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Posted by: cwaring
As there are quite a few video-philes on this forum, I thought I'd just ask a couple of questions about DVD Players & Recorders.
1. Panasonic S35
Has anyone esle got one of these? If so, which DVD-R/W format does it play. I have got one but I can't find any reference as to which format can play.
2. Ellion DVD-R900
Anyone here got one of these? If so, I'd appreciate your comments as I can't seem to find any on-line reviews of this make/model.
Finally, can anyone recommend any other sub-£200 DVD Recorders?
Thanks.
Posted by: BaggieBoy
According to http://www.dvdrhelp.com/dvdplayers the Panasonic S35 can play just about every format.
Posted by: Dr Spanner
As you can see here
I have given up with my DVD player and am also looking to replace it with a DVD writer. Any suggestions of a good one sub £500 would be appreciated...
Posted by: cwaring
quote:
Originally posted by BaggieBoy
According to http://www.dvdrhelp.com/dvdplayers the Panasonic S35 can play just about every format.
Hehe! Was on that site last night and never thought to check :( Thanks!
Posted by: cwaring
Comments on this model, please!
I know there are 6 recording qualities on this machine. As this Nmb/s means nothing to me, can someone please give me a 'real world' guide to the different qualities.
Thanks.
Posted by: woody
Hi carl
I bough a MultiRegion version from RGB direct. WOW, what can I say.
Quality wise of the recordings. I find the 6hr quality aprox like medium of Tivo, but this depends on the amount of movement in the images you record, fast paced sports etc may get a blocky effect like basic setting on Tivo. 4hr (M4) setting like a VCR, and the others 1, 2 and 2.5 hrs qualitys are like Tivos best, and High.
the manual put the qualitys as
M1-High quality
M2-Standard (equal to pre-recorded DVD)
M2x-Standard plus (better than S-VHS)
M3-S-VHS qulaity (3hrs)
M4-Extended play (better than VHS)
M6-Super Long Play (VHS Picture quality)
I bought a set of 6 sample discs, of which 1 was a RW version. Very usefull to play with, as the DVDR doesn't come with any media. I use Datawrite DVD+R discs for archiving. Not had any problems with the recorder yet, 4 compleate discs, and the RW disc for several clashes from the freeview box, whilst tivo uses the sky box.
HTH
Chris
any further Q's, I will try and give an honest, and unbiased answer.
Posted by: cwaring
Thanks for that, Woody!
The story is that my parents are buying for me but I am giving them my DVD player. This is so that I can record things for them and send them the DVDs instead of VHS cassettes. They live in Spain, you see.
I normally record stuff on video at LP quality so anything above that is a bonus. However, with it being digital, I would presume they will be expecting better than VHS quality. This is fine for most single doco's and short-run UK shows, but I am recording Season 3 of "24" for them (they loved 1 & 2!) and this could take quite a few DVDs at high quality so they may have to put up with something less :)
One further question. Has the machine made many (any?) coasters for you? I have read about people having problems with DVD+RWs. What's your experience of this?
Oh yeah. "I bought a set of 6 sample discs...". Sample discs? You mean a pack of all-different-brand disks?
Ebuyer are doing Philips DVD+RW for £1.67 each, incl VAT. (Item # 52632) I plan on using those.
Thanks again.
Posted by: woody
Carl. I remeber your parents live in Spain, sending them DVD's will be much cheaper on the postage :)
6hr mode is fine. I use it for recording films from tivo. About the same quality as LP VHS, or slightly better..
Not had any coasters with it, 4 comleate discs using DVD+R, and halfway through the 5th , plus the RW disc as mentioned above for time shifting. The DVDR hasn't had any firmware updates by me, but this doesn't mean that the guys at RGB Direct didn't do it. Even if its an old firmware, I don't plan to do anything about it, as the player/recording features work 100%
The 6 disc sample pack, is different make discs. I bought this as some people claim different discs work, and some don't, the coaster bit you reffer to I think. As far as I can tell, it doesn't seem to make much diference, but bought a 25cake of datawrites, as they work OK, and are the cheapest. works out at about 79pence per disc, including postage.
All come from SVP communications, who were the cheapest at time of ordering, and they are the only people who sell sample packs.
One thing that I have noticed, and this may/not apply to you, is the discs don't play in all DVD players. The finalised DVD+R discs from my machine wont work in my Orion DVD. Not tried to use the +RW disc in the standalone player.
Chris
Posted by: cwaring
quote:
Originally posted by woody
The DVDR hasn't had any firmware updates by me, but this doesn't mean that the guys at RGB Direct didn't do it. Even if its an old firmware, I don't plan to do anything about it, as the player/recording features work 100%
Nice to know that 6hr mode is okay!
Just in case you think about it some more :) Link
If you can't stand 45mb download just gimme a shout and I'll put it on CD for ya :)
Posted by: woody
Thanks for the offer carl.. might hold you to it one day when it starts making those nice personalised coasters :D al 45mb download on a dial-up conection would be a hell.
Just had a look at the firmware version. It actually came with the most recent release, so perhaps all the bugs have been fixed. date 20030701 version LFF13K.
chris
Posted by: johala_reewi
quote:
Originally posted by woody
<snip>
One thing that I have noticed, and this may/not apply to you, is the discs don't play in all DVD players. The finalised DVD+R discs from my machine wont work in my Orion DVD. Not tried to use the +RW disc in the standalone player.
Chris
This is true of a lot of recordable DVD media. Older players can have trouble recognising the DVD due the reflectivity being different to standard DVD-VIDEO movies. The same is more likely with +RW so you may find +R or -R work but a +RW doesn't. Also there is a problem with book types. When you record to a +R in a consumer recorder, the DVD booktype is DVD-ROM which may not be recognised by the old player (expecting DVD-VIDEO). When you record to +RW, the booktype is DVD+RW by default but, you can invoke 'bitsetting' which changes the booktype of the +RW to something that the old player might accept. Also note that while you can happily play unfinalised +R discs in your +R machine, no DVD-PLAYER will play one until it has been finalised.
If you get a Philips or other + format recorder, check out the website and forums at http://www.dvdplusrw.org/
Posted by: johala_reewi
quote:
Originally posted by woody
Thanks for the offer carl.. might hold you to it one day when it starts making those nice personalised coasters :D al 45mb download on a dial-up conection would be a hell.
Just had a look at the firmware version. It actually came with the most recent release, so perhaps all the bugs have been fixed. date 20030701 version LFF13K.
chris
There is a later release FF16a (i think) which is installed on a number of recent Philips machines and is available from the Philips download site but, the +RW forums have reported some problems with this release and all it really seems to give you is some more characters for titles and the inclusion of 8x FF/RW on the remote (ie. it goes x4 x8 x32). So if it aint broke, dont fix it. FF13K seems fairly stable.
Posted by: sanderton
quote:
Originally posted by cwaring
The story is that my parents are buying for me but I am giving them my DVD player. This is so that I can record things for them and send them the DVDs instead of VHS cassettes. They live in Spain, you see.
