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American Idol (3/30-3/31) Untagged Spoilers, of course

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Posted by: TonyD79

I hate guest judges. And Paula is going for nice over the top!

Here in my order:

George Huff (Ain’t Too Proud to Beg) – This is his night. Motown. Didn’t disappoint but I still don’t get the thrill this year that I did from Clay, Ruben and the gang. Best of the night but do I hear his voice giving out. A cold, maybe?

LaToya London (Ooh Baby Baby) – A voice. But tonight no spark. Natalie Cole tonight? But at least in key.

Fantasia Barrino (Heard It Thru the Grapevine) – Still that whiny voice but good performance tonight. What was with the wandering around the stage? This is a song written for her. Great choice of song. A bluesy song that makes use of the whine but upbeat so it doesn’t drone. This is a high rating for me for her. She gets on my nerves.

Jennifer Hudson (Heatwave) – At least she is adjusting her image and style per comments. I like her voice. She does need to less modulate. Pretty good except for a few pushed notes. Oooh, an Aretha note in the middle! There is room for her in the industry. Not an AI winner but a career nonetheless. Wow, she may be winning over Simon!

Jasmine Trias (You’re All I Need to Get By) – Decent. Good start. Got very pitchy at the end. Seemed to lose her voice. Best tonight? Drink much?

Amy Adams (Dancing in the Street) – A bit of a warble (she going country after last week) but she does upbeat pretty well. Wish I just didn’t see Ethel Merman every time I look at her ( not Jay Leno!).

Diana DiGarmo (Do You Love Me Now?) – Disney Channel would be proud. Lightweight. Too much yelling. She had energy. But so what? Judges seem to just love yelling. The louder the better to them.

John Peter Lewis– (This Old Heart of Mine) No range. Godspell off broadway? And Simon was right…no improvement in look

Carmine Velasco (For Once in My Life) – very pitchy. Painful

John Stevens (My Girl) – Ouch! I used to love that song. In most of its incarnations. He does know that singing involves multiple notes, right? That was bad karaoke! (Randy was right, basically under pitch.)



What’s up with Randy and Simon tonight? Move them apart and they miss each other, so they agree all the time?

I was waiting for a comment from Simon on hand motions.

Bye bye, Mr Stevens.


Posted by: Turtleboy

When Simon said that Amy Adams reminded him of Jay Leno, I thought,

"Damn! You're right, she does!"

Tony, interesting how on Mowtown night, you have all the black people listed ahead of the white people. And you're probably right.

Oh, and John Stevens stays and Carmine goes.

But hey, they made them do country last week. . .


Posted by: TonyD79

Turtle, didn't have any idea of that. I assure you not intentional.

Carmine, John Stevens. They are both going to lose soon anyway...


Posted by: Turtleboy

quote:
Originally posted by TonyD79
Turtle, didn't have any idea of that. I assure you not intentional.

Carmine, John Stevens. They are both going to lose soon anyway...


I'm not saying you did. I believe you. I just find it interesting that's how it turned out on Motown night.

I also think that you're assesment is correct.


Posted by: MarkofT

Camille, not Carmine.

I have Camille, Jon Stevens and Jennifer Hudson in the bottom 3 this week. I'm hoping Jennifer goes but it will probably be Camille. Too bad as she looks more confident now then she did the last few weeks.


Posted by: brott

My boy John Stevens let me down .. Time for him to go.

My picks for tonight

1- Diana
2- George
3- Jasmine
4- Jennifer
5- Fantasia
6- JPL
7- Amy
8- Latoya
9- Camille
10- John Stevens

There will probably be enough votes to keep John in, so it will be Camille, but John was by far the worst performer tonight. His days are definitely numbered.


Posted by: TonyD79

quote:
Originally posted by MarkofT
Camille, not Carmine.


Yeah. They messed me up with the wrong name on the show. Doesn't matter. Not long for this competition, anyway.

And Jennifer has a great voice. How can she be in the bottom three of anyone?


Posted by: David Platt

Please God, let it end. Let America send Camille home tomorrow night. She is painful to watch.


Posted by: Savafan1

Can we vote to send Randy home? He just annoys me....


Posted by: BLeonard

I say the bottom three are Camille, Jon Stevens, and John Peter Lewis


Posted by: justapixel

Fantasia.

Fantasia.

Fantasia.

I've never picked up the phone to call in before, but tonight, I did.

Man, is she good. Heads and tails above the rest.


Posted by: faerie

George Huff was GOLD tonight. Loved his performance.

Still don't like Jennifer Hudson, still can't quite put my finger on what bugs me so much about her, but I just can't stand to watch her perform and don't really care for her voice.

Diana's performance was good, but in comparison to Fantasia's, I had to agree with Simon, Diana's was like a high school musical, Fantasia's was something I'd pay to see.

John Stevens is a one trick pony and after tonight, I think he's GONE, he was just awful. At least Camille didn't sing nearly every note off-key, she just severly lacks stage presence and charisma.

I actually got into JPL's performance about halfway through, the beginning was terrible but he did pick it up towards the end.

My favorite 3 of the night were Fantasia, George Huff and Jasmine.

Bottom three were Camille and John Stevens, no doubt about it, and a maybe to JPL.

Sure was a telling night, a definite division between those who've got it and those who just can't pull it off.


Posted by: ThomasDrew

>>Sure was a telling night, a definite division between those who've got it and those who just can't pull it off.<<


Well said. I absolutely agree.

