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Stargate 3/19 Season Finale Spoilers

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Posted by: IndyJones1023

OK, so was that thing they put Jack in some statis chamber? Is Anderson coming back for the last season?

And I thought they were supposed to introduce the Atlantis team on SG1 somehow. Apparently, they haven't even found Atlantis yet.

So, the Atlantis show starts in a few months, which will be before the next (and final) season of SG1 starts, right?

Seems like lots of loose ends in need of wrapping up here.


Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

Atlantis and SG-1 will start at about the same time (I suspect there will be a two-hour premire of Atlantis one week, then both shows from then on). Anderson signed a two-year contract before this season, so that should be some indication.
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According to leaked scripts, he is replacing Weir as the head of SG-1, and Weir, played by a new actress, is heading up the Atlantis team.


Seems to me they've pretty much wrapped up all the old plotlines. Anubis is dead, Ronnie Cox is in disgrace and no longer a threat to SG-1 (at least, not from inside the government; will he hook up with the Black Ops NID team?). They've set up the Atlantis show (presuambly, the first episode will be where they actually find the place), and cleared up the old business that's been draggin the show down this season.

Time to rock and roll!


Posted by: KLB

MG, do you think they are going to thaw jack out in the first episode of the season or the first ep of Atlantis?

I thought this would be the perfect way for RDA to get out of being on the show: the next season would be the search to fix and dethaw Jack. (shrug)

(( Spoilers regarding MG's spoiler's above ))
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now that you've seen this one you know why I thought that Jack wouldn't be running the SGC but I trust your informants more then a logical idea.

I've heard that they 'fired' Jessica Steen (SG1's Dr. Weir) rather unceremoniously and without an explanation to her at all.

I'm still pissed Hammond of Texas is losing his job!



Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

[All about Atlantis and next season; informed speculation]
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A couple of SG-1 cast have small appearances in the pilot for Atlantis, and I'm pretty sure I've heard RDA is one of them. I suspect he gets thawed out pretty quick; perhaps when they find Atlantis, they find the technology to "fix" his brain.

I think Hammond had to go to give his slot to RDA. Otherwise, they'd be in the very awkward position of continuing to come up with excuses for why he's often not around. It's an elegant solution, really; and although Hammond is good in that role, I think O'Neill will be as well, and he'll probably only have to work a day each week to do it. If we can't have all Jack, all the time, then at least we can have Jack in a way that makes sense (has any military officer ever gotten leave to go on that many fishing trips in a single year?).

As for why they re-cast Weir, I can only suspect it is because Steen did just a terrible job of playing the character. I didn't believe that this person would be put into a position of authority for a second. It's too bad, really; I've liked her in other things, but this is just NOT the role for her. Hopefully, her replacement will have a little more steel in her.



Posted by: bonscott87

More info then you ever need at www.gateworld.net

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
RDA was always coming back for season 8, assuming there was a season 8. However, Don Davis (who plays Hammond) didn't resign for season 8. He didn't want to do it anymore. Thus why Jack will now be in charge of the SGC.

Unsure on the firing of Stein. I think it also was because she didn't really pull the character off I don't think.

Jack and Daniel appear in the two hour premier of Atlantis to kick it off.


Season 8 of SG-1 will premier on July 9th.
Atlantis will premier one week later. SG-1 starts one week early so that it makes sense (obviously after seeing tonights episode).

By the way, gateworld already has episode synopsis of a few season 8 episodes in case certain people don't believe what MG has said. :)


Posted by: RGM1138

Hmm. I was expecting a bit more of a cliff-hanger. Everything seems tidied up nicely. ('Cept for Jack, of course).

Some random thoughts:

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They had to go clear across the galaxy to get a spare battery for the WMD? Seems a bit inefficient.

Now that Anub, the Mother of all badasses is dead (apparently), who is there left to fight? Maybe they'll intro some new bad guys. (Like, Ferengi), :)

Odds are, they'll find Atlantis somewhere in the Bermuda Triangle.

I like William Devane as the new Prez. I was afraid that he might get killed off and Kinsey would go from being a minor irritant (like Harry Mudd), to a major PITA,



I will miss the great warrior, Hammond of Texas. No one else can bellow like he can.

It was interesting to see the real-life USAF Chief of Staff get a walk-on.

I got a big chuckle from the "celestial body" line.

Bob


Posted by: kenerups

Killer Guard Sperm?


Posted by: Kylep

This was an awesome episode!

I LOVE the new pres!

Pres: "Consider your resignation accepted"
VP: "You can't do this!"
Pres: "Oh please, i have enough on you to have you shot."

Although it's weird seeing the oval office in this show, this guy is just cool.


Posted by: bonscott87

The one thing I regret is that this two parter was originally going to be a feature film. While the battle scenes were great, I would have loved to have seen them with a $30-$50 million dollar budget instead of just 1 or 2 million. :)


Posted by: Skippy18

What a great season finale! The plot lines seem to be wrapped up, except what happened to the Asguard or the Tokra?

