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Smallville 4/28 Memoria (Spoilers)
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Posted by: JYoung

HFC!!!!

No Smallville thread yet????

Damn this was a good episode. The first part of the episode was pedestrian but the last act just blew.... me.... away.......

The revelations of Lex's memory had my jaw dropping and his confrotation with Lionel was an absolute showstopper.
Especially contrasted with the last scene between Clark and Martha which in itself was very touching.

(and it kicks Enterprise's sorry butt)

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by JYoung
HFC!!!!

No Smallville thread yet????

Damn this was a good episode. The first part of the episode was pedestrian but the last act just blew.... me.... away.......

The revelations of Lex's memory had my jaw dropping and his confrotation with Lionel was an absolute showstopper.
Especially contrasted with the last scene between Clark and Martha which in itself was very touching.

(and it kicks Enterprise's sorry butt)

Stanley Cup playoffs kick Enterprises butt...

Posted by: masdoggydogg

This was a great episode. I was relieved that it was Martha who came to the barn...after all the great character development I was afraid they went right back to the formula ending with Lana visiting in the barn.

I guess the whole cast got the week off...no Pete, no Chloe, no Lana, no Jonathan. Who needs em, eh?

Posted by: RGM1138

Powerful episode. No wonder Lex goes criminally insane later in life. He inherited it from his old man.

And a lot of revelations. (Sort of reminds of a line from a Friends ep., when Mrs. Geller, after hearing about Ross' pot smoking, Rachel's screw up of the English Trifle, Phoebe's love of Jacques Cousteau, etc. she retorted, "That's a lot of information to get in 30 seconds.")

Anyway, does anyone know the name of the music over Clark and Martha's scenes? Usually, they run an ad for the ep's soundtrack, but I assume this wasn't from the Warner library. They didn't even CC the lyrics.

Another thing, I don't know that I'll ever get used to hearing "General Zod" as the voice of Jor-El. What, Brando had another gig? :) (Even though he did pronounce the home world as Cripten rather than Kryp-ton).

Bob

Posted by: smak

Man, what casting genius to cast John Glover.

I doubt a few years ago when he started on, they realized how big a part of the show he would be.

-smak-

Posted by: LooseWiring

During the final scene before they revealed it was Martha I started getting a little pissed. They seriously need to just write Lana off. They tried, it didn't work out, give up already. They seriously need to move on.

Something has been bothering me lately about this show.

Why has Lionel Luther not bugged the Kents Barn? Or their home? For a Billionaire who has gone to such extraordinary lengths to delve into Clark's secret it's pretty lame that he hasn't even thought of bugging them.

I mean, come on, it's not like he can't afford to hire a private detective or 10. Why isn't the Kent farm on 24-hour surveilence?

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

It was a shock seeing Lionel being a genuinely good, caring father (in the birthday party scene)...

Posted by: HoosierFan

quote:
Originally posted by RGM1138

Anyway, does anyone know the name of the music over Clark and Martha's scenes? Usually, they run an ad for the ep's soundtrack, but I assume this wasn't from the Warner library. They didn't even CC the lyrics.

Bob

If it's what I'm thinking of, its the new song by Evanescence (Great CD!)

Posted by: Big_Daddy

Agreed with everyone here - a great, powerful episode. It was nice to see the focus shift, if only for one episode, from Lex/Clark's fathers to their mothers.

The scene with Lex and Lionel at the end was just fantastic, showcasing what good actors they both are. I wonder if Lionel's newly-found regrets about how he's led his life and the impact it's had on his family will play a role in the unfolding plotline of Lex working for the FBI.

And it's also good to see the tension building between Lex and Clark, while the core of their friendship is still present. Clark's gotten himself into a "do what I say, I know what's best" mode which is pissing off Lana and Lex - particularly since they know he's not being completely honest with them.

