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Alias 3/28
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Posted by: celestprof

What is up with the new hairstyle for Jenny? It looks bad!!

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

8:34--didn't see THAT coming!

I wonder if JJ Abrams has issues with his mother..?

Posted by: celestprof

Yeah, no kidding!

I hear that Lena Olin has entered into new discussions to come back for at least one episode. I hope its true. I liked her character.

I was hoping Jack was going to burst in and shoot.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

Well, on a more positive note, I am convinced that the longer Lauren stays alive, the more horrible her death will be!

Posted by: ufo4sale

one can only hope.

Posted by: cmontyburns

quote:
Originally posted by celestprof
What is up with the new hairstyle for Jenny? It looks bad!!

No, no, strongly disagree. The parted-down-the-middle, broom-straight 'do she's been wearing forever just isn't that flattering. Big thumbs-up on the new look.

Posted by: cmontyburns

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
8:34--didn't see THAT coming!

I wonder if JJ Abrams has issues with his mother..?

No kidding. I assume people are expecting spoilers in here, but since the thread wasn't marked as such...

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I was duly surprised by this, but inevitably have trouble with the way it played out. How on earth would a shot to the temple from above and three feet away ever look like suicide? If they suspected Lauren as the mole, why wouldn't they assume she would be remorseless enough to kill her father and pin it on him? Why would they just accept that he was the mole based solely on heresay provided by his wife, and with no further investigation? If the senator's records show that Sloane was giving artifacts to him, why wouldn't they investigate this rather than just jumping at Sloane, or at least recognize that the one person who had access to both sides (Sloane and Senator Reed) was the person they originally suspected of being the mole? I know, I know, this stuff doesn't bear overanalyzing... but week after week the show just makes the entire agency look like such buffoons that it is difficult to be entertained more than frustrated. I won't even get into how, yet again, Sydney and Vaughn interrupt their mission for a Dr. Phil moment.

But here's a question: In the cave, Mubari said he would not have found the location of the keys if it hadn't been for Sydney and Vaughn (or the CIA generally). Did he mean just by following them there, or was there some detail I missed?

Posted by: ntrprize

Sydneys new do is awesome!!!

Posted by: cptodd

I have not seen the episode yet but there was something that has been nagging me since last week. How could the senator just call up an agency of the federal government that was clearly under the executive branch and order them to do anything? I seem to remember last week that he did just that after he was notified that someone stole a Rimbaldi (sp?) artifact. I just found that strange.

Posted by: loubob57

quote:
Originally posted by cptodd
I have not seen the episode yet but there was something that has been nagging me since last week. How could the senator just call up an agency of the federal government that was clearly under the executive branch and order them to do anything? I seem to remember last week that he did just that after he was notified that someone stole a Rimbaldi (sp?) artifact. I just found that strange.

The show isn't too good in using logic so why throw in the whole separation of powers thing?

I was just amazed at how quickly the mole investigation closed up afterthe Senator commited "suicide". Wouldn't they still revoke Lauren's clearance?

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by cptodd
I have not seen the episode yet but there was something that has been nagging me since last week. How could the senator just call up an agency of the federal government that was clearly under the executive branch and order them to do anything? I seem to remember last week that he did just that after he was notified that someone stole a Rimbaldi (sp?) artifact. I just found that strange.

It works that way in Stargate, too. Apparently, on television, being on a Senate overview committee gives you operational authority over whoever you're ovelooking. At least in Hollywood...

Posted by: devdogaz

DO NOT like Syd's bangs.

This episode was merely OK, as most of the recent episodes have been. Multiple times during the show my wife just started laughing at the dialogue and asked me if they had recently changed writers.

I think enough people watch forensic shows to know that there is no way that gunshot could be ruled a suicide.

Lauren would at least be on some sort of suspension and would require tons of debriefing to find out all the stuff her father had her do.