John Stevens was so bad...I just wanted his performance to be over. He's easily one of the worst, if not THE worst contestant this show has ever had. As horrendous as Leah and Matt were, John's sheer horrendousness reached an entirely different level tonight....about as terrible as it gets...simply awful.

Jon Peter Lewis isn't far behind. The only difference is that there seems to be a pre-pubescent (presumably female) segment of the population that's voting for him in huge numbers despite repeated mediocre showings. Amazingly, he's yet to land in the bottom three.

Here's my "AI report card" for tonight's show:

Fantasia: A
George: A-
Jasmine: B+
Diana: B
Latoya: B-
Jennifer: B-
Amy: C+
Camille: C-
JPL: D+
John Stevens: F


Posted by: LoadStar

First - guest judges, useless as usual. And unfortunately, Paula's back to her love-in with the contestants... she had been better this season, giving constructive criticism - now she's back to her act of"What???? You thought they were bad??? I just loved every minute of it, it was sheer ecstacy listening to you sing... you are a champion... blah, blah, blah..."

Camille: Definitely improved her stage presence - she looked comfortable on stage for the first time. Unfortunately, her voice hasn't improved to match... it still sounds warbly and raspy. Additionally, her choreography involved holding the mike with one hand and her other arm flapping.

Jon Peter Lewis: Also better this week, but still not what I consider a performance worthy of a top 10 contestant. It was good enough to keep him out of the bottom 3. That's the highest praise I have for him.

LaToya London: I am surprised to see others rank her so far down. I thought she was teriffic tonight. I thought she showed a huge amount of feeling in her voice and tone when singing this song, and it was a very in control performance... she didn't go over the top as one could have done with her song. I'd say one of the top 3 performances of the night.

Amy Adams: After her huge performance last week, this week was a letdown. It was just OK... there was absolutely nothing exciting about this performance. I think Amy found her niche with the country genre.

John Stevens: Oh, I hate to be excited at seeing someone do badly, but YES!!!! FINALLY!!!! I've been waiting every week for some genre that he can't mangle into his "one trick pony" performance style, and finally, tonight was the night. After I got done being excited, I actually listened to him, and WOW was he awful tonight. Words cannot express how bad the performance was. Definitely the worst of the night.

Jennifer Hudson: Remember the comments about Clay last year, that people liked him as long as they weren't watching him? That's how I felt about Jennifer tonight. She sounded pretty good, but watching her go through facial gymnastics trying to get that song out was laughable.

Jasmine Trias: Can I say how much I love Jasmine? Tonight was another all-star performance from Jasmine... her singing was really good, but that wasn't all... she had a great stage performance to match. Definitely one of the top 3 of the night.

Diana DeGarmo: I'm a pretty big Diana fan normally - but didn't love her performance tonight, at all. I think that it might have sounded better live, but it didn't come across on TV, at least to me. Sounded like she was shouting the song instead of singing. (EDIT: It just hit me what bugged me about the performance... it was CHEESY! It was easily as cheesy as any performance from Matt Rodgers, the king of cheese!)

Fantasia Barrino: If you love Fantasia, you loved her performance tonight. I'm not among that group of people... it was OK, but I just don't dig her type of voice at all. *shrug* I don't think this was a performance that won any new fans, but it definitely was a performance that if you already ARE a fan, you could point to and say "that's why I like her."

George Huff: Come on. Of course it's his night... you can tell he grew up on Motown. This was a given - great performance. The third of the top 3 performances.

My prediction for the bottom 3: John Stevens, Camille Velasco, and the surprise pick, Amy Adams. Camille's done.


Posted by: nyny523

John Stevens was downright PAINFULLY bad - I can't understand how he made it to the final 12, let alone through the past few weeks. I think this might be it for him.

Diana DeGarmo - she just BUGS me - she just seems so plastic and cheesy - maybe Disney is the place for her, playing Minnie Mouse.

Most of the rest were pretty much middle of the pack type performances - just a matter of time to pick them off one by one...

I think the final 3 will be Laytoya, Fantasia and George, although Jasmine is coming up strong. The rest of them will all be gone soon enough, regardless of the order...


Posted by: TomK

Please let the redheaded crooner leave. PLEASE! I cannot take another week of seeing him in his suit singing as he does. Let justice be served!


Posted by: Redleg

To me, Fantasia won the competition last night. She rose far above the rest of the pack; she has style and charisma and talent and musical taste -- she actually knows what to do with a song to make it hers, without sounding overwrought. And she does all that making it look easy. No question the best performance of the night, almost embarassingly so for the rest of the performers. Win or lose, I'm sure she'll have an album in the next twelve months.

Usually after a performance like that, I'm rooting for them to go, but I did feel bad for John Stevens after last night. He seems like a really nice kid. There may be a pity factor that keeps him around another week, but it's doubtful.


Posted by: disco

I watched only the recaps at the end, but man...slim pickins this year...I didn't see a single singer I thought that deserved to continue.


Posted by: mask2343

Man, I love Motown, but nobody can sing it better than the originals. We have heard these songs for years and fell in love with them. To ask a young performer to try them, it's just a recipe for disaster. Only Fantasia tried to change it up and make it her own. Jasmine did great also, but I love that song. George was the only one who sounded like he belonged.

Bottom three: Jennifer Hudson, Camile, Diana. While everyone is waiting for John to be out, they don't seem to be voting for Diana, so she's out.

PS. Matt would have done well tonight.


Posted by: SammyTerry

I just don't understand how anyone could like Fantasia Burrito, her voice sounds like nails on a chalkboard to me. I put her at the bottom right above John Stevens.


