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Jesus vs. Satan...and the winner is...
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Posted by: daveyg013

#1 Heavenboy $17,086,922
#2 Hellboy $11,100,000

Whew! It would have been a sad state of affairs if The Passion wasn't able to come back and beat out Hellboy on Easter weekend. :D

<Insert resurrection joke here>

Posted by: AJRitz

Yeah, but Heavenboy needed a holiday in his honor to come back. What would the numbers have been like on Halloween weekend?

Posted by: martinp13

And here I thought this was gonna be a South Park thread. ;)

Posted by: Hoffer

quote:
Originally posted by martinp13
And here I thought this was gonna be a South Park thread. ;)

I thought the same thing.

While I've seen 'Hellboy' and haven't seen 'Passion', I'm pretty sure I'd like 'Hellboy' better. Too much violence in 'Passion' for me. :D

Posted by: retrodog

We saw Hellboy over the weekend (Saturday). I wanted to see it on Easter Sunday but we were doing the dinner thing with friends yesterday. :(

Hellboy was pretty good. A few parts were a little slow but much of the Ron Perlman acting (depicting the character) was pretty good. Definitely plenty of room (and interest) for a sequel. :up:

I'll wait to see POtC for video. I'll probably buy it too.

Posted by: Groucho

Hellboy actually has nothing to do with Satan (or Hell, for that matter).

Posted by: SparkleMotion

Some people aren't all that certain Jesus has much to do with Heaven or a god, either. (shrug)

Posted by: retrodog

quote:
Originally posted by SparkleMotion
Some people aren't all that certain Jesus has much to do with Heaven or a god, either. (shrug)

But the thread was titled with "Jesus", not "heaven" or "God". ;)

Oh, and why was the capitalization backwards on your post?

Posted by: SparkleMotion

Because Heaven is a place name (theoretically) and I said "a god". Not THE God.

The thread WAS titled with Jesus...but it was also titled with Satan, implying that Hellboy is an agent (or possibly son of?) Beelzebub equivalent or at least similar to Jesus's association with Yahweh.

Just trying to keep an even footing for those who feel that not just one of them might be fictitious. :D

Posted by: LooseWiring

quote:
Originally posted by retrodog
But the thread was titled with "Jesus", not "heaven" or "God". ;)

Oh, and why was the capitalization backwards on your post?

He's right. Even fictional names should be capitalized.

Posted by: SparkleMotion

Again, "a god" could mean Zeus, Apollo, Siva, Galactus, Rao, Anubis, or one of hundreds of others in multiple pantheons throughout the history of the world.

Not a name, fictional or otherwise. Solely a reference to divinity in general. :)

(SIDE NOTE: Speaking of Perlman's acting, if you've never seen him as the deformed heretical hunchback in "The Name of the Rose" with Sean Connery, F. Murray Abraham, and Christian Slater (debut), you should see the DVD when you get the chance...magnificent performances all!) :up:

Posted by: retrodog

quote:
Originally posted by SparkleMotion
Again, "a god" could mean Zeus, Apollo, Siva, Galactus, Rao, Anubis, or one of hundreds of others in multiple pantheons throughout the history of the world.

Not a name, fictional or otherwise. Solely a reference to divinity in general. :)

(SIDE NOTE: Speaking of Perlman's acting, if you've never seen him as the deformed heretical hunchback in "The Name of the Rose" with Sean Connery, F. Murray Abraham, and Christian Slater (debut), you should see the DVD when you get the chance...magnificent performances all!) :up:

I had forgotten that Dave used the term "Heavenboy" in the actual post.

Posted by: daveyg013

Ha! Somehow I knew this joke would lead to some off topic debates. Actually, there wasn't much of a topic to discuss, other than a funny observation I made. I know I took some liberties with the use of the terms "Satan" and "Heavenboy", but they worked with the joke. (and yes, the Jesus vs. Satan title is an homage to South Park)

Posted by: retrodog

quote:
Originally posted by daveyg013
Ha! Somehow I knew this joke would lead to some off topic debates. Actually, there wasn't much of a topic to discuss, other than a funny observation I made. I know I took some liberties with the use of the terms "Satan" and "Heavenboy", but they worked with the joke. (and yes, the Jesus vs. Satan title is an homage to South Park)

There is only one divine truth in the HH forum... You never know (nor can you control) where your thread is gonna go. ;)

:D

Posted by: martinp13

And actually, the early South Park was Jesus versus Santa... getting into a fight over which of them was more important at Christmas. :)

Posted by: LooseWiring

Actually, you need to re-watch your SouthPark.