Why not get them to buy you a turbonet card, a length of crossover cable and a £70 DVD burner. :)
Thay could sposore your entry into the world of TiVo hacking. :)
Posted by: cwaring
Ooo. I like that idea ;)
A standard DVD Recorder will be a lot less work, though :)
Posted by: slob
I've been using DVDR70 for a couple of months: using TiVo "Save to VCR" to create DVD+RW recording to view on my laptop when away from home.
I've found that it works very well, though there are some niggles:
- WinDVD cannot skip ahead by 30 secs on these recordings, nor can the progress bar be dragged.
- Sometimes WinDVD gets confused about the contents of the menu/chapters/titles
- The DVDR70 one-touch record feature stops recording after about 1 hour on a 2hr recording
Re 1. I think some indexing is missing on +RW: there is no option to finalize these disks and I haven't bothered with any editing.
I suspect that WinDVD is probably treating all of the DVD+RW's as the same one, since I get problem 2 if I swap dics on the laptop without restarting WinDVD.(Version 5, BTW)
I'd be very interested if anyone else with TiVo has seen problem 3. OTR is a convenient way to work with "Save to VCR", since you can cue up Tivo then hit Record on the DVDR70 and bump up the record time in 30min increments to cover many likely program times. But when I try it with 2hours, the DVDR70 stops recording after 1hr and a few seconds.
Setting a timed recording to start in a minute and end 2hrs later works fine, but it is a hassle and the index frame doesn't contain the TiVo VCR banner.
I have recently updated firmware from 13k to 16a, but not had time to repeat the test of OTR.
Final comment: The DVDR70 manual is infuriating, though you can get almost everything you need by concentrating hard.
Edit 28 Feb 2004: I have now completed several 2hour OTR recordings successfully. Looks like 16a firmware fixed this problem.
(Edit: spellings!)
Posted by: woody
quote:
Originally posted by johala_reewi
There is a later release FF16a (i think) which is installed on a number of recent Philips machines and is available from the Philips download site but, the +RW forums have reported some problems with this release and all it really seems to give you is some more characters for titles and the inclusion of 8x FF/RW on the remote (ie. it goes x4 x8 x32). So if it aint broke, dont fix it. FF13K seems fairly stable.
The FF13K on my DVDR70 has 4,8,32x FF speeds already.
Posted by: woody
quote:
Originally posted by slob
[*]The DVDR70 one-touch record feature stops recording after about 1 hour on a 2hr recording]
You acctually need to press 1 more than you would expect. 1 press is record whole disc, 2 presses is 30min, 3 for 1hr so 5 times for the 2hr. Works on mine OK.
quote:
Final comment: The DVDR70 manual is infuriating, though you can get almost everything you need by concentrating hard.
!)
What's a manual :D. I did actually read it, and found it very easy, if a little to simple, but then its wrote for the non-techie people.
Posted by: slob
quote:
Originally posted by woody
You acctually need to press 1 more than you would expect. 1 press is record whole disc, 2 presses is 30min, 3 for 1hr so 5 times for the 2hr. Works on mine OK.
Thanks for the heads-up about the number of presses. I'm confident I got enough, because the on-screen and front-panel displays both indicated that a 2hour recording was scheduled. They started counting down from 2.00 to 1.59.59 etc. But then the recording stopped after 1hour and about 13 seconds.
Since upgrading to firmware 16a I have now tried one OTR recording (2hr30min in this case): it worked perfectly. I'll try a few more and see!
Posted by: Automan
Drat,
New model next may :(
http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi...ews.php?id=5711
Automan.
Posted by: cwaring
Does that mean Ebay will be flooded with DVDR70/80's? Cool ;)
Posted by: johala_reewi
quote:
Originally posted by slob
[*]The DVDR70 one-touch record feature stops recording after about 1 hour on a 2hr recording
I'd be very interested if anyone else with TiVo has seen problem 3. OTR is a convenient way to work with "Save to VCR", since you can cue up Tivo then hit Record on the DVDR70 and bump up the record time in 30min increments to cover many likely program times. But when I try it with 2hours, the DVDR70 stops recording after 1hr and a few seconds.
This has been reported by a few users on the +RW forum. I managed to reproduce the problem on my DVDR70 but now I am on FF16a, i can't seem to do it. Maybe 16a fixes it ? I don't often use OTR, I just leave the unit recording and come back in a couple of hours to check if I have survived the red light of death.
Posted by: johala_reewi
quote:
Originally posted by woody
The FF13K on my DVDR70 has 4,8,32x FF speeds already.
The unit has always had these speeds and with a programmable remote, it has been possible to access them without going via the system menu. On the remote that comes with the DVDR70, when you press >> (and hold it down!!) it goes x4 if you repeat, it goes x32 (skipping x8). FF16a fixes this and the x8 is not skipped anymmore.
Posted by: woody
quote:
Originally posted by johala_reewi
The unit has always had these speeds and with a programmable remote, it has been possible to access them without going via the system menu. On the remote that comes with the DVDR70, when you press >> (and hold it down!!) it goes x4 if you repeat, it goes x32 (skipping x8). FF16a fixes this and the x8 is not skipped anymmore.
Are you sure?. Mine has FF13k, and if I use the >> on the remote supplied it goes x4,x8,x32. Just tried it to make sure. Might be something RGBDirect done when they made it multiregion enabled.
Posted by: johala_reewi
Maybe there is remote hack to make it work. My DVDR70 came with some early rev firmware that didn't work very well so i went to FF13k and the >> button on the remote just did x4 x32 it didn't start going x4 x8 x32 until I went to FF16a. Curious.
Posted by: slob
Re 2 hour OTR: since updating the firmware to 16a, I have made 2 or 3 good recordings of this duration on the DVDR70. Looks like 16a fixed it.
Posted by: Automan
My Blakes Seven DVD boxset arrived yesterday :)
However, my DVDR80 & DVDR70 players both reboot in the middle of the second episode on each DVD and yes, I'm not alone!
http://www.blakes-7.co.uk/phpBB2/vi...er=asc&start=30
It seems something to do with a smooth layer change or in the case of Philips its a layer stop :(
I did email Philips yesterday who promise a response in under 24hrs. We shall see!
Automan.
Posted by: cwaring
Anyone every recorded anything onto VD instead of DVD? Don't suppose you'd get a lot of recording time? Was just wondering :)
Posted by: Ian_m
A friend of mine had similar layer change crash problems on his Philips DVDR880 on Harry Potter DVD. Got an 8 digit AB..... type code half way through the disk. Worked fine on PC.
Took back to Tescos who changed it and has no problems since.
Mind you my 18th month old DVDR890 is at Philips at the moment, crashing at layer changes. Philips are changing the laser unit as that is warranteed for 4 years.
Posted by: Ashley
quote:
Originally posted by Ian_m
Mind you my 18th month old DVDR890 is at Philips at the moment, crashing at layer changes. Philips are changing the laser unit as that is warranteed for 4 years.
My DVDR890 has started to play up - not recognisising disks etc. How did you organise a return to Philips?
Posted by: Ian_m
I called Philips support on 0870 900 9070, navigated phone system to DVDR support. Person who answered was knowledgeable, as soon as I said words like "not recognising commercial disks", crashing with "AB... 8 digit error code" he immediately said "Fine we will fix it under warranty for free". Can't remember exactly but I think he said 4 year warranty on laser unit, 1 year on rest of unit.
