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Survivor 4/29 spoilers
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Posted by: newsposter
Obviously it's not finished yet but I'm mad at Tom for picking Brob to go on reward. If he thinks for one minute he will make it to final 2 he's nuts and I think he could have aligned himself with someone better tonight. I just don't think Brob will pull Tom to the end if he makes it that far.
Jenna was so petty with the fish thing. While Rup would have been wise to not to alienate anyone at this point, it's still his right to cook his own fish. My guess is he was just trying to stir them up.
One question as an aside. Doesn't pigging out on 'normal' food/drink mess up your stomach after you've been off it for a while?
Posted by: YCantAngieRead
Yeah, that's been a factor in the past.
I'm sick of seeing Rob. I hate when he wins stuff or people pick him for rewards because then I have to watch him.
And Tom has become completely unintelligible, from my perspective. I hardly understood one word he said tonight.
Posted by: jhausmann
quote:
Originally posted by newsposter
Obviously it's not finished yet but I'm mad at Tom for picking Brob to go on reward. If he thinks for one minute he will make it to final 2 he's nuts and I think he could have aligned himself with someone better tonight. I just don't think Brob will pull Tom to the end if he makes it that far.
Jenna was so petty with the fish thing. While Rup would have been wise to not to alienate anyone at this point, it's still his right to cook his own fish. My guess is he was just trying to stir them up.
One question as an aside. Doesn't pigging out on 'normal' food/drink mess up your stomach after you've been off it for a while?
Not just your stomach. It can fly right through ya...
Posted by: BeanMeScot
Shi Ann really said a mouthful tonight. I don't care for her, in general, but she sure hit the nail on the head tonight. The question is, is anyone listening?
Posted by: Dashel
Shii-Ann finally said what she should have been saying since Lex was voted out. IMO, she made a major mistake in waiting until tribal council to say it; after losing immunity it should have been her mantra around camp. What did she have to lose?
And how did she lose that immunity challenge anyway? Big Tom had to start over, and she still couldn't catch up? I'm a big Shii-Ann fan; she's easily been one of my favorites this season. I'm sorry to see her go. Oh well...
Posted by: newsposter
quote:
Originally posted by jhausmann
Not just your stomach. It can fly right through ya...
Where is that survivor porta-pottie anyways? and why isn't toilet paper ever a reward? :)
I thought Shi has a set on her. Even those that hate her are made uncomfortable by her. that means she is telling the truth, at least in part. They are so blinded they probably don't see Amber as winning. I was so happy when the happy couple lost the immunity challenge, but wish Shi would have won just to make the others angry.
Posted by: zyzzx
Jenna is the most annoying person on the show. "Go Big Tom. One more bucket, Big Tom." And she was pissed last week when Shii Ann gloated after winning the challenge?
Posted by: scubagal
ok... I needed sub-titles for the Tom and Bo scenes.... but did I hear correctly- ( and I rewinded it SEVERAL times)- that Tom said he wished it was his wife, or the neighbors wife and NOT his son who showed up???? While they were all drinking, etc.... I swear that is what he said.
I agree w/ Shi-Ann's vote about Amber, she could just take the whole thing.... BRob is a gamble, if he does make it to the final 2, he will either get NO votes, or ALL the votes.... you either respect he is playing the game, or be a big pissy baby (aka Lex, Alicia, etc) and take it as a big personal attack on your clearly fragile ego.
Posted by: AJRitz
I'm getting fed up with how stupidly these so-called all-stars are playing this game. They had a good shot to get rid of godfather Rob for the second week in a row, and they blew it. Tom is stupider than he sounds. Shi-Ann painted the picture for him - Shi-Ann, Tom, Rupert, Jenna could have dumped either Rob or Amber, and the one that was left would have been powerless to do anything about it. Whoever formed an alliance with enough votes to dump part of Ramber could have been the Final Four.
Posted by: Dashel
quote:
Originally posted by AJRitz
I'm getting fed up with how stupidly these so-called all-stars are playing this game. They had a good shot to get rid of godfather Rob for the second week in a row, and they blew it. Tom is stupider than he sounds. Shi-Ann painted the picture for him - Shi-Ann, Tom, Rupert, Jenna could have dumped either Rob or Amber, and the one that was left would have been powerless to do anything about it. Whoever formed an alliance with enough votes to dump part of Ramber could have been the Final Four.
