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The Masters, Final Round
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Posted by: RegBarc

Who are you rooting for? Phil Mickleson has got my vote, and Tiger Woods is finally in a position for which he deserves...that's what you get when you're swing is wicked for a few years.

Posted by: JimSpence

Well, Phil birdied the last hole to finally get the monkey off his back. There was a lot of action in this final round. Two holes-in-one on #16 ten minutes apart, Ernie Els hitting for two eagles and Phil not giving in and making 31 on the back nine. Way to go Phil.

And, the HD presentation was great and I like the fact that there were virtually no commercials during the whole thing.

Posted by: IJustLikeTivo

I pretty much got what I wanted. How he did it is beyond me. I was hardly able to watch, I have no idea how he lived it and still was able to perform.

As for Tiger, I pretty much agree. It is pretty clear that "My game is almost there" which is what he has been saying for a year or more. He had a very unreliable swing right now, the sooner he figures that out the better off he will be. Now, from my perspective, I'd be pretty happy if he did not fix his game since I want Jack to continue to have the lifetime record for majors.

Jack did it while having all the distractions of family and trying to make a living. Today, no one in the top 125 really has any money worries and they get to make a huge living by walking in a park. In the old days, 50 and 60 when Jack and Arnie really changed things, the pro's all had winter jobs as club pros to make a living. I think everyone playing golf now should give Arnie 10% of what they make as tribute to him making it possible for them to live the cushy lifestyle they live now.

BTW, way to go PHIL!!!! I'm sure many more will follow now that he knows he can win!

Posted by: midas

What a fantastic tournament. I counted Phil out so many times that I just can't believe he did it. I don't think I've been so drained after watching a golf tournament. I know many people find it boring. But this was a real thriller with a storybook ending.

Nobody is more agressive. Nobody is more capable of really screwing things up. And nobody is more deserving. :up:

Posted by: ADG

2 holes in one in back to back groups at 16, 2 eagles on the back nine for Els, and Mickleson sinks a birdie putt on 18 to win his first major. Not a bad finish :)

Posted by: joegolf68

quote:
Originally posted by IJustLikeTivo
I pretty much got what I wanted. How he did it is beyond me. I was hardly able to watch, I have no idea how he lived it and still was able to perform.

As for Tiger, I pretty much agree. It is pretty clear that "My game is almost there" which is what he has been saying for a year or more. He had a very unreliable swing right now, the sooner he figures that out the better off he will be. Now, from my perspective, I'd be pretty happy if he did not fix his game since I want Jack to continue to have the lifetime record for majors.

Jack did it while having all the distractions of family and trying to make a living. Today, no one in the top 125 really has any money worries and they get to make a huge living by walking in a park. In the old days, 50 and 60 when Jack and Arnie really changed things, the pro's all had winter jobs as club pros to make a living. I think everyone playing golf now should give Arnie 10% of what they make as tribute to him making it possible for them to live the cushy lifestyle they live now.

BTW, way to go PHIL!!!! I'm sure many more will follow now that he knows he can win!

Man, the pressure Phil must have felt. Two great people at the end, which is really nice to see (try that in basketball, lol). Ernie is also a real class act, but I was rooting for Phil all the way.

Yes, Jack had distractions, but I respectfully add another view. Jack had money early and knew he was playing for records and decided to make the majors everything in his life. Honestly, today, unknowns give the big boys more of a challenge for just the reason you gave... money! In the old days, Jack could go after it all, while so many in the top ten were simply wanting to finish high so they could make some cash to continue their careers. That makes the rookies and younger players so much more dangerous, they don't have to play it safe.

I agree that every pro today should thank Arnie for part of their paycheck. In the pest few years, Tiger has been responsible for purses skyrocketing, as well as TV ratings. I also want Jack's records to stand and have Tiger not get it all back, at leapt too soon.

This will be a back nine to remember for a long time. Great entertainment, great sportsmanship, great viewing. Glad I watched!

:)

Posted by: jd45

Hey how about a little warning on the thread. Spoiler.This is not the first time a sports spoiler would of been nice.

Posted by: RegBarc

When you clicked on it, what did you expect? To describe how each hole is laid out? Simmer.

Posted by: etexlady

I also was really glad to see Phil win the Masters. Wonder what the reporters are going to ask him from now on since he has won a "Major". And, if anyone thinks watching golf is boring, they didn't watch this tournament! Down to the last hole and the last player. Thank you CBS for carrying it wire to wire with few commercial interruptions.

I think Tiger has grown a little too big for his britches in the last few years. All that arm pumping arragance and his potty mouth turn me off. It is not all his fault, however, as the media absolutely drool and swoon with admiration whenever he picks up a club. Get over it already!