You then write to Philips with a copy of your receipt and the serial number, get a letter acknowledging back and then phone to arrange for them to collect it. They collected mine from my work, next day. Should take about a week.
Not got mine back so can't comment if it works or not.
Posted by: Ashley
Thanks for that info. Now to hunt for my receipt:D
Posted by: Ashley
Well I found my receipt and loads of others as well. (I paid HOW MUCH for a 100Mb hard disk!)
Called Philips and, as my problem is, at the moment, only with recorded disks, they are sending me a CD that will update the firmware. Lets hope that will cure it.
Posted by: Ian_m
Well after the first couple of crashes around Xmas time, I upgraded mine to FF16, but made no difference.
What was so annoying as sometimes a disk would play fine all the way through, then I would eject the DVD and put it back in and would "faff" for ages before halting with an error code and "disk err" on display.
Anyway a nice lady from Philips has just phoned saying the "laser unit" has been changed and unit has been dispatched for delivery Thursday morning.
Posted by: Ian_m
My 890 arrived back yesterday after having the laser unit changed. Same serial number, still tuned into same aerial channels it was left in so not a swap out.
In the short time I had last night wasn't able to find my written down list of software serial numbers, formatter version etc, so unable to check what has changed software/firmware wise.
Played Harry Potter DVD correctly across the layer change a couple of time, where as previously would "go funny".
Recorded 2 hours BBC fine as well (+RW).
Only time will tell.
Posted by: Ashley
That's good news!
I'm still waiting for the firmware upgrade disk.:(
Might d/l and install it myself.
Posted by: Ian_m
Mine came back with FF12w installed.
(Actually I think this was the last version I installed before it went away, not FF16 as I said above)
Posted by: Ashley
Got fed up with waiting for the Philips disk so I d/l and burnt my own.
Inserted the cdr and got the following:
Reading
Download
SYSVersion
XXXXXXXX (Too quick to make a note)
InitDisc
MountErr
Err Trayin
Then the disk ejected.
Checked the system version and I think it's still FF11.
I'll wait for the Philips disk but I don't think it'll be any different.
Lets hope it's a laser unit fault and still under warranty
Posted by: Ian_m
quote:
InitDisc
MountErr
Thats duff CD image during upgrade. I blew mine using Nero 5, takes about 15minutes to upgrade firmware.
One thing to watch with upgraded machines, you can no longer edit (ie trim, delete individual programmes, add more programmes to etc) disks created with very old versions of software (on +RW at least). Bit annoying that when you find a disk with 1hr used and want to add more.
All you can do is erase and use again. (Insert disk whilst holding REC or clear, can't remember, or erase on PC).
Posted by: Ashley
I also used Nero 5. I made a single session disk (cdrw) and I finalised it. I've tried making two disks with the same result.:(
Posted by: Ian_m
I had problems the first firmware updrade I did, I think the problems were not using Nero 5.5 (I had 5.1 at the time).
Just used a CD-R with ff9o, ff11, ff12g abd ff12w all worked fine. One easy mistake to make (RTFM) is in setting CD writing type of:-
• File System CD-ROM ISO Level 2
• Mode 2/XA
• Character set ISO 9660
• Single session
• Write speed low
I don't think these are Nero defaults.
Posted by: Ashley
I tried a third time to burn an upgrade cd. This time it worked!:)
I think I had the mode set incorrectly last time.
However after the upgrade the DVDR still does not see a recorded disk that my Sony plays fine.:(
So back to Philips I think.
Posted by: Ian_m
I did the same, didn't work first time I tried to write a CD, then finally read the instructions to write a CD and it worked fine.
I would suspect you have the same fault as mine, needing a change of laser unit. I did numerous upgrades all thinking it would cure the problem, well it did appear to at first, but then dreaded "disk err"s came back each time.
Looks like mine is finally fixed, left it playing by itself last night (whilst I did more useful things) Shrek, followed by Harry Potter and finally Monsters Inc and saw no errors. The above sequence would have produced at least one error/crash hang before the fix. Previously I would have come back and found the machine in standby after having crashed.
Posted by: Ashley
Update
Phoned Philips again and after doing some more things such as resets. (Holding down the standby button whilst applying power) they said write to Philips CC enclosing proof of purchase.
This I did on the 11th and today received a letter from Philips saying:
Quote
'....it is unfortunately the case that such complex apparatus of whatever manufacture may require some service attention from time to time and it is not possible to predict when or how often this may happen.
It is for this reason that we make specific arrangements with our trade distributors to ensure that the user is able to enjoy service on a free of charge basis throughout the period of the guarentee. Any service attention outside this time would normally be on a chargeable basis.
However in light of the unusual circumstances outlined in your correspondence and as it not our wish that you should remain unhappy we are, as a gesture of goodwill and without prejudice, prepared to cover the cost of the repair currently required by your product.
If you wish to avail yourself of this offer, we would ask that you call Servicecare on ........... in order to arrange ........ collection of your equipment.............................
Once again, I apologise for the disappointment you have suffered but trust that we have gone some way towards restoring your faith in Philips and our products and that upon taking the above action matters may be resolved to your complete satisfaction.
Yours sincerely......................................
Unquote.
There was no mention of a 4 year guarentee on the laser unit.
It's being collected on Wednesday. Fingers crossed.
Posted by: Ian_m
When I first phoned I was asking specifically about warranty, before I mentioned the fault.
I was told DVD recorders were 12 months on the unit with 4 years on the laser unit.
Anyway I got the laser unit replaced on 18month old machine and since its return it has been fine, not seen one funny, error, skip etc at layer changes whilst watching numerous DVD's.
One point that is annoying is +RW disks written using the very old software revisions are not editable (or even format-able) using the latest fitted version of software. Something to do with UDF formats I think. Bit of a pain as I have a couple of +RW disks with hardly anything on and I can't add to. Can't remember how to erase the disk I think it was insert disk whilst pressing record on remote ??? (or just use PC).
Posted by: cwaring
I'm confused :confused: Yes, again :)
In the leaflet for the Philips DVDR70/75/80 it say's "Up to 6 hours video recording per side". Fine. I get that and it's great. Can't seem to find any double-sided DVD+RWs though; only single-sided with a label on. I assume I'm just not looking hard enough? Will they cost more than single-sided media? I assume there's no way to label them either?
Posted by: sanderton
They are literally two single sided disks stuck together like the old DVD10s used to be; I really wouldn't bother.
Posted by: iankb
... and due to low-volume sales, they are likely to be extremely expensive.
Posted by: woody
just stick to the single sided discs, at least you can label them.
Posted by: cwaring
True, but I'll get a maximum of 6 hours at not much better than VHS quality :( Hardly seems worth changing formats!
Posted by: sanderton
For most people the reason is to get recordings at very much better than VHS quality, plus full random access.