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
I wonder who the big enemy is going to be next season......



Posted by: Rcrew

Woo Hoo! This was a fabulous episode! I'm so glad to have gotten back into the series.

Forgive my ignorance on many of the background as I've only returned to SG1 this season.

Seems like most of the show's lines have been driven by conflict, and conquest. With the defeat of Anubis, what direction does everyone think the plots will take?


Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by Rcrew
Seems like most of the show's lines have been driven by conflict, and conquest. With the defeat of Anubis, what direction does everyone think the plots will take?
Well, there's the rest of the Goa'uld...I think it's about time they got wiped off the face of the galaxy, especially if this really IS going to be the last season (although they've said that so many times now, I doubt they could even convince themselves).


Posted by: SparkleMotion

I liked it. Part one provided some good opportunities for character development and part two was mostly action. Good balance.

Might I suggest as a possible "new big bad" the evolved Replicators? Some glitch/error could easily be MacGuffin-ed up to explain how the stasis field was switched off.

Then the more human-like (but now REALLY REALLY pissed off) ex-bugs could go on a more science fictiony rampage (instead of more of an ancient gods kick like the series has mostly been so far).

Whatever they do, despite the occasional slow episode, they've been pretty consistantly good for a long time. That's hard to do. Props to 'em for dat! :up:


Posted by: JimSpence

I was glad to see that VP Kinsey got his, or has he?

Now that Anubis is gone, that leave's some of the other system lords to go off and make mischief. And, the earthlings need to learn how to activate that defense system just in case.

What will the plot points be for SG: Atlantis. I assume the first season will be used to find the darn place. With the show still being called Star Gate, one can assume that they will still be using that device.

The next 3.5 months is going to be very very long.

I found it interesting that Germany wasn't mentioned as a country to be notified about the threat.


Posted by: nataylor

quote:
Originally posted by JimSpence
[BI found it interesting that Germany wasn't mentioned as a country to be notified about the threat. [/B]
I thought all the counties listed were nuclear powers (Germany not being in that category).

Anyway, I'm also interested in how this incident will be explained to the general population. You've got the loss of what sounds like an entire carrier battle group, the destruction of power grids and communications, and what must be a ton of debris raining down from orbit. Hopefully they won't just go with the cheesy meteor shower explanation.


Posted by: boywaja

quote:
Originally posted by nataylor
Hopefully they won't just go with the cheesy meteor shower explanation.


Its only the planet venus.


Posted by: Unbeliever

quote:
Originally posted by nataylor
I thought all the counties listed were nuclear powers (Germany not being in that category).



They were notified for the same reasons that they were notified in "Disclosure"

They're all the other permanent members of the UN Security Council.

--Carlos V.


Posted by: bicker

Plus the country the show is filmed in (not a member of the UN Security Council.)


Posted by: lordargent

quote:
Originally posted by JimSpence
Now that Anubis is gone.[/B]


I don't think we can be sure of that. Let's not forget that he's partially ascended. Perhaps he is still alive somewhere, pissed off, with no army.

quote:
BAAL: What do you offer as support for your claim for position as System Lord?

OSIRIS: Nothing. I am here to represent the vote of another.

YU: Whom do you serve?

OSIRIS: Anubis.

OLOKUN: What!

BAAL: You lie!

YU: He is dead!

OSIRIS: That was what you assumed after you attempted to murder him. Was it not enough that he was banished from the System Lords?



Posted by: JimSpence

quote:
Originally posted by lordargent
I don't think we can be sure of that. Let's not forget that he's partially ascended. Perhaps he is still alive somewhere, pissed off, with no army.

I thought of that when I posted, but decided to let it ride. In the world of SciFi nothing is ever absolute. :)


Posted by: lachacg

What a great two-parter. It really makes up for the lame season (well, almost). I loved:



Some stupidity:



Posted by: zync

quote:
Originally posted by lachacg
Some stupidity:

This was explained in part by the macho-President routine. It was made pretty clear that they were going to stand ground. Now, if there really was a threat of this magnitude it could be argued that the president would not have a choice and be forcefully moved to a safer location. However, as details regarding the president's security detail is not public knowledge we would just be speculating on how truely "stupid" this point is.
quote:


Agreed.
quote:


Actually we've seen instant-on gate activation before. Not sure what differentiates an instant-on sequence from a regular sequence however (other than the speed). It is lucky/dumb that the attack came when it did since:
A) The power-outage is not a requirement for the attack since
B) An incoming wormhole can be established before the outbound dialing is complete and
C) The iris wasn't closed until the power went out and people freaked.

It's also kinda dumb that Anubis didn't just start by wiping out major cities - a carrier group? Come on....


Posted by: Dad

quote:
Originally posted by Skippy18
What a great season finale! The plot lines seem to be wrapped up, except what happened to the Asgard or the Tokra?


The Tokra split a few weeks ago but what about the Asgard and the protected planet treaty? The Asgard have been no where for long time.