Posted by: harlenm

quote:
Originally posted by HoosierFan
If it's what I'm thinking of, its the new song by Evanescence (Great CD!)

My Immortal by Evanescence. Not sure if it was the CD version or the Radio version. The Radio version is alot better than the one on the CD.

Posted by: Bryanmc

Fantastic episode.

That last scene with Martha ranks as one of the best in the series. Very, very great.

There were a few times when I was impressed with Tom Welling's acting in this show. Generally he's pretty average, but there were a few times when I was pleased.

Linoel and Lex had some incredible moments as well. The young Lex did a great job. Do we know what happened to Lex's mom? Did she die of natural causes or are we unsure?

I'm not sure how I feel about the discovery that Linoel has thought Lex killed Julian all these years. It gives Linoel a pass for his treatment of Lex and I don't know if I like that. I don't want Lex to be the Lex we know by accident or happenstance. It was a powerful scene between them, I'm just not sure if I like it yet.

Must think more on it.

Posted by: Big_Daddy

quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc

I'm not sure how I feel about the discovery that Linoel has thought Lex killed Julian all these years. It gives Linoel a pass for his treatment of Lex and I don't know if I like that. I don't want Lex to be the Lex we know by accident or happenstance. It was a powerful scene between them, I'm just not sure if I like it yet.

I don't think that it was an accident. Lex intended for Lionel to think that Lex had killed Julian - because he was better prepared to withstand his father's fury than his mother was. This was a calculated decision on Lex's part - although at a younger age he likely would not realize its full ramifications - based on his opinion of his father and love for his mother. I don't think this gives Lionel an excuse or pass - remember, it was his behavior towards Lex's mother in the first place that led to this chain of events.

Posted by: MitchO

Powerful episode; once again i will say that Michael Rosenbaum deserves a look for Best Supporting Actor. And the kid who played young Lex was damn good too ... he looked a lot like Lex, but i guess once you eliminate hair it isn't too difficult to match eyes/contacts, huh :D

It shows just how much Lionel really wanted a strong family. The St George scene was just SO good; it makes me truly believe that if Julian (and his mother) went on to survive the post partum issues (more on this in a sec) that they may actually be a much more normal family. It made me truly believe that Lionel, unlike Lex will be, is just a man sent down the wrong path. Lex says to Clark at the end that "he will never be like his father", and we all know this to be true; Lex will be far, far worse. Lionel right now is evil incarnate, but he's small potatoes compared to what Lex will be. The presence of a greater evil will beget the presence of a greater good ... Clark's emergence as Superman.

The one thing i'm a little torn about, which doesn't affect the whole message, is the amount of blame placed on Lionel for the whole Julian/Mom dynamic. Obviously, she was in a major post partum depression episode; there is a lot of documentation out there of mothers who suffer trauma from childbirth and react exactly the way she did (not wanting to hold or comfort Julian). Maus has, among some of its great storylines, an amazing truth about it, evidently Art Spiegleman's mother went through the same thing. It's a terrible tragedy and a NATURAL EVENT; it made me feel a lot of sympathy for all four members of the Luthor family. But at various points, both Lex and Lex's mother implied that she was "driven" to this point because they were positive that Lionel would pit the children against each other, use his horrible brand of parenting, etc etc. I can understand that she was going through a psychological problem (note how many times they've said on this show that mental illness is genetic, we've always assumed Lex gets it from LIONEL), and would be seeing things askew ... but we saw from the 12th birthday party that Lionel *was* capable of loving parenting, even if Lex still had a rough childhood from isolation (his hair, his wealth, his intelligence saw to that).

I think i'd feel more genuine about my sympathy, and more genuine about how the Luthor family became such a tragedy, if this part was omitted; sure Lionel wasn't the best dad, but he wasn't that bad until he blamed Lex for Julian's death. And as Lionel said to Lex, "You're greatest weakness has always been that you are living in the past". Et tu, Lionel?