Posted by: woody
if you want the maximum of 6 hrs, then yes the quallity isn't much different from a VCR. Just that as stuart has said, you can get instant accesss to programs without all that fastforwarding/rewinding. this IMHO is worth the change alone, after getting use to this with Tivo.
chris
Posted by: cwaring
Yes, I'd forgotten about that when I wrote that post. A very good point :)
Posted by: johala_reewi
That's why I got a DVD recorder ! I was fed up with FF/RW ing through tapes to find the start of the program and having to play tapes to find out what was on the tape in the first place !! And tracking problems, dirty heads, tapes getting stuck. etc. DVDR solved all that with each recording nicely indexed (with picture) and channel/date/time stamped. Instant access and you can delete a recording it once you have seen it. It was heaven, then I got Tivo :)
Posted by: Ashley
quote:
Originally posted by Ashley
It's being collected on Wednesday. Fingers crossed.
Waited in all day. Didn't turn up!
:down:
Posted by: hdeditor
Can someone clear up a question for me?
When you record a DVD in different modes, it results in different length DVD's (higher quality = less record time.)
Does changing the quality mode have any effect on whether a DVD can play on a consumer DVD player?
Is there one quality mode that the DVD playes will play and only with that quality mode, or can consumer DVD players play any DVD recorded in any quality mode (assuming it was ever compatible)?
Posted by: cwaring
I have a DVD+R/W here with a few test recordings at different qualities and they all play fine on my standard DVD player.
Posted by: cwaring
Well, I've been and gone and done it. £226 from Richer Sounds.
Only problem is, it was sold as "NEW" but it isn't :(. I can tell 'cos the setup routine didn't initiate when I first plugged it in!
I'm not that bothered, (I'll see if I can get a partial refund, maybe :)) but is there a way to get it to re-start the 'virgin mode' setup again?
Thanks.
Posted by: Ashley
If it's the same as the 890 try holding down the STANDBY button whilst plugging the power in.
Posted by: cwaring
Anyone know of a place in central Leeds that does bulk DVDs (+RW & +R)? Could avoid P&P if there was as I'm in there every day!
Posted by: kitschcamp
I've always found mailorder a lot lot cheaper. svp/blankdiscshop is well worth joining their mailing list. They very often have 99p shipping weekends, so buying 50 or so discs at a time works out very cheap indeed.
Posted by: cwaring
Yeah. I was going to use them, but I thought I might be able to save the £5 P&P :) Also, with me starting this course this week, I won't be in when they deliver. Plus, I'm in a hurry to play with my new toy :D
Posted by: iankb
If you have a local Maplin store, they are probably the best bet.
Posted by: cwaring
I do, and they're not :(
Anyway, I decided to go into town and try every store I could find.
Staples - Don't have any
PCWorld/Game/HMV - Overpriced
So I decided to try a new, one-man store that I passed on the bus on my way to the above stores. I didn't try him first 'cos I thought that he had to charge more, just to make rent, etc. How wrong was I? :(
He had every possible combination of CD/DVD you could want, not a jewel/DVD case in sight and you could have as few/many as you need.
Well, at least I got some exercise :D
Posted by: Automan
quote:
Originally posted by cwaring
Well, I've been and gone and done it. £226 from Richer Sounds.
Only problem is, it was sold as "NEW" but it isn't :(. I can tell 'cos the setup routine didn't initiate when I first plugged it in!
I'm not that bothered, (I'll see if I can get a partial refund, maybe :)) but is there a way to get it to re-start the 'virgin mode' setup again?
Thanks.
If it was multiregion modified I think they have to power it up before it will accept the IR codes to region free it.
I quite often get my media from http://www.bigpockets.co.uk
Automan.
Posted by: cwaring
All is well. I don't know if this is actually the case, but the guy I spoke to @ RS said his was the same when he bought it, not to follow the manual and he guided be to the right spot!
Just set up my first couple of recordings @ M3. Will see what happens :)
BTW, I don't have to 'prepare' a blank DVD or anything do I? Looks like I'll have to wait while there's something on it before I can name the disk.
Posted by: cwaring
Does this look like it might work? I want to be able to record to DVD from either Tivo or VCR. I'm not bothered about RGB at this stage as my TV doesn't process it correctly.
http://www.telewestinfo.co.uk/tivo/images/setup.jpg
EDIT: Reduced size of diagram
Posted by: Automan
I would just put the DVDR between the Tivo TV scart and your TV.
You can still record VCR tape to DVDR via Tivo.
Automan.
Posted by: cwaring
quote:
Originally posted by Automan
I would just put the DVDR between the Tivo TV scart and your TV.
I can visualise this okay.
You can still record VCR tape to DVDR via Tivo.
Not getting this though, 'cos don't you have to watch the VCR on a bypass? How would that signal get to the DVDR? Would I still be able to watch Tivo whilst transferring from VCR to DVD? :confused:
Still, I'll give it a go :)
PS. Just recoding my first programme onto DVDR. Also found out that this model can't do 'time-shift'. Gotta let it record before watching it. No biggy :)
Posted by: Automan
True, when recording from VCR to DVDR you will have to watch it as well as Tivo will be busy.
However Tivo still will be able to record from your STB while the vcr is being recorded to dvdr.
Automan.
Posted by: Sneals2000
quote:
Originally posted by cwaring
Does this look like it might work? I want to be able to record to DVD from either Tivo or VCR. I'm not bothered about RGB at this stage as my TV doesn't process it correctly.
http://www.telewestinfo.co.uk/tivo/images/setup.jpg
EDIT: Reduced size of diagram
RGB connectivity between Tivo and a DVD Recorder will significantly improve the quality of recordings, even if they are played back composite into your TV. (Avoiding composite footprints and extra PAL code/decode processes is a key element in keeping picture quality up - composite encoding and decoding artefacts cause the MPEG2 encoders to waste data encoding analogue artefacts rather than proper picture information - RGB connectivity helps significantly in the quality stakes, even if the final picture is PAL encoded for display purposes)
I have connected my set-up as follows :
Sky box TV SCART output to Tivo Aux SCART in. (RGB enabled)
Tivo TV SCART output to DVD Recorder SCART input. (RGB enabled)
DVD TV SCART output to TV SCART. (RGB enabled - this would be composite in your case?)
I have then connected my VCR to my DVD Recorder via the S-video and phono audio connectors (on the front panel unfortunately as the Philips 75 doesn't have two rear mounted inputs) - I only use S-video connections cos I have a JVC S-VHS machine - there is a composite phono as well.
This allows me to watch a DVD whilst the Tivo records from Sky, Watch Tivo or Sky directly through the DVD (whether on or off - it loops through in standby), and also watch Sky or Tivo whilst recording DVDs from the VCR
(The Philips handily allows you to record from one source, whilst looping another source to the TV output, as do Sony DVD recorders - the TV/DVD function does this)
Posted by: woody
carl, If you have bought some blank discs. I hope at least 1 was a RW. this is very usefull for timeshifting or playing with your new toy.
I use the RW disc for timeshifting, and the normal +r discs for recordings I want to keep, which are also cheaper.
I actually found it cheaper to buy the blank discs by post from the blankshop/svp even allowing for postage. by the time I've drove to the shop/parked and paid the higher prices. If you buy by post, make sure its at least 25 discs at a time.
I have my recorder between the Tivo and TV, but as has been pointed out, the downside to this is that you cant watch a different program from tivo. I guess it depends on how much you intend to record from the VCR.
Posted by: cwaring
quote:
Originally posted by woody
carl, If you have bought some blank discs. I hope at least 1 was a RW. this is very usefull for timeshifting or playing with your new toy.
