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Posted by: jamesrob
I just received a snailmail brochure for a Satellite Service named as above. They claim they have more than 30 channels of 24 hr HD-TV, free installation, and that they charge only $9.50 per box per month!
Just who is this? I've only heard of DirecTV and Dish, and I'm a neophyte. I'm vaguely aware of Dish's battles with Warner Cable, and of the failed attempt of the two large satellite providers to merge a year ago, but I'd be grateful for responses that don't assume I know ANYTHING :-)
Posted by: turls
Check the HDTV Programming section of AVS Forum.
Of course, VOOM has a web site.
By the way, there is also analog big dish, 4DTV big dish, MPEG2/FTA, Bell ExpressVu, StarChoice, Primestar (dead), and Alphastar (dead).
Lots of satellite services out there, past and present.
Google is your friend.
Posted by: maharg18
Keep in mind that the $9.50/month per box is just rental for the box.. You still have to pay the programming fees like you would for cable, Directv, Dish, etc.
While they do have tons of HDTV programming, they lack lots of regular basic channels that many people don't want to do without. And of course if you want your local channels, you'll have to make do with an antenna.
Posted by: Bigg
They have almost no regular channels and no DVR. I'm too tires to post the rest of the reasons why i think they wil fail.
Posted by: btwyx
quote:
Originally posted by Bigg
They have almost no regular channels
They have a lot more than I thought they did. However, they have one of the most obnoxious websites, which is in itself enough of a reason not to use them.
Posted by: hongcho
They have enough. It's just that they are missing some channels.
I've had Voom installed and then uninstalled because I didn't like the responsiveness of the STB (which they have recently fixed) and mainly because I couldn't spend both on Voom and HR10-250.
Of course, depending on where you are, the reception might be an issue.
Hong.
Posted by: tarmack
Bingo.....with your comment.
Subscribed twice...unsubscribed an equal amount. First time I paid 800 bucks....the second time I took the $0 down deal.
Neither one was worth it to me.
Some sort of a "cult" on their web site....they seem to enjoy being taken advantage of by a service that I would never even think of buying a used car...from.
quote:
Originally posted by btwyx
They have a lot more than I thought they did. However, they have one of the most obnoxious websites, which is in itself enough of a reason not to use them.
Posted by: rickaren
Well for one, I'm very happy with VOOM and yes they are going to have a PVR. I backed off purchasing the new HD TiVO to see what they will supply (rent?). They want your business and supply more HD programing than DirecTV and the picture and sound are better. You can not beat their present deal! I have not reduced my present subscription to DirecTV and still have my HD package and Locals too. It is definitely a worth while addition and if they do supply a worthy PVR this summer, will cancel all movie packages from D and watch them all in HD from VOOM!
Posted by: dave3
I preorded an hd tivo, but may very well switch to voom if and when thier PVR comes out. If it is stable and rentable I will probably jump ship from direct tv, sell my hdtivo, at a slight loss and jump on the voom bandwagon. Need more HD!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Posted by: turls
Jeez, we can only hope their PVR is awesome--ok, I'll hope for usable (this is a Motorola box most likely, you have to realize). The responses in this thread are ridiculous. What other satellite service has a chance to bring down the price of DirecTV's overpriced mess any time soon?
Posted by: wilsonc
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Originally posted by dave3
I preorded an hd tivo, but may very well switch to voom if and when thier PVR comes out. If it is stable and rentable I will probably jump ship from direct tv, sell my hdtivo, at a slight loss and jump on the voom bandwagon. Need more HD!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Don't expect it to be anything like a Tivo.....I would wait to see what Directv adds once they have room to add channels once 7S is up.
Posted by: dave3
Oh I am not jumping ship just yet, I still don't have my hdtivo even. I am just saying when voom gets thier 4 tuner, multi room, PVR out, and it is stable and rentable, and if Voom has more HD than D* then I will change. All I will watch from D* right now in HD is HBO and SHO and maybe an occasionaly PPV. Voom has more Movie channels and that is what I am most interested in. I am not a sports guy so i don't care for hdespn or HDnet, I am a, sit on the couch with my popcorn, movie kinda guy.
Posted by: FatherTed
Well, Voom is on the fast track to bankruptcy. You'll find the article posted elsewhere here. They've been in operation for about 7 months with an investment of millions and they have only 1500 customers.
