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Survivor 4/15 SPOILERS!!
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Posted by: David Platt

No thread about this yet? Guess everybody must have been waiting until after they watched the Apprentice finale...

Just one thing to say to Lex: "You talkin to me? You talking to me? I'm the only one here, so you must be talkin to me."

Posted by: scubagal

Lex is a bitter, bitter man.... it is almost laughable the hypocrisy of that guy....

Posted by: David Platt

Forgot to add to my original post:

I know I'm in the minority here, but I'm continuing my love* of B-Rob. He's the only one playing the game worth a damn. I'm rooting for him all the way.

* in a purely non-sexual and "he's playing the game really damn well" kind of way.

Posted by: scubagal

are you kidding, I LOVE ROB!

and even more... Amber- who I despised and dedicated my survivorsucks.com sigline to her being eaten by sharks during the Outback season... I even love!

Posted by: betamax

Nice haircut lex!

B-Rob needs a lesson in humility.

Why did Rupert pick the older players for his team?

Posted by: justapixel

Tonight, I very reluctantly came to the conclusion that I must root for Boston Rob. I hate him, but I do see him playing brilliantly.

Unless by the magic of Mark Burnett's editing, we are not seeing the true story. In that case, I want Rupert as a sentimental favorite, and I want Alesia because she's got the exact same body I do.

Posted by: nyny523

I, too, started off hating Boston Rob and wondering why Amber even deserved to be there. He is playing a great game, and if he can actually pull off bringing Amber to the final 2 with him, it will be one of the most interesting final episodes ever.

As for Lex's "do", I seriously doubt that is his first mohawk. He is just a weird, scary unpredictable personality.

Posted by: dirtypacman

BOSTON ROB ALL THE WAY

Posted by: zyzzx

I love the look on Shi-Ann's face after Kathy got booted. She could be next. Boston Rob is great and I really hope he wins. I'm just pissed that he let Jenna read her letter from home because she's always so annoying with that type of thing. I was rooting against her and then she "won" anyway when Rob gave up the video. Oh well.

Posted by: jeff125va

quote:
Originally posted by justapixel
Tonight, I very reluctantly came to the conclusion that I must root for Boston Rob. I hate him, but I do see him playing brilliantly.

Unless by the magic of Mark Burnett's editing, we are not seeing the true story. In that case, I want Rupert as a sentimental favorite, and I want Alesia because she's got the exact same body I do.

Wow! I've always thought she has the best body in Survivor history :-)

I agree about Boston Rob, hate him but he's definitely playing at a level deserving of All-Stars. Much better than he played in Marquesas. But, I think pretty soon we're gonna see some people start to realize that he's not taking them to the final two or three with him, and his core alliance could be in trouble. Although he sorta faced that situation last night and dealt with it.

Posted by: loubob57

Its not that I don't like B-Rob, but why do ALL those people blindly follow him? Its kinda creepy.

Posted by: betamax

quote:
Originally posted by loubob57
Its not that I don't like B-Rob, but why do ALL those people blindly follow him? Its kinda creepy.

Even Jeff seems to do it. Alicia was the captain of her team, but Jeff called it "Rob's tribe"

Posted by: zync

Anyone else see the previews and think that

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Boston Rob does NOT get immunity? He talks about being vulnerable - it coule be the end of his campain!

Posted by: scubagal

Is one of Jenna's daughters deaf? I have never heard her say that before, but the one who was signing, is she deaf?

Posted by: dtle

quote:
Originally posted by betamax

Why did Rupert pick the older players for his team?

Right before the start of the challenge, Jeff mentioned the teams were picked randomly.

Posted by: nataylor

quote:
Originally posted by dtle
Right before the start of the challenge, Jeff mentioned the teams were picked randomly.

I believe he said the captains were picked randomly. If the teams were picked randomly, why then randomly pick team captains? It didn't seem the game required someone in a captain position, unless the captains actually chose the teams.

Posted by: digdug

I don't subscribe to the B-Rob fan club newsletter. I think he's got quite the ego on him. I always have and always will like Rupert much better.

Why Kathy? Wouldn't it have made much more sense to nix Amber? That way you break up the whole sickening Rob & Amber & Jenna triad. It would also help to break Rob down a bit.

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by justapixel
Tonight, I very reluctantly came to the conclusion that I must root for Boston Rob. I hate him, but I do see him playing brilliantly.

Unless by the magic of Mark Burnett's editing, we are not seeing the true story. In that case, I want Rupert as a sentimental favorite, and I want Alesia because she's got the exact same body I do.

Wow, Ann, you're hot. (and I've never seen you...)