Bought a single RW for testing purposes. Will be buying bulk this week.
I use the RW disc for timeshifting, and the normal +r discs for recordings I want to keep, which are also cheaper.
Sounds like a plan to me! Unfortunately, the one thing the DVDR doesn't do is let you start to watch something before it's finished recording. It's no big thing, though.
I actually found it cheaper to buy the blank discs by post from the blankshop/svp even allowing for postage. by the time I've drove to the shop/parked and paid the higher prices. If you buy by post, make sure its at least 25 discs at a time.
Luckily (especially as I don't drive) this shop is in the centre of the city, right outside my bus stop :D
I have my recorder between the Tivo and TV, but as has been pointed out, the downside to this is that you cant watch a different program from tivo. I guess it depends on how much you intend to record from the VCR.
I have some material on Video that I want to transfer to DVD+R. I also want to be able to transfer from Tivo to DVD+R/+RW without having to swap leads around, etc.
This is why I had intended to put my DVDR where my VCR is now (in the Tivo's VCR SCART) and then put the VCR on the second SCART socket on the DVDR.
Posted by: iankb
quote:
Originally posted by woody
I actually found it cheaper to buy the blank discs by post from the blankshop/svp even allowing for postage.
I actually found postage increased disproportionately when ordering more discs from some suppliers. That's because when you break the Post Office's weight limit, the supplier switches to more expensive couriers. i.e. It can be cheaper to split large orders.
Posted by: woody
quote:
Originally posted by cwaring
Sounds like a plan to me! Unfortunately, the one thing the DVDR doesn't do is let you start to watch something before it's finished recording. It's no big thing, though.
I only have the 1 RW disc. more than enough, and its very rare that I need it. only when tivo can't record from two channels at once.
Luckily (especially as I don't drive) this shop is in the centre of the city, right outside my bus stop :D
your even luckier, I don't have a bus stop, nearest is over a mile away.
have some material on Video that I want to transfer to DVD+R. I also want to be able to transfer from Tivo to DVD+R/+RW without having to swap leads around, etc.
This is why I had intended to put my DVDR where my VCR is now (in the Tivo's VCR SCART) and then put the VCR on the second SCART socket on the DVDR.
if the DVDR is between the tivo and tv, you can still record onto the dvdr from tivo, and vcr, but unfortuantely not watch something from tivo at the same time.
only way around this, and I haven't done it yet, is to get a scart to phono lead, and connect the vcr to the phonos on the front of the dvdr.
Posted by: cwaring
Or, as I suggested, put the VCR into the other SCART socket, thereby completely removing it from the Tivo as it is not needed any more as I have the DVDR.
PS. Woody you have (or had if he edits it!) an errant tag somewhere. Took me a while to figure out what was quotes and what was original content :)
Posted by: Ian_m
I have my DVD recorder between the TV and TiVo works fine.
If I need to record VCR to DVD (quite often) I used the EXT3 front panel connections on the DVD recorder from the EXT2 SCART on my VCR.
This has the advantage that the TiVo can be used whilst recording on DVD (pass through still works) and you can easily place a "Digital Video Stabiliser" (Maplin £29) in line with EXT3 to enable you to record tapes to DVD.
As you will find "COPY PROTECT" is quite a common display on the Philips DVD recorders.
Posted by: cwaring
Well I just configured mine as a mentioned above and it works perfectly :)
Posted by: cwaring
Recorded CSI on Tuesday. Recorded some other stuff today (as backup in case channel-changing failed again :() and lost the first recording. Why?
All were done @ M3 quality and there was less than 3 hours-worth in total. At least, I'm fairly certain there was :) Surely if there was more, it would simply have not recorded anything over the three hours, or does it wipe stuff off again to make room?
I didn't think I had to do anything to preserve existing recordings :(
Edited to add:
Just re-checked the DVD and found that there is a red line down the rh-side of the opaque box on the right of the main DVD menu screen; just under 1/3 the length of the box. Wasn't there last time I looked? Does that mean anything?
Posted by: Ashley
quote:
Originally posted by Ian_m
My 890 arrived back yesterday after having the laser unit changed. Same serial number, still tuned into same aerial channels it was left in so not a swap out.
How long did it take in total to be repaired?
Mine was collected on Monday.
Posted by: woody
quote:
Originally posted by cwaring
Recorded CSI on Tuesday. Recorded some other stuff today (as backup in case channel-changing failed again :() and lost the first recording. Why?
All were done @ M3 quality and there was less than 3 hours-worth in total. At least, I'm fairly certain there was :) Surely if there was more, it would simply have not recorded anything over the three hours, or does it wipe stuff off again to make room?
I didn't think I had to do anything to preserve existing recordings :(
Edited to add:
Just re-checked the DVD and found that there is a red line down the rh-side of the opaque box on the right of the main DVD menu screen; just under 1/3 the length of the box. Wasn't there last time I looked? Does that mean anything?
Hi carl
you have to be carefull with this recorder.
when you set recordings, make sure that you put the marker, see the red line, and a icon of whats on the disc, in a vacant slot, this is especially important if you have been watching whats already recorded.
also if you record over the beginning of the disc, and you have two programs of 1hr long at the start, and decode to record a 1.5 hrs program at the beginning, it will erase/record over both programs, even if there is space at the end of the disc.
Easy way to think of the discs, is to treat them in exactly the same way as a VCR for recording.
HTH
Chris
Posted by: cwaring
CSI was the first programme on the disc. Surely the others should just have been recorded after it? (Just like a VCR, as you mention)
Posted by: Ashley
On my 890 you have to hold the REC button down until ''Safe Record' appears on the display to avoid over recording.
Posted by: cwaring
I know about that, but that's only for manual "on-the-spot" recordings. It's a little difficult to if you're not actually there; ie timer recordings :)
Posted by: Ian_m
Carl,
You have to ensure the "marker" on the disk display is left pointing at free space ("freetitle" on front panel display) when you leave the 890 on timer record or else as mentioned it will overwrite things on the disk.
I have overwritten something at the beginning of the disk once or twice so its easy to do. You soon learn that when inserting a partially full disk to ensure is says "freetitle" on the display (or turn the TV on to really see what you are doing).
Ashley my DVDR890 took just over a week to be fixed.
Posted by: johala_reewi
quote:
Originally posted by cwaring
Edited to add:
Just re-checked the DVD and found that there is a red line down the rh-side of the opaque box on the right of the main DVD menu screen; just under 1/3 the length of the box. Wasn't there last time I looked? Does that mean anything?
The box down the right hand side of the display gives you an indication of disk usage. The 'solid' blue bits are recorded disk, the lighter blue bits are free disk. The red line shows where timed recordings will be recorded to when the timer kicks in.
Posted by: cwaring
Thanks, johala_reewi :)
Posted by: Automan
Carl,
With the DVDR70,75,80 series players you must make sure you are on a FREETITLE before you press record.
This will be displayed on the player menus and the front display of the recorder.
Its just like selecting a free bit of space on a vhs tape :)
Also with the DVDR80 if in standby you press the record button, it starts up and erases and starts recording over the first item on the media.
Your thinking, thats unlikely - but no! This recorder and the rec/otr and power button both at the top of the remote control and both are marked red!