I cna't believe Jack just bought off on that explanation. Hopefully in the next episode we'll find out that he is still suspicious.

Interesting that Marshall could see the helicopter that brought Bomani and his goons to the cave, but then they just disappeared after stealing the keys. Bomani said he could never have found the place without their help. How could he have arranged a covert getaway if he didn't even know where he was going until he got there?

Posted by: milo99

i thought it was a good episode...

damn, no spoiler tag in the title, editing to spoiler tag my response

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but i too, didn't buy the suicide. So they listened to the wife who has no suspicion. Fine. but then when Jack asks if the forensics checked out, um, yea, i guess we have to assume that they put the gun in his hand and fired a shot so as to put some GSR on him?

Even so, it looked like he was shot from about 2ft away- a completely different result than having the gun right up against you. *sigh* oh well...

still have to say, totally did not see the mother thing coming.

Posted by: Dafaso

I have to say that I saw the mother thing coming from a mile away. She just seemed too much like the stereotypical wife of a politican when first shown in the episode, but in an odd way. I immediately thought she was covenant. I liked this episode, except when everyone just accepted that it was a suicide, as y'all pointed out.

Posted by: Graymalkin

And once again, there's not one single character with a speaking part on this show who isn't a spy or a victim. Sigh.

Posted by: cptodd

quote:
Originally posted by loubob57
The show isn't too good in using logic so why throw in the whole separation of powers thing?

You know, I had to laugh when I read this. I did not want to actually say "separation of powers" 'caue I thought I might sound too much like a nerd. But I guess I could not actually expect to bring this up without the "nerd factor" kicking in.

Posted by: ScottE22

quote:
Originally posted by devdogaz
Interesting that Marshall could see the helicopter that brought Bomani and his goons to the cave, but then they just disappeared after stealing the keys.

I noticed this too (among other plot holes :rolleyes: ). I got a kick out of Marshall's radar screen when the helicopter came into view -- I think it said "unidentified signal" or something....

I've also seen CSI enough times to know that there would be no mistaking a gunshot from 3 feet away as a suicide. Suicidal people also generally don't care if they use a silencer....

I still look forward to the show every week, but I don't like when the plot holes get so ludicrous that they're actually distracting me from the story. I hope they're able to pull something a little stronger together for the last few episodes!!

Posted by: holee

I'm getting tired of this season. The weird-arse technology is one thing, but the lapses in logic are as bad as they are on 24. At the rate they're going, the entire cast is going to be dead or in jail before they find the mole.

And it'll only take another episode. Because the CIA only has four operatives. Why do they even NEED a budget? When the Senator tried to get them to jump, the answer should have been "Screw you, we don't need $200M. We just need $10 for the for of us! HA HA!"

Sidney convincing the bomber to give in because it's the GOOD thing to do? Right after she pretty much admitted she killed his brother? (Which frankly someone should react to. Considering the hoopla over when they thought she killed Sark's father).

And if I have to hear Jack's bad accents once more I'm going to...well, keep watching.

Posted by: grecorj

Come on, Jack, don't fall for the phoney-baloney story Lauren is handing you! Stick with your instincts!

Compared to last week's ep, this one sparkled. But I've grown accustomed to the variation in quality on this show. Like the early years of the X-Files, episodes come in 3 varieties: Mind-blowing, Average, and Those Only A Fan Could Watch. :D This one was in the middle. But it sustains me until the next Mind-blowing episode, of which I expecct 2 more by the time S3 ends....

Posted by: LoadStar

BTW - it's understood that a thread with an episode date in it has spoilers once that date is past, as far as I know. In any case, I'm not spoiler tagging.

First - hate the new do, Syd. (Wonder what else she was filming at this point that required messing with her hair?)

Second - yes, the whole making a gunshot from 3 feet away from the back look like it was self-inflicted was stupid. There is SO much wrong with that I won't even touch it.