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by Big_Daddy
I don't think that it was an accident. Lex intended for Lionel to think that Lex had killed Julian - because he was better prepared to withstand his father's fury than his mother was. This was a calculated decision on Lex's part - although at a younger age he likely would not realize its full ramifications - based on his opinion of his father and love for his mother. I don't think this gives Lionel an excuse or pass - remember, it was his behavior towards Lex's mother in the first place that led to this chain of events.

I know Lex made the decision. What I mean is that Linoel's actions and feelings have totally been misplaced.

Lex was trying to protect his mother (I did watch the show you know ;)) and because of that he's being turned into the bad guy because of his father's reaction to misinformation.

It's just making the audience *too* sympathetic to Lex. I don't have an issues with feeling sorry for Lex a bit, or understanding why he's become what he's become, but I don't want to feel sympathetic towards him.

Eventually he's got to become Superman's archenemy. With pretty little redeeming qualities. I just don't want to look at evil Lex when he's grown and think that he's that way because of a big mistake.

I don't know, it just doesn't feel correct right now. Maybe after more time.

Posted by: JYoung

quote:
Originally posted by MitchO

The one thing i'm a little torn about, which doesn't affect the whole message, is the amount of blame placed on Lionel for the whole Julian/Mom dynamic. Obviously, she was in a major post partum depression episode; there is a lot of documentation out there of mothers who suffer trauma from childbirth and react exactly the way she did (not wanting to hold or comfort Julian). Maus has, among some of its great storylines, an amazing truth about it, evidently Art Spiegleman's mother went through the same thing. It's a terrible tragedy and a NATURAL EVENT; it made me feel a lot of sympathy for all four members of the Luthor family. But at various points, both Lex and Lex's mother implied that she was "driven" to this point because they were positive that Lionel would pit the children against each other, use his horrible brand of parenting, etc etc. I can understand that she was going through a psychological problem (note how many times they've said on this show that mental illness is genetic, we've always assumed Lex gets it from LIONEL), and would be seeing things askew ... but we saw from the 12th birthday party that Lionel *was* capable of loving parenting, even if Lex still had a rough childhood from isolation (his hair, his wealth, his intelligence saw to that).

I think that you're forgetting the fact that Lionel had his own parents killed for the insurance money and blackmailed Jonathan Kent in order to get the Ross creamed corn plant. Rather amoral don't you think?
Mrs. Luthor may have been suffering from PPD but we've seen enough of Lionel to know that her concerns were very likely valid.

Posted by: masdoggydogg

quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc
Do we know what happened to Lex's mom? Did she die of natural causes or are we unsure?

I'm pretty sure she died of cancer. I think that's been mentioned in a couple of eps.

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by masdoggydogg
I'm pretty sure she died of cancer. I think that's been mentioned in a couple of eps.

We were told she died of cancer. Who knows if that'll remain true or if it wasn't deliberately induced, by Lionel?

Posted by: Attack

quote:
Originally posted by jhausmann
We were told she died of cancer. Who knows if that'll remain true or if it wasn't deliberately induced, by Lionel?

Hmm, Is Lionel a client of Wolfram & Hart? :)

Posted by: edc

quote:
Originally posted by MitchO
But at various points, both Lex and Lex's mother implied that she was "driven" to this point because they were positive that Lionel would pit the children against each other, use his horrible brand of parenting, etc etc.

One only need look at Lex's (half)-Brother, and what Lionel did to the two of them. These Smallville writers are very clever. I also like how this storyline now echoes back to Martha's miscarriage at the end of last season...

Posted by: Peter000

Basically everything Lionel does on Smalleville is an attempt at manipulation. The whole St. George thing, while touching on the surface, was to manimpulate Lex's emotions. To continue turning him into something he wasn't (ie, an heir to the Lexcorp empire).

But Lex is his Mother's boy, not his father's. He completely revealed that when he took the fall for Julian's death. And throughout the rest of the series he iconized his mom as well. He even blocked out the memory of Julian's death to do it.

