?!?
I think he could easily win if he made it to the final two. IMO, he was the biggest target at the start of the game, but somehow he seems to have diffused that situation, at least until the merge. I guess by being the strange naked guy all the time, weird strategy but it seems to be working. Who knows though, we haven't really seen the scheming in that tribe. If he makes it to the final two, how could they NOT give it to him. He's the OG survivor and if he makes it that far then he deserves it.
Posted by: jhausmann
quote:
Originally posted by ClutchBrake
For those not impressed with the shark ordeal, would you catch a shark with your bare hands? ;) I know I wouldn't. I don't even like touching catfish and bass!
I would say it would depend on how hungry you've gotten....
Posted by: smak
I also like Richard because he kind of defeats some gay stereotypes.
He's the best fisherman, one of the best swimmers, knows a lot of survival techniques.
I'd take Richard over most of the "cut" guys in any of the Survivor's.
-smak-
Posted by: TampaThunder
Was it a stereotype that gays couldn't swim or fish? :D
Posted by: smak
quote:
Originally posted by TampaThunder
Was it a stereotype that gays couldn't swim or fish? :D
Well, maybe not specifically but...
-smak-
Posted by: Philosofy
Remember Brandon from Africa? Now THAT was a stereotype!
Posted by: sherylking
I rooted against Richard in the first show, but I'm rooting for him now! Maybe because I dislike others (like Jerry the bitch and Alicia) more! And I like the way he does things because they amuse him. I think he'd be someone great to know in person. Very intresting.
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