Third - EXTRAS, JJ... Get some unnamed extras as backup CIA officers... the point above regarding the CIA only having 4 fieldops rated officers is so true.

Last - regarding the sep. of powers thing... I remember that even Quantum Leap had the same problem. I know the show isn't exactly The West Wing, but still....

Posted by: Sromkie

quote:
Originally posted by Dafaso
I have to say that I saw the mother thing coming from a mile away. She just seemed too much like the stereotypical wife of a politican when first shown in the episode, but in an odd way. I immediately thought she was covenant. I liked this episode, except when everyone just accepted that it was a suicide, as y'all pointed out.

Also though, if she was Covenant, then why have Lauren do it at all? Her mother could have pulled the whole thing off without a hitch at some point when Lauren was out of the country so that there is no way that she could be tied to the death..Why involver her at all if they didn't have to? BTW, I know that the writers obviously wanted the mother to be a shock, but to me, it was just silly.

Posted by: Dafaso

quote:
Originally posted by Sromkie
Also though, if she was Covenant, then why have Lauren do it at all? Her mother could have pulled the whole thing off without a hitch at some point when Lauren was out of the country so that there is no way that she could be tied to the death..Why involver her at all if they didn't have to? BTW, I know that the writers obviously wanted the mother to be a shock, but to me, it was just silly.

Good point. In fact, it might have even been better if, after Lauren refusing to kill her father, we had seen the mother kill him without Lauren knowing she did it. That would have been even more of a shock/twist, and Lauren would have been distraught and suspicious at the same time. She would have accused Sark of killing him after she wouldn't do it herself and there'd be some animosity and tension between Lauren and Sark. Hey, I could write for this show! :)

Posted by: Rcrew

Not that great an episode, but I may feel that way because I fully expected Lauren to take one in the forehead this week...

Posted by: ZeoTiVo

quote:
Originally posted by grecorj
Come on, Jack, don't fall for the phoney-baloney story Lauren is handing you! Stick with your instincts!

Compared to last week's ep, this one sparkled. But I've grown accustomed to the variation in quality on this show. Like the early years of the X-Files, episodes come in 3 varieties: Mind-blowing, Average, and Those Only A Fan Could Watch. :D This one was in the middle. But it sustains me until the next Mind-blowing episode, of which I expecct 2 more by the time S3 ends....

yes, despite the bad forensics and business as usual attitude for Lauren that were holes in the logic - this show did alright and remember that Jack is one to play his cards close and use them as needed. I expect he will use Lauren at some point to get access/insight into the covenent when he needs it.

PS the unidentified signal was produced when the started to take the keys off the wall. They all got distracted by the helicopter coming in. I expect a plot twist where taking the keys did not start a destruction of the cave they were in - that would be beneath Rimbaldi - but did start some chain of events signalled by the unidentified signal.

Posted by: ScottE22

quote:
Originally posted by ZeoTiVo
PS the unidentified signal was produced when the started to take the keys off the wall. They all got distracted by the helicopter coming in. I expect a plot twist where taking the keys did not start a destruction of the cave they were in - that would be beneath Rimbaldi - but did start some chain of events signalled by the unidentified signal.

Maybe I need to re-watch the show, but I thought that the "unidentified signal" was the baddies' helicopter on approach... The reason I got such a kick out of it was that it was like they were spoon-feeding it to us... The "blip" was in red with a huge "unidentified signal" tag on it.

Next time, they should just have the blip closing in on Vaughn and Syd with the words "Bad Guys" on it... :D

Posted by: Rcrew

quote:
Originally posted by ScottE22
Next time, they should just have the blip closing in on Vaughn and Syd with the words "Bad Guys" on it... :D

Or "Sark and unidentified blond female accomplice...."

Posted by: Rcrew

Just re-watched it with my GF.

I took note of Jack dumping Lauren's information from a workstation. Later when Lauren logs in and notices that someone has accessed her info, it looked to me like she was at the same workstation.

