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Posted by: urungus

My Series2 Tivo (120GB+160GB) is stuck at the initial "Welcome. Powering up..." screen. It had been functioning flawlessly until there was a brief power outage, when power was restored the problem appeared.

What to do?

Posted by: Robert S

Try putting the original drive back in.

Posted by: weaknees

Sounds like the power outaged hosed at least one drive. Try Robert S' suggestion, and consider a UPS if you have power problems - even if you don't, they're a great idea for any computer including a TiVo.

Michael

Posted by: joker81

Definitly a harddrive problem. I've fixed about 3 tivos with that problem by reimaging the drives.

Posted by: grins

Is restoring the backup of the original drive "reimaging"? Do I need to do some kind of formatting of the now suspect drive, or just mfsrestore?

Thanks, y'all!

Posted by: Robert S

If you still have the original drive, put it back in and very that the problem is with the drive and not the TiVo.

If it is the drives, start by running PowerMax (or equivalent) to see if you can find a hardware problem with the drive.

If you reimage from the backup you'll lose all your recordings. It may be possible to salvage the recordings from an unbootable drive, so if you care about your recordings, reimaging is to be avoided.

Posted by: grins

Robert, thanks so much for your help. especially from so far away! Shouldn't you be raising a pint about now? ;)

thanks again

edited to add

OH! is it still a no-no to mount a tivo drive under windows 2000?

t

Posted by: urungus

Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. Grins is alluding to an important point: My PC runs WinXP, if I mount my suspect Tivo drive to run PowerMax, doesn't WinXP mess up the drive?

Posted by: Robert S

PowerMax runs from a DR-DOS boot floppy. Windows 2000 and XP will both over-write the boot block, so you don't want to put your A drives in with the Windows drive still attached.

Posted by: chicagomike

I have three units that are stuck at the power up screen as well. No one said how to fix the problem, would apprecioate some help...

I did 6 mods to add 6 new hd's. Three worked fine, the other three can not get past the power up screens...

I am new and need pretty decent directions to make these work again...

Posted by: joker81

quote:
Originally posted by chicagomike
I have three units that are stuck at the power up screen as well. No one said how to fix the problem, would apprecioate some help...

I did 6 mods to add 6 new hd's. Three worked fine, the other three can not get past the power up screens...

I am new and need pretty decent directions to make these work again...

If you don't have backup images it might be hard. You need to find the msomehow.

If all else fails You could sell them on ebay to me :).

Posted by: grins

Uh-Oh.

Powermax fails booting if the TiVo disk is on the bus. If just the windows disk is there, powermax boots fine, but if I attach the TiVo disk, either as master or slave, I got the 'booting dr dos' then it hangs before "loading hi-mem".

Sounds like my only hope is an mfsrestore?

t

Posted by: Robert S

Can you boot the MFS Tools 2.0 disk and run mfsinfo on the drive?

If DR-DOS won't boot, my guess is it's going to take more than mfsrestore to fix this drive.

Posted by: grins

I'll try that now, Robert. Thanks!

t

Posted by: grins

Doh!

mfstools hangs just after checking the ide buses. PIIX4 sees ide0 and ide1, then goes no further.

Maxblast CD does the same thing as the powermax floppy, starting caldera DR-DOS, then hangs.

These are all unplug the computer hangs, rather than ctrl-alt-del hangs.

Is it time to find the receipt and start a warranty return?

Thanks so much for your assistance with this, Robert, and everyone else!

t

Posted by: Robert S

Yes, no-one's going to argue about a drive that does that. It's clearly dead.

Posted by: chicagomike

joker81. I have all the information I need to write back to my Tivo hard drives, that is not a problem. So what is your recommendation to try fixing these 3 units..?/** :( If I need to delete reformat the tivo hd's I will need directions to do that, I have a 8gb hd with all the images I need and have the cd with the linux boot disc but do not know what to do next to get the units to power up properly.

Posted by: joker81

quote:
Originally posted by chicagomike
joker81. I have all the information I need to write back to my Tivo hard drives, that is not a problem. So what is your recommendation to try fixing these 3 units..?/** :( If I need to delete reformat the tivo hd's I will need directions to do that, I have a 8gb hd with all the images I need and have the cd with the linux boot disc but do not know what to do next to get the units to power up properly.

Do the units power up at all? with the powering up screen or are they blank?

If it does then do a mfsrestore on the three drives with the correct images. But make sure you check the drives using Maxtors/Western Digital/Seagate disk checking utility. To make sure they work. THey may be locked though.

Get the tivo boot disk and follow hinsdale how to.

If they dont power up at all i don't know what to do then.

Posted by: chicagomike

quote:
Originally posted by joker81
Do the units power up at all? with the powering up screen or are they blank?

If it does then do a mfsrestore on the three drives with the correct images. But make sure you check the drives using Maxtors/Western Digital/Seagate disk checking utility. To make sure they work. THey may be locked though.

Get the tivo boot disk and follow hinsdale how to.

If they dont power up at all i don't know what to do then.

Joker, yep they power up, 2 get stuck at the powering up menu that is on my tv when you first plug the tivo in and the other one gets past the first powering on screen and sticks at powering on one more moment screen.

So what do you think I should do exactly? I am very knew at this.

Posted by: chicagomike

Ohh, all three hd's are maxtor brand and I do have a maxtor disc... Also, when I transfered the images from the 8gb hd and used the linux cd, i got no error messages and assumed all the commands via typed directions I got worked fine. I followed the same directions for three other units and they powered up and work fine, these three somehow did not work..

Posted by: joker81

what are the sizes of the drives and what are your Tivos that you are trying to fix?

Your harddrives have to be bigger or the same size as the backup images(nt the size of the image what it was pulled off of).

Also if you are restoring to the same drive as you backuped use

mfsrestor -zpi /tivoimage /restoringdrive

don't use -s 127

at least thats what it says in the hinsdale

Posted by: Robert S

You just get an error message if any of those things happen. MFS Tools 2.0 can figure out the byte-order, so the -b switch shouldn't be a factor.

Restoring a good backup is pretty painless, so this is either something stupid, like a jumper problem, or something serious, like a hardware fault.

Posted by: chicagomike

quote:
Originally posted by joker81
what are the sizes of the drives and what are your Tivos that you are trying to fix?

Your harddrives have to be bigger or the same size as the backup images(nt the size of the image what it was pulled off of).

Also if you are restoring to the same drive as you backuped use

mfsrestor -zpi /tivoimage /restoringdrive

don't use -s 127

at least thats what it says in the hinsdale

2 units are 40 gb hd. the other is a 120 gb unit.
all three are maxtor brand units.

Posted by: chicagomike

quote:
Originally posted by joker81
what are the sizes of the drives and what are your Tivos that you are trying to fix?

Your harddrives have to be bigger or the same size as the backup images(nt the size of the image what it was pulled off of).

Also if you are restoring to the same drive as you backuped use

mfsrestor -zpi /tivoimage /restoringdrive

don't use -s 127

at least thats what it says in the hinsdale

And they are philips dsr7000 units.