I liked Jack's transformation, the random things he collects and the language changes.


Posted by: VinceA

I don't think Anubis cares about treaties signed by the other System Lords and I don't think we (Earth) called the Asgard in on this one for some unknown reason. Maybe the Kinsey didn't want us to call them since they (the Asgard) seem to hate him.


Posted by: WinBear

In the first half, it was said they were unable to contact Thor. They knew they would need the Asgard to reverse the braindump that O'Neil got from the Ancient library device.


Posted by: AaronD

Regarding the Asgard, I think SG-1 has been unable to contact them for some time. As soon as they find out Earth has gotten a hold of more Ancient technology (with more on the way), I bet that'll change.

Now that Earth has defeated Anubis' entire fleet, how much do you want to bet the Tok'ra are going to want to be best friends again?

As for a new enemy (now that the Gua'uld and Replicators aren't a huge threat anymore), does anyone have any ideas? Has there been any hints of a potential new, powerful enemy lately?


Posted by: SparkleMotion

quote:
Originally posted by zync
Actually we've seen instant-on gate activation before.
Apophis did it in the pilot, Cassandra did it in "1969" and Thor did it at least once as well.

Plus a couple of other times I'm forgetting, I'm sure. :)

quote:
Originally posted by AaronD
As for a new enemy (now that the Gua'uld and Replicators aren't a huge threat anymore), does anyone have any ideas? Has there been any hints of a potential new, powerful enemy lately?
The Reps don't HAVE to be finished and could be back.

It might be cool to finally meet the Furlings and have them turn out to be bad guys nowadays. You'll remember they were one of the original 4 races (Ancients, Asgaard, Furlings, and the Nox).


Posted by: c3po33

quote:
Originally posted by AaronD
As for a new enemy (now that the Gua'uld and Replicators aren't a huge threat anymore), does anyone have any ideas? Has there been any hints of a potential new, powerful enemy lately?


THE WRAITH

to read more go to:

http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/universe.shtml


Posted by: HTH

If Jack is stuck in stasis for awhile, I hope they got a good wax sculpturist. Staying perfectly still and matching the position perfectly from the previous week would be very difficult.

Then again, maybe they'll use stock footage of him at various angles, color-keyed into the video.


Posted by: bonscott87

quote:
Originally posted by zync


It's also kinda dumb that Anubis didn't just start by wiping out major cities - a carrier group? Come on....


Actually that would be Gu'ald style. Why destroy your new and future slaves? Take out the military threat, then aquire new hosts. Plus Anubis was "fealing" out Earth to see if they had the weapons of the Ancients or not (he said as much).

As for instant gate activation, the Nox have also done it as well. Wave of the hand, instant wormhole.


Posted by: ihatecable

quote:
Originally posted by SparkleMotion
Apophis did it in the pilot, Cassandra did it in "1969" and Thor did it at least once as well.

Plus a couple of other times I'm forgetting, I'm sure. :)

Actually the insta wormhole trick are some occasional inconsistencies that slip in from the writers from time to time. Case in point even the ascended beings had to dial out! You mean to tell me that theses guys who exist on another plane of existence who can come and go when they want, be visible or invisible when they want have to dial out but Cassandra can use her garage door opener strapped to her arm can? Come on give me a break! LOL

I think a bigger inconsistency was the manual closing of the iris, for a place without juice they still seemed to close it pretty quickly by some by pressing a keypad on a wall. They should have had a couple of guys run over to with some sort of hand winch and turn something or other to make the iris close manually.


Posted by: SparkleMotion

quote:
Originally posted by bonscott87
As for instant gate activation, the Nox have also done it as well. Wave of the hand, instant wormhole.
As I mentioned above. :) Also the Tollan can do it (as well as build their own funky gates).


Posted by: HTH

quote:
Originally posted by ihatecable
I think a bigger inconsistency was the manual closing of the iris, for a place without juice they still seemed to close it pretty quickly by some by pressing a keypad on a wall. They should have had a couple of guys run over to with some sort of hand winch and turn something or other to make the iris close manually.
No, more that it should have closed automatically whenever there's a loss of power as a failsafe system.

If it wasn't closed, what Anubis sent through couldn't have come through intact before the event horizon *fwoosh* had stabilized. (Though instant-on wormholes seem to have instantly stable event horizons as well.)


Posted by: Jonathan_S

quote:
No, more that it should have closed automatically whenever there's a loss of power as a failsafe system.
I don't think I'd call that fail safe. What if the power failed while an SG team was coming home? Since the wormhole relies on the outgoing stargate to have power, not the incoming one, the SG team wouldn't know anything was wrong, they would just die failing to rematerialize on the iris.

Given the number of offworld activations which are done by SG teams verses the number that are attacks on the SGC, having the iris stay in its current position with a manual override is the best option.

And there are a number of ways to rig the iris for emergency opening / closing without power. Backup batteries, an emergency compressed air reserve which could force it closed, etc.