The Santa Vs. Jesus was the pilot episode. However, in a later season they did actually have a Satan Vs. Jesus match-up.

Posted by: SparkleMotion

quote:
Originally posted by retrodog
There is only one divine truth in the HH forum...

Ah, but what about the occasional Devine intervention? ;) :D

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Posted by: martinp13

quote:
Originally posted by LooseWiring
Actually, you need to re-watch your SouthPark.

The Santa Vs. Jesus was the pilot episode. However, in a later season they did actually have a Satan Vs. Jesus match-up.

Hmmmm... was Jesus vs Santa the pilot, or just an episode made to pitch to the networks? I wasn't sure: that's why I said "early South Park"... maximum butt-coverage.

I also wasn't sure about Jesus vs Satan. I knew they'd been in a lot of episodes, but couldn't remember a specific episode where they were together.

Posted by: SparkleMotion

Technically, a "pilot" IS just an episode made to pitch to the network.

However, since production costs are generally pretty high in TV, even though they may tinker with it a bit, MOST series begin their runs with a version of the same pilot they pitched with.

The first episode of a series MAY be the same as the pilot episode...but it is always the Premiere episode. :)

(Example: "Firefly" made a 2-hour pilot which FOX bought, but dictated a few changes they wanted. The pilot was shelved. The premiere episode of the series was callled "The Train Job". Then something like 12 episodes later, the pilot (titled "Serenity") finally aired to end the series.)

Posted by: Steve Mehs

First off, I too immediately thought of South Park when I saw this thread :)

The Jesus v Santa bit was in the second South Park short, The Sprit of Christmas, which was created 2 years before the show aired on Comedy Central and was NOT the pilot, it was just a short. The Pilot episode was an extended version of the first episode to air, Cartman Gets an Anal Probe. Or another way to put it, the first episode to be aired was a cut up version of the pilot. The real pilot never aired. In the first season or two of South Park during the end of the theme song there is a TV showing Santa twirling Jesus in the air and throwing him, this is a clip from that short.

The real birth of South Park goes back to 1992 or '93 with the first short that was also called The Spirit of Christmas but this one featured Jesus v Frosty. I believe there is also a clip from this in the original theme song but off hand I can't remember the scene.

I've seen both of those a few years ago and they're hilarious in respect to where the show is now in terms of animation, voice overs and storylines. For those interested, both Spirit of Christmas shorts, Jesus v Frosty and Jesus v Santa should be available to download and you should be able to find them by doing a goggle search.

Everything I typed above is from memory. But should be able to be confirmed by TVtome.

Posted by: martinp13

Steve, I think you're exactly right. I downloaded the Jesus vs Frosty clip, and it's bizarre (Cartman gets killed by Frosty, but they say "Frosty killed Kenny!". The orange Kenny dies too. :)). I haven't been able to download the entire unshown "pilot", but what I saw looked a lot like the Anal Probe episode we all know and love. :)

Posted by: Steve Mehs

Just checked at TVtome and what I said above is more or less all correct. Amazing I can’t remember what I did yesterday but I remember useless trivia from 5 years ago :D

http://www.tvtome.com/SouthPark/season1.html

Now that you mentioned it and after reading in on TVTome, Cartman is named Kenny in the early stages of the shows life, I forgot about that.

Talk about going back in time, as I’m typing this I remember downloading both shorts, back in late ’98. After the original 6 episodes aired but before the Halloween episode, I became fascinated with the show and spent hours researching it and found a bunch of history pages and links to download both of those shorts. This was on my old old computer. A 100Mhz IBM, internet connection was a 28K modem on AOL 3.0, the last version of AOHELL I ever used. IIRC I used RealPlayer 4 to play the SP shorts. Took forever to get.

I never saw the real pilot, I just remember reading from various sites years ago then after looking at TVtome it's coming back to me.