Posted by: madpoet
Oh please.... let's not turn this into a "Voom only has xxx subscribers and sucks" thread. Your numbers are wrong. Do some research. This isn't the place for a Voom argument.
Posted by: tarmack
Well, just where is the place to discuss facts and not fiction of this new service?
From what I can read on and in other forum areas, the last software upgrade that had been promised for MONTHS....is now under review for yet another fix on the 31st....so that you guys can see a movie from start to end.....without a black screen, a lock up, or a loss of sound.
Mark Cuban and his HDNet had his reasons for not wanting to put his work onto VOOM....and that might explain the reason why I have to get back to channel 79 on D* to see the rest of the current NASA program that has included several launches in HD content and beauty.
You might want to cut some trees down Mr Poet so that you can see what I see. Grin.
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Originally posted by madpoet
Oh please.... let's not turn this into a "Voom only has xxx subscribers and sucks" thread. Your numbers are wrong. Do some research. This isn't the place for a Voom argument.
Posted by: Carbo
I Have voom, So far my box has always worked fine. I have no problems. The software upgrade is working perfect. But some are reporting problems. Also the subscribers is supposed to have just passed 10000. So its not bad.
So far I like the service. They do offer alot if what you are looking for is HD movies.
2 HBOS, 2 Showtimes, 2 Cinemaxs, 2 Starzs and 1 TMC. Along with 21 of their own HD choices and the BRAVo, Discovery and Playboy HD channels.
I will never take the side of any service provider over the other. Why should we take sides like we going to benefit from it. Each service provides something the others don't. You just have to choose which is for you.
Posted by: FatherTed
quote:
Originally posted by madpoet
Oh please.... let's not turn this into a "Voom only has xxx subscribers and sucks" thread. Your numbers are wrong. Do some research. This isn't the place for a Voom argument.
Don't bitch at me. The article was posted here. I didn't write the freakin thing. bitch at the one who did if you think their numbers are wrong.
And let's see... Variety has their numbers wrong too, huh? "Voom has around 1,600 subscribers to its high-definition satcasting service" Hmmm what date was that? Oh dear, March 25th, 2004. Wow, that's really old.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR11...3?categoryid=18
So, you can bite me any time.
But I'm sure you have 'inside' information that those numbers are all wrong and publications like Variety know nothing about the entertainment business. :rolleyes: Because the guy whose account is 20 days old has all the answers.
Posted by: FatherTed
quote:
Originally posted by Carbo
I will never take the side of any service provider over the other. Why should we take sides like we going to benefit from it. Each service provides something the others don't. You just have to choose which is for you.
Why? Because you paid a whole lot of money for the equipment. That's an awful lot to kiss goodbye if this doesn't float and it does happen. Think primestar. That was a cable company satellite ambition gone bad and this is targeting a much smaller market than general satellite services.
Posted by: madpoet
quote:
Originally posted by FatherTed
Don't bitch at me. The article was posted here. I didn't write the freakin thing. bitch at the one who did if you think their numbers are wrong.
And let's see... Variety has their numbers wrong too, huh? "Voom has around 1,600 subscribers to its high-definition satcasting service" Hmmm what date was that? Oh dear, March 25th, 2004. Wow, that's really old.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR11...3?categoryid=18
So, you can bite me any time.
But I'm sure you have 'inside' information that those numbers are all wrong and publications like Variety know nothing about the entertainment business. :rolleyes: Because the guy whose account is 20 days old has all the answers.
Just because I didn't choose to re-register here at TC until recently means squat Ted. Never had a need to until I bought my HD Tivo. If you think I'm some dumb-ass newbie go check AVS. But enough about me.
Since you refuse to do any actual research on your own... the numbers quoted are subscriber numbers from early December. They are used becuase the Dolans haven't had to do another filing yet (although they will in about 2 weeks) and so reporters tend to be lazy and use them even when they are 3-4 months old. Actual subsciber numbers are somewhere between 5k-10k (confirmed because Voom CSRs celebrated 5k subscribers, but have not yet celebrated 10k). Is this a lot? Nope. But it's better than the numbers you are tossing around.
In conclusion, I suggest you take a look at the title of this forum (it's HDTV TiVo Powered PVRs in case you might have missed it) and perhaps take a Voom argument to somewhere relevant. And if you still are into the whole "biting" thing, subscribe to Voom and get Playboy HD. Maybe that will satisfy your urges.