Automan.
Posted by: Adlopa
Slightly OT but presumably, you can pop a disc created on a DVD recorder into a PC and mess with the MPEG2 file with the application of your choice..?
Posted by: cwaring
Automan. Luckily, the 'standby' and 'record' buttons are at opposite ends of the remote on the 70 :)
Adlopa. Yes, I believe so.
Posted by: Ian_m
quote:
Slightly OT but presumably, you can pop a disc created on a DVD recorder into a PC and mess with the MPEG2 file with the application of your choice..?
Problem is sound is AC3 format which a lot of MPEG2 editors won't touch, you have to buy the much much more expensive AC3 version of the tool.
I have been using (BESWEET+AC3 Codec) to convert AC3 to MP2 before then editing with Ulead MovieFactory. Works fine.
Posted by: iankb
I think that Nero 6 may be able to handle AC3.
Posted by: Ian_m
Quite a bit of writing software can handle an MPEG2 file with AC3 audio writing to DVD, but very few can edit (trim cut etc) the file.
Posted by: cwaring
If you own a DVDR70, what are your experiences with VideoCD's. I have one here that played perfectly well in my other DVD player, but when I try to play it in my Philips, it looks like slightly-badly-tuned TV channel; B&W with squigely (sp?) lines all over the picture.
Any ideas?
Posted by: Ian_m
iankb is right. Nero 6 does include an AC3 decocoder and encoder.
Just hope they have improved Nero Vision Express as the previous version I tried was not very good. DVD menu choices and flexibility of menus was very poor. Also kept on insisting on re-transcoding my MPEG compliant files, thus taking hours and hours. Plus no AC3.
Might try a demo of the new version to see if improved.
Posted by: iankb
Nero 6 is a major advance on Nero 5, and well worth the upgrade. And they do an upgrade price from an OEM version of 5 to the full 6 package.
Posted by: woody
quote:
Originally posted by cwaring
If you own a DVDR70, what are your experiences with VideoCD's. I have one here that played perfectly well in my other DVD player, but when I try to play it in my Philips, it looks like slightly-badly-tuned TV channel; B&W with squigely (sp?) lines all over the picture.
Any ideas?
I have several VCD's, won't play in the normal DVD player, but work OK in the DVDR70.
Picture looks OK to me, just like a medium setting from Tivo. can't compare to to another DVD player.
not sure whats wrong with yours. could it be an incompatable disc?
Posted by: Ashley
quote:
Originally posted by Ashley
How long did it take in total to be repaired?
Mine was collected on Monday.
I got it back today.
Had to a channel scan to get my TV channels back. Had to do it manually because when I tried an auto scan it found a station called 'CEEFA' which messed up the order. (It must have read the wrong part of the Teletext header!)
Seems to work ok now. I was able to erase a disk created on my machine before the repair but not able to edit a recording.
I got a bonus - I found a DCD+RW inside it.:up:
But it was badly scratched.:down:
Posted by: Sneals2000
Interesting the use made of teletext data by the Philips DVD recorders. I dubbed an old mid-90s S-VHS recording of an analogue broadcast to my 75 when I got it (via S-video) and the recorder seemed to work out what the programme was and title it sensibly. Quite spooky!
Posted by: kitschcamp
Picked up yesterday at one of the big electrical chains a Philips DVDR880 for just over £100. Only downside no powerlead (that's what The Wires Box is for), no manual (downloaded from Philips website) and no remote (downloaded from OneForAll). Absolute bargain :)
Posted by: Regor
Does anyone think that there is any one DVD recorder that stands out from others. (ignoring proce)
From reading all the posts it seems that no one model is perfect for everyones needs/wants.
I am looking to buy at the moment but cannot decide which one to go for.
Also, according the the comet website, the DVDR70 cannot play DVD-RW format, but reading the post sit appears it can!!:
Posted by: Ian_m
My 890 will play -RW disks, but....
1. The disk must be finalised before using.
2. Write at least 1-3Gb of data (or preferably fill the disk 100% at least once) and it works. (there is an option in Nero 5 to do this).
Or just use +RW, as disk is always finalised, not bothered about filling/formatting disk and available at x4 speed.
Posted by: cwaring
No, the DVDR70 cannot read or write to DVD-R/RW. Only DVD+.
Posted by: cwaring
quote:
Originally posted by Sneals2000
Interesting the use made of teletext data by the Philips DVD recorders. I dubbed an old mid-90s S-VHS recording of an analogue broadcast to my 75 when I got it (via S-video) and the recorder seemed to work out what the programme was and title it sensibly. Quite spooky!
I have done a few terrestrial recordings now and so far only C4 seems to broadcast the name of the show. Recorded "Frasier" last night :)
Posted by: johala_reewi
quote:
Originally posted by cwaring
No, the DVDR70 cannot read or write to DVD-R/RW. Only DVD+.
The DVDR70 can read finalised -R disks and finalised -RW disks that have been done in 'compatible' mode (as can most DVD players). You are right about them not being able to write to them.
Posted by: Sneals2000
quote:
Originally posted by cwaring
No, the DVDR70 cannot read or write to DVD-R/RW. Only DVD+.
Oh - my 75 has no problems with -R or -RWs - both recorded on Sony DVD recorders or a PC DVD-R drive. All have been recorded on 1x Media at 1x.
In all cases the -RWs and -Rs have been finalised (I think)
I have yet to come across a DVD that the 75 won't read - though am told it struggles with the latest Blake's 7 box set? (I think from one of the threads on here!)
Posted by: cwaring
Okay, so maybe I was wrong about the 'read' part. Sorry, but I am new to this :)
Posted by: Sneals2000
quote:
Originally posted by Regor
Does anyone think that there is any one DVD recorder that stands out from others. (ignoring proce)
From reading all the posts it seems that no one model is perfect for everyones needs/wants.
I am looking to buy at the moment but cannot decide which one to go for.
Also, according the the comet website, the DVDR70 cannot play DVD-RW format, but reading the post sit appears it can!!:
If money is no object then I have been very impressed with the Sony GX series (I couldn't justify the expense) The ability to record on both + and - media, and the extremely good quality PAL decoder and MPEG2 encoder mean that VHS material dubbed across looks really good.
That said the shuttle modes on both the Philips and Sony DVD recorders I have used both leave something to be desired.
In all cases I find that watching VHS material through the DVD Recorder (effectively using it as a PAL to RGB decoder) means that it looks far nicer - because my Sony TV doesn't impose the horrid SVM (Scan Velocity Modulation) in RGB mode that adds black and white edges, artificially sharpening the picture, whereas it can only be defeated on composite sources by viewing in "Movie" mode - which freezes out changes to saturation, brightness etc.
Posted by: cwaring
quote:
Originally posted by cwaring
If you own a DVDR70, what are your experiences with VideoCD's. I have one here that played perfectly well in my other DVD player, but when I try to play it in my Philips, it looks like slightly-badly-tuned TV channel; B&W with squigely (sp?) lines all over the picture.
Any ideas?
Turns out it's a picture format problem. I found that I had the same problem when trying to watch one particular video cassette as well. Which got me thinking. What do these two things have in common. Four letters. NTSC :(
However, the only relevant commment in the User Manual is this:
"The TV system of the disc does not match that of your TV set (PAL/NTSC)."