Posted by: Mike20878

quote:
Originally posted by JimSpence
What will the plot points be for SG: Atlantis. I assume the first season will be used to find the darn place. With the show still being called Star Gate, one can assume that they will still be using that device.


Well, the teaser ads do show a Stargate, so I think we can assume they will be using it.


Posted by: Mike20878

quote:
Originally posted by Jonathan_S
I don't think I'd call that fail safe. What if the power failed while an SG team was coming home? Since the wormhole relies on the outgoing stargate to have power, not the incoming one, the SG team wouldn't know anything was wrong, they would just die failing to rematerialize on the iris.

Given the number of offworld activations which are done by SG teams verses the number that are attacks on the SGC, having the iris stay in its current position with a manual override is the best option.

And there are a number of ways to rig the iris for emergency opening / closing without power. Backup batteries, an emergency compressed air reserve which could force it closed, etc.


One thing I've always wondered, is how folks seem to know to wait to come through once the iris has been opened. For instance, the episode when the Tin Man guy signaled through the gate there was a bit of a delay before deciding to let him through.


Posted by: mercurial

quote:
Originally posted by Mike20878
One thing I've always wondered, is how folks seem to know to wait to come through once the iris has been opened. For instance, the episode when the Tin Man guy signaled through the gate there was a bit of a delay before deciding to let him through.


<Woody from Toy Story>
It's... A.... Show....
</Woody>

:D

Actually, that really screws 'em up a bit since they built in that fact that it is a "1-way" wormhole. Makes you wonder. What if you transmitter is screwed up and your iris code didn't get through but you have no clue?


Posted by: ihatecable

quote:
Originally posted by HTH
No, more that it should have closed automatically whenever there's a loss of power as a failsafe system.
You have a point assuming that they had an UPS for the iris or even better a backup generator for the facility. Since they still had lights they had some juice down there. Back at the White House I don’t remember if they told the President how they were taking out the power grids.

But back to the ascended beings with the lack of insta wormhole thing, I was thinking since they pop in and out of our dimension like we move from room to room, why would they even need to go into a gate?


Posted by: HTH

Radio transmissions go both ways. It is matter that cannot go two ways. An "iris is open" signal could be sent back to a GDO.


Posted by: mercurial

quote:
Originally posted by HTH
Radio transmissions go both ways. It is matter that cannot go two ways. An "iris is open" signal could be sent back to a GDO.


Oh that's right.. I forgot about telemetry coming back. Hmmm... Nice little loophole they put in for themselves.


Posted by: sa-gamer

quote:


It was interesting to see the real-life USAF Chief of Staff get a walk-on.



What? When did this happen? I missed something - dang it ....


Posted by: sa-gamer

quote:
Originally posted by Skippy18
What a great season finale! The plot lines seem to be wrapped up, except what happened to the Asguard or the Tokra?

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
I wonder who the big enemy is going to be next season......


Don't forget we don't know what the 'freed' Jaffa are going to do or if any of the Tolen are left.

Does anyone else want to see more of the travels of the Prometheis?


Posted by: WinBear

Really, wouldn't "Stargate: Prometheus" have been a cool concept for a series? Put a spare gate in a cargo bay like some of the Goa'uld have done and you have a really long range transporter. If you need parts, gate home and bring 'em back. If you need to evacuate, just gate out and set a self-destruct. I think it could be interesting to investigate all the planets that "should" have a gate according the Abydos cartouche or the extra address from O'Neil's first braindump.


Posted by: jlb.x

quote:
Originally posted by sa-gamer
What? When did this happen? I missed something - dang it ....


He was the Air Force general (shortish white guy) doing all the talking, other than the president and the chairman of the joint chiefs, in the Oval Office. He actually had quite a few lines, and the president addressed him as "John" when he ordered the Prometheus launched. He didn't act all that poorly, though his delivery was somewhat wooden...

So I counted about 20 X-302s flying toward the "camera" during the battle sequence. When did the U.S. Air Force build that many fighters and train pilots to fly 'em? And, who the hell paid for all that? The biggest problem I have with SG-1 (yep, it's not travelling through wormholes created by a giant metal circle to other worlds that are always covered in trees) is that their United States seems to have an endless TOP TOP TOP secret budget with only one senator and the president to oversee it. Oh right, and the NID. :rolleyes:

Otherwise, I liked the three-parter. :D


Posted by: Jonathan_S

quote:
Put a spare gate in a cargo bay like some of the Goa'uld have done and you have a really long range transporter.
I wonder if the SGC personnel know how to determine what the origin symbol should be for a relocated gate. In one case Danial said something like "I realized that we were close enough to Earth to use it as the origin" when he gated off of a mother-ship.

Now the T'okra have relocated gates which the SG teams have then used, but if you stuck a gate on Prometheus, would they be able to figure out how to dial out if they weren't near earth?

Presumably Earth couldn't dial in to them unless they knew pretty accurately where the ship was, and that it wasn't currently in hyperspace.