-MP
Posted by: Carbo
FatherTed,
How much do you think I paid smartass. I didn't realize you were my accountant. It's $0 down and just a monthly service charge if you want Voom. If they go out they go out. All I loose is my monthly subscription.
As far as the other two D* and E*, they should be here for a long time.
If you don't like Voom and don't want them then don't get them. And let me know when D* and E* send you the bonus check for being loyal.
Posted by: feldon23
Variety is quoting Philip Swann. Philip Swann wouldn't know journalism if it came up and bit him in the ass.
Posted by: MichaelK
does anyone know how the voom signals are snet? Are they compatible with DISH or DIRECTV?
Curious if it would be possibole one day to just get another dish and aim at their sateellite and get their stuff plus directv through one box.
Sorta like USSB and directv in the beginning when you could get both compaines offerings through a directv box (But not really technically the same I know).
Posted by: feldon23
Good luck. They are direct competitors to DirecTV and Dish.
Posted by: MichaelK
quote:
Originally posted by feldon23
Good luck. They are direct competitors to DirecTV and Dish.
I know that- it might of taken my 2 years to figure out you bat lefty but i'm not totally dense. :D
I'm just trying to figure out the VOOM end game. I just cant see them being a viable competitior to DISH and Directv with the small amount of bandwidth and iffy slot they have.
Even this niche they are trying to carve being all HD, i cant see them holding onto that monopoly for too long. In a few years DISH and/or DirecTV will have some system for LIL HD for a pile of markets plus room to cary as many HD channels as Voom has. How many subs can he get before then- a mil or 2, hec I dont think Directv has paid for their satellites yet with their 15 million and they got pegasus et al to pay part of the first one.
Does Rainbow own a ton of other licenses that i dont know about?
If not how the hec can Dolan expect to survive?
Does he plan on one of the big boys buying him out?
Does he hope to become an add on for one of them?
Or is he as pig headed as he was with YES (where he played chicken with the Yankees and refused to carry them for a year and lost tens of thousands of subscribers to Directv and then went to arbitration and basically got handed the terms the Yankees wanted anyhow). I believe with the Yankees he let his personal feelings get involved and cloud his judgement as Steinbrenner basically hosed him, but it seems other then that he knows how to make money. So what is is end game?
Posted by: feldon23
It's for people who are switching cold-turkey to HDTV.
Posted by: bkdtv
For those curious, here are VOOM's HDTV channels.
100 HDNews
101 HD Cinema10
102 HD Cinema10
103 HD Cinema10
104 HD Cinema10
105 HD Cinema10
106 HD Cinema10
107 HD Cinema10
108 HD Cinema10
109 HD Cinema10
110 HD Cinema10
121 Monsters HD
122 Epics HD
123 WorldSport HD
124 Rush HD
125 Rave HD
126 Ultra HD
127 Auction HD
128 Gallery HD
129 MOOV HD
130 Animania HD
201 HBO HD East
202 HBO HD West
221 Cinemax HD East
222 Cinemax HD West
241 Showtime HD East
242 Showtime HD West
251 TMC HD East
261 Starz HD East
262 Starz HD West
271 Encore HD East
311 NFL Network HD
501 Bravo HD+
601 Discovery HD Theater
701 Playboy HD
999 Inside VOOM HD
Not only do they offer more channels, but according to many that have made the switch, the HDTV is more detailed with less artifacting than the channels on DirecTV. VOOM is missing a few popular SD channels, namely ESPN ("we're working on it"), SciFi, and FOX News. At $79.90/mo for all SD and HD channels, service is about $10/mo less than DirecTV.
As others have noted, there is no equipment to buy (boxes rentable at $9.50/mo), there is no installation or cancellation fee, and there is no programming commitment. The free installation includes an off-air antenna for HDTV locals, which are integrated into the guide with program information. Package pricing is guaranteed until 2005.
As far as the PVR, they announced it for Q3 availability, but it's unlikely to hit before September. It will have multiple tuners like the HD Tivo, but being a Motorola design, it's unlikely to feature Season Pass.
Posted by: MichaelK
so they have 36 channels, maybe room for a handful more of SD, how do they compete in 2 or 3 years when D* and E* get their HD acts together?