Posted by: LlamaLarry

quote:
Originally posted by scubagal
Is one of Jenna's daughters deaf? I have never heard her say that before, but the one who was signing, is she deaf?

She did seem to look at the aunt (??) for cues so I am thinking that she may be deaf or hard of hearing.
I was a little confused why she would be "happy" to see her daughter signing in any event. If she is deaf/HoH she seemed old enough that she would should be communicating already one way or another, although I have read about some "deaf culture" advocates that seem to look down on lip readers and/or deaf people speaking instead of signing. :::shrug:::

Posted by: Meinrad

Boston Rob is by far my favorite and Rupert is at the bottom of my list.

I had to laugh when Rob was crying or whining or whatever it was and started saying how the letters weren't a strategic move then immediately said, 'well maybe a little'.

And Lex is an idiot. Those death stares he was giving from under his stupid haircut just proved what an idiot he is. He needs to take a lesson from Ethan on how to take it when your friend votes you out.

Posted by: KRS

Intimidation is a big part of Rob's gameplan. He gets people to follow him even when he is not around them (Lex), and has most of the players in some sort of agreement.

Rupert is Rob's only remaining physical competitor, and while Rob isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, he can certainly outwit BigTom, Jenna, Rupert, and probably ShiAnn.

If he doesn't keep getting immunity though....he will have a tough time staying off the chopping block.

I would have liked to see more of BigTom's video - his son was hysterical. Imagine listening to a conversation between those two!

Posted by: Bojangling

I almost wet myself when Jeff said "Big Tom, here is a video from your son, Bucky Bo"!

Posted by: Frank_M

As any veteran of Survivor viewing knows... Rob's air time is WAY to high right now for him to eventually win. He has most likely peaked a bit early, and as he is eliminating all physical threats to him, I think that when he does lose one, he'll be gone.

And at some point, despite promises from Rob/Amber... Jenna/Rupert and Alicia/Tom will each realize that it's not really possible for the SIX of them to make the final four. :-)

But since they teased Rob being in trouble for next week, he'll almost certainly survive next week. :-)

Posted by: LlamaLarry

Speaking of Rupert, he tanked the breath hold part of the challenge last week and then this week neither he nor Big Tom were able to storm through the stick/string barrier course. I was certain Rupert would own last week and doubly certain that he and Big Tom would plow through the first part of the course. Is he laying low or has he just worn himself out?

Tom or Rupert need to win Immunity next week or they are gonna go. No one else can really have a chance to beat B Rob at Immunity.

I've never understood the value of playing to "lose last" or "bring me to the final 4" strategy. Is there a tiered payout that goes up dramatically at positions 4-2?

Posted by: Frank_M

I've always assumed the "bring me to the final 4" strategy is a passive/aggressive move.

You're saying to a "power player" that you just want to get far, but you know they'll win. That's a comfort to them, because you're saying you have different goals. They want a million, and you want to "do well." LOL.

But honestly, the person asking for this is just looking to find away to secure a spot at the end (and not be the one "pulling the strings" and pissing off those who get eliminated).. and then win immunity or find a way to screw the power player over. Or just beat them before the jury.

Posted by: DRobbins

I had a funny thought when Boston Rob volunteered to give up his video from home in favor of letting everyone receive their letters: what if Boston Rob didn't *want* to see that video in front of everyone else for fear of a girlfriend from home appearing on it and freaking out Amber?

Yeah, I know the home video was from Rob's brother, but if he has a hometown girlfriend who makes an appearance on the tape, wouldn't that put a chill on relations with Amber in their little tropical paradise?

Just a silly passing thought... But it would certainly have livened things up, wouldn't it?

Posted by: TreborPugly

I couldn't believe Jeff's buildup to Jenna's tape. That was cruel! Actually getting the videos was making everyone sad. You don't need to make them sadder by thinking they might not get a video!

I enjoy how Rob makes the show interesting, but I don't like him and I don't want him to win. I want the other folks to get their act together and take him down. But even more so, I don't see how anyone can be a fan of Amber as a player. She is completely riding Rob's coat tails. It is funny how Kathy is complaining about Amber lying to her, when it was all Rob's decision to vote Lex off.

Hopefully, it isn't as bad as Kathy was predicting if she got voted off, and the other folks are just being minimally loyal to their first (or second) tribe. I think that anyone who isn't convinced Rob and Amber want them in the final 3 should be working on a new alliance next week.

PUG

Posted by: YCantAngieRead

"Next week, on The Rob Show..."

I guess I must be the one in the minority now. I can't STAND Rob. I don't respect the way he's playing the game at all, and I have a feeling he would have been gone long ago had it not been for Amber and the sentimentality involved. We know Amber would have been gone already if Rob hadn't shot off his yap.