Anyway, fantastic episode... one I was totally ready to hate (from the previews and from what I had heard about the plot). And far, far better acting by Welling than we've seen in a long time.

Posted by: kettledrum

quote:
Originally posted by harlenm
My Immortal by Evanescence. Not sure if it was the CD version or the Radio version. The Radio version is alot better than the one on the CD.

Actually you get both versions on the CD, the radio version is track 12 on the CD and is not listed on the back cover. So don't let that stop you from getting the CD if you were thinking about it but wanted that version of the song.

I am not 100% sure, but I thought I was hearing a third version of "My Immortal" on Smallville last night. I wasn't hearing any harmony voices to complement the lead during the song, and both versions that I remember had that in there (I think they're still all Amy Lee's voice but just overdubbed in or whatever the technical term is for that)

Still a great song IMHO for that part of the show.

Posted by: whitson77

Good ep. We are clearly seeing the rift starting to widen between Clark and Lex. Lionel is about to die IMO.

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by whitson77
Lionel is about to die IMO.

Season finale (or thereabouts) as I've said for a while.

Really too bad, I love Glover's character, but I think it has to come.

Posted by: harlenm

quote:
Originally posted by kettledrum
Actually you get both versions on the CD, the radio version is track 12 on the CD and is not listed on the back cover. So don't let that stop you from getting the CD if you were thinking about it but wanted that version of the song.

I am not 100% sure, but I thought I was hearing a third version of "My Immortal" on Smallville last night. I wasn't hearing any harmony voices to complement the lead during the song, and both versions that I remember had that in there (I think they're still all Amy Lee's voice but just overdubbed in or whatever the technical term is for that)

Still a great song IMHO for that part of the show.

My CD had a code to download the radio version, it wasn't on the CD.

Posted by: kettledrum

Ahh, I only bought my CD a month or two ago. I bet the first pressings didn�t include the radio version on it.

And I think I will correct myself on what I thought I observed before�after listening to the CD version a couple of times, I do believe that is what�s on the episode last night, and not a 3rd version of the song. Silly me�that�s what I get for posting too soon�

Sorry, I didn�t mean to hijack the thread�..back to your regular programming now�.

Posted by: sa-gamer

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
It was a shock seeing Lionel being a genuinely good, caring father (in the birthday party scene)...

Yep - that shocked me too until I realized that the scene took place before

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Lionel caught Lex over his dead son.

People talk about Lex being screwed up by having such a bad father. I think Lionel must have been getting more and more twisted for years because of the love/hate relationship he has with Lex.

Posted by: RGM1138

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
It was a shock seeing Lionel being a genuinely good, caring father (in the birthday party scene)...

Yeah, I thought that too, for a couple of minutes. But, I wouldn't rush to give this guy a Father of The Year medal.

Forgetting for a sec that he caused his wife, (her own mental illness aside), to think that it's better to kill her own child than subject him to a lifetime with a twisted freak as a dad. How sick must he be?

Call me old fashioned, but I can't see this Grandma killer as being a great role model for his kids.

About the only "good" thing you cab say about Luthor, the elder is: "Yeah, sure, he killed Grammy and Grampy for insurance money to start his evil empire. But, hey, at least he didn't eat them." :)

Bob

Posted by: RGM1138

Hey, thanks to everyone for the input on the music in this ep. I appreciate it.

Bob

Posted by: David Platt

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
It was a shock seeing Lionel being a genuinely good, caring father (in the birthday party scene)...

And it was really chilling to pinpoint the precise moment when Lionel became the magnificent b*stard that he is. When he turns back to Lex after looking at the lifeless body in the crib, you can just watch his face change almost imperceptibly from that of a caring, loving father to that of a cold-hearted man who cares about no one. Glover deserves an Emmy.