At least on Big Brother the house members know you have to break up a couple. Why don't the Survivors see this?
Posted by: ClutchBrake
quote:
Originally posted by scubagal
ok... I needed sub-titles for the Tom and Bo scenes.... but did I hear correctly- ( and I rewinded it SEVERAL times)- that Tom said he wished it was his wife, or the neighbors wife and NOT his son who showed up???? While they were all drinking, etc.... I swear that is what he said.
You heard half of what he said. The other half was "when I saw what a romantic setting it was".
He was referring to the sleeping arrangements being more in line with something a couple would have been happy with rather than a father/son or brothers. Just his way of saying it was a little uncomfortable.
Posted by: TivoDaddy
quote:
Originally posted by scubagal
ok... I needed sub-titles for the Tom and Bo scenes.... but did I hear correctly- ( and I rewinded it SEVERAL times)- that Tom said he wished it was his wife, or the neighbors wife and NOT his son who showed up???? While they were all drinking, etc.... I swear that is what he said.
I believe he said his neighbor's wife's sister. :eek: I'm sure that will play out nicely when he gets home. :D
What a great opportunity to get rid of BRob again.
I'm getting annoyed with all of them now. Although I like Rupert, he needs to shut up about that damn spear.
Posted by: appleye1
quote:
Originally posted by ClutchBrake
You heard half of what he said. The other half was "when I saw what a romantic setting it was".
He was referring to the sleeping arrangements being more in line with something a couple would have been happy with rather than a father/son or brothers. Just his way of saying it was a little uncomfortable.
Yep that's right.
It's funny how some can understand Tom and some can't. After last week's thread where people were complaining they couldn't understand him, I paid special attention tonight as to whether I could understand Tom or not. He does have a real thick accent, but I don't seem to have any problem understanding him.
And no, I don't talk like him! But his farm is probably an hour and a half from here and I'm used to hearing people talk like Tom. Around here, we've got college professors. politicians, and company presidents that talk just like Tom, so you definitely can't use his accent or use of colloquialisms as an indicator of his intelligence. (The fact that he thinks Rob will take him to the end though, is definitely an indicator of a lack of intelligence!)
Posted by: Avian
I was rooting for shi-ann to the bitter end... oh well.
Posted by: ccouger
What about BRob telling his brother that Lex was a "dumb ass" and that he snaked him? He knows these comments are going to be on tv. So how is that part of his defense that "it's all a game, it's nothing to do with our friendship." At least Lex wasn't shown saying insults about Ethan when he voted Ethan out and told him it was just part of the game. I hate BRob's rudeness.
I was also surprised that Jenna's brother tried to argue with Jeff. I thought the water rule in the food challenge was pretty clear, after all.
Posted by: YCantAngieRead
quote:
You heard half of what he said. The other half was "when I saw what a romantic setting it was".
He was referring to the sleeping arrangements being more in line with something a couple would have been happy with rather than a father/son or brothers. Just his way of saying it was a little uncomfortable.
Heh heh heh. Okay. We replayed that scene over and over trying to figure out what he was saying about his neighbor's sister. (Count us in the camp that doesn't understand him. :D But I got the feeling that was more the alcohol than anything else.)
Posted by: smak
It seems to me that everybody's strategy is to make it to the final 3 and win immunity, because if they are going to fail to vote off Amber or Rob in every council, that's the only chance they are going to have to make it to the final 2.
I mean, everybody has an alliance with two people, who they probably think are around 99% to bring each other to the final 2.
My fear for Amber is that unless she stages her own coup pretty soon, nobody will realize she's been playing Rob the whole time.
I'm not sure that if she gets to final 2, and starts saying that it was all her plan from the beginning to latch on to Rob, and that she's the one to win.
Unfortunately, I can easily see the order for the next 3, it's not that hard to figure out, and unless somebody wises up, or wins immunity at an opportune time, it's going to be that way.
-smak-
Posted by: johndierks
Question about Survivor mechanics...
So the show is like 30 days long. Was all of that taped before the first episode aired? Or do the overlap the end of the game with the beginning of the airing?
Also, when you get voted off, and into the jury, does that mean you just chill at a cush hotel for the remainder of the game and show up at tribal councils?