He seems to be doing to sleeze-ball method of leadership-suck up to people to their faces and trash them behind their backs, and I cannot and will not respect that in any game, ever.

I was so glad when Rob gave up his video because I didn't want to sit and watch another stupid member of his family be goofy.

Posted by: scubagal

quote:
Originally posted by Bojangling
I almost wet myself when Jeff said "Big Tom, here is a video from your son, Bucky Bo"!

Hee! Me too. and sorry, but they need subtitles for that family....

Posted by: Tracy

I just naturally root for the underdog. I'm rooting for Shii-Ann. She seems smart enough to mastermind the ousting of Rob.

Posted by: YCantAngieRead

I meant to add that Jenna's daughter might not be deaf or hard of hearing-some schools teach sign language-otherwise she'd probably already know it and wouldn't have to practice. I got the feeling it was some kind of project-maybe they have a HOH relative or something, and that the kid was just learning and practicing while Mom was away.

Posted by: hookbill

quote:
Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
"Next week, on The Rob Show..."

I guess I must be the one in the minority now. I can't STAND Rob. I don't respect the way he's playing the game at all, and I have a feeling he would have been gone long ago had it not been for Amber and the sentimentality involved. We know Amber would have been gone already if Rob hadn't shot off his yap.

He seems to be doing to sleeze-ball method of leadership-suck up to people to their faces and trash them behind their backs, and I cannot and will not respect that in any game, ever.

I was so glad when Rob gave up his video because I didn't want to sit and watch another stupid member of his family be goofy.

Nope, your not alone. Rob sucks. But give him his due, he is doing great in the competitions.

One of the things that struck me so far is how poorly Rupert has done in competitions. It kind of reminds me of a major league pitcher who threw a great game and was asked to go out the next day and only throws so so.

Either that or Ruperts first competitors just arn't in the same league with these guys.

Posted by: YCantAngieRead

I think Rupert is trying very hard to be mediocre, so he doesn't stand out as a target like he did in Pearl Islands. I noticed he's still pretty crappy at balance, but not nearly as badly as he seemed on that balance beam thing where Richard and Sue clashed.

That and I kind of sensed he might be just flat worn out at this point-doing two Survivors in one year'd be a lot, let alone two in six months.

Posted by: AJRitz

I can't stand BRob, and I think he's gone as soon as he loses an immunity challenge. I think BRob made a major tactical error getting rid of Kathy when he did. She was not likely to earn immunity later, so she was always going to be "available" at TC. He should have gone after Shi-Ann (if he was sticking with his "get rid of the other tribe folks" strategy). Of course his best move would have been to get rid of Big Tom or Rupert before either of them get the opportunity to be a real threat against him. I think the two of them have the best chance to form a counter-alliance. I think that Jenna will realize that BRob isn't going to take her to the Final Four with him and that she trusts Rupert more than she trusts BRob. Shi-Ann would also side with them, because it's clear that she loathes BRob. That's a four-person alliance that could overcome BRob+Amber+Alicia. Once BRob is gone, Amber and Alicia are easy marks (neither is likely to win immunity) and the anti-Rob Alliance would move on to the Final Four.

(Of course now I have to go look back and check on my post last week and see if I'm being anything close to consistent with this new prediction).

Edited to say: AHA! I checked, and this prediction is entirely consistent with last week's, with the possible exception that I expected Rupert to step up for Kathy a bit - at least quietly by not voting her off. But IIRC, Rupert did vote for Kathy.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

So, AJRitz, the lesson I take from your .sig is that either you're a very fast typist or you don't have a life. Or all of the above... :D

Posted by: Big_Daddy

Count me in the camp of those who are SICK of BRob's arrogance. I gotta hand it to him, he's doing well in the challenges (as mentioned above). But I'm tired of him and his accent!

I still cannot believe that no one has realized that the Rob/Amber relationship is bad for them? Kathy had the right idea last night, and she still got voted out.

My prediction: unless Tom/Rupert/Jenna get smart, Rob and Amber will be the final two. Then Rob will win because people will feel that Amber slid in on his coattails.

And AJRitz, I wasn't going to say what you said :D I think that if BRob had tried to axe Rupert or Tom, he would have stirred up the pot and put himself at greater risk. Right now he's still riding high on tribal lines. Next he'll gun for ShiAnn. And after she's gone, it will get really ugly. But hopefully MY prediction will be wrong, and next week will be Rob's last.