Posted by: balboa dave

quote:
Originally posted by David Platt
And it was really chilling to pinpoint the precise moment when Lionel became the magnificent b*stard that he is. When he turns back to Lex after looking at the lifeless body in the crib, you can just watch his face change almost imperceptibly from that of a caring, loving father to that of a cold-hearted man who cares about no one. Glover deserves an Emmy.

Lionel was already a cold-hearted man at this point, since he murdered his parents to get his start in business with the insurance money. But his specific treatment of Lex is explained. While Lionel always professed to act in Lex's best interest, he also undermined Lex's every achievement.

I do agree with your opinion of Glover's acting. I think this was one of the best written episodes of the series, and all of the actors rose to the level of writing.

Posted by: Bryanmc

One other thing I noticed, you can have stories without Chloe and Pete (to to an extent Lana) all day long and not really feel their absence.

I totally felt the absence of Jonathan Kent. His being out of town really made the Kent farm feel differently.

I know they had to get him out of there so that this could be a Clark and Mom situation, and it was totally appropriate, but man was it different without him.

No way will he die or be removed from the series.

Posted by: Mike20878

I just remembered a story line from the comics from a while ago. I don't recall that anyone has mentioned it (though I could be wrong judging from the last thread :) ). I guess I'll put it in spoilers just in case.

Is anyone familiar with the Eradicator storyline? The flashback to Lara and Jor El made me think that maybe Jor El was more the loving father than the Jor El essence, or whatever you wanna call it, attempting to control Clark now. What if the writers are adapting the Eradicator plot with the ship/Jor El attempting to make Clark/Kal El into its vision of Krypton and not Lara and Jor El's.

I know we've had the discussions about the different versions of Krypton in the comics. I recall the cold Krypton, but with Jor El and Lara being rebels to that way of thinking. And so, their aspirations for Kal El on Earth differ from that of the rest of Kryptonian society.

If those really doesn't require spoilers, please let me know and I'll remove the tags.

Mike

Posted by: Bryanmc

I don't think that requires spoilers.

I've thought about that as well, but wrote it off as being a bit too 'out there' to make the transition from comics to TV.

It could work it's way in, but we've got a pretty complex story going on right now regarding Jor-El on Smallville. To add anything like that in would just make the public's head hurt I think. The Eradicator is a pretty complex character.

This is why I think the Jor-El we've been hearing is actually Jor-El. What we'll find is that he's been testing Clark (and Jonathan) or he's being misunderstood.

I personally can see the final conversation with Jor-El being one of benevolence and pride as he commissions Clark to care for this world and thanks Jonathan for loving his son.

Posted by: smak

quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc
One other thing I noticed, you can have stories without Chloe and Pete (to to an extent Lana) all day long and not really feel their absence.

I totally felt the absence of Jonathan Kent. His being out of town really made the Kent farm feel differently.

I know they had to get him out of there so that this could be a Clark and Mom situation, and it was totally appropriate, but man was it different without him.

No way will he die or be removed from the series.

Well for the true Superman fan, and not the WB teenybopper, Kristin & Tom are hot fan, do we really even need Chloe, Pete & Lana on the show at all.

The only problem is, if every show was like this one, we'd get to the finale too quickly for the WB's tastes.

Kind of like the X-files. If you strung together only the mythology shows, it would have been a 2 season show.

As for Jonathan Kent. I guess with all the newer takes on Supes origins, Jonathan doesn't have to die, but if he were to die, i think it would be in one of the last 2 episodes.

-smak-

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by smak
As for Jonathan Kent. I guess with all the newer takes on Supes origins, Jonathan doesn't have to die, but if he were to die, i think it would be in one of the last 2 episodes.

Newer takes like the past 66 years? ;)

Superman was created in 1938. The Kents didn't die in the Superman mythos until 1963 in the Silver Age, and they both died as a result of a disease they caught on a Caribbean vacation. The 25 years prior (18 of which were the Golden Age) the Kents were alive. The Kents stayed dead (with Pa making a brief visit from the grave in 1980) through the Bronze Age and the Modern Age. In 1986 the Steel Age began and the Kents are alive and well to this day.