Posted by: Skittles

John Stevens and Jon Peter Lewis were just painful for me last night. But, John Stevens needs to go. He just seems like he really doesn't even belong in the finals round.

Now, when they do Sinatra Idol, they should give him a call...


Posted by: NJChris

The more I watch this season, the less I "feel" any of the performances. Last year just had more emotion to it. The singers last year just felt like they had more heart and you cared more about them.

I will agree Jon Stevens was at the bottom. Pop just isn't his style. Its like asking an opera singer to sing country. His style is so much a part of him that he doesn't have techniques to branch out. I don't feel the venom many of the posts show... it's not his fault he got this far.

Diana ... now I just dislike her. I need to take a shower to wash off all the sugar after she sings. And what was with the Tammy Fay look?

Fantasia - good performance but her voice is starting to really irritate me.

LaToya... I don't understand why people rank her low on here. She has such GREAT control of her voice. I think she was the only one that hit all the notes and didn't over sing or undersing.

Camille - she looked comfortable finally. I'd like her to stay to see if she can improve. I like to root for the underdog, tho I don't see her as winning.

JPL - I thought the PERFORMANCE was good - his singing seems limited.

George Huff - while I think he did really good, I need to take a Dramamine while watching him bounce up and down.

Jasmine - I really want her to do good, but she was off key. Great presence on stage.

Amy - I still think she's pretty good. Her personality always makes me smile..she's fun.

Ok, my biggest complaint... THOSE BACKGROUND VOCALS. They need to lower them.. they were SO LOUD that you couldn't hear the singer. Whoever is in charge of sound levels needs to watch one of the shows.. it really ruins some of the performances.


Posted by: brott

quote:
Originally posted by NJChris
Ok, my biggest complaint... THOSE BACKGROUND VOCALS. They need to lower them.. they were SO LOUD that you couldn't hear the singer. Whoever is in charge of sound levels needs to watch one of the shows.. it really ruins some of the performances.


Oh, without a doubt. The only good thing I can say about that is that it was better this week. Jasmine was hurt badly last week because her mic was set to level 4 while the the background was blasting at level 9. That only compounded her poor performance last week. (Jasmine did well this week, I thought).


Posted by: mask2343

I thought the background singers were set to 11. 11 is higher than 10. ;)


Posted by: Dafaso

From best to worst:

Fantasia Barrino - Great performance tonight. Her voice is unique - you either like it or you don't.

George Huff - I like him more and more each week. His best performance yet. I just keep waiting for him to mess up but he doesn't.

LaToya London - Wasn't her best performance, but still better than most of the others.

Diana DiGarmo - She's got a good voice, but just too much spunk for my taste.

Jennifer Hudson - Her voice is also great, just bring it all down a couple of notches and she'll be terrific. Too much gospel, not enough pop. Less is more for her.

Jasmine Trias - Nice performance but lacked 'soul.' I'm liking her less each week.

Amy Adams - OK, she had one really good week (country), and now she's back to being mediocre.

Camille Velasco - I really think if she could conquer her nerves, she'll be much better.

John Peter Lewis - Has charisma, but a crappy voice. And I'm getting tired of his charisma.

John Stevens - Holy cow! That was probably the worst performance in the history of the show!


Posted by: cpalma

What LoadStar said. Except I like Fantasia and thought she was great last night.


Posted by: cpalma

quote:
Originally posted by NJChris
Camille - she looked comfortable finally. I'd like her to stay to see if she can improve. I like to root for the underdog, tho I don't see her as winning.


I totally disagree. I could see her mentally counting the steps...
one, two, three...turn. one, two three...throw left hand up., etc. It was distracting to me.

quote:
Originally posted by NJChris Ok, my biggest complaint... THOSE BACKGROUND VOCALS. They need to lower them.. they were SO LOUD that you couldn't hear the singer. Whoever is in charge of sound levels needs to watch one of the shows.. it really ruins some of the performances.


I thought the same thing through the first few performers, then I noticed LaToya, Fantasia, George, Diana and Jasmine, didn't have that problem this week. Either someone in the back is playing with the volume or it just proves who has power in their voices and who doesn't.


Posted by: YCantAngieRead

What crap. I really don't know why I keep watching this show, but I do. Here's my take, not in any order because I stole the list from someone else-I can't remember names very well...:
Fantasia Barrino - Quit. Singing. From. Your. Sinuses. PLEASE.
George Huff - Can't stand him. I don't know WHAT the judges saw in him last night-maybe that he was the only one on pitch for most of the song.
LaToya London - She gets all the compliments, but I still see her off pitch too much.
Diana DiGarmo - Forgettable in that I did. I think she's got potential in general, though.
Jennifer Hudson - Holy crap someone work with her on her facial expressions.
Jasmine Trias - Just...eh.
Amy Adams - Not right for this competition-too many off-pitch moments.
Camille Velasco - Not enough voice, not enough presence.
John Peter Lewis - Too much presence, crappy voice. Terrible, terrible face for TV.
John Stevens - Off-pitch. He should try some other genre, country perhaps. He's a good vocalist but pop isn't a fit for him.

I don't care who leaves, they were all sub-par last night. Not one I'd even download illegally, let alone buy an album from.

And I'm wondering if the backup band messed up the performers, they were all so universally off-pitch and almost drowned out by the band.


Posted by: billypritchard

Bottom 3 - Camille, Red, J-Hud
Top 3 - LaToya, George, Fantasia

Out - Please, oh please - Camille. I can't take it anymore. Red is bad, but in an enjoyable way...