Here's a great idea for another season: Maybe the outcasts should be voted into another tribe that those who haven't been voted out don't know about until later. They *think* they've gotten rid of people, but all of the sudden they realize that no one has actually left. Everyone's alliances and such are worthless when the number of votes unexpectedly doubles. I'm pretty new to survivor. Maybe they've already tried this. I know last season they brought back a few outcasts, but I'm thinking about everyone coming back.
Posted by: Mike Wells
IIRC everyone that gets voted out, starting with the beginning, are put up at a resort until the enitre taping is over. No publicity leaking out, no reports of "well, Richard Hatch showed up at his home a week after taping started, so he must have lost."
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
Well, with five people left, there's exactly one remaining clear shot at getting rid of Rob or Amber. I wonder if they'll continue to be a pack of moron lemmings..?
Posted by: scubagal
quote:
Originally posted by ccouger
What about BRob telling his brother that Lex was a "dumb ass" and that he snaked him? He knows these comments are going to be on tv. So how is that part of his defense that "it's all a game, it's nothing to do with our friendship." At least Lex wasn't shown saying insults about Ethan when he voted Ethan out and told him it was just part of the game. I hate BRob's rudeness.
I was also surprised that Jenna's brother tried to argue with Jeff. I thought the water rule in the food challenge was pretty clear, after all.
Not that we saw at least... but Lex didn't get many beer parties either ;)
Posted by: nyny523
Frankly, I think at this point BRob and Amber deserve the final 2 because the rest of them are all so stupid. Next week will be the last real opportunity to overthrow the Bomber alliance (if they both lose immunity). The smart move here would be to toss one of the 2 and scramble to the finish. This, of course, will not happen because they are all a bunch of dumb sheep. Oh well, if it does end up the Bomber duo as the final 2, that should be one interesting tribal council.
Posted by: newsposter
quote:
Originally posted by ccouger
What about BRob telling his brother that Lex was a "dumb ass" and that he snaked him?
Comments like these are why I wish that the voting didn't take place until the final live show. I know Burnett's the brain but couldn't you time the showing of the last live show to be maybe 1 week after the last person was voted off? It would give everyone 1 week to fatten up on loser island, maybe watch some video :) then they could vote and be even more informed!
Or would the American public not want to watch a survivor show every 3-4 days in real life? They run big brother that frequent and it's a success. I'm not an editor so maybe they need all those months to edit based on what they know is the final outcome because surely a few people know who won already.
Just food for thought.
Posted by: nyny523
I think if the contestants knew that what they were saying in their private interviews or private would be seen by other contestants prior to the voting, they would not be nearly as candid.
The whole point of showing us these conversations is to give us an inside look at their strategies and how they really feel - then we get to see the comparison between this reality and the way they play. It's one of the things that makes watching so interesting.
Posted by: mask2343
Boston Rob is continuing the most dominating game of Survivor ever played. He is dealing with strategic morons, but he is flat out dominating the game. He gets to choose who leaves, he gets to go on every rewards, and everyone thinks they have an alliance with him. He's in the Final 2 easily.
Posted by: newsposter
quote:
Originally posted by nyny523
I think if the contestants knew that what they were saying in their private interviews or private would be seen by other contestants prior to the voting, they would not be nearly as candid.
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I see your point but for one of the series it sure would be great if the reward was you got to see the raw footage of the private interviews! But I guess then everyone would watch what they said and we would all be bored to tears watching a love fest.
Posted by: AJRitz
I'm beginning to think that it's Amber and not Rob that goes to the final. If history is any indication, Rob is getting FAR more screen time now than Amber. Amber appears to have become almost an afterthought - which in Survivor world seems to often mean that the one who's been getting lots of screen time will go before the one that we haven't seen as much of.
Posted by: LooseWiring
quote:
Originally posted by AJRitz
I'm beginning to think that it's Amber and not Rob that goes to the final. If history is any indication, Rob is getting FAR more screen time now than Amber. Amber appears to have become almost an afterthought - which in Survivor world seems to often mean that the one who's been getting lots of screen time will go before the one that we haven't seen as much of.
Rob is getting more screen time because Amber is BORING. BRob likes to mix it up and talk smack about the other players.
I do believe that Amber's strategy could be a winning one. She attached herself to the Alpha Male of the group and is riding his coat tails. I don't believe for a second she has anything emotionally invested in BRob.
I would like to call Jenna, Rupert, Big Tom idiots for following BRob so blindly but quite frankly it's working for them. Boston Rob has stuck to his alliance with them and gotten rid of the last remnant of Mogo Mogo(excepting Alicia).