Posted by: jd45

You will see other post with masters in it and it will say spoiler.that is just a courteous and safe way of posting .It was my bad for clicking,I needed a safer post.

Posted by: joegolf68

quote:
Originally posted by jd45
Hey how about a little warning on the thread. Spoiler.This is not the first time a sports spoiler would of been nice.

Edited after seeing jd45's second post.

Posted by: bdowell

Forgive me please, but I just don't understand the whole spoiler mentality for a finished sporting event -- especially not one of this magnitude.

jd45, do you ignore the news all around on this type of event? Seriously, this outcome was all over the news on the net (your home page isn't MSN, ESPN, Yahoo or any number of other pages that would have sports headlines in it, was it?!?), on the TV, on the Radio, etc.

Trying to watch this sort of event delayed just doesn't make sense to me. Even if (heaven forbid) you have to work, you'd likely hear the results on the radio while driving home. And again, if you login to this site (or any other), you can't expect the rest of the world to revolve around you and not post happy congratulations to a guy that has finished as a brides maid more times than should be fair who now finally wins the big one.

If you don't want to know the results of an event/show/whatever, then put your head in the sand and don't cruise the net, for if you do, it was you that was seeking information, and then it was you that got mad when you found it before you were supposedly ready to see it.

Posted by: smak

Thank you Martha Burke for her nonsense, which allows us to see The Masters with no commercials.

There were very few commercials before the last few years, but no commercials even better.

I wonder if Phil will be to majors what David Duval was to regular tournies.

For a long time, Duvall couldn't win a tourney, he would play great, and finish a lot of 2nd's or 3rds.

He was the best player who hadn't won a tourney.

Then he won a tourney, and then won the next one and the next, 3 in a row to end the season a few years back.

-smak-

Posted by: spartanstew

Might have been the best Masters ever (for me anyway). I'm a huge Mickelson fan and as others have said, I almost counted him out on a couple of different occasions. I can't believe how well he performed to pull it out. Somewhere Payne Stewart is smiling as his premonition finally came true.

Stew

PS. Did anyone else think it was unusual the way they did the green jacket presentation? I thought they always did it on the 18th green (or somewhere outside). I don't remember it being in the butlers cabin.

Posted by: RegBarc

quote:
Originally posted by spartanstew
Somewhere Payne Stewart is smiling as his premonition finally came true.

I hear ya.

I hope Payne is happy where ever he is. Cheers to him.

Posted by: midas

quote:
Originally posted by spartanstew

PS. Did anyone else think it was unusual the way they did the green jacket presentation? I thought they always did it on the 18th green (or somewhere outside). I don't remember it being in the butlers cabin.

Apparently they did both. I saw on the local news shots of Phil receiving the jacket from Weir both in the cabin and again during an outside shot.

Posted by: Shark73

quote:
Originally posted by midas
Apparently they did both. I saw on the local news shots of Phil receiving the jacket from Weir both in the cabin and again during an outside shot.

They have done both for many years. The Butler Cabin is for us watching on live TV...the 18th green is for the patrons in attendance and the members of Augusta National.

Posted by: mask2343

Question: Will Phil still be as popular now that he isn't the "Lovable Loser" anymore? My guess is that he won't unless he continues to win majors. I just hope he doesn't go the way of David Duval.

Posted by: midas

quote:
Originally posted by mask2343
Question: Will Phil still be as popular now that he isn't the "Lovable Loser" anymore? My guess is that he won't unless he continues to win majors. I just hope he doesn't go the way of David Duval.

Well Duval's problem is physical. Unless Phil suffers a similar fate I don't see him dropping like that. Phil is really into the family thing and I think that's going to continue to fuel his popularity as time goes on. He's also not the emotionless stoic typical tour player. I actually think his popularity will increase now that he's lost the 'choker' moniker.

Posted by: MacThor

Had to go to Easter dinner last night......so glad I had TiVo for the back 9....Best golf I've seen in a long time! No bogeys by Els or Mickelson.

It was so weird -- I was clutching the peanut remote the whole time, ready to fast forward. The coverage and golf was so good, and there being NO COMMERCIALS, I never used it once!

Posted by: midas

quote:
Originally posted by MacThor
It was so weird -- I was clutching the peanut remote the whole time, ready to fast forward. The coverage and golf was so good, and there being NO COMMERCIALS, I never used it once!

I couldn't handle it at the end. Last night was taco night and it's my job to season the meat. My wife had everything else ready and was waiting for me to do my part. So after Els finished on 18 I started FF to only watch Phil's shots. When it was over I watched about 1 minute of the celebration and then turned it off. After finishing dinner I watched the rest of the post game show.