Posted by: KRS

When Hudson started in on "Heatwave," I was hoping that they would put her in front of flame graphics so that Simon could make anopther Burger King commercial comment!


And to echo what YCantAngieRead said, it is a sad state of affairs that half of the finalists sing through their noses.

Simon's Leno comment made up for an otherwise ghastly show.


Posted by: drumorgan

Did you notice how the judges loved Jasmine last week, and comments here were that her only redeeming factor was holding that final note. And, this week, Randy said that exact thing. "Hey, that last note was the only good thing about your performance"

You think Randy is reading this forum to figure out what to say about the contestants? ;)


Posted by: mask2343

Oh, how quickly we went from "Best Final 12 Ever" to "I won't download them illegally". Last night was an off night IMO.


Posted by: DLiquid

Finally, a live band in the finals. They should do that every week.

This group is rather sucky, how did they make it to the finals? I think the only ones worthy of winning it are LaToya and Fantasia. I like George but he's too goofy. Jasmine is okay but has pitch problems every week. The rest are just weak. :down:

quote:
Originally posted by mask2343
Oh, how quickly we went from "Best Final 12 Ever" to "I won't download them illegally".
I think that collectively they are a better final 12 than last season. Last season had some really bad singers in the finals. But last season also had some great singers. There's no one this time with the kind of spark that Clay had.


Posted by: mask2343

But after Week 1, I was thinking I would buy about 5 CD's from this group. I haven't (and probably won't) bought Clay or Ruben.

I'm just hoping we let these guys sing some newer songs. Motown is great, but it sounds like kareokee when people try to sing it.


Posted by: DLiquid

quote:
Originally posted by mask2343
I'm just hoping we let these guys sing some newer songs. Motown is great, but it sounds like kareokee when people try to sing it.
I agree, if they're looking for a pop star, why in the world are they having them sing songs written before they were born? I can think of two answers:
1) Licensing fees: This is not a good reason, since this is the #1 show, right? Why be cheap?
2) To appeal to the mass audience: Most people know these songs, whereas if they started singing newer pop songs then the older audience might turn the channel.

Neither of those are very good reasons, if you ask me. Still, if all they sang was Britney, Justin, and Christina songs, I probably wouldn't watch.


Posted by: David Platt

quote:
Originally posted by DLiquid
Finally, a live band in the finals. They should do that every week.


They do have a live band every week, don't they? Or was that just for the elimination episodes before they went live?


Posted by: scottjf8

My 2 cents : John Stevens goes tonight, and Jasmine will win it all.. she's got a great voice and she's beautiful


Posted by: LoadStar

quote:
Originally posted by David Platt
They do have a live band every week, don't they? Or was that just for the elimination pisodes before they went live?


That was just for the elimination episodes, as best as I can tell. When they moved from the FOX backlot stage (the small one with the Coca-Cola Red Room) to the CBS stage (the big one with the JumboTron) it seems they dropped the live band... at least, they don't appear anywhere on screen.

As for why do motown, country, etc - I can think of a few reasons:
- demonstrates the singers versatility to handle not just the top 40 pop songs but the ability to comptetently sing other genres well
- gives the judges a familiar baseline to compare the singer's performance to
- licensing is probably lower
- makes for TV that appeals to a broader audience


Posted by: ced6

quote:
Originally posted by DLiquid
I think that collectively they are a better final 12 than last season. Last season had some really bad singers in the finals. But last season also had some great singers. There's no one this time with the kind of spark that Clay had.


If by spark, you mean those hip shakes he did last year that made me sick to my stomach, I'm glad that no one has it this time around! :)


Posted by: suzyq

My bottom 3: John Stevens, JPL and Camille

America's bottom 3: John Stevens, Camille and Amy (those girls love JPL!)

In both cases, John Stevens goes home.


Posted by: markp99

quote:
Originally posted by scottjf8
Jasmine will win it all.. she's got a great voice and she's beautiful

Latoya is quite easy to look at too... :)


Posted by: TonyD79

quote:
Originally posted by NJChris
Ok, my biggest complaint... THOSE BACKGROUND VOCALS. They need to lower them.. they were SO LOUD that you couldn't hear the singer. Whoever is in charge of sound levels needs to watch one of the shows.. it really ruins some of the performances.


That is why I adjust my home theater surround settings (Yamaha) to a setting that accents the vocals. And I use the same setting for all the performances. I want to hear the vocals, not the band (like Paula Abdul must've been listening to).


Posted by: YCantAngieRead

quote:
Oh, how quickly we went from "Best Final 12 Ever" to "I won't download them illegally". Last night was an off night IMO.

Just for the record, I've never liked many of the final 12. I would have made the downloading them statement back during the selection rounds. So don't take my comment to be indicative of other peoples' statements-while I've never really liked any of them, other people have.

If last night was an off night, then they're having an off year. I haven't watched previous incarnations of AI (another reason I'd never say "The Best Final 12 Ever") but I'm hoping there was a least a little light of talent in them-I'm just not seeing it in these kids.

On to other matters...did anyone else notice when...maybe LaToya was getting ready to get her comments from the judges, someone said "Get him out of there" or "Get him off there"? I was wondering what we missed-they then went to an extended shot of the judges so I was wondering if someone climbed onstage or something.


Posted by: DLiquid

quote:
Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
On to other matters...did anyone else notice when...maybe LaToya was getting ready to get her comments from the judges, someone said "Get him out of there" or "Get him off there"? I was wondering what we missed-they then went to an extended shot of the judges so I was wondering if someone climbed onstage or something.
And right after that, before the commercial break, wasn't Seacrest laughing at Paula, mumbling something under his breath. The camera was fixed on Seacrest and we didn't get to see the judges. That whole two minutes of the show was kind of weird.