Now it's time to ditch old alliances and play all out for the win. If Rob and Amber survive next week they deserve to win.
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
quote:
Originally posted by LooseWiring
I do believe that Amber's strategy could be a winning one. She attached herself to the Alpha Male of the group and is riding his coat tails.
Yeah, she's this year's Rudy. The difference is, with Rudy A) nobody saw what he was doing, and B) he was unlucky at the end with the immunity challenges. Everybody sees what Amber's up to, so the only thing that can save her is if everybody else is a moron.
Not a big if, I must admit...
Posted by: mwhip
quote:
Originally posted by TivoDaddy
I believe he said his neighbor's wife's sister. :eek: I'm sure that will play out nicely when he gets home. :D
It's just a southern reference, I have always heard things like that.
Rob is getting too comfortable, and Amber is playing him. She knows that he will do the dirty work (Lex, Alicia) and she will come out smelling like a rose. Rob will not break anything with her, however how can Big Tom be so stupid to see his buddy Rob cuddling with a hot girl and still think Rob wants to take him to the final two?
I think it will come down to Rob, Jenna and Amber. At this point Rob can not win against anyone. My only hope is that Jenna, Tom and Rupert form and alliance. First order of business get rid of Amber, no one but Rupert can beat her in the final. Someone needs to take Rob to the final two though.
Posted by: zync
quote:
Originally posted by ccouger
I was also surprised that Jenna's brother tried to argue with Jeff. I thought the water rule in the food challenge was pretty clear, after all.
The rule stated that once they showed their mouths then they were clear and could then take a glass a water. At least with the rules shown on TV water drinking *during* the eating was not directly banned.
I'm surrounded by masters of rule interpretation - the rules as Jeff explained them and as *we* heard them leaves the door wide open for drinking water during the eating phase.
It was a valid protest IMO.
Posted by: Beancounter25
Did anybody NOT immediately pick Rob's brother and Bucky Bo to be the final two in that challenge? I wonder how long that grub wriggled around in Bucky Bo's tummy before it died? He inhaled that sucker!
Posted by: Dashel
quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Well, with five people left, there's exactly one remaining clear shot at getting rid of Rob or Amber. I wonder if they'll continue to be a pack of moron lemmings..?
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Judging from next week's preview Tom has wised up but Rupert is still a moron. Maybe he realizes that he couldn't swing Jenna who, IMO, is much closer to Rob and Amber than the other two are.
Posted by: Skittles
I think too many people are counting on going with Boston Rob to the final 2/3/4 at this point. They're expecting to go up against him in the final 2, and win, because Rob has been a manipulative, lying player while the others have just coasted (sans Rupert).
While I give Shii-Ann credit for stirring the pot last night, and really creating some tension, how stupid was it to try and organize a vote against Jenna, of all people? C'mon, girl. With six left, you should have organized against BRob. You could have EASILY swayed Rupert and Jenna against him, and probably Tom if you knew what to say (or got Rupert and Jenna behind the vote). At the very least, a tie vote situation would have mixed things up far more than the speech. But, what can ya do...
In any case, I expect Rupert gone next week, barring immunity. I can't imagine anyone wanting to go up against him in the final 2.
Posted by: kc2jib
I was dissapointed that they didn't show Jenna much during the immunity challenge. They showed her at the beginning and when she ran out of matches.
Posted by: xuxa
quote:
Originally posted by TivoDaddy
I believe he said his neighbor's wife's sister. :eek: I'm sure that will play out nicely when he gets home. :D
No big deal, he most likely lives next to his sister-in-law.
neighbor's wife's sister=wife
Posted by: Chandler Mike
I find it funny that a lot of people hate Rob, when he's one of the best Survivors to ever play the game.
I mean, getting Lex to save Amber when he wasn't even IN THAT TRIBE has to go down as one of the greatest strategic moves in the history of the show.
Yeah, he lies, has alliances with everyone, but I don't see how that somehow makes him different than anyone else on this show. Lex sold out Ethan, and then Jerri, yet people feel bad for him.
What about Amber? I too don't think she likes Rob NEARLY as much as he likes her, and she'll turn on him in a second. So she is playing with his feelings on top of playing the game. That's almost as cold as Jonny Fairplay's Grandma moment.