Posted by: Steveknj

When I saw that immunity/reward challenge, I looked at my son and said, that is TAILOR MADE for Rob. I think Burnett wants this Rob/Amber thing going as long as possible. Good for ratings. I like the way Rob is playing the game, but he's so darn smug and arrogant (ok, they mean the same thing) that he annoys me. If the others don't see what is going to happen, then they are REALLY stupid.

Posted by: DLiquid

Boston Rob is the devil, I'm not afraid to embrace my hatred of him. :D

I thought Kathy's speech at TC was very good, although it obviously didn't help her situation. And unlike most of you I like Lex. I agree he was hypocritical at the end, but he was one of my favorite players and he definitely got royally reamed by BRob.

I don't know why Pearl Islands powerhouse Rupert is so sucky at challenges lately, but I think it's helping him last longer in the game. Now if he can just pull it together for the final 10 days, he may have a chance of making the final two.

As for people who think devil boy can win it, should he make it to the final two, he already has two SOLID no votes on the jury, and virtually every remaining jury member will have Rob's knife in their back when they arrive at the jury (he still has to betray loyal Rupert and Jenna, remember). I think his only hope is if the other tribe members do mutiny against him and he survives it, that way maybe Rupert, Jenna, etc. might respect his game rather than feel he betrayed them.

BRob reminds me a bit of previous winner Brian, but one key difference is that Brian was pulling the strings behind the scenes. No one really knew how much he was running it. BRob, on the other hand, is not really trying to hide that he's in control. On the other hand, he seems to have people scared into going along with him, which is bizarre to me but he's obviously doing something right. It will be interesting to see what happens in the coming weeks.

Posted by: TreborPugly

I think I've heard Kathy say on more than one occasion that she doesn't want Jenna to win. What's up with that?

Posted by: Big_Daddy

quote:
Originally posted by DLiquid

I don't know why Pearl Islands powerhouse Rupert is so sucky at challenges lately, but I think it's helping him last longer in the game. Now if he can just pull it together for the final 10 days, he may have a chance of making the final two.

I wondered the same thing. I don't know if it's strategy or if he still hadn't recovered from last season's Survivor. He's definitely looking more thin now than he did last season.

quote:

As for people who think devil boy can win it, should he make it to the final two, he already has two SOLID no votes on the jury, and virtually every remaining jury member will have Rob's knife in their back when they arrive at the jury (he still has to betray loyal Rupert and Jenna, remember). I think his only hope is if the other tribe members do mutiny against him and he survives it, that way maybe Rupert, Jenna, etc. might respect his game rather than feel he betrayed them.

I so hope devil boy doesn't win, but I stand by my prediction. If I were Lex and Kathy, I'd think the way you're describing. But I seem to remember final TC votes where people in the jury voted for the backstabber because they acknowledged that person was the better game player. But this is a different game - they've all played it before. It will definitely be interesting to see how it plays out.

Posted by: YCantAngieRead

quote:
I thought Kathy's speech at TC was very good, although it obviously didn't help her situation. And unlike most of you I like Lex.

I know, me too! What's up with that? I didn't see him in his first go-round in Survivor, so possibly that has something to do with it.

Posted by: vman

I think that Rob is gone as soon as he loses immunity. But it hasn't surprised me the way the voting is going. Yes, everyone knows the "Robfather" must go, but for the vast majority of them it is far easier to go along with the current tribal loyalties since he HAS immunity now. Why shake things up by voting out Amber (the likeliest target) and confirming to Rob that he's gone ASAP, thus allowing him to come up with another plan. Better to play along and get rid of the folks like Kathy and Shii Ann (who are relative wildcards and unpredictable how they would vote in the future), then work to overthrow Rob when they have the chance. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

Rob knows this as well, and while he could try to shake things up himself by voting out Rupert or big Tom, it's still preferable to him to get rid of as many known enemies (like Kathy) and then try to work his alliance magic when and if necessary.

I had high hopes Rob would lose immunity when I saw it was not a physical challenge (for immunity). But he still won.

Another thought -- if you were in Kathy's position and had been on his team, would you have thrown the reward challenge to prevent him from having the opportunity for immunity. I might have been tempted!

Posted by: LooseWiring

I keep comparing the Rupert I saw on the Pearl Islands finale to the Rupert I see on Thursday nights and I have to say that he doesn't quite look as beaten down yet.

In the live finale he had this slur(almost like he had a stroke) his tan was MUCH more pronounced and his skin just looked rough to me. I am hoping that all of this is an indication he sticks around a while longer.

Posted by: LlamaLarry

quote:
Originally posted by TreborPugly
I think I've heard Kathy say on more than one occasion that she doesn't want Jenna to win. What's up with that?

Yeah, they were not in the same season so why does Jenna earn that special "I would hate for x to win" slot in Kathy's mind?