Posted by: TomK

My goodness, America is getting stupider and stupider. I may not watch it next week.


Posted by: Turtleboy

WTF is up with that bottom 3?

Latoya??!!!

No John Stevens or Camille??!!


Posted by: TonyD79

Simon said it. When you let America vote, you live with the consequences.

Amy had maybe the best performance of the last two weeks last week. And was decent this week.

LaToya is the best in the group in my opinion and while Jennifer may make funny faces when she sings, she can sang!

Funny how they kept showing John Stephens. Think the director has an opinion of the results?


Posted by: TomK

It has to be the teenage girls that are keeping John Stevens and JPL on the show. They probably make up over half of the viewing audience and those two guys get a lot of their votes. It's too bad that they don't deserve it. What a crock tonight.


Posted by: LoadStar

I think actually Amy was just average this week. I put her as my surprise pick actually because of her performance last week... she was so good last week, that her performance this week didn't look nearly as good.

Well... I guess the surprise is on me... turns out that she was actually the only one I predicted.

Neither of the other two that SHOULD have been down there were down there. LaToya did GREAT this week... I honestly don't understand that one. Jennifer - I kind of understand her being down there, but not instead of Camille or John Stevens. Ugh.

Well... at least now Amy can move on with her country career. :)


Posted by: TonyD79

quote:
Originally posted by TomK
It has to be the teenage girls that are keeping John Stevens and JPL on the show.


I can seep JPL and the muppet look being popular with the teen girls but John Stevens? If that is what is popular these days, I want to be a teen again. I would be gold today!

Maybe it is the older folks who want a crooner?


Posted by: JerryK

Was this the April Fools edition of American Idol? I can't believe that Howdy Doody and The Crocodile Hunter are still in there. Go figure.


Posted by: TomK

Howdy Doody - you nailed him.


Posted by: TonyD79

Howdy Doody could dance better!


Posted by: NJChris

Wow.... Amy was so much better than half of them. And Latoya in the bottom 3? Now that's just moronic.

It's really getting silly because all the teen girls are voting for Jon and John (I don't see George getting a teen vote - he just looks too old compared to them).

They aren't voting for who they think is best, just who they think it cute. And probably because they are on TV and are close to their age, they vote for them.

Makes me care that much less for this season. Tho, I did feel bad for Jon Stevens.. he seemed like he really knew he should have gone. It's not his fault he's still there. You could just see it in his face that he knew he should have been the one to go.


Posted by: dslunceford

Utter cr@p...


Posted by: mooseAndSquirrel

quote:
Originally posted by NJChris
Tho, I did feel bad for Jon Stevens.. he seemed like he really knew he should have gone. It's not his fault he's still there. You could just see it in his face that he knew he should have been the one to go.

I get the feeling that he's dreading having to sing next week. I think he was looking forward to being put out of his misery.


Posted by: TonyD79

I prefer to think that he is a nice kid who knows that Amy went when it should have been him. Simple guilt.


Posted by: CatBurger00

Wow. I knew the "America votes" logic was flawed since last season, but seriously. John Stevens should have been gone...and wasnt even in the bottom three. Cmon, America! Get real!


Posted by: TonyD79

I have said it before and will say it again.

Rather than having America vote "for" anyone, they should have America vote "against" (the Survivor model).

When you vote for and you have 10 contestants, the lower rung is at something like 1 or 2 percent. Easy for it to get wrong that way. If America was voting contestants off, then JS would be long gone tonight.


Posted by: scottjf8

America - the same idiots that voted for Ruben over Clay last year..


Posted by: jsmeeker

oh well.. She would not have made it to the final two anyway.


Posted by: Todd

Good grief...why didn't one of the Jo(h)ns go?? Frankly, I'm not sure I see an "idol" amongst any of these...


Posted by: Turtleboy

I really thought that with 20 million votes, the preteens girls would be filtered out.

I guess not.


Posted by: CatBurger00

Agreed...the voting against method would work much better. Also, something needs to be done when it gets down to only a few contestants left...the phone lines should never be busy, much less ALL the time during voting hours. There's no way to have an accurate vote then. (Why Clay lost last year)


Posted by: MarkofT

LaToya was in the bottom 3 because she was early in the show and had a rather quiet and downtempo number. Was was the last quiet and downtempo pop song you heard?

I think people are picking up on Jennifer's general attitude and they are not really liking it.


Posted by: faerie

Unbelievable. John or Camille should have gone home. but for neither of them to even be in the bottom 3?!?! something's wrong with the way this show works.


Posted by: Groucho

This isn't a "Lesser of all Evils" contest, it's a contest to find the most popular singer. You can't do that with negative voting.


Posted by: bdowell

quote:
Originally posted by TonyD79
I have said it before and will say it again.

Rather than having America vote "for" anyone, they should have America vote "against" (the Survivor model).

When you vote for and you have 10 contestants, the lower rung is at something like 1 or 2 percent. Easy for it to get wrong that way. If America was voting contestants off, then JS would be long gone tonight.


Exactly!!

Let us VOTE OFF candidates, and that popularity contest aspect will be gone.

America is smart enough to vote against poor performers. If only the producers of the show would let us (you'd think they'd figure it out, since it would mean more records sold for whomever wins the contest)



Finally, btw, I am really hopeful that the producers were putting subliminal messages over John Steven's face when they showed his surprised self still sitting there so many times while Amy was getting booted.