The thing is, my original DVD Player (a Panny) had no problem playing this VCD through the same telly; also a Philips, as it happens :)
I assume it is actually the case that the Philips that cannot play an NTSC-encoded VCD, nor 'pass-though' and NTSC signal (from my VCR).
Anyone know for sure before I call Philips' helpline?
Thanks.
Posted by: Sneals2000
quote:
Originally posted by cwaring
Turns out it's a picture format problem. I found that I had the same problem when trying to watch one particular video cassette as well. Which got me thinking. What do these two things have in common. Four letters. NTSC :(
However, the only relevant commment in the User Manual is this:
"The TV system of the disc does not match that of your TV set (PAL/NTSC)."
The thing is, my original DVD Player (a Panny) had no problem playing this VCD through the same telly; also a Philips, as it happens :)
I assume it is actually the case that the Philips that cannot play an NTSC-encoded VCD, nor 'pass-though' and NTSC signal (from my VCR).
Anyone know for sure before I call Philips' helpline?
Thanks.
AIUI the DVDR75 will record clean NTSC 3.58 material as NTSC, and will replay 480/60i (aka 525/60) material in RGB/60 (not sure if this comes out as NTSC 3.58/60 or PAL 4.43/60)
I would be surprised if the DVDR coped with PAL4.43/60 from a VCR (aka NTSC playback from a PAL VCR) in MONITOR mode (as I would not expect the DVD recorder composite decoder to cope with such a non-standard chroma system) However I would hope that it coped with NTSC 3.58/60 from a normal NTSC or multi-standard VCR.
I've got a source of RGB/60, NTSC 3.58/60, PAL 4.43/60 at home. When I get a chance I'll report back.
Posted by: cwaring
Thanks for the reply. So, is that a 'yes' or a 'no' then? :) Plus, I have the 70, not the 75 but I assume the above still applies?
Posted by: Sneals2000
quote:
Originally posted by cwaring
Thanks for the reply. So, is that a 'yes' or a 'no' then? :) Plus, I have the 70, not the 75 but I assume the above still applies?
It's an "I'll report back when I've had time to do some tests" kind of answer - plus an "I'd be a bit quite surprised if it recorded the mangled, non-standard, PAL 4.43/60 that comes out of a UK "NTSC playback" VCR"
** EDIT ** Just checked the Philips website, and in the spec sheet for the UK DVDR70 it details NTSC/60 recording resolutions of 720x480 and 360x480. It also mentions that it will record and replay both PAL/SECAM 50 and NTSC 60, but only has a PAL/SECAM internal tuner.
Posted by: woody
I have some region 1 DVDs, NTSC format, and my DVDR70 plays them just fine.
I Don't have any NTSC format tapes to try.
Posted by: Ian_m
My DVDR890 passes through NTSC (PAL 60?) from my VCR correctly. Not tried recording to DVD though.
Posted by: johala_reewi
I have recorded NTSC VCR tape onto DVD using a Philips DVDR 880 and a Toshiba UK VCR player. Works no problem. The 880 also did pass through of the NTSC from the VCR to the TV and it worked in monitor mode. I haven't tried this with the DVDR70 though but I would assume that if the 880 can do it, the 70 can as well. I can give it a try because I now have a DVDR70 and I still have NTSC videos I can play on the UK VCR player.
Posted by: johala_reewi
I have dug out my old NTSC video, stuck it in my UK VCR player, put an empty +RW into my DVDR70, switched the DVDR70 to EXT2, pressed play on the VCR, pressed REC on the DVDR and sat back. VCR recorded perfectly and I now have an NTSC DVD+RW which actually looks better than the original VCR. Full colour and the monitor function worked perfectly as well so it looks like the answer is yes :)
Posted by: cwaring
Thanks very much going to the trouble to do the test, but I'm now worried that there may be something wrong with my unit :(
Actually, I wonder if the difference might be that mine was an NTSC video in a PAL VCR? Yes, it does do NTSC as I have played the tape before!
Methinks I might be calling Philips CS tomorrow :)
Posted by: johala_reewi
quote:
Originally posted by cwaring
I assume it is actually the case that the Philips that cannot play an NTSC-encoded VCD, nor 'pass-though' and NTSC signal (from my VCR).
Anyone know for sure before I call Philips' helpline?
Thanks.
Not sure about NTSC encoded VCD (I don't have one) but the Philips DVDR70 does pass-through NTSC from EXT2 to EXT1 and can also record it to DVD.
Posted by: Sneals2000
quote:
Originally posted by cwaring
Thanks very much going to the trouble to do the test, but I'm now worried that there may be something wrong with my unit :(
Actually, I wonder if the difference might be that mine was an NTSC video in a PAL VCR? Yes, it does do NTSC as I have played the tape before!
Methinks I might be calling Philips CS tomorrow :)
There is a major difference between playing back an NTSC VHS in an NTSC VCR and playing the same tape back in a PAL VCR with "NTSC Playback"
The NTSC VHS machine will output a standard NTSC 525/60 3.58 colour signal (albeit a bit ropey cos of the VHS nature of the source) This is a broadcast standard NTSC system - and is "NTSC"
The PAL VCR with "NTSC Playback" will playback an NTSC VHS recording as a 525/60 signal - but instead of standard 3.58 NTSC (which many UK TVs wouldn't decode - resulting in a B&W picture) it outputs a 525/60 4.43 PAL colour signal that most UK TVs will decode in full colour -and because most sets lock to both 525/60 and 625/50 you get a stable colour picture. This PAL 525/60 4.43 signal is not a broadcast standard and is peculiar to VCRs that replay NTSC tapes for PAL TVs. (It is not the same as the PAL 525/60 3.58 used in Brazil...)
As it is neither a real PAL 625/50 4.43 (i.e. the "PAL" we use in Europe and Australia/NZ etc.) or an NTSC 525/60 3.58 (i.e. the "NTSC" used in North America, Japan and Korea) signal it is far less likely to be supported and decoded by a DVD Recorder, resulting in a black and white picture (as it tries to decode the 525/60 picture as NTSC chroma and fails)
However PAL/60 4.43 (and it's close relative NTSC/60 4.43 which is also sometimes used) is not entirely unknown - so some kit MAY decode it...
Posted by: cwaring
quote:
Originally posted by Sneals2000
As it is neither a real PAL 625/50 4.43 (i.e. the "PAL" we use in Europe and Australia/NZ etc.) or an NTSC 525/60 3.58 (i.e. the "NTSC" used in North America, Japan and Korea) signal it is far less likely to be supported and decoded by a DVD Recorder, resulting in a black and white picture (as it tries to decode the 525/60 picture as NTSC chroma and fails)
Only just got around to re-reading your post (see this thread as to why) and this it looks like you could be right.
I say "could" because, if your read johala_reewi's post a little way up, he had no problem.
Now I'm even more confused :confused: :rolleyes:
Posted by: Sneals2000
quote:
Originally posted by cwaring
Only just got around to re-reading your post (see this thread as to why) and this it looks like you could be right.
I say "could" because, if your read johala_reewi's post a little way up, he had no problem.