Posted by: JFriday

quote:
Originally posted by Meinrad

And Lex is an idiot. Those death stares he was giving from under his stupid haircut just proved what an idiot he is. He needs to take a lesson from Ethan on how to take it when your friend votes you out.

Lex needs to grow up. Quit trying to act like your 20 years old. Put away your skater clothes and get a normal haircut. I thought his leopard spotted hairdo on the early show looked worse than the mohawk.

Posted by: speedy4022

quote:
Originally posted by digdug
I don't subscribe to the B-Rob fan club newsletter. I think he's got quite the ego on him. I always have and always will like Rupert much better.

Why Kathy? Wouldn't it have made much more sense to nix Amber? That way you break up the whole sickening Rob & Amber & Jenna triad. It would also help to break Rob down a bit.

I also cannot stand B-rob he may be the only playing the game but he is ego maniac and I think as punishment when everybody gets tired of him they should vote amber off first and make him stay for another week.

Posted by: DreadPirateRob

I read somewhere that Rupert lost over 50 pounds during the two Survivors, so it's entirely possible that he is simply worn out. But I subscribe to the "lying in the weeds" theory - he's waiting to assert his physical dominance for when he really needs to. Right now, he's flying under the radar, which is a good place to be at this point.

Angie - that was my take on Jenna's daughter as well. She's far too old to just now be learning how to sign if she was born deaf (unless, of course, there was a recent tragic accident), so I think it more likely that it's a project or something.

I'm tired of B-Rob too. I would love for Rupert, Jenna, et al., to seize control now that it's down to 7, and then vote out Amber - just to piss off Rob. Of course, in doing that, you leave open the possibility that he could then run the table with immunity. The better part of valor would be to vote out B-Rob as soon as he doesn't have immunity - you don't know when or if you will get that chance again.

Posted by: nyny523

quote:
Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
I know, me too! What's up with that? I didn't see him in his first go-round in Survivor, so possibly that has something to do with it.

I don't know if you'll get the same take from others here, but do not like Lex based on his behavior in Africa, and he pretty muched pulled the same act here.
Basically, he tries to come across as this really nice, friendly, straight shooting guy - until someone does something to cross him. Then what I believe to be his true personality emerges - angry, hostile, controlling - SCARY!!! In Africa, everything was hunky-dory until he got his first votes - then he went totally ballistic and acted like a ranting lunatic. Not only was it ugly, but it lost him the game. He reacted pretty much the same with Boston Rob - actually not quite as crazy, but along those lines. The funny thing is he pulls the same crap on others (Ethan, Jerri) and that's ok, but do it to him and WHAMMO - Travis Bickel (you talkin' to ME???) emerges. The haircut was strangely appropriate to his behavior...

Posted by: DLiquid

quote:
Originally posted by JFriday
Lex needs to grow up. Quit trying to act like your 20 years old. Put away your skater clothes and get a normal haircut. I thought his leopard spotted hairdo on the early show looked worse than the mohawk.

He's not acting like he's 20 years old (see skater Robb for a better example of that). Just because you don't like his style does not mean he should change it. We don't need all 40-year-olds looking they just walked off the set of Friends.

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by nyny523
I don't know if you'll get the same take from others here, but do not like Lex based on his behavior in Africa, and he pretty muched pulled the same act here.
Basically, he tries to come across as this really nice, friendly, straight shooting guy - until someone does something to cross him. Then what I believe to be his true personality emerges - angry, hostile, controlling - SCARY!!! In Africa, everything was hunky-dory until he got his first votes - then he went totally ballistic and acted like a ranting lunatic. Not only was it ugly, but it lost him the game. He reacted pretty much the same with Boston Rob - actually not quite as crazy, but along those lines. The funny thing is he pulls the same crap on others (Ethan, Jerri) and that's ok, but do it to him and WHAMMO - Travis Bickel (you talkin' to ME???) emerges. The haircut was strangely appropriate to his behavior...

In Lex's mind, he had a deal with Rob (I save Amber, you save me) that he did not have with Ethan or Jeri.

Posted by: Cleetus VanDamme

quote:
Originally posted by DLiquid
He's not acting like he's 20 years old (see skater Robb for a better example of that). Just because you don't like his style does not mean he should change it. We don't need all 40-year-olds looking they just walked off the set of Friends.

I agree I liked Lex and i like his style. He just made some poor moves while playing the game.

PS: Someone please throw me a bone and give me some reason to believe that Boston Rob or Amber are not going to be there at the end.

Posted by: KRS

quote:
Originally posted by jhausmann
In Lex's mind, he had a deal with Rob (I save Amber, you save me) that he did not have with Ethan or Jeri.