A simple: I AM A LOSER - DO NOT VOTE FOR ME should have helped :D


Posted by: bdowell

quote:
Originally posted by Groucho
This isn't a "Lesser of all Evils" contest, it's a contest to find the most popular singer. You can't do that with negative voting.


Uh, tell that to the people behind Nashville Star. They sure are able to do it.

Seriously, it can be done with negative voting. Americans are smart enough to figure that out. They will vote (by and large) against bad performers, and those same bad performers will wind up not selling their records anyway.


Posted by: nyny523

Nashville Star works the same way as AI - you vote for who you like best, not who you want booted - the difference is the talent pool is stronger, and there is no age limit for the contestants - so you have people of all ages watching and performing - the cream does seem to rise to the top on that show.

I have to say I was SHOCKED with last nights results on AI - granted, Amy wouldn't have made it too much further, but really - LaToya in the bottom 3? And John Stevens NOT? It has to be the 12 year olds doing the voting!


Posted by: mask2343

Ok, LaToya in the bottom three was stupid. But Amy and Jeniffer? I can live with that. They have no shot at winning anyway and they are similar to EVERY other female AI singer the past 2 years. Bring something new to the table, and you'll make it. That is why George, JPL, and Fantasia are gonna be around for awhile. And my goodness does Jeniffer annoy me with (not to mention the faces she makes).

quote:
Just for the record, I've never liked many of the final 12. I would have made the downloading them statement back during the selection rounds.


Angie, I wasn't just talking about you with that statement. I felt the same way. I thought the first week that there were about 6 great singers. Not feeling it so much anymore.


Posted by: cpalma

Those same 12 year olds kept Josh Gracin through to almost the end last season!!! Someone needs to take the phones away from those 12 year olds!!

I do think, however, that people think 'we won't vote for xx (LaToya in this week's case) because everyone is voting for him/her'. When in reality, this just means xx doesn't get votes that week and winds up in the bottom 3.

Easier said than done though. While I watch and will even admit to people that I watch, I have never voted and probably won't ever vote.


Posted by: FourFourSeven

quote:
Originally posted by bdowell
Exactly!!

Let us VOTE OFF candidates, and that popularity contest aspect will be gone.


One huge problem with this - you'll end up with the blandest singers at the end. Fantasia, for example, is one of the most talented performers left. However, judging by this board, there's a sizable percentage that really don't like her (I'm not one of them - in my opinion she deserves to win). She'd probably go early with a "vote off candidate" model, because of the large contingent that really doesn't like her. This is despite the fact that there's also another large contingent that thinks she's the best.

Remember the first Big Brother? America got to vote off people, and all the controversial people went first. The show got incredibly boring.

If America got to vote people off on Survivor? (I know, impossible, as it's all taped beforehand, but go with me on this.) Richard Hatch would have been gone early in season 1. Johnny Fairplay would have gone early in season 2. How boring would that have been?

Voting off wouldn't work.


Posted by: Groucho

I think Josh Gracin made it as far as he did due to misplaced patriotism, rather than 12-year-old girls.


Posted by: suzyq

So, how does the voting work? Can you vote more than once from the same phone, for the same contestant or multiple contestants? Or, are you limited to one vote per phone? Just curious.


Posted by: WinBear

You can vote as often as you like. I'm sure some geeks have wardialers to help their favorites along. You can also text the word "Vote" to the last 4 digits of the contestant's phone number from your AT&T Wireless cell phone. This can get you "signed up" for other wireless activities in conjunction with Idol.


Posted by: joeinma

John Stevens must have naked pictures of every one in American, why else would people keep voting for him? He has no range in songs, they are all "I think I'm in the 1950's crooner stage" slow, songs. If I have to watch him snap his fingers one more week. I also that during the group song and dance numbers, he tends to be in the back of the group a lot...AI trying to hide him since he cannot dance or sing a fast song?

It looked like the AI crew knew he should have been gone last night since his was the only face they kept showing when they 3 lowest vote getters where announced. He even looked like he knew it should be him. I was waiting for him to stand up and say "take me instead".

I definitely think Jasmine Trias was the best performance this week, Fantasia was good, but not better then Jasmine, yet the judges again acted like Fantasia gave the best performance in the history of music.

My bottom three this week:
1. John Stevens
2. John Stevens
3. John Stevens


Posted by: amtsuchida

Remember that John S is still in HS. He has a whole school of kids with nothing better to do than keep dialing over and over and over.


Posted by: CatBurger00

A HS full of kids isnt going to make much of a difference, even this early into the top 12.


Posted by: ThomasDrew

Oh my god, America HAS REALLY LOST IT.

Okay, what's wrong with this picture?

John Peter Lewis
John Stevens
Camille Velasco

All of the aforementioned contestants not only received a sufficient amount of votes to remain in the competition, they amassed enough to avoid the "bottom three".

Unacceptable.

Amy Adams, on her "worst" week is FAR, far superior to any of the three that somehow managed to avoid elimination. While I didn't expect her to win AI, it would not have surprised me to see her last until the final five or so. In my opinion, Amy was in the lower tier of the "haves" versus the "have-nots"

Haves: Fantasia, Latoya, Jasmine, Diana, Amy, George
Have-nots: Jennifer, Camille, Jon Peter Lewis, John Stevens

I loved the reaction of the judges, particularly Paula, who seemed adamant that America had simply gotten it wrong.

Simon, as usual, was priceless. "When you let America vote...."