Of course, while Jack is poking around, Lauren walks right by.

Flaw, or was Jack not at her workstation?

Posted by: Rcrew

Oh yeah, I had to replay the balcony scene twice.. that was pretty cool!

Posted by: cptodd

quote:
Originally posted by Rcrew
Not that great an episode, but I may feel that way because I fully expected Lauren to take one in the forehead this week...

Oh how the tied turns! When it was mentioned that the woman who plays Lauren was coming on the show many guys on this forum could not contain themselves (Rcrew, not saying that you were among them). Now many people seem happy that she will (perhaps) get a bullet in the head. How ironic! :D

Posted by: Dad

Must suspend belief. Must not yell at show. Must hope for better. Must hope show has not jumped the shark.

They have turned Dixon into a moron. One more stupid move by him and I'll kill him.
Hmm, let's drop couple of ops in the ocean with no backup. Smart.
Lauren runs an unapproved key logging software on what must be the most secure system in the world and no one notices. Right.
As pointed out, if Lauren's mom is in on it, then why have Lauren kill him? What's one more mole, especially with an evil organization that doesn't seem to have been around that long to place her. Oh, and let's just take her word for everything.
Don't worry about anything Lauren, you are always welcome here because we want to you keep leaking information.
I really, really, really hope that Jack is just waiting for the right moment to put a bullet in Lauren's brain 'cause I'm tired of seeing my hero's get their lunch eaten every week.

Crap, I could go on but...must...keep...up...hope...

Posted by: smak

What about Jack's falling for the oldest trick in the book.

One show he's the ultimate badass superspy, the next he logs into somebody's workstation with his own user id. Ugh.

I like the new 'do, since the worst feature about Jen Garn is her weird tomboy hair.

She has never looked worse in a wig than her real hair, even punked out blue or red hair wigs.

-smak-

Posted by: Skyler

So, is Lauren's mom supposed to be the "head" of the Covenant who Sark reports to?

or

Is Lauren's mom just another Covenant operative who Sark knew about but hadn't revealed to Lauren?

Posted by: cpalma

quote:
Originally posted by smak
I like the new 'do, since the worst feature about Jen Garn is her weird tomboy hair.

I disagree. The worst thing about Jen Garn is her huge forehead. I like the bangs. I think it's an attractive look on her.

No mention of our favorite Mod Squad member?? Wow, Peggy Lipton looks great! She's got to be mid 50's!

I have nothing else to add. You've all summed up the plot holes. I still like the show and plan on watching just for that "shot to the forehead" of Lauren!! :D

Posted by: Rcrew

quote:
Originally posted by Dad
Must suspend belief. Must not yell at show. Must hope for better. Must hope show has not jumped the shark.

No way this show has jumped the sark...

When I re-watched the show last night, I caught the dialog between Dixon and Jack where Dixon asks if the forensics checked out. Jack says yes, so he has no reason to suspect anything, right now.

Perhaps there will be some more detailed forensics following up?

And while it was good for Lauren's position that the senator died, wouldn't that pretty much eliminate any value for her mother? Couldn't we assume that any value she had came from getting information through the Senator?

Posted by: MattD

Another reason I don't think Jack will let go of Lauren is that whole "Not if I see you first, Love" thing that led him to her in the first place. It's one thing for the Senator's disclosure of treason and apparent suicide to explain why she was accessing information. But that statement he overhears ties her directly to Sark.

Posted by: brott

quote:
Originally posted by smak
What about Jack's falling for the oldest trick in the book.

One show he's the ultimate badass superspy, the next he logs into somebody's workstation with his own user id. Ugh.

-smak-

Perhaps Jack wanted Lauren to know that he was poking around on her workstation. The proper reaction in that situation would be for Lauren to confront Jack to understand what he is up to. Since she never went to him, he should know for a fact that something is up now. The problem he is having is proof.