[Although if you want to get really geeky about it the whole notion of origin code got broken somewhat, since not all origin symbols are on all DHDs, which should make it impossible to dial out of a relocated gate]


Posted by: WinBear

The other thing I'm wondering is if they are going to follow through on the gate symbols having a phonetic value. Instead of calling the planets PF6A9G, we start calling it chi-ka-go-il-a-noy


Posted by: mercurial

quote:
Originally posted by WinBear
The other thing I'm wondering is if they are going to follow through on the gate symbols having a phonetic value. Instead of calling the planets PF6A9G, we start calling it chi-ka-go-il-a-noy


The windy planet?


Posted by: tomr

quote:
Originally posted by HTH
Radio transmissions go both ways. It is matter that cannot go two ways. An "iris is open" signal could be sent back to a GDO.


IIRC in the premier when they took the female airman Aphophis went through the gate both ways. Since there was no DHD he could not have re-dialed. That was the biggest flaw in the premier. It was never "explained" how they accomplished the 2-way travel.


Posted by: Mike20878

quote:
Originally posted by mercurial
The windy planet?


LOL. I totally missed that.


Posted by: bonscott87

quote:
Originally posted by jlb.x

So I counted about 20 X-302s flying toward the "camera" during the battle sequence. When did the U.S. Air Force build that many fighters and train pilots to fly 'em? And, who the hell paid for all that? The biggest problem I have with SG-1 (yep, it's not travelling through wormholes created by a giant metal circle to other worlds that are always covered in trees) is that their United States seems to have an endless TOP TOP TOP secret budget with only one senator and the president to oversee it. Oh right, and the NID. :rolleyes:



Well, in the episode a while back when Jack was a kid (Loki cloned him and Thor came down to lay some smack), there was a big training session on how to fly those things, probably a couple dozen pilots.

As for the money to build that stuff, you don't think the government pays $500 for a hammer and $2000 for a toilet seat for nothing do you? :D
And actually I'm not kidding. We all should remember complaints about these actual costs in real life (I remember it well in the 80s). The reason is to pay for all these top secrect things (and no, I don' t have my tin hat on right now).


Posted by: kdmorse

IIRC in the premier when they took the female airman Aphophis went through the gate both ways. Since there was no DHD he could not have re-dialed. That was the biggest flaw in the premier. It was never "explained" how they accomplished the 2-way travel.

At one point between him coming and going, the gate behind him is inactive. Thus, somehow he *did* dial back out. I think the official line is that he had a hand device on him.

So I counted about 20 X-302s flying toward the "camera" during the battle sequence. When did the U.S. Air Force build that many fighters and train pilots to fly 'em?

They've been building them up over the season, with occasional references. First it was to "The x-302". Then "our few X-302s", Then there was a reference to "All our X-302s are currently.. something". Implying more and more each time. They made it pretty clear they've wanted a whole fleet of em for some time now.

-Ken


Posted by: HTH

Still, that's a lot of naquadria flying around. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near one of those when it gets shot down, let alone a close formation of them.


Posted by: SparkleMotion

quote:
Originally posted by tomr
IIRC in the premier when they took the female airman Aphophis went through the gate both ways. Since there was no DHD he could not have re-dialed. That was the biggest flaw in the premier. It was never "explained" how they accomplished the 2-way travel.
Nope. Didn't happen that way.

The wormhole was closed off-camera. There was a whoosh sound and a light change.

The odd part was, how did Apophis establish a NEW wormhole to escape with without a DHD or knowledge of the Earth-based dialing computer?


Posted by: WinBear

The Goa'uld have dialed out several times with no obvious means of doing so. I seem to recall Hathor doing that when she escaped the first time. The way she dialed out didn't get logged into the computer so they couldn't trace her either.


Posted by: tomr

quote:
Originally posted by SparkleMotion
Nope. Didn't happen that way.

The wormhole was closed off-camera. There was a whoosh sound and a light change.

The odd part was, how did Apophis establish a NEW wormhole to escape with without a DHD or knowledge of the Earth-based dialing computer?


BUT, weren't they all on the platform? If they established a new worm-hole it would have obliterated them. I don't have a copy of the pilot so I'll just have to wait till its back on or rent it.


Posted by: Jonathan_S

quote:
When did the U.S. Air Force build that many fighters and train pilots to fly 'em? And, who the hell paid for all that?
Also in the epsiode 'Disclosure', didn't the U.S. disclose the existence of the X-302? So Russia, the United Kingdom, China, and France also know about it, and might have the plans (or at least the ability to buy finished vehicles). 20 or so X-302s from 5 pretty major economic powers isn't much of a stretch. Even in secret.


Posted by: SparkleMotion

quote:
Originally posted by tomr
BUT, weren't they all on the platform? If they established a new worm-hole it would have obliterated them. I don't have a copy of the pilot so I'll just have to wait till its back on or rent it.
Although he never did it again, it is assumed (by Gaters who assume such things ;) ) that Apophis posessed a device which did exactly what the Nox are capable of doing. That would include establishing a stable wormhole without needing to dial up and bypassing the "whoosh" backwash on the dialing end.