Rob is playing the game the best, and deserves to win. Everyone else just sits around and waits until something happens. Rob should win just based on the fact that he's played better than everyone else.
Not since Rich in Season 1 has one guy dominated as much as he has. If his fire hadn't gone out, he would have won immunity by a mile.
Mike
Posted by: Frank_M
quote:
Originally posted by newsposter
Comments like these are why I wish that the voting didn't take place until the final live show. I know Burnett's the brain but couldn't you time the showing of the last live show to be maybe 1 week after the last person was voted off? It would give everyone 1 week to fatten up on loser island, maybe watch some video :) then they could vote and be even more informed!
Or would the American public not want to watch a survivor show every 3-4 days in real life? They run big brother that frequent and it's a success. I'm not an editor so maybe they need all those months to edit based on what they know is the final outcome because surely a few people know who won already.
Just food for thought.
That's the difference, though, between Survivor and Big Brother. Survivor is all about editing. It's done so well, they are able to tell compelling stories. Set things up one week, have them pay off down the road.
But because of the immediacy of BB (one, two day turnaround.. or live) it's just random highlights of what just happened (with no knowledge of what is to come).
Posted by: Sarahbelle18
Rupert better pray for immunity next week...otherwise I feel he'll be the one to go.
He may have an alliance with Jenna but it seems very weak.
Rob has Amber, Jenna, and Tom eating out of his hand.
Posted by: grecorj
quote:
Originally posted by Chandler Mike
I find it funny that a lot of people hate Rob, when he's one of the best Survivors to ever play the game.
<snip>
Not since Rich in Season 1 has one guy dominated as much as he has. If his fire hadn't gone out, he would have won immunity by a mile.
Mike
Actually, the other Rob, Rob C. on Survivor Amazon (Season 6), was probably just as good a player as Boston Rob, and he finished 3rd. Up until the last challenge, it really looked like Rob C. was going to win it all.
My only point it: Just b/c Boston Rob has dominated until now doesn't mean he'll win it all. The strongest players don't always win Survivor.
Posted by: cpalma
quote:
Rob is playing the game the best, and deserves to win. Everyone else just sits around and waits until something happens. Rob should win just based on the fact that he's played better than everyone else.
quote:
Boston Rob is continuing the most dominating game of Survivor ever played. He is dealing with strategic morons, but he is flat out dominating the game. He gets to choose who leaves, he gets to go on every rewards, and everyone thinks they have an alliance with him. He's in the Final 2 easily.
You two said it better than me, and I agree with both of you. He's flat out playing the game the best, even if no one likes it or him.
Man, he's not only still in the game, but he's being included in the rewards when he loses!! There must be lots of stuff that happens that we don't see for Rob to have that much power over these people.
We were forced to listen to Shi-Ann just a bit. Can you imagine living with her for 30 something days??? I feel like Jenna--I'd want to put a gun in my mouth too. Then again, I'd bet a lot of the contestants are feeling that way about Jenna about now.
When Big Tom took Rob to the reward challenge, all I could think was, Wow, there's gonna be 4 obnoxious drunks running around that island.
I got confused with the fish thing. Rupert kept saying to Jenna and the camera, no one helps me clean em, why shouldn't I enjoy my fish now. However, he never once said that (on-camera) to any other of the survivors. That was a valid point. Why didn't he just say, they're right over there. Go get them? Maybe it wasn't the right time to pull a tantrum, but I thought his point was valid. He wasn't denying anyone fish, he just said he wasn't going to (basically) put them in their mouths.
Posted by: newsposter
quote:
Originally posted by kc2jib
I was dissapointed that they didn't show Jenna much during the immunity challenge. They showed her at the beginning and when she ran out of matches.
what would have happened if they all ran out of matches? the game said that the first one to light the thing on fire wins so they can't win by default just being the last person. is there a tie breaker?
Posted by: TreborPugly
My theory on Big Tom choosing Rob for the reward was that he probably said he'd just let the second place person come with him. So he really picked Rob's brother. But that wouldn't make for as much controversy, so they didn't show that part.