Posted by: smak

It's funny how up until yesterday, phil was a choker, couldn't win the big one, etc...and now that he has the one major win, he's got one of the best major records of the last 20 years....

I know the emphasis is on winning the majors, but if Phil had somehow placed second, wouldn't his 3-3-3-2 finishes be more impressive than somebody winning one year and then missing the cut the next 2 years...

-smak-

Posted by: MacThor

quote:
Originally posted by smak
I know the emphasis is on winning the majors, but if Phil had somehow placed second, wouldn't his 3-3-3-2 finishes be more impressive than somebody winning one year and then missing the cut the next 2 years...

-smak-

IMO, yes. And so would his wallet. :)

Posted by: tem

I was screaming for Mickelson to win. It's great that he finally did it. I thought the putt that gave him the most confidence was the birdie on 12 after hearing Els make eagle and go up 3. that was a MUST MAKE putt both scoring-wise and confidence-wise.

Best. Masters. Ever.

Posted by: midas

What I really found interesting were Phil's comments after the round Saturday. He talked about how great it was to finally be in a position where he didn't have to chase anyone on Sunday. And as it turned out, he still ended up having to chase Ernie.

Posted by: IJustLikeTivo

quote:
Originally posted by joegolf68
Yes, Jack had distractions, but I respectfully add another view. Jack had money early and knew he was playing for records and decided to make the majors everything in his life. Honestly, today, unknowns give the big boys more of a challenge for just the reason you gave... money!

agree that every pro today should thank Arnie for part of their paycheck. In the pest few years, Tiger has been responsible for purses skyrocketing, as well as TV ratings. I also want Jack's records to stand and have Tiger not get it all back, at leapt too soon.
:)

If you read Jack's book you will find the opposite to be true. While he made a good living, he was far from what they have today and had 5 kids in about 7-8 years to take care of and pay for. Jack did make some stupid business decisions including allowing a friend who ran his company to use his name as guarentor on some contracts that went bad. In the early 80's jack came close to declaring bankrupcy. Eventually, he dug his way out and paid everyone every penny, but is has been far from an easy trip. That is one reason you see him doing more endorsements now. He wants to ensure that his family and children are cared for long after he is gone.

Also, Endorsements in those days were pretty much non-existent until Mark McCormick and Arnie teamed up to pioneer the concept of sports endorsements in the late 60s.

They young guys today make big money before they do anything. Aaron Baddeley (sp?) will make far more in endorsements this year than he will ever win .

Posted by: IJustLikeTivo

quote:
Originally posted by spartanstew
Might have been the best Masters ever (for me anyway). I'm a huge Mickelson fan and as others have said, I almost counted him out on a couple of different occasions. I can't believe how well he performed to pull it out. Somewhere Payne Stewart is smiling as his premonition finally came true.

Not sure what Payne premonition you mean. I do know that when he talked to Phil after winning the 2000 US Open, he told him to enjoy being a dad. Phil's first child was born days later.

For me, this was great but the best was 1986 and watching Jack stalk the leaders on the back nine. Still the best clutch performance ever especially since everyone figured he was long gone. I was watching that day and for some reason I put a tape in my VCR and recorded the whole last round. I still don't know why but I have the whole thing on tape. I watch it once in a while usually right before the masters. In looking at the nicklaus web site I noticed that he finished 6th in 1998 when he was 58. Wonder what Tiger and Phil will be able to do when they're 58? He also played in 154 consecutive majors from 1959 to 1998. Pretty amazing.

Posted by: IJustLikeTivo

quote:
Originally posted by smak
I know the emphasis is on winning the majors, but if Phil had somehow placed second, wouldn't his 3-3-3-2 finishes be more impressive than somebody winning one year and then missing the cut the next 2 years...

-smak-

Yes, but until you win, being consistent doesn't matter much. If you want consistency, check out the years from 1961 to 1982 on this page. From 1959 - 1983 he either won of finished second in at least one major per year except for 1969. Astonishing.

Nicklaus Major Championship Performance

Posted by: tjramsey

I had the rare fortune to be there. (My father works at the Masters, and has since 1986, and he is thinking of stopping after this year, so I finally made the time to go.) Guess I picked the right year to finally take him up on his invitation, huh?

I did forget to record any of it, so I'll have to order the DVD; but I was wondering, did Wittenberg get any on camera time (except for during the made for TV green jacket presentation?) On Saturday, I decided to follow Justin Leonard and Wittenberg, and was very entertained by his play. In fact, his Eagle on the 10th hole (that's right, a par 4) was the second most impressive shot I personally saw on Sat or Sunday; (Mickelson's last putt, of course being the most.) I was just curious if that made the coverage.