With so much in terms of time, money and other resources going into artists development (after an AI win) what the HELL would the producers do if someone like John Stevens won this thing?

Kelly Clarkson, Tamyra Gray, Kimberley Locke, Ruben Studdard, Clay Aiken................and John Stevens?

At first, I never thought something like that could happen....but now, who knows? It's apparently turned into a popularity competition...and a battle of who can overload the phone lines.

Sad.


Posted by: Falconeer999

quote:
With so much in terms of time, money and other resources going into artists development (after an AI win) what the HELL would the producers do if someone like John Stevens won this thing?


Actually, I think at the end of last season during the Ruben/Clay "controversy", someone posted a copy of the contract the contestants sign and there was a clause to the effect that the producers get the ultimate decision on the winner. I'll have to poke around and see if I can find a link to the contract to get the exact wording.

Also during that controversy, as someone else asked about, there were several comments made about people "wardialing" to vote for people. If I remember correctly, there were approximately 900 votes recorded from Ruben's mom's cell phone.

I was just baffled that John Stevens wasn't even in the bottom 3, never mind booted off. That performance was absolutely horrible. I was ready for one of the judges to ring a gong or something to get him to stop. You can defintely tell the director thought, and John Stevens thought, that he should have been the one to go.


Posted by: YCantAngieRead

One thing that annoyed the living crap outta me last night was all the pointless closeups of John Stevens, like the last poster mentioned. Sure, he kind of sucks in this genre, we all know he should have gone home yesterday, but good god. I don't need to be beaten over the head with shots of him while Amy was being booted. That was reason enough for me to consider not watching next week. AI producers: WE'RE NOT STUPID.

Amy has been less than stellar through this whole thing. I thought she'd be gone last week, so I wasn't surprised that she went this week.

But I'm not sure I understood the other two in the bottom three. LaToya hasn't really lived up to her billing, sure, but...not badly enough for the bottom three. The other one, she's got a good voice but is hard to watch...but again, not badly enough that she should be in the bottom three.


Posted by: YCantAngieRead

quote:
And right after that, before the commercial break, wasn't Seacrest laughing at Paula, mumbling something under his breath. The camera was fixed on Seacrest and we didn't get to see the judges. That whole two minutes of the show was kind of weird.

Thank goodness. I thought I was the only one who noticed that bit of odd energy to the show. Whew. Wonder what happened.


Posted by: mask2343

quote:
Kelly Clarkson, Tamyra Gray, Kimberley Locke, Ruben Studdard, Clay Aiken................and John Stevens?


What, no love for Justin Guarini? Nikki McKibbin?


Posted by: MarkofT

During the first AI show I seem to recall news articles which mentioned that if they get an inordinate amount of calls from one number they will exclude those numbers from the vote and contact the owner and let them know not to abuse their phone systems. Anyone with access to a PBX can easily generate thousands of calls within the voting period.

The finals are all about song selection, luck of the draw and performance skills. Just being a good singer isn't going to cut it.


Posted by: TonyD79

quote:
Originally posted by MarkofT
I think people are picking up on Jennifer's general attitude and they are not really liking it.


What Jennifer's attitude?

Would that be the one that changed her wardrobe when the judges made fun of it? Or the one where she adjusted the power in her voice when the judges said she was oversinging? Or would that be the attitude that she changed her hairstyle when she was made out to be a choir singer?

I think you are thinking of FANTASIA's attitude.


Posted by: cmgal

I think they need to limit the voting to one per phone number like TS-Home Edition does.


Posted by: justapixel

I wonder if teenage girls are actually the ones voting on this show. My sampling is limited, but I have a teenage son and he refuses to watch the show. His girlfriend won't watch it, and apparently nobody in his high school talks about it. AI seems to be considered another "old people's show."

And, when you see who goes to the Idol concerts, it's apparently mostly middle-aged people, not teenagers.

If you start thinking that people in their 60s are watching this show, it starts to make sense that Jon Stevens is going to get votes. He reminds grandma of her youth, or something like that. I can't imagine any modern day teenager girl finding him worth voting for.


Posted by: suzyq

quote:
Originally posted by justapixel
I wonder if teenage girls are actually the ones voting on this show. My sampling is limited, but I have a teenage son and he refuses to watch the show. His girlfriend won't watch it, and apparently nobody in his high school talks about it. AI seems to be considered another "old people's show."

And, when you see who goes to the Idol concerts, it's apparently mostly middle-aged people, not teenagers.

If you start thinking that people in their 60s are watching this show, it starts to make sense that Jon Stevens is going to get votes. He reminds grandma of her youth, or something like that. I can't imagine any modern day teenager girl finding him worth voting for.


I totally agree with you Ann. I think it's the older generation keeping some of these kids alive in the competition. I think I remember hearing that Clay had a huge middle-aged and older fan base.

And, I agree with cmgal in that voting should be limited to one vote per phone #. It just seems to level the playing field.


Posted by: dschwab

quote:
Originally posted by TonyD79
What Jennifer's attitude?

Would that be the one that changed her wardrobe when the judges made fun of it? Or the one where she adjusted the power in her voice when the judges said she was oversinging? Or would that be the attitude that she changed her hairstyle when she was made out to be a choir singer?

I think you are thinking of FANTASIA's attitude.


At times, Jennifer carries herself like she has an attitude. I think it is more that she is maybe a bit shy or uncomfortable, but it sometimes comes across as having a poor attitude. For example, when Seacrest went into his usual "and we'll find out who America has chosed...after the break", Jennifer made a face and a head movement like "can we just get this over with" but it looked bad. Had she done the same thing with a smile, it would have been interpreted differently. I've picked up on several of these types of things where an expression or lack of expression makes her come across differently than perhaps she means it to. I chalk it up to her being uncomfortable at times, but I can easily see people interpreting it as having a poor attitude.