True, and you can see why Lex would think they had a deal. But as Rob pointed out, he was pretty vague and only said he would "try" to help Lex. Besides that, his telling Lex about the vote was very much like the speeches Lex gave to Ethan and Jerri. I was thrilled to see that conversation - Lex got a taste of his own medicine.

BTW, was that Alicia's adoptive mother? We were a bit surprised to see a white woman pop up onscreen....

Posted by: Doh

quote:
Originally posted by jhausmann
In Lex's mind, he had a deal with Rob (I save Amber, you save me) that he did not have with Ethan or Jeri.

I can't speak for what's going on in Lex's apparently-twisted mind, but from what we saw I'm pretty sure he had a much more "formal" alliance with Jeri than he had with Rob.

I like Boston Rob, he's cocky but not nasty. The letters was a good example-- I think he honestly did want to do something nice for everyone, and the fact that it was a smart strategic move was bonus.

Kathy was just getting downright nasty this season, and I think it was a good move to get rid of her. Chapera gets along so well, I wouldn't be that surprised if they got rid of Shi-Ann before turning on themselves, but the Alicia-Jenna tension isn't a good sign.

Posted by: ClutchBrake

quote:
Originally posted by jhausmann
In Lex's mind, he had a deal with Rob (I save Amber, you save me) that he did not have with Ethan or Jeri.

I disagree. Don't you remember the heart-to-heart speech Lex and Jerri had when they formed their alliance? Lex was on the verge of tears and Jerri was tearing up while hugging and they swore to never vote for the other. That to me is FAR more solid than Rob saying "Save Amber and I'll try to take care of you."

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by KRS
BTW, was that Alicia's adoptive mother? We were a bit surprised to see a white woman pop up onscreen....

Well, looking at Alicia, ONE of her parents must be white!

Posted by: Dashel

quote:
Originally posted by KRS
BTW, was that Alicia's adoptive mother? We were a bit surprised to see a white woman pop up onscreen....

I guess she could've been Alicia's adoptive mother, however, I just assumed she was her birth mother. Clearly, Alicia has black heritage, but she has always looked like she was black and something else to me.

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by ClutchBrake
I disagree. Don't you remember the heart-to-heart speech Lex and Jerri had when they formed their alliance? Lex was on the verge of tears and Jerri was tearing up while hugging and they swore to never vote for the other. That to me is FAR more solid than Rob saying "Save Amber and I'll try to take care of you."

Jeri agrees with you, regarding herself:

http://www.survivornews.net/news.php?id=867

However, this is what Lex said about Jeri (TV Guide interview):

http://pub207.ezboard.com/fsurvivor...cID=38002.topic

"TVGO: Do you regret keeping Amber instead of Jerri?
Lex: It would have been great to be psychic and to see the fact that I couldn't trust Rob at all to be loyal to our friendship. Frankly, I really wanted to keep Jerri in the first place. The executive decision to get rid of Jerri was one that Kathy made. [Kathy and I] had an alliance, and I respected her decision and I decided to support her on that. But if it had been left completely up to me, Jerri would have stayed and Amber would have gone.

TVGO: Why did you think you could trust Boston Rob?
Lex: When we were out there playing the game, he was on the other tribe and we didn't see all this double-dealing, despicable-scoundrel behavior. Also, you need to understand that, just from an emotional standpoint, Rob and I were close friends outside of the game. We had been tight for quite a while. We saw each other. We called each other. That tends to cloud your ability to make certain kinds of decisions in a game like this. For me, it was simply a friend came to me with tears in his eyes, asking me for help. When my friends need me, I jump. That's the kind of person I am. I would throw myself into the fire for a friend, if I thought that it would help them out. When he came to me, I had to decide, "What is more important to me, friendship or money?" Friendship is always going to be more important to me than money.

TVGO: OK, how aware were you of Rob and Amber's romance?
Lex: I knew that there was something there. I certainly didn't know to what extent until he came to me with tears in his eyes. Then, I thought, "Oh, this is a little more significant and a little closer than I thought it was." But that wasn't really relevant to my decision, except from a strategic standpoint. [I thought] if we had Amber on our tribe and if I saved her and Rob was good on his promise to do everything he could to take care of me, then I had basically created some good, strong alliances on my side. "

Lex on Ethan:

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ar...ies/02local.htm

"They were pals, not alliance-mates, Lex said.

The only thing he promised, he said, was to tell Ethan when he was getting the ax."

Disagree with Lex, not me.

Posted by: ClutchBrake

quote:
Originally posted by jhausmann
Disagree with Lex, not me.