On the fish cleaning bit:
1. Rupert was being whiny about nobody helping him clean the fish. It might be true, but nobody likes a whiner.
2. Jenna was being ultra whiny about him not cleaning fish for them. She should have kept her mouth shut.
3. Then Shi-ann was whiny about Jenna being whiny. Ugh! Make it stop!
I don't think it is any great surprise to anyone left that Amber is in a very strong position. But I think that if BRob makes it to the end, he will get the vote of everyone voted off from now on, including Shi-Ann, for being an excellent player. He might even get Cathy's vote. Amber wouldn't do well against BRob, because she obviously rode his coat-tails.
I really can't see anyone making the "better player" argument against BRob. If he is in the final two, the only hope the other person has is personal dislike of Rob.
Posted by: pmyers
If I was Shi-ann, I would have handled it totally different (than at least we saw). I would have waited until everybody was together and then openly start bringing up the fact that everybody thinks that they are going to the final 2/4 with Rob and how they have to break up the rob/amber alliance. Why bother doing it in private? A simple "raise your hand if you think you are going to the final 2 with Rob" would have really opened a lot of people's eyes.
Posted by: Skittles
I dunno. I'd be interested in seeing a Rupert/BRob final two. Rupert can make a good arguement that not only was he the workhorse of the tribe, he came into the game at a disadvantage since he was just three days off of the Pearl Islands season before having to come right back to Panama and play the game again. I think, given the choice between Boston Rob and Rupert, Rupert would end up getting more votes.
Posted by: kc2jib
quote:
Originally posted by newsposter
what would have happened if they all ran out of matches? the game said that the first one to light the thing on fire wins so they can't win by default just being the last person. is there a tie breaker?
I not sure what would have happened, I assume that they would have given them all some more matches and would have tried again.
Posted by: mwhip
quote:
Originally posted by Skittles
I dunno. I'd be interested in seeing a Rupert/BRob final two. Rupert can make a good arguement that not only was he the workhorse of the tribe, he came into the game at a disadvantage since he was just three days off of the Pearl Islands season before having to come right back to Panama and play the game again. I think, given the choice between Boston Rob and Rupert, Rupert would end up getting more votes.
I would love to see comparison photo of Rupert from the beggining of Pearl Islands to now. He has lost a lot of weight.
Posted by: pmyers
How about Rupert almost ravaging his wife.
Posted by: KRS
Big Tom: "That's about the ignorantest thing I've heard." :-)
At first I was shocked that Tom didn't pick Rupert for the reward. Either he didn't think at all and just went with Rob because his brother came in second (likely) or he took Rob:
- to prevent scheming behind his back
- to encourage scheming about Rob
- to kiss up to Rob
- to avoid having to see/hear Rupert doing the ugly with his wife
- to rebel against the annoying group consensus that he should pick Rupert
As for the food challenge, once again my wife and I were both wondering if it was really worth eating that disgusting "food" to see your loved one one week before the game ends. I would be like "I love you, but I'll see you in a week" by the time the boiled tarantula came out (if not sooner)!
Posted by: pmyers
quote:
Originally posted by KRS
As for the food challenge, once again my wife and I were both wondering if it was really worth eating that disgusting "food" to see your loved one one week before the game ends. I would be like "I love you, but I'll see you in a week" by the time the boiled tarantula came out (if not sooner)!
true...but there is also the good food/drink/shelter that comes with the prize that could really help out a person to finish the game. Not to mention that this game really is a mental game and seeing a loved one could really help them out, mentally.
Posted by: LlamaLarry
I don't watch commercials any more, but are they going to do the free car thing this season? I was kind of expecting it with this challenge, but then again I can't remember if they did it last season either.
Posted by: Turtleboy
quote:
Originally posted by Skittles
I dunno. I'd be interested in seeing a Rupert/BRob final two. Rupert can make a good arguement that not only was he the workhorse of the tribe, he came into the game at a disadvantage since he was just three days off of the Pearl Islands season before having to come right back to Panama and play the game again. I think, given the choice between Boston Rob and Rupert, Rupert would end up getting more votes.
Are you sure about those 3 days?
Posted by: Skittles
quote:
Originally posted by Turtleboy
Are you sure about those 3 days?
Yep. It was mentioned a few times by Probst in this season, as well as in the Pearl Islands reunion show.
Posted by: Beancounter25
"Are you sure about that 5 minutes? Are you sure about that 5 minutes?"
"I'm sorry, did you just say you're a fast cook? Do you expect us to believe that water soaks into a grit faster on your stove than anywhere else in the universe? Are you telling us that the laws of physics cease to exist in your kitchen?"