So, for the past 18 years (and 43 years out of the 66 Superman has been around) the Kents have been alive.

Not only is there not anything that says the Kents have to die in the mythos, it's actually the exception, not the rule.

My entire point with Smallville is that Jonathan won't die because he's too important to the show. But he could very well die at the end of the series.

Posted by: rhuntington3

Amazing episode!

Posted by: TonyD79

Okay. Just watched this. Magnificent sequences. Krypton. Lara. Lex's mom; his brother. The heart wrenching scenes at the end.

Now, some thoughts.

First off. They seem, to me, to be building to the power-driven not manically insane Lex Luthor. The man they are building seems to see what he thinks is "right" and will go after it. Better than the evil genius of the Silver Age, IMO. (Bryan, being an "arch-enemy" doesn't mean he has to be pure evil. As they are showing a Kal-El/Clark who is human, they are doing the same for Lex.)

It struck me tonight how much better this transition is than the Anakin to Darth one going on in Star Wars. ((((shudder))))

I am definately in the camp that says that Jor-El is not trying to get Kal to become a "ruler." Why do I say that after this episode? Because they are not using the cold, sterile Krypton from the memory sequence that Kal/Clark went thru. That Lara was concerned the Kal would be loved? Not the Byrne Krypton at all. More like the Silver Age Krypton.

And, let us put to rest that the voice of Jor-El is really General Zod or anything else. Kal heard the same voice in the memory tub. He is hearing Jor-El.

Damn, this show is good.

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by TonyD79
Bryan, being an "arch-enemy" doesn't mean he has to be pure evil.

Never did I say he has to be.

Posted by: TonyD79

quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc
Never did I say he has to be.

Oh, okay. Guess I read too much into your comment

quote:
Eventually he's got to become Superman's archenemy. With pretty little redeeming qualities. I just don't want to look at evil Lex when he's grown and think that he's that way because of a big mistake.

I guess I don't see the line you are drawing but, okay.

Also, I don't mind the twist of fate thing (what you called a mistake). It seems more that Lex is doomed to be a villian (every hero needs his villian, as Mr. Glass explains to us). In a way, if he realizes that it was all happenstance (or fate), he may just resign himself to being what people consider "bad."

Anyway, I love the complexity without losing sight of the Superman/Lex Luthor dynamic. These guys know how to make a comic book story fleshed out without destroying the simple mythos that we all loved as kids (or adults!).

Posted by: Bryanmc

Lex is evil. There's no question about that.

He's not pure evil, for that we look to someone like Satanus. Lex is human, has complexities, and he is evil.

He's not simply a bad man, or a misunderstood person, he is an evil villain.

Posted by: Peter000

quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc
Newer takes like the past 66 years? ;)

Superman was created in 1938. The Kents didn't die in the Superman mythos until 1963 in the Silver Age, and they both died as a result of a disease they caught on a Caribbean vacation. The 25 years prior (18 of which were the Golden Age) the Kents were alive. The Kents stayed dead (with Pa making a brief visit from the grave in 1980) through the Bronze Age and the Modern Age. In 1986 the Steel Age began and the Kents are alive and well to this day.

So, for the past 18 years (and 43 years out of the 66 Superman has been around) the Kents have been alive.

Not only is there not anything that says the Kents have to die in the mythos, it's actually the exception, not the rule.

My entire point with Smallville is that Jonathan won't die because he's too important to the show. But he could very well die at the end of the series.

Actually, as first created, wasn't Superman originally raised in an orphanage? Can't remember. I know in the Max Fleischer (sp?) animated cartoons that was part of the intro. And I don't have any reprints of Supe's first appearance.