Now I'm even more confused :confused: :rolleyes:
johala_reewi says he is using an NTSC VCR - not a PAL VCR with NTSC playback. (This could either be a US NTSC VCR imported to the UK, or a "multi-standard" VCR. The latter usually replay recordings in their respective broadcast standards, so NTSC will replay as NTSC 3.58 525/60, PAL as PAL 4.43 625/50 etc., rather than creating the mangled mix of differing colour and line standards like PAL 60)
An NTSC VCR will output NTSC 3.58 525/60 (i.e. standard broadcast NTSC as used in the US, Japan etc.) This is a signal that a DVD Recorder with an NTSC decoder should be able to cope with. (It is what a DVD Recorder would expect to be fed if used in the US to record NTSC composite signals)
A PAL VCR with NTSC playback facilities will usually output in PAL 4.43 525/60 when playing back an NTSC recording (i.e. PAL 60 - which is UK standard PAL colour with US standard line scanning - a totally non-broadcast standard)
Many decoders work on the basis that anything that is 525/60 is NTSC colour - so when presented with a PAL colour signal at an NTSC line standard it will assume the chroma should also be NTSC and will not cope with decoding the PAL stuff - so give you a B&W signal instead.
PAL 60 aka PAL 4.43 525/60 is only generated by PAL 4.43 VCRs replaying NTSC recordings - it is not broadcast anywhere. It is therefore far less likely that a DVD recorder will cope with it.
Posted by: johala_reewi
The VCR is used was a UK VCR with NTSC playback. Specifically a Toshiba V752UK. Not sure what spec the NTSC playback is but it works with the DVDR 70. :)
Posted by: cwaring
Well, it's a very good bet that the Toshiba is better at that sort of thing than my cheapo Matsui, anyway :)
Posted by: Sneals2000
quote:
Originally posted by johala_reewi
The VCR is used was a UK VCR with NTSC playback. Specifically a Toshiba V752UK. Not sure what spec the NTSC playback is but it works with the DVDR 70. :)
I'll see if I can try with my Sony and JVC VHS machines tonight - both offer NTSC playback as PAL 60, with the Sony also offering NTSC 4.43. I should also be able to generate an NTSC 3.58 signal.
Posted by: cwaring
If I sent the tape and a DVD+R (+P&P of course!), could one of you guys transfer it for me? (Probably a far superior source picture quality as well ;)
Posted by: johala_reewi
Should be able to help out but I don't have a free slot until the weekend of 26/27 June if that is OK.
Posted by: Regor
I have just purchased the DVDR70 - can anyone tell me how I find out which firmware version I will be running ?
I couldn't see anything obvious in the set up menus.
Posted by: Automan
Press system menu,
Select tools menu (far left)
Arrow down to Remote control used
Press right arrow then down arrow and all will be revealed :)
Firmware and info how to show this are also at the philips uk website.
Just select the DVD Recorder products and your model.
http://www.consumer.philips.com/glo...VD_RECORDERS_SU
I see they also now have details of the new hard disc based version!
Automan.
Posted by: Regor
Thanks Automan,
The new model does look nice, if only you could put TiVo software on it!!
Posted by: Regor
One more thing....
Can anyone recommend an application for making the upgrade disk as I only have a bog standard program that came with my external drive which doesn't give me the options for:
• File System CD-ROM ISO Level 2
• Mode 2/XA
• Character set ISO 9660
• Single session
• Write speed low
Thanks
Posted by: Automan
Most versions of Roxio easy cd or Nero should do the trick.
I use Roxio Easy CD 6 myself.
Re the new Philips model with hard drive I see by default it has a 3hr livetv buffer and can be ordered at a price under £500.00 (unbeatble.co.uk).
Remote control and on-screen menus however look a little rough :(
Automan.
Posted by: pgogborn
Don't know about Roxio, but you can download a fully featured but limited life version of Nero for free >
http://www.nero.com/us/nero6-ultraedition.php
Posted by: Regor
Thanks guys, will prob go for Nero when I get a min.
Question for Carl - did you manage to force another 'set up' buy holding down the standby button and plugging the power in as I didn't work for me? I too do not have a brand new model (mine is ex display) and did not get the set up options when I first got it.
I need to get the recorder to recognise the analogue channels so I can record them, but the instructions indicate that this is done in the initial set up.
Posted by: Regor
ignore me - I have figured it out.
Posted by: cwaring
quote:
Originally posted by Regor
Question for Carl - did you manage to force another 'set up' buy holding down the standby button and plugging the power in as I didn't work for me?
Sorry, been away again for a couple of days!
No, I never did. How did you get it to work?
Posted by: Regor
Well, in the end I didn't manage to work it out - but in terms of getting the recorder to record from analogue I worked out you could do this from one of the system menus. (needed to get recorder to find channels)
I'm just about there with regards to setting it all up, the only thing to do now is to figure out how I can get the player to record from VCR!! (not many scart sockets left)
Posted by: Automan
quote:
Originally posted by Regor
Well, in the end I didn't manage to work it out - but in terms of getting the recorder to record from analogue I worked out you could do this from one of the system menus. (needed to get recorder to find channels)
I'm just about there with regards to setting it all up, the only thing to do now is to figure out how I can get the player to record from VCR!! (not many scart sockets left)
I see in the USA Philips are going to market a DVDR/HD/VCR combi model which would be ideal.
Automan.
Posted by: Regor
I've managed to get the VCR connected up all ok now :)
Is there any make of dvd+r / dvd-r that are better then others ? As i read that some makes are not 100% reliable. So far have bought a 10 pack of Packard Bells DVD+R none of which will play in my other Sony DVD player.
Posted by: richierich
I just bought the Panasonic DMR-E80H to offload SD material from my SD Tivo so I hope it does the job. Anyone else familiar with this unit who also is using it to offload Tivo stuff to DVD?
Posted by: KeithW
quote:
Originally posted by richierich
I just bought the Panasonic DMR-E80H to offload SD material from my SD Tivo so I hope it does the job. Anyone else familiar with this unit who also is using it to offload Tivo stuff to DVD?
I have a DMR-E80H & a DMR-E100H for any info required about the Panasonic DVR-R's you could try http://www.thewholewideweb.com/foru...lt.asp?CAT_ID=7
Posted by: johala_reewi
quote:
Originally posted by Regor
I've managed to get the VCR connected up all ok now :)
Is there any make of dvd+r / dvd-r that are better then others ? As i read that some makes are not 100% reliable. So far have bought a 10 pack of Packard Bells DVD+R none of which will play in my other Sony DVD player.
You have finalised the +R dvds before trying to play them in your player ?
Have a rummage around the +RW forum and FAQ at
http://www.dvdplusrw.org/
Check out media prices at
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/emperordalek/
Posted by: Ian_m
Another thing that caught me out with a -RW (and -R) disk is to ensure you write at least 1Gb (option in Nero somewhere) before placing in a DVD player. Got caught out by this one on Mirror -R/-RW disks. But Maxell -R/-RW disks are fine. Strange !!!
Posted by: Regor
Have only just seen the replies, so thanks - I am going to try again right now :)
Posted by: Regor
Thanks johala_reewi, once I finalise a disk - hey presto - it works !!!
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