I dont think they can break even without like 5 or 10 million customers at best. How do they do that when E* and D* get the same offerings plus locals and 100 SD channels?
on the PVR note, my partner had a crappy DISH pvr. HE switched to digital cable and they gave him a motorola PVR. The motorolla PVR made the DISH think look like gold in their minds. Literally 4 days later his wife and kids yelled at him so much that he switched to DirecTV for the TiVo.I had them over to see the DirectTiVO and they were in AWE.
Posted by: hongcho
There is a question of VOOM able to keep some of their transponders or how they will expand. There are rumors of Cablevision spinning out VOOM, VOOM having 5000 subs and VOOM attracting potential buyers. Who knows.
As for their DVR... Although the quality and functionality of the VOOM DVR is in question, I think their concept of the "distributed video server-client" model.
The only thing is that if the "broadcast" flag would interfere with it. I mean, one can have the client in another house (with tunneling and stuff). :)
Hong.
Posted by: bkdtv
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so they have 36 channels, maybe room for a handful more of SD, how do they compete in 2 or 3 years when D* and E* get their HD acts together?
VOOM designed their receiver so that it was upgradable to MPEG-4. They plan to deploy MPEG-4 (H.264) module upgrades late this fall to give them capacity for another 40 SD channels at existing quality, and possibly many more as those encoding products become more mature. VOOM is looking to use MPEG4 for HDTV at some point in 2005.
As far as DirecTV and Dish Network, I wouldn't expect to see them add anything close to 30 HD channels in the next few years. Their existing spectrum just doesn't provide the capacity. They could probably gain that capacity by swapping out all of existing receivers with models capable of 8PSK and/or H.264, but that is not going to happen, given the billions it would cost. The chance of DBS moving five degree spacing is slim to none.
Substantial HD expansion (20+ HD channels) is not going to be feasible on DirecTV until Ka service is deployed for national video delivery, probably some time between 2007 and 2010. Note DirecTV is launching some satellites with Ka spot beams, but it's not yet known whether these will be prove adequate for video service, and if so, it will be for HD locals, not national service.
Posted by: MichaelK
ahhh..MPEG4. THat makes sense I suppose for the short/meduium term.
Can you do realtime encoding of HD with MPEG4 and look as good as the original MPEG2- just from reading the other threads here about HD-DVD it sounds like you NEED mulitpass. So that would work for the voom channels where they control the content, maybe even single pass would be good enough for SD. But what do they do for the HBO's and the Locals?
Long term i think its still sounds hopeless. I just cant see D* and E* getting their rears handed to them on HD by Cable (even before you factor in VOOM) and not stepping up rather soon to add more. 36 channels is probably a stretch but i dont think 10-15 is out of the question in the next couple of years without even having to do a major change of hardware or anything. 10 or 15 I think that gets you all at least one feed (east or west) of all the big network cable channels like HBO, ESPN, ETC (basically everyone thats here now except all the made up Voom channels).
Then if they get KA spot beams for HD LIL even for a few big markets you might as well take Voom out back and shot 'em.
Voom, with its headstart now and probable edge in channels for a while will grab the early adopters and the high end, but is that subset enough to let them pay for their satellite anytime soon? I just dont see it.
Posted by: bkdtv
quote:
Can you do realtime encoding of HD with MPEG4 and look as good as the original MPEG2- just from reading the other threads here about HD-DVD it sounds like you NEED mulitpass. So that would work for the voom channels where they control the content, maybe even single pass would be good enough for SD. But what do they do for the HBO's and the Locals?
All the channels you see on DBS now are being re-encoded with MPEG-2. VOOM will just re-encode them with MPEG-4 instead. Encoding MPEG-4 won't be like doing it with your computer; Voom will be using industrial MPEG-4 encoders from the same vendors that supply MPEG-2 encoding equipment to Dish, DirecTV, and cable.
MPEG-2 encoders have been around for a long time, so those products are quite mature. Realtime MPEG-4 encoding hardware won't be nearly as mature to start, but they should still offer significant gains for SD.
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Long term i think its still sounds hopeless. I just cant see D* and E* getting their rears handed to them on HD by Cable (even before you factor in VOOM) and not stepping up rather soon to add more.
Remember, cable won't have substantial capacity for HDTV until they convert their analog cable channels to digital, freeing up capacity for dozens of HDTV channels. Comcast recently issued a memo that they were going to be limit future HD additions, as they just didn't have the capacity on many of their cable networks.