The Nox have shown us that such a thing is not inconsistent with Stargate SG-1 lore, whether by some physical ability or through some sort of technological advantage.

Sometime between the pilot and his next appearance Apophis lost this ability. Perhaps he left the device in a cab and never got it back or something. ;)

Gaters who care (I am a fan, but not a Gater) insist the above is all accurate (except the cab...he'd only take a limo, of course), but since none of it is explicitly on camera, it remains mostly logical conjecture.

i.e., Take it or leave it. :)


Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

My theory is they changed the show after the pilot, to make it work differently...


Posted by: bonscott87

Yea, in the pilot they hadn't gotten all the "lore" down yet. I do have the pilot on DVD and if I remember correctly, Apophis pushes a button on a hand device like object and the wormhole was created, ala the Nox (and I think the Asgard have done it as well). Very possible that Apophis stole such a device.

Either way I think it was just something that they changed when it became a series and they needed to come up with Gate "physics". I will say they are pretty true to it over the years, unlike other Scifi shows.


Posted by: HTH

Apophis had a *69 device? Man, that would be so useful!


Posted by: bonscott87

Ok, just watched the first scene of the pilot on DVD.

Snakeheads and Apophis gate in.
Fight scene.
Cut to troops running down hallways, siren blaring, mountain being shut down.
Backup troops and Hammond walk into the gateroom with the gate already active.

So it never shows how he activated it. Assume a hand device I guess.


Posted by: Airlie

He could have simply done manual dailing and brought a generator for power.


Posted by: TreborPugly

Hey, on that GateWorld web site I see that Atlantis will introduce universal translators. That's been one my pet peeves about SG1. They have this language expert and half the shows deal with problems translating things. But everywhere they go, the humans speak english! I could see some common language, if they humans all came from earth, like ancient egyptian or greek, but english? We'd have trouble communicating with someone speaking "english" from six or seven hundred years ago!


Posted by: mercurial

The language issue was always a bit annoying to me to but I just lumped it under "willing suspension of disbelief" and moved on. In a way, their addressing it now makes it stand out even worse than continuing to ignore it in my book.


Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

I always figured that Daniel Jackson, being an Egyptologist, can speak any language ever spoken by humans, and thus was a living universal translator. As long as he was there for the first contact, his perfect knowledge of all language would cause everybody to understand each other ever after. (When Daniel ascended, Jonas Quinn served the same function.)

But since Daniel will be with SG-1, the Atlantis crew will need another way of learning languages.

And I think that's about as logical an explanation as we're likely to get! :D


Posted by: SparkleMotion

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
My theory is they changed the show after the pilot, to make it work differently...
If you're talking about having changed the wormhole theory from two-way travel (which would accomodate Apophis) to one-way travel, French Stewart's character (was it Kawalsky?) in the original movie made it clear that the gate is one-way each way only.

*edit*

In fact, if it had been two-way in the film, they wouldn't have been ragging all over Jackson for getting them trapped there when he insisted he could easily get them home (he assumed he'd find dialing symbols readily on Abydos).


Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by SparkleMotion
If you're talking about having changed the wormhole theory from two-way travel (which would accomodate Apophis) to one-way travel, French Stewart's character (was it Kawalsky?) in the original movie made it clear that the gate is one-way each way only.
I meant being able to use the Stargate without a DHD or a computer interface, which Apophis could in the pilot, but which the Goa'uld thereafter lost the ability to do.


Posted by: lordargent

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
I meant being able to use the Stargate without a DHD or a computer interface, which Apophis could in the pilot, but which the Goa'uld thereafter lost the ability to do.


Apophis could, but that doesn't mean the other Goa'uld could, considering the system lords are enemies. Maybe Apophis knew something and didn't share.

(even though he seems to have forgotten as well)


Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by lordargent
Apophis could, but that doesn't mean the other Goa'uld could, considering the system lords are enemies. Maybe Apophis knew something and didn't share.

(even though he seems to have forgotten as well)
Yes, but that's the kind of over-rationalizing I was mocking to begin with. So I guess we've come full circle, which means it's time for:

My theory is they changed the show after the pilot, to make it work differently...

:D


Posted by: tomr

quote:
Originally posted by lordargent
Apophis could, but that doesn't mean the other Goa'uld could, considering the system lords are enemies. Maybe Apophis knew something and didn't share.

(even though he seems to have forgotten as well)


Remember this was a pilot (on Showtime) and I'm sure the writers didn't think that far in advance. Let's just suffice to say they screwed up. :(


Posted by: bobjohnson

quote:
Originally posted by tomr
Remember this was a pilot (on Showtime) and I'm sure the writers didn't think that far in advance. Let's just suffice to say they screwed up. :(

You sure it started on Showtime? I know it was at one time on Showtime, but I could have sworn that was just for a season or two in the middle of the series, and wasn't always on sho?