Posted by: Dafaso

It's also getting a little ridiculous that every mission Syd/CIA goes on, the covenant is attempting the exact same mission at the exact same time.

Posted by: Sromkie

quote:
Originally posted by Dafaso
It's also getting a little ridiculous that every mission Syd/CIA goes on, the covenant is attempting the exact same mission at the exact same time.

Well, that has always been the case with this show. Even before the Covenant, other groups like K-Directorate were always on their tail in the same fashion. But how much fun would the show really be if they didn't run into any complications?

Posted by: devdogaz

Well, in the early days, most of the suspense was created either by Syd trying to keep her dual-agent status a secret from SD-6 or simply by trying to evade the people who were guarding whatever they were trying to steal.

Now there is no one for Syd to keep her identity secret from and it seems they rarely have any troble breaking into a facility to get something. Marshall has an invention that can get past every security measure so the only suspense we ever have is whether the CIA or The Covenant will prevail in each episode.

Posted by: smak

quote:
Originally posted by devdogaz
Well, in the early days, most of the suspense was created either by Syd trying to keep her dual-agent status a secret from SD-6 or simply by trying to evade the people who were guarding whatever they were trying to steal.

Now there is no one for Syd to keep her identity secret from and it seems they rarely have any troble breaking into a facility to get something. Marshall has an invention that can get past every security measure so the only suspense we ever have is whether the CIA or The Covenant will prevail in each episode.

And actually, they BOTH always prevail.

Each one gets it, then the other one steals it from them, the other side breaks in somewhere and retreives it etc....

This current box seems to have gone through each of their hands a bunch of times.

-smak-

Posted by: smak

quote:
Originally posted by brott
Perhaps Jack wanted Lauren to know that he was poking around on her workstation. The proper reaction in that situation would be for Lauren to confront Jack to understand what he is up to. Since she never went to him, he should know for a fact that something is up now. The problem he is having is proof.

Yah, since i thought it a possibility the Lauren thing would end this episode, I actually thought Jack was setting her up from the beginning of the episode.

Obviously I think her end will come in the finale this year, and after that I have a feeling I know what the final final scene will be...

-smak-

Posted by: cheesesteak

I like Sydney's new do.

It's probably been asked before but why is Lauren the only member of her family with an accent?

Since everybody is a spy and/or somehow related to each other I keep expecting to learn that Sark really is Syd's older brother Rex who ran away from home because his father wouldn't let him drive race cars.

Posted by: Graymalkin

Lauren grew up in England. Her parents didn't.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by cheesesteak
It's probably been asked before but why is Lauren the only member of her family with an accent?

She was born and raised when her father was stationed in England.

Posted by: Tivos1

quote:
Originally posted by Skyler
So, is Lauren's mom supposed to be the "head" of the Covenant who Sark reports to?

or

Is Lauren's mom just another Covenant operative who Sark knew about but hadn't revealed to Lauren?

We know who one of Irina's sister is. Anyone care to venture a guess who her other sister is?

So who will Sydney kill first, her father or her cousin?

Posted by: MirclMax

quote:
Originally posted by LoadStar

Third - EXTRAS, JJ... Get some unnamed extras as backup CIA officers... the point above regarding the CIA only having 4 fieldops rated officers is so true.

I believe they've made several references to the group being a specialized "task force" dealing with the specific stuff they deal with. Thus, they're not trying to make it seem like that group is the entire CIA ..

Posted by: joeinma

quote:
Originally posted by loubob57

I was just amazed at how quickly the mole investigation closed up afterthe Senator commited "suicide". Wouldn't they still revoke Lauren's clearance?

That was driving me crazy. Jack things Lauren is a spy, tells her father the Senator. The same day the Senator winds up dead, so Jack decides that "oh, he was making you do it? Bad daddy!, sorry we thought you're a spy".

Seems to me that would make him more interested in Lauren. Hopefully, it's a ploy and Jack is still watching her.