We're probably looking at 2008 before cable networks transition their analog channels to digital on any substantial scale, so that gives the DBS providers plenty of time to work on Ka. If and when Ka is proven viable, and satellite designs are available, Voom can just as easily place an order as DirecTV, assuming they are still around and have the resources. Certainly, there is plenty of time between now and 2008-2010 for Voom to acquire a Ka license.
Posted by: MichaelK
quote:
Originally posted by bkdtv
All the channels you see on DBS now are being re-encoded with MPEG-2. VOOM will just re-encode them with MPEG-4 instead. Encoding MPEG-4 won't be like doing it with your computer; Voom will be using industrial MPEG-4 encoders from the same vendors that supply MPEG-2 encoding equipment to Dish, DirecTV, and cable.
MPEG-2 encoders have been around for a long time, so those products are quite mature. Realtime MPEG-4 encoding hardware won't be nearly as mature to start, but they should still offer significant gains for SD.[/B]
I know sat now is encoded in MPEG2 and also assume VOOM will be using much bette mpeg4 encoders then the chip that a consumer product might have, but just reading through the HD DVD threads here, many have implied that the quailty of real time MPEG4 does not match that of MPEG2 which the sats use now. Also the HD feeds they get will all already be in MPEG2 so they will need to reencode those in MPEG4 not just pass them along like sat does now. I guess they can make it work for SD, but i'm not sure you would get hige gains with HD (but i suppose they assume in a couple years they will be there when they need it.
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Remember, cable won't have substantial capacity for HDTV until they convert their analog cable channels to digital, freeing up capacity for dozens of HDTV channels. Comcast recently issued a memo that they were going to be limit future HD additions, as they just didn't have the capacity on many of their cable networks.
Funny how that is- I dont know what their plans are- seems so stupid to me. Why not just take everything except the locals and make those digital, then make everyone have a box- they like boxes dont they. THen they would have all that space to do tons of stuff with it. (I'd even think they could do that with the locals in 2006 but I assume they have some kind of rules to provide lifeline for broadcast locals.)
Your point makes snese but i just dont get the cable people's vision here either. Our local cable shlocko'o just rebuilt us a few months back, touting HD like mad, besides the sucky motorolla HD PVR, they only have the same few channels that D* has and havnet even put all the HD locals up, they have NBC and FIX, But soon D* will have CBS and FOX so its a wash. I cant figure out why they dont carry the local CBS, ABC, UPN, WB, And the 3 local PBS's- totally strange.
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We're probably looking at 2008 before cable networks transition their analog channels to digital on any substantial scale, so that gives the DBS providers plenty of time to work on Ka. If and when Ka is proven viable, and satellite designs are available, Voom can just as easily place an order as DirecTV, assuming they are still around and have the resources. Certainly, there is plenty of time between now and 2008-2010 for Voom to acquire a Ka license.
But arent the lead times on Sats and lunches measures in years and not months? Directv has spaceway coming and I think DISH has some Ka stuff already so VOOM will need to figure it out pretty soon no?
Anyhow I guess all and all it isnt so ridiculous as I thought originally but i still think they wont be able to catch up with the sub numbers that E*or D* has and i dont think either of them is making hoards of money yet and they have been playing the game for maybe 8 years.
Posted by: hongcho
The only MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) realtime encoder I know is from Envivio (not officially released, but demoed with DirecTV) and they can only do full DVD resolution (720 x 480 or something similar). I think the HD resolution in H.264 has still some ways to go.
MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) is a bit different from the MPEG-4 we've been seeing on the PC or on the camcorders.
Hong.
Posted by: bkdtv
quote:
I know sat now is encoded in MPEG2 and also assume VOOM will be using much bette mpeg4 encoders then the chip that a consumer product might have, but just reading through the HD DVD threads here, many have implied that the quailty of real time MPEG4 does not match that of MPEG2 which the sats use now.
PC / desktop and industrial encoders are in no way comparable. They are leagues apart in performance and cost. The industrial encoders used by Dish, DirecTV, and Voom cost thousands and thousands of dollars each, and they have rooms full of them.
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Also the HD feeds they get will all already be in MPEG2 so they will need to reencode those in MPEG4 not just pass them along like sat does now.
Satellite doesn't "just pass them along" now. The HDTV channels re-encoded and recompressed, just like the SD channels. That's part of the reason why you get better picture quality HDTV with the original source (i.e. a BUD) than you do on DirecTV or even VOOM.
