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Joan of Arcadia Feb 27 (spoilers within)
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Posted by: BelugaWhale

Wow. The last 8 minutes blew me away. Seeing Joan (Jane :)) and Adam interact just puts me at ease. The characters are so interesting, and they go so well together. The writing was subtle and brilliant, as was the acting.

One day, Joan and Adam will be together. It may be next week, it may be after the run of the show is over and they're only living in our imaginations. But every time they have moments alone like that, it just reassures me that they are soulmates. Something pretty rare in TV writing, especially this early in a series.

edit: I'm a stupid tivo user. Today is the 28th, technically. Joan was on the 27th. Will a mod change the thread title? thanks.

Posted by: dr_mal

Was it wrong of me to be busting a gut when Joan first fell out of the washing machine with her leg caught in the wringer?

"Vengeance is mine, saith me" :)

Posted by: Family

Sorry, but I have to totally disagree. This episode was poor and the series has fallen flat on its face fast. Even the themes seem to be repeating (the cheerleader one was also about a stuck up kid who was brought down). I don't know if more is becoming less, but each week Joan seems to be overacting more than the previous one. The scenes with the band were a joke and her teenage manner is becoming way overdone and unbelieveable.

The best characters (I forget names).... the blond girl with the glasses.... Joan's best girlfriend...... the science geek younger brother..... and even the older brother were not in this episode at all so perhaps that is part of the problem this week. Is it me or did the series peak during that great episode when Joan & Adam kind of kissed? Since then the plots have been trite and inconsistent and the show has lost the greatness it seemed to be developing.

Posted by: jwjody

I thought it was a good episode. I liked the moment Joan and Adam shared at the end. I liked Joan learning that revenge isn't right.

I do think that they need to take the relationship between God and Joan to a different level. Joan is learning some but she doesn't seem to be maturing along with the lessons.

J

Posted by: SnakeEyes

quote:
Originally posted by Family
Sorry, but I have to totally disagree. This episode was poor and the series has fallen flat on its face fast. Even the themes seem to be repeating (the cheerleader one was also about a stuck up kid who was brought down). I don't know if more is becoming less, but each week Joan seems to be overacting more than the previous one. The scenes with the band were a joke and her teenage manner is becoming way overdone and unbelieveable.

The best characters (I forget names).... the blond girl with the glasses.... Joan's best girlfriend...... the science geek younger brother..... and even the older brother were not in this episode at all so perhaps that is part of the problem this week. Is it me or did the series peak during that great episode when Joan & Adam kind of kissed? Since then the plots have been trite and inconsistent and the show has lost the greatness it seemed to be developing.

Excuse me, but are you a Star Trek fan? ;)

Posted by: tube013

I liked this episode, it was much better than last weeks'. I was cracking up at the drum, and at the washing machine scenes, and really enjoyed the ending. Mom drunk off red wine was pretty good too.

Posted by: Cathy/Vik

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Originally posted by Family
This episode was poor and the series has fallen flat on its face fast.

I couldn't disagree more.

Joan's best girlfriend...... the science geek younger brother..... and even the older brother were not in this episode at all

They were in the episode that *I* saw...
Joan's best friend even had quite a bit to do w/the revenge-planning, so I really don't have any idea where you're getting that these people weren't in the ep...

I'm w/the rest of you who said you liked the last scene w/Joan & Adam. When Joan was saying "But you want me to like her, right?" I felt so sad for her... Haven't we all been in that position, at one time or another? *sigh*

Posted by: keirgrey

I enjoyed the episode, but I'm confused: What was she supposed to accomplish by joining the band?

Posted by: tube013

I think the band part was to do with the other girl, the quaker, and taking you aggression out in other non-harmful ways, ala beating a drum. The other girl drove this home during the conversation that ended with Joan asking the other girl if she had ever seen God. I guess Joan needs to do some catch up on different religions. Quaker is pretty cool. I went to a Quaker wedding over the summer, and it is a bit diffrent to say the least.

Posted by: tiellv

I liked the episode. I was LMAO when Joan was hanging out of the washing machine by one foot :D :D :D

Posted by: TiVaholic

Yeah, I'm probably too tired to think now, but what was up with the dryer? And the whole cop plotline just didn't fit with the way they usually do.