True. And I'd be willing to bet nearly everyone who watched Survivor would disagree with Lex regarding Jerri. He remembers what he wants to remember. We saw what was actually said.

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by ClutchBrake
True. And I'd be willing to bet nearly everyone who watched Survivor would disagree with Lex regarding Jerri. He remembers what he wants to remember. We saw what was actually said.

From the SantCruz link (last one in previous post):

"What the camera didn�t reveal, he said, was that he allowed tribemate Kathy Vavrick-O�Brien make the final call.

"I thought my own decision-making skills were being clouded by being loyal to a friend," he said and Kathy, a 50-year-old Realtor, had told him that she thought they could trust the construction worker."

Lex doesn't take the blame (in Lex's mind) because Lex didn't make the final decision (according to Lex. Even had Lex stayed true to Jeri, if what he says is true, Kathy had the votes to remove her [Kathy, Shi-Ann, Amber]). Of course, Lex prolly is blowing smoke...

Posted by: devdogaz

Maybe it was the editing, and this clip was shown out of order, but Amber seemed to be very close to finishing the immunity puzzle long before Rob was. I went back and looked and all she had to do was slide the two small tiles so they were on top of each other and she could have slid the knife out. My guess is that the editing was just out of sequence, but it is surely possible that Amber realized Rob needs immunity to keep their alliance going so she held back and made sure he got it.

Posted by: DLiquid

quote:
Originally posted by devdogaz
Maybe it was the editing, and this clip was shown out of order, but Amber seemed to be very close to finishing the immunity puzzle long before Rob was. I went back and looked and all she had to do was slide the two small tiles so they were on top of each other and she could have slid the knife out. My guess is that the editing was just out of sequence, but it is surely possible that Amber realized Rob needs immunity to keep their alliance going so she held back and made sure he got it.

Nah, if Amber won the immunity but she wanted Rob to have it, she could just give it to him. There was no need for her to throw the immunity challenge and potentially let Shii-Ann win immunity.

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by DLiquid
Nah, if Amber won the immunity but she wanted Rob to have it, she could just give it to him. There was no need for her to throw the immunity challenge and potentially let Shii-Ann win immunity.

Amber's playin Rob, I think. She's letting him make the deals and piss off the players while she coasts along. Rob winning ICs generates more hate toward Rob...

Posted by: DLL66

quote:
Originally posted by Tracy
I just naturally root for the underdog. I'm rooting for Shii-Ann. She seems smart enough to mastermind the ousting of Rob.

Shi-Ann couldn't master her self out of a paper bag filled with holes!!! LOL

GO AMBER!!

Posted by: markz

quote:
Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
I meant to add that Jenna's daughter might not be deaf or hard of hearing-some schools teach sign language-otherwise she'd probably already know it and wouldn't have to practice. I got the feeling it was some kind of project-maybe they have a HOH relative or something, and that the kid was just learning and practicing while Mom was away.

Wow, my mind is stuck in reality TV mode. When I read HOH, I thought of "Head of Household". Silly me!

Posted by: JETarpon

quote:
Originally posted by KRS
True, and you can see why Lex would think they had a deal. But as Rob pointed out, he was pretty vague and only said he would "try" to help Lex.

Actually, when Rob said that, it got me thinking and after that episode was over, I went back and watched the "previously on Survivor..." part again. Rob told Lex to try to take care of Amber, and he'd help Lex. The "try" was on Lex, not on Rob.

quote:

BTW, was that Alicia's adoptive mother? We were a bit surprised to see a white woman pop up onscreen....

I doubt it. If you look past skin color, the two have very similar faces. I'm sure she's her biological mother.

Posted by: Fleegle

quote:
Originally posted by LlamaLarry
She did seem to look at the aunt (??) for cues so I am thinking that she may be deaf or hard of hearing.
I was a little confused why she would be "happy" to see her daughter signing in any event. If she is deaf/HoH she seemed old enough that she would should be communicating already one way or another, although I have read about some "deaf culture" advocates that seem to look down on lip readers and/or deaf people speaking instead of signing. :::shrug:::

Nope, it was the aunt who's HOH or Deaf. I've known enough to recognize the way the distinctive way they speak.

Posted by: YCantAngieRead

quote:
Maybe it was the editing, and this clip was shown out of order, but Amber seemed to be very close to finishing the immunity puzzle long before Rob was.

I noticed that too. Except that my thought was "How stupid is Amber that she didn't notice she only had two tiles to move one space over?" I guess in my head Amber's a strong physical player but a crappy mental player. But I didn't see her original survivor, so who knows if I'm insane in that thinking or not.