Posted by: VinceA

SG-1 started on Showtime. I remember adding Showtime to my list of cable channels just to be sure to catch the series.


Posted by: tomr

quote:
Originally posted by bobjohnson
You sure it started on Showtime? I know it was at one time on Showtime, but I could have sworn that was just for a season or two in the middle of the series, and wasn't always on sho?


Yep, the pilot also showed full frontal nudity on Daniel's wife when she got infected with the snake. Does the DVD version show this or the Sci-Fi edited version?


Posted by: JEbbesen

I can't remember but I think the nudity may have been added after the movie aired on Cable and was put into the video version. It sure looked out of place, not that I complained.

former video store owner

I never saw the DVD, just the VHS.


Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by JEbbesen
I can't remember but I think the nudity may have been added after the movie aired on Cable and was put into the video version. It sure looked out of place, not that I complained.

former video store owner

I never saw the DVD, just the VHS.
No, it was in the original broadcast. I remember being quite startled.

When the series itself started up, there was a rebroadcast syndication deal, so they toned down the raunchy stuff. I believe the edited version of the pilot was done for syndication.


Posted by: JEbbesen

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
No, it was in the original broadcast. I remember being quite startled.

When the series itself started up, there was a rebroadcast syndication deal, so they toned down the raunchy stuff. I believe the edited version of the pilot was done for syndication.


OK, I'm with you now. I was startled as well, it was like they had a finished movie and then decided to toss in some gratuitous nudity for the heck of it. Worked for me, though it would have been rated a tad lower and appropriate for younger renters without the nudity.

One nice thing about the movie and owning a video store was that I got some nice Stargate freebies. I still wear my heavy duty black stargate sweatshirt.

I didn't watch the show much in the early years but after I got my directivo I at one time had almost every show saved. I thought I got them all but when I watched this years show where they went back and reviewed prior acts I realized I had missed a couple.


Posted by: bonscott87

Yep, it was Showtime exclusive for the first 5 seasons. Went to Sci Fi Channel in Season 6 (which was supposed to be the last season actually).

The DVD of the pilot does have the nude scene if I remember correctly. I think you guys are going to make me watch the whole thing again! ;)


Posted by: Jonathan_S

quote:
The DVD of the pilot does have the nude scene if I remember correctly.
It does. Surprised me, since I'd been watching the series through the broadcast syndicated episodes, which obviously didn't have that. :)


Posted by: HTH

I don't think it was Sha're that was nude. It was an female member of the Air Force that Apophis captured that appeared nude, and the symbiote Amonet refused to take her as a host. Sha're was also stripped, but we didn't get the full frontal of her.


Posted by: wedgecon

quote:
Originally posted by HTH
I don't think it was Sha're that was nude. It was an female member of the Air Force that Apophis captured that appeared nude, and the symbiote Amonet refused to take her as a host. Sha're was also stripped, but we didn't get the full frontal of her.


I just watched it and it was Sha're that was nude, I also thought it was the Air force Sargent and kept repeating her scene thinking I had missed it, a few minutes later Shar'Re comes in and presto full frontal nudity. What is really funny is how quickly her gown came off :)


Posted by: SparkleMotion

quote:
Originally posted by bonscott87
Yep, it was Showtime exclusive for the first 5 seasons.
Well, "exclusive" only applies to first-run. Don't forget that it's always been in wide-release syndication, only one year lagged behind the first-run episodes! :)


Posted by: bonscott87

Syndication doesn't count when you are talking about where the show first aired. ;)


Posted by: stark

Little piece of trivia: Vaitiare Bandera who played Sha're lived with Michael Shanks (Daniel Jackson) and they have a daughter together.

Michael Shanks is now married to Lexa Doig who plays Andromeda/Rommie on Andromeda.


Posted by: SparkleMotion

quote:
Originally posted by bonscott87
Syndication doesn't count when you are talking about where the show first aired. ;)
Unless it's a show like Star Trek: The Next Generation, Babylon 5, or Andromeda (for example), which were first-run syndicated shows. :D


Posted by: danielobvt

After watching this episode (and reading the comments) I still must say that I am dying to know how they explain away a Carrier Battle Group getting wiped out. Between the crew of the carrier, the carrier airwing staff, the 6-7 escorts and support craft that are involved, we are talking aroung 7000 navy personnel dead. 1/12th of our Aircraft carriers (and about the same number of naval aircraft), 2% of the overall Navy gone. In a world where the navy hasn't lost a ship in decades, where the greatest loss of life experienced by this service has been under 100 people for decades.
Its beyond my understanding how they are going to cover this up. Forget the power grid going down, the satellites being wiped out (though that would just add to it) and the strange lights in the sky. That one item is basically inexplicable without revieling the situation, combined with the others, its pretty near impossible to explain.

Though I really winced when they put the female Phd in charge. I swear they put the "manifest destiny" and empirialism comments (something to that effect) in there just to elicit that reaction from me.