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Funny how that is- I dont know what their plans are- seems so stupid to me. Why not just take everything except the locals and make those digital, then make everyone have a box- they like boxes dont they. THen they would have all that space to do tons of stuff with it.
Despite all the talk about digital cable, the vast majority of cable subscribers have analog service. At current STB prices, cable companies may not be able to justify the cost of buying boxes for all customers with a basic analog package. Moreover, some customers receiving analog only service may not want to use an external STB, and certainly they won't want to pay extra for it.
With every passing year, STB technology becomes cheaper, and at some point, it will probably make sense economically, but until the law (i.e. digital must carry) or competition (i.e. satellite) necessitates it, or cable providers see a way for it to generate significant new revenues, they are not going to make the investment.
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But arent the lead times on Sats and lunches measures in years and not months? Directv has spaceway coming and I think DISH has some Ka stuff already so VOOM will need to figure it out pretty soon no?
It remains to be seen whether DirecTV will use, or attempt to use, its Spaceway Ka for some HD locals. Even so, don't forget that VOOM mounts an off-air antenna for your DTV/HDTV locals as part of the installation. Most VOOM customers probably already receive locals in HDTV, so I doubt locals on satellite--with additional compression and some picture degradation--would be a compelling reason to switch.
Posted by: btwyx
quote:
Originally posted by bkdtv
Despite all the talk about digital cable, the vast majority of cable subscribers have analog service. At current STB prices, cable companies may not be able to justify the cost of buying boxes for all customers with a basic analog package. Moreover, some customers receiving analog only service may not want to use an external STB, and certainly they won't want to pay extra for it.
Not so long ago (a year or 2), I was seeing news about micro set top boxes. (I don't think that was what they were actually calling them though.) These were small size and would be plummed into the cable at the point of entry to the home. They'd decode a digital only infrastructure to normal looking analog, transparantly to the subscriber. That way the cable company could be all digital and the subscriber could be all analog. These were supposed to be cheap enough to provision on a wide basis.
Isn't this getting a bit off the point?
Posted by: PaJo
Voom is new, they are small and they are creating some excitement for HDTV owners - much like another small startup called TiVO did a few years ago. At first there are many nay-sayers, but some times the good guys do win. I like DTV but am watching Voom as well, my priority is movies not sports and likewise I need a DVR , have to admit I would love to see a HD TiVO that worked with Voom. There are a couple SD stations I also need, and perhaps Voom will soon add those as well, I don't need 100 channels when I only watch a dozen or so.
Posted by: btwyx
quote:
Originally posted by PaJo
Voom is new, they are small and they are creating some excitement for HDTV owners - much like another small startup called TiVO did a few years ago. At first there are many nay-sayers, but some times the good guys do win. I like DTV but am watching Voom as well, my priority is movies not sports and likewise I need a DVR , have to admit I would love to see a HD TiVO that worked with Voom. There are a couple SD stations I also need, and perhaps Voom will soon add those as well, I don't need 100 channels when I only watch a dozen or so.
Didn't TiVo have a unique product for which there was no competition. VOOM has plenty of competition, its not unique. The differentiator for VOOM is "more" not "unique". Bit of a difference there.
If a dozen people only need a dozen channels each, you may need upto 144 channels to satisfy them all. It doesn't have a must have for me (BBC America) so I couldn't use it at the moment. Also I actually counted, there are 30 channels I could say I've watched or recorded something off in the recent past. If I hadn't counted I would also have said it was a dozen or less, you may watch more than you think.
My priority is neither movies, nor sports. I don't want to do without a TiVo.
Posted by: Bigg
If you want movies get a DVD upconverter player. that is all a lot of the HD movies are. And then you can have TiVo-like functionality. ESPN and DISC are like the only good premium HD channels there are. A lot of the VOOM channels look very obscure. DISC and ESPN are well know for good programming on their SD channels already. the Future of TV and internet is with FTTH I beleive, but not for many years. If the governemtn would just string fiber to everyone's home... And the other rpoblem is that with three DBS companies out there, there is just too much repetition with the VERY limited amount of bandwidth. Now for the lucky people with TWC and the Sci Atlanta DVRs...
Posted by: hongcho
Just to make a point... Upconverted DVD is NOT HD.
There, I feel a bit better. :p
Hong.
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