Posted by: TonyD79

dschwab, you are nitpicking. Gimme a break. There is no attitude there. She has dramatically shown that she responds to criticism by adjusting. I remember someone who did that last year. Something of a name like Clay something or other.


Posted by: jschuman

quote:
Originally posted by suzyq
And, I agree with cmgal in that voting should be limited to one vote per phone #. It just seems to level the playing field.


But then how could Fox make their claims about how many MILLIONS of fans voted? ;)

I think we just need to accept the fact that the voting is flawed - once the show became very, very popular it ceased being a "talent" contest.


Posted by: ThomasDrew

From MSN.com

...."But don't be surprised if, advancing far into the competition with her, is John Stevens. Stevens is a redheaded kid who, with the innocent squinch of his pale face and his preference for Sinatra, appears to have time-traveled to his Idol audition from 1954. He's inspired a passionate following despite the fact that he can't, actually … what's the word I'm looking for? … sing. Indeed, his thin crooning relies on his retro appearance and his swingin' moves to maintain the pretense that he's singing and not just talking funny."



Allow me to repeat this line:

"He's inspired a passionate following despite the fact that he can't, actually … what's the word I'm looking for? … sing."

Enough Said!!!!


Posted by: dschwab

Tony, again, I don't believe that she has a poor attitude, and I do realize that she has made changes that have been recommended via constructive criticism. But people definitely form impressions of other people based on body language, and Jennifer's body language, which I believe is shyness and/or uncomfortableness, could definitely be interpreted as a poor attitude.


Posted by: etexlady

I thought the judges looked stunned when the three with the least votes were lined up. I thought it strange they were asked if they believed the "correct" three people were up there when that question has not been posed previously. Maybe the judges should have an individual vote, one per judge or one for them all (imagine them trying to come to consensus!), which makes their selection "immune" from elimination. Maybe that would "protect" the more talented but less "popular" contestants. However, I don't always agree with the judges' criticism so I probably would be unhappy with that strategy as well.


Posted by: FourFourSeven

quote:
Originally posted by ThomasDrew
Haves: Fantasia, Latoya, Jasmine, Diana, Amy, George
Have-nots: Jennifer, Camille, Jon Peter Lewis, John Stevens


We had a similar opinion:

Worthy of the top twelve: Fantasia, Latoya, Jasmine, maybe George
Worthy of the top thirty-two: Amy, Diana, Jennifer
Unworthy of making it past the auditions: Camille, Jon Peter Lewis, Jon (Archie Andrews) Stevens

Ah, well - it makes for better television! And Latoya and Jennifer are completely safe next week - anyone who sort of likes them is going to vote. Amy wasn't going to win the whole thing, so it ultimately was no big deal.


Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by TonyD79
I have said it before and will say it again.

Rather than having America vote "for" anyone, they should have America vote "against" (the Survivor model).

When you vote for and you have 10 contestants, the lower rung is at something like 1 or 2 percent. Easy for it to get wrong that way. If America was voting contestants off, then JS would be long gone tonight.



If anything, I'd like to see the judges actually do something. Each one picks a person to be ejected and America votes for one of the three. One with most votes gets booted. No judge may pick the same person more than twice.

Of course, Fox would lose the suspense filled moments where Tivo users FF through.


Posted by: Lori

I'm totally in like with Jon Peter.

He's my American Idol boyfriend. :)


Posted by: CatBurger00

Don't get too comfy with the "American Idol" title on him.


Posted by: mask2343

I can't stand Jeniffer either. Obnoxious faces and body language. Like she can't believe America doesn't like her.

I'm not a teenage girl (25 year old straight male), but there's something about JPL that I enjoy. He probably won't win, but I'm still waiting for him to break out a good vocal performance like he did as the "pen salesman" in Hawaii.


Posted by: Dafaso

According to AOL's unscientific on-line poll of "Who should be the ultimate winner?"

Fantasia Barrino 20%

LaToya London 19%

George Huff 18%

Jasmine Trias 16%

Diana DeGarmo 11%

Jon Peter Lewis 5%

John Stevens 5%

Camile Velasco 3%

Jennifer Hudson 2%


I actually like Jennifer. She's not my favorite, but I'd say she's my 3rd fave - behind Latoya and Fantasia.


Posted by: NJChris

I don't like Jennifer for some reason.

Oh - look at the last show.. she was HUGE standing next to Ryan.


Posted by: DLiquid

The thing about the voting is, when someone gives a horrible performance (John Stevens), and the judges give brutal criticisms, I think that actually helps them to get more votes. When someone gives a decent performance (LaToya, Amy), and the judges give forgettable comments, they get fewer votes.

If instead, we were voting against the contestants, this wouldn't be the case. Brutal criticisms would cause more votes against that person, and decent performances would again get fewer votes because they were forgettable. It's a bizarre situation, but I really think the bad performances would tend to get more votes than okay performances regardless of whether we're voting for or against the contestants.

As for the camera focusing on John S., you can see that they're setting up the voting results show for dramatic impact. They paired the worst performer (John S.) with the biggest surprise bottom three contestant (LaToya), so that we (and John S.) would all be shocked. Then they put the camera on John S. all the time to capitalize on his shocked reaction. They did beat us over the head with it, I agree, but it's not like this wasn't carefully planned in advance of the show.




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