Edit: Nevermind. Found this excerpt from this review of Superman #1 ...
Just before the doomed planet, Krypton, exploded into fragments, a scientist placed his infant son within an experimental rocket-ship, launching it toward earth!" Once the ship reached earth, the child was found by an elderly couple named Kent. At first, they placed the child in an orphanage, but returned to adopt the child as their own (much to the pleasure of the orphanage director, since the baby had been destroying everything in sight), naming him Clark. As years pass, the Kents shaped the boy's future, warning him to hide his powers to prevent people from being scared of him. As he grew older, the boy found that he could "hurdle skyscrapers... leap an eighth of a mile... raise tremendous weights... run faster than a streamline train... and nothing less than a bursting shell could penetrate his skin." After the death of his parents, Clark turned his strength to benefit mankind and created Superman, Champion of the oppressed.

ANOTHER Edit! I knew I wasn't nuts. :) Check out page 1 from Action Comics #1.

Posted by: RGM1138

quote:
Originally posted by TonyD79

And, let us put to rest that the voice of Jor-El is really General Zod or anything else. Kal heard the same voice in the memory tub. He is hearing Jor-El.

Yeah, except that it is "General Zod" in the guise of Terence Stamp. It shall ever be thus. And, for those of us who've seen the movies numerous times, it takes a little getting used to.

(Don't even get me started on Christopher Reeve as Dr. Swann). :)

That, aside, I assume that Clark is hearing the voice of Jor-El, who in the end, is a loving father that only wants the best for his son.

quote:

Damn, this show is good.

No argument there.

Bob

Posted by: JYoung

quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc
Lex is evil. There's no question about that.

He's not pure evil, for that we look to someone like Satanus. Lex is human, has complexities, and he is evil.

He's not simply a bad man, or a misunderstood person, he is an evil villain.

You mean he will become an evil villain. He's not quite there yet......

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by JYoung
You mean he will become an evil villain. He's not quite there yet......

Yeah, I was speaking of the old Lex, not Smallville Lex.

I was continuing the discussion I started of Lex as an adult in an earlier post. Sorry if there was any confusion.

Posted by: c3po33

quote:
Originally posted by LooseWiring
Something has been bothering me lately about this show.

Why has Lionel Luther not bugged the Kents Barn? Or their home? For a Billionaire who has gone to such extraordinary lengths to delve into Clark's secret it's pretty lame that he hasn't even thought of bugging them.

I mean, come on, it's not like he can't afford to hire a private detective or 10. Why isn't the Kent farm on 24-hour surveilence?

I thought the same thing in the barn scence why is it not bugged?

Great episode!!!!

Posted by: Mike20878

quote:
Originally posted by Peter000

ANOTHER Edit! I knew I wasn't nuts. :) Check out page 1 from Action Comics #1.

Interesting... I never knew his strength was anything other than a result of Earth's yellow sun. He is not supposed to have any powers under a red sun.

"Kent had come from a planet who inhabitants' physical structure was millions of years advanced of our own. Upon reaching maturity, the people of his race became gifted with titanic strength!"

When did the names Krypton, Kal El, etc. come into play?

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by Mike20878
Interesting... I never knew his strength was anything other than a result of Earth's yellow sun. He is not supposed to have any powers under a red sun.

"Kent had come from a planet who inhabitants' physical structure was millions of years advanced of our own. Upon reaching maturity, the people of his race became gifted with titanic strength!"

When did the names Krypton, Kal El, etc. come into play?

Yep, originally the entire Kryptonian race was super-human.

Many, many things changed those first years of publication.

Posted by: MalachiNY

Anyone heard word of the WB putting Smallville:Beginnings back on Sundays. They've been playing High School Reunion crap!

I didnt see season 2 and i here in seson 3 many references to it ... i.e. Lex said to Clark "did I ask questions when I found you sleeping in the middle of the street" ... or something like that.