That said, the last episode kicked ass. I had a hell of a lot of fun watching it. Particularily after a relatively blah season.


Posted by: HTH

Meteor strikes. And a good thing too that the carriers were hit else the resulting tsunami would have devastated the coastlines.

Makes it a natural disaster and the crew be heroes.


Posted by: Jonathan_S

quote:
Its beyond my understanding how they are going to cover this up
Terrorists / Al Queda / North Korea smuggled a nuke onboard one of the ships? It's about the only thing big enough for most people to believe.

Or else the show will pull some massive ret-con and claim that only the communications and electronics were destroyed, so nobody, or at least very few crewmen died.


Posted by: SparkleMotion

Or, heaven forbid! Come clean with the public.

It's time. They've been leaning in this general direction since the 2010 episode (and, from the looks of things there, the public handled the news of the whole thing--including hostile alien lifeforms--pretty well).

The president is ready to do it. His hand has been tipped. No amount of dissembly will adequately cover their collective asses.

It's TIME to TELL.


Posted by: ihatecable

quote:
Originally posted by Jonathan_S
Terrorists / Al Queda / North Korea smuggled a nuke onboard one of the ships? It's about the only thing big enough for most people to believe.

Or else the show will pull some massive ret-con and claim that only the communications and electronics were destroyed, so nobody, or at least very few crewmen died.
I know politicians aren’t that bright but somehow I cant see these guys in the oval office thinking "Gee how are we going to cover up the alien attack we don’t want to panic the public.... I got an idea, lets tell them half a dozen ships (including an aircraft carrier) got whacked by terrorist”. Gee that would make our citizens sleep better at night,lol. I'll go with the meteor shower story.


Posted by: K-Line

I thought it was a great episode, well worth the wait

I wish they had lengthened it out a bit though, maybe made it into a three parter with the third being the beggingin of the new season.

I think i read somewhere that Atlantis will be a Sliders tyle thing, they use the game to get to another galaxy and then dont have the power to get home? *shrugs*

I doubt anubis will be gone.. remember how many time they brough aphophis back?


Posted by: bonscott87

I have yet to see any spoilers for next season that address the "how are they going to explain this" thing. I mean just about every nation should have seen those ships in space. If NASA could, then so would everyone else. Plus the armada that went down to Antartica. Certainly those would have been detected. The Prez was also ready to address the nation and tell them what was happening until the communication grid went down.

I would think that a good way to keep the series fresh would be to reveal the existance of the Startgate program. They already have to the other nuclear powers. All those guys in the oval office saw Anubis. Plus the carrier battle group. I don't see how they can't reveal it, at least in some fashion. It opens up a lot of plot points to keep the series going should they push it past Season 8. Stargate keeps getting the highest ratings on SciFi channel, I can't see them not trying to extend the life some more.


Posted by: Timbeau

I think they must have a ready path to satisfy the carrier group loss problem. It was not integral to the script for the carrier group to be lost so the inclusion of that must be for future script lines. Maybe? :D


Posted by: SparkleMotion

Well, it sort of was integral to show that the stakes were real and the possibility of casualties in our own backyard were just as real.

Did it advance the story? Not per se. But it did cement the dire reality of the situation that Hammond and his crew were about equally at risk! :)


Posted by: HTH

quote:
Originally posted by K-Line
I think i read somewhere that Atlantis will be a Sliders tyle thing, they use the gate to get to another galaxy and then dont have the power to get home? *shrugs*
Sounds similar to Stargate: Infinity.

Which, incidentally, is where they decided that the Ancients look like this:
http://www.war-of-the-worlds.org/tivo/draga.jpg


Posted by: bentleyml

quote:
Originally posted by K-Line
I think i read somewhere that Atlantis will be a Sliders tyle thing, they use the game to get to another galaxy and then dont have the power to get home? *shrugs*


From what I have read over on http://www.gateworld.net (which I haven't been able to get to today) is slightly different. I'll put it in spoilers tags.

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Near where Jack found the Ancient base they will find a Stargate to another Galaxy, the Pegasus Galaxy. Here they will discover Atlantis. When they first discover it it will be partially submerged and protected by a force field. On the first planet they go to from there they will run into their new enemies, the Wraith, attacking the locals. On the Stargate at Atlantis they will have a force field instead of a Iris. Eventually they will get Atlantis raised from it's partiall sunken state and this will be Earth's remote base in the Pegasus Galaxy.

All in all sounds cool too me.



Posted by: newsposter

quote:
Originally posted by Kylep
This was an awesome episode!

I LOVE the new pres!

Pres: "Consider your resignation accepted"
VP: "You can't do this!"
Pres: "Oh please, i have enough on you to have you shot."

Although it's weird seeing the oval office in this show, this guy is just cool.


just got around to finishing the season (tivo crash) and loved that he got fired!!!!

Hey what ever happened to good ole Pete, Sam's boyfriend? I hope there are more guest appearances.




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