Posted by: Dashel

quote:
Originally posted by Frank_M
And at some point, despite promises from Rob/Amber... Jenna/Rupert and Alicia/Tom will each realize that it's not really possible for the SIX of them to make the final four. :-)

Here's hoping it's sooner rather than later.

Posted by: pkscout

quote:
Originally posted by Dashel
Here's hoping it's sooner rather than later.

Yea, but I'm afraid that Jenna, Rupert, Tom, and Alicia won't realize it until they're down to five. ;)

Seriously, if nobody is talking about their alliance with Rob/Amber (maybe we should just call them Ramber), then two of them will make it to the final four and the #5 person will be the only one left surprised by the outcome. If Rob and Amber can pull that kind of thing over on everyone, then one of them deserves to win, even though I hope neither of them do.

Posted by: ADent

What was with Jeff's comment about Rob's video about a lot of people would not want to see it? Something offensive? Guy code (B. Rob's real girlfriend)? Bad lighting?

I like that even B. Rob got teary eyed.

I don't like Rob. He is slime. He should not win. But I think he is playing the game the best.

Final Four (Why do people want to be the last loser when they make Final Four from above): 1) More money (2nd place has been $100,000, 3rd 25K, 4th 10K reportedly in the past, All Start starts at 25K for last place) 2) If they can win the last two immunities they are at worst last place. Also lots of wheeling and dealing near the end where the expected 4th place can team up with the expected 3rd place and get into a tie breaker with the expected 1/2.

I think Rob focused on Kathy rather than Shi-Ann because Kathy was stirring up the nest and afraid she could vote out Rob or Amber. It seems at this time Shi-Ann is unlikely to lead a successful revolt.

Posted by: Dashel

quote:
Originally posted by ADent
I think Rob focused on Kathy rather than Shi-Ann because Kathy was stirring up the nest and afraid she could vote out Rob or Amber. It seems at this time Shi-Ann is unlikely to lead a successful revolt.

Shi-Ann should put it all out there now. Everything she knows, everything she thinks she knows, and everything she can convincingly lie about.

Posted by: kettledrum

quote:
Originally posted by ADent
What was with Jeff's comment about Rob's video about a lot of people would not want to see it? Something offensive? Guy code (B. Rob's real girlfriend)? Bad lighting?

When they were going through the video snippets for everyone I kept waiting for Jeff to say, "and here's your video Rob, made by your girlfriend back home..."

Posted by: ClutchBrake

Judging solely by the short clip we saw of BRob's video I figured the rest of the video was equally horrifying. I can definitely see why he might hint that others wouldn't want to watch it.

Posted by: Mikkel_Knight

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Originally posted by TreborPugly
I think I've heard Kathy say on more than one occasion that she doesn't want Jenna to win. What's up with that?
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quote:
Originally posted by LlamaLarry
Yeah, they were not in the same season so why does Jenna earn that special "I would hate for x to win" slot in Kathy's mind?

Jenna is on record as saying that none of the people who came close to winning last time (in their respective seasons) should win. She wants this season to be a "Consolation" season. The rest of the Survivors don't see it as a "Consolation" season, they see it as a "Championship" season. The sooner Jenna is gone, the better I'll feel...

Posted by: Mikkel_Knight

quote:
Originally posted by devdogaz
Maybe it was the editing, and this clip was shown out of order, but Amber seemed to be very close to finishing the immunity puzzle long before Rob was. I went back and looked and all she had to do was slide the two small tiles so they were on top of each other and she could have slid the knife out. My guess is that the editing was just out of sequence, but it is surely possible that Amber realized Rob needs immunity to keep their alliance going so she held back and made sure he got it.

It did look like all she needed to do was move the two small squares aside and then bring her knife out... Anyone still have the episode to confirm it was because of editing??

Posted by: devdogaz

quote:
Originally potsed by Mikkel_Knight
It did look like all she needed to do was move the two small squares aside and then bring her knife out... Anyone still have the episode to confirm it was because of editing??

I still have the episode but I don't know what you mean by confirming that it was because of editing. It definitely showed Amber's board only one move away from being able to get her knife out. The question is whether that shot was edited in out of sequence and I don't know of any way to confirm it.

Posted by: pkscout

quote:
Originally posted by Dashel
Shi-Ann should put it all out there now. Everything she knows, everything she thinks she knows, and everything she can convincingly lie about.

That assumes she is capable of doing something besides riding others coat tails, doing what she's told, sitting in the background, and *talking* a great game to the camera. ;)

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

But what everybody seems to keep forgetting is that when Shii Ann tried to step up in her last game, she was tricked by the fake merge. You can't really blame her for not wanting to step up again!