Posted by: Mike20878

TV Gal spoilers for upcoming epsiode(s):

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Clark decides to tell Lana his secret so that they can finally be together on "Smallville." We will learn about the deal Jonathan made with Jor-El. And Kara, a beautiful girl from Kryptonite [sic], wants Clark to fulfill his destiny.

http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tv...7764|1|,00.html

Posted by: TonyD79

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Originally posted by RGM1138
Yeah, except that it is "General Zod" in the guise of Terence Stamp.

Damn! And all this time I thought Jor-El was a transsexual wandering the Australian outback!

:D

Posted by: Fleegle

quote:
Originally posted by Mike20878
TV Gal spoilers for upcoming epsiode(s):

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Clark decides to tell Lana his secret so that they can finally be together on "Smallville." We will learn about the deal Jonathan made with Jor-El. And Kara, a beautiful girl from Kryptonite [sic], wants Clark to fulfill his destiny.

http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tv...7764|1|,00.html

Holy CRAP!

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)

They're bringing in Supergirl AND Clark tells Lana about his powers?

I wonder if they'll keep Kara around for next season? That'd make an interesting dynamic...

Posted by: edc

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Originally posted by MalachiNY
Anyone heard word of the WB putting Smallville:Beginnings back on Sundays. They've been playing High School Reunion crap!

I didnt see season 2 and i here in seson 3 many references to it ... i.e. Lex said to Clark "did I ask questions when I found you sleeping in the middle of the street" ... or something like that.

Buy/rent the DVDs. They will be available in just a few weeks... (May 18).

Posted by: Bryanmc

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Originally posted by edc
Buy/rent the DVDs. They will be available in just a few weeks... (May 18).

I'll second that recommendation.

I've got the Season One disks and love them. They look fantastic, are in widescreen, and have a fair amount of extras.

Posted by: devdogaz

Excellent episode. Acting and writing were stellar and the intricacies of the relationships between the characters are are extremely interesting to watch. I love the scenes between Lex and Lionel. Not just in this episode, but in the whole series. They really did a great job casting those actors and writing their parts.

Loved the episode without Chloe and Pete. Their characters are simply fillers and when they are not around is when we usually get the best story development.

Posted by: Mike20878

Oh, and there's a good article about John Schneider directing the next episode:

Schneider Takes Over 'Smallville'

Teryl Rothery late of Stargate SG-1 will be making a guest appearance, btw.

Mike

Posted by: aaronw

So, I don't have a copy of the 1st episode lying around...

Did he actually say 'Lara' to the Kents in that episode (maybe when their truck was upside down?)

(A futurama-esque plot point inserted 3 years before its time?)

Posted by: MalachiNY

Just checked my TiVo and Beginngings will be back on Sunday the 9th.

Thanks Guys but the "ball and ch - the wife" wont let me buy TV shows on DVD ... just movies ... plus I'd buy Firefly before I buy Smallville.

Posted by: ruexp67

quote:
Originally posted by MalachiNY
Thanks Guys but the "ball and ch - the wife" wont let me buy TV shows on DVD ... just movies ...

:confused:

Succoming to "Chick Logic" is the first step to engaging in it. Beware.

Posted by: rtype

Just wanted to say... this was (IMHFO) the best episode of Smallville to date.

Posted by: IndyJones1023

Awesome powerful episode!

Posted by: glumlord

quote:
Originally posted by MalachiNY
Anyone heard word of the WB putting Smallville:Beginnings back on Sundays. They've been playing High School Reunion crap!

I didnt see season 2 and i here in seson 3 many references to it ... i.e. Lex said to Clark "did I ask questions when I found you sleeping in the middle of the street" ... or something like that.

That quote is from an episode where clark dreams about going to the cave and keeps on ending up there. He dreams he flies there and is flying in the cave with the octogonal key. One morning he wakes up in the middle of road in what appears late night, and lex barely avoids hitting him.