Posted by: warrenevans

I think that Adams female art friend would have read the letter before reading it in the lunch room, and picked something that didn't tell with that.

Posted by: Maui

quote:
Originally posted by TiVaholic
Yeah, I'm probably too tired to think now, but what was up with the dryer? And the whole cop plotline just didn't fit with the way they usually do.

The cop plotline actually did fit somewhat with the underlying theme of the show which was about revenge or paybacks. The Father had a hard time with the fact that the old guy in the car was not going to be legally punished in any way despite the injuries and death he had caused. He wanted the man to pay for it someway. In the end all he could do though was make the guy feel even more guilty during their talk in the hospital, which he felt bad about afterwards.

Posted by: TiVaholic

quote:
Originally posted by Maui
The cop plotline actually did fit somewhat with the underlying theme of the show which was about revenge or paybacks. The Father had a hard time with the fact that the old guy in the car was not going to be legally punished in any way despite the injuries and death he had caused. He wanted the man to pay for it someway. In the end all he could do though was make the guy feel even more guilty during their talk in the hospital, which he felt bad about afterwards.

Ohhh...I did somewhat pick up on that, I just didn't make the connection.

Posted by: Family

quote:
Originally posted by Cathy/Vik
I couldn't disagree more.

I'm w/the rest of you who said you liked the last scene w/Joan & Adam. When Joan was saying "But you want me to like her, right?" I felt so sad for her... Haven't we all been in that position, at one time or another? *sigh*

Looks like I am in the minority, but I am still right :) . What we probably have is a generational issue. Up until the great episode when Adam & Joan reconnected I thought Joan Of Arcadia was developing into that rare type of show that was multigenerational. I watched it because my daughter is Joan's age and it appeared that the dynamics of the characters was something that many age groups could relate to. Furthur I thought that the whole god thing was going to be an interesting complicated arc. Earlier episodes were ending bad for no apparent reason. Now storylines seem tied together in a "gag" like fashion.

As for the characters.... the father has become a cartoon character. His life over half a season has been a rollercoaster like joke. He pulls a gun on a 4 year old and the entire episode is about him not being a "nut job" instead of being concerned like an adult human should be. He brings "geeky kid" into work last week and in sterotypical fashion solves a big crime in five minutes. This wasn't the guy I was seeing in the first eight episodes.

Joan, meanwhile, increasing seems like a 20 year old actor playing a 16 year old kid. She is overdoing scenes more and more. What once was tame and cute now seems phony. In earlier episodes the direction seemed to be that the cast of high schoolers would be more ensemble... now the writers seem to feel that Joan needs to dominate more. And as she does... her acting becomes more unbelieveable and she seems to me and my daughter to be less like a HS aged kid.

Finally the god arc has fallen too. It is very one dimensional where before it was developing a la "The Dead Zone" where Johnny's powers have taken on greater meaning. I am not knocking the Adam/Joan stuff. It's just that if that is the main way they go it becomes just another show. Stuff like that can be an add-on, but if that's what makes an episode.... then it is touching a narrower audience than I had hoped. Like a said.... I had thought Joan of Arcadia was developing into a unique family generational show that we would all enjoy. I'm betting posters who liked this episode (and the show lately) are mostly not the ages of Joan and her parents. My daughter and I have been gaging. If the Adam/Joan scenes touch people personally.... that's fine, but I once believed the show was going to be so much deeper and broader.

Posted by: cwoody222

I have to agree that the show has lost some of the magic it had earlier in the season.

Some of the stuff is just WAY too overdone now. The washing machine is perfect. I mean, come on, Joan's a smart girl. Smart girls don't pour half a box of detergent (without looking!) and then STAND IN the machine. I thought I was watching the Brady Bunch where Bobby floods the wash room.

And in what High School in America can you just walk into band one day and say "I want to join. I play drums" and they hand you a part! Maybe in 'Strangers with Candy'-land but not the real world.

The father too - he's too cartoony now. Everything is way overblown, then solved, then he has a new crisis.

I still like Joan's friends, and the mom, and the wheelchair brother...but the rest is just too silly.