T.J.

Posted by: smak

I think Wittenberg got some airtime, he at least got his eagle on the highlights a few times, i'm not sure if they showed him live.

I think choi's eagle was longer than wittenberg's, but you probably didn't see that one.

Golf is a weird sport to see live, i went to the Nissan Open a few times, and i'm sure the buzz on the course is nowhere near the Masters, but when you hear gigantic roars from other holes, and don't know what the hell happened it's strange.

I wonder, do any tournies do any small radio broadcasts that you can pick up near the course?

Also, i do think today's players have it a lot easier than they did 30-40 years ago. Tiger and a lot of the younger players are set financially for a very long time. They can afford to play a little more agressively where 1 or 2 strokes doesn't mean not having dinner on the table the next night.

Tiger started playing agressive from day one, he already had 10's of millions in the bank before he took his first stroke.

-smak-

Posted by: Rangers4me

Duval and Mickelson are two totally different personalities. Duval is jerk. I went to the Buick Classic in Westchester, and when asking Duval for an autograph he said "I don't have time for this" in an extremely mean when and left without signing. I asked Mickelson for an autograph at the putting green, he said he would sign for me after the round. Sure enough he did. Other really nice guys were Fred Couples, Dennis Paulson, Ernie Els, Rich Beem (threw me a golf ball), and Billy Andrae (had a conversation with him, then he gave me his glove). The jerks included Tiger, Vijay Singh, and Sigheki Maryuama.

Posted by: IJustLikeTivo

quote:
Originally posted by smak
Also, i do think today's players have it a lot easier than they did 30-40 years ago. Tiger and a lot of the younger players are set financially for a very long time. They can afford to play a little more agressively where 1 or 2 strokes doesn't mean not having dinner on the table the next night.

Tiger started playing agressive from day one, he already had 10's of millions in the bank before he took his first stroke.

-smak-

Actually, didn't he sign a contract for something like 99 Mill with Nike right after he turned pro? Set for life indeed. I LOL when I read that he showed up for his 4 day "Boot Camp" in his private jet. Don't all the recruits show up that way. ;-)

if you read Jack's or Arnie's books, you can find out that they definitely were leading a pretty hand to mouth existence at the beginning. When they were the leading money winners in the 60's for a whole year they made less thatn 100K and the guys below them made a lot less. Now, due to inflation the 321 person on the lifetime money list has over 1 Million. A very different tour for the new guys and the really owe it all to Arnie and to a lesser extent Jack.

Posted by: spartanstew

quote:
Originally posted by IJustLikeTivo
Not sure what Payne premonition you mean. I do know that when he talked to Phil after winning the 2000 US Open, he told him to enjoy being a dad. Phil's first child was born days later.

Yes, and he also told him "your time will come" or something to that effect, meaning that he will finally win a major.

Stew

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by spartanstew
Yes, and he also told him "your time will come" or something to that effect, meaning that he will finally win a major.

I think everyone had that premonition.

I'd be interested to hear where you think Payne is smiling from Stew. ;)

Posted by: spartanstew

The optimist in me would think he is smiling from Heaven. The realist in me would think he's smiling from his grave.

Stew

Posted by: xuxa

quote:
Originally posted by smak
.....

I think choi's eagle was longer than wittenberg's, but you probably didn't see that one.

Golf is a weird sport to see live, i went to the Nissan Open a few times, and i'm sure the buzz on the course is nowhere near the Masters, but when you hear gigantic roars from other holes, and don't know what the hell happened it's strange.

I wonder, do any tournies do any small radio broadcasts that you can pick up near the course?
.....

-smak-

I was there also and got to see Choi's eagle we didn't know how long it was but saw it roll onto the green. The best part was Phil and Charles Howell III teeing off on 12 had to wait until the crowd died down and begin to bow down to Choi with the crowd laughing and smiling. Then right as Phil was about to make his back swing a huge roar came up for Els eagle. He decided to go for the pin where only a few players did and most ended up in the water (Tiger included) and he nailed it and picked up the bird. It was awesome to see. Phil was relaxed and cool thoughout.

It is surprisingly easy to keep up with the play with all the leaderboards, being manual changed (which is a great touch). It is actaully very suspenseful when you here a roar and the you wait with anticipation to see the score updated on the board very quickly the old fashioned way. It just add to the feel of the tournament even more. Some cheers were just the leaderboard changing.

You can't beat $1.00 beers and sodas, and very good $1.00 sandwiches. the only brands/sponsers you see are on the players hats or bags the rest is Augusta National green, very nice.