God, I love that movie.
Posted by: cwoody222
quote:
Originally posted by johndierks
Question about Survivor mechanics...
So the show is like 30 days long. Was all of that taped before the first episode aired? Or do the overlap the end of the game with the beginning of the airing?
Also, when you get voted off, and into the jury, does that mean you just chill at a cush hotel for the remainder of the game and show up at tribal councils?
They usually overlap filming and airing. At least in the first season towards the very end they actually went somewhere to watch the first episode air on TV.
And yes, once voted off you stick around. Everyone sticks around, not just Jury members... because they have to keep secret to the public who makes it to the end.
Posted by: vman
I thought Tom's review of what everyone was doing at camp was great, especially the "Shii-Ann's trying to make an alliance with a bush, since she's tried everybody else."
While I agree picking Jenna may not have been the best target, I think she knew pretty early on that she was gone. It just doesn't make sense for them to keep her around and definitely let her be the swing vote next week at 5 remaining contestants. (I'm not sure why she thought she was the swing vote this week).
Also, for my money the used car salesman/soft porn guy was equally dominanta player as Rob this year and Rich the first year, although for the most part he was going up against people even stupider than this group.
Oh yeah, "My Counsin Vinny"
Posted by: kettledrum
As far as understanding Big Tom we just pause the show and put on the closed captioning if we think it's something important. Or even if it's not important and we just go "huh?" We can understand him sometimes, but usually not.
I too thought that Big Tom picked BRob to share in the reward because BRob's brother finished 2nd in the challenge. That's the only way to pick someone and not play favorites.
Rupert had a valid point about the fishys, but I don't think it was a smart move to make at this point in the game. I hope it doesn't bite him later. I'm also glad that the comments he made about the spear were to the camera and not in front of everyone.
I was surprised to hear BRob say at Tribal Council that he wasn't as proficient at fishing. A while back when they first got the Hawaiian Sling wasn't BRob raggin on Rupert to Big Tom and then also caught a bunch of fish with it??
Posted by: Chandler Mike
quote:
Originally posted by grecorj
Actually, the other Rob, Rob C. on Survivor Amazon (Season 6), was probably just as good a player as Boston Rob, and he finished 3rd. Up until the last challenge, it really looked like Rob C. was going to win it all.
My only point it: Just b/c Boston Rob has dominated until now doesn't mean he'll win it all. The strongest players don't always win Survivor.
True, Rob C. is one of my favorites, i wanted him to go far this game, but again, BRob was smart, and got rid of him. He knew he'd be competition.
And remember that no one really liked Richard Hatch in season 1, but gave him the million because he played so hard and better than everyone else.
I could see people voting for Rob because of that reason. I know I would.
Mike
Posted by: DLiquid
quote:
Originally posted by scubagal
you either respect he is playing the game, or be a big pissy baby (aka Lex, Alicia, etc) and take it as a big personal attack on your clearly fragile ego.
The way BRob constantly ridicules the others and calls them stupid, how is that not personal? Last night he had a segment where he talked about how stupid Tom and his son were. Seems pretty personal. Then he explained to his brother what a dumb ass Lex was for believing his false promise. Maybe he hid this part of his personality from others during the show, maybe not, but I don't think the others are pissy babies for being mad at someone who breaks their promise and shows them ZERO respect.
Posted by: ClutchBrake
I wouldn't look too much into what was said between BRob and his brother. To me it was abundantly clear that BRob was just puffing his feathers for his brother. He wanted to show off how he was the alpha male.
Posted by: TivoDaddy
quote:
Originally posted by kettledrum
As far as understanding Big Tom we just pause the show and put on the closed captioning if we think it's something important. Or even if it's not important and we just go "huh?" We can understand him sometimes, but usually not.
Hah! I try to do that as well when I can't comprehend what he's saying. I'm hoping that the person responsible for the close captioning starts writing something like "I have no idea what this hillbilly is saying, do you...?" Reminds me of the movie "Airplane" where they were showing the news and a woman on the corner of the TV who was translating for the deaf, was making inappropriate gestures with her hands. :D
Posted by: Doh
I thought it was interesting that when Boston Rob was talking to his brother he said he could definitely trust Amber, but not trust Big Tom, when it seems like the truth may be the reverse.
the "alliance with a bush" shot was priceless.
Posted by: newsposter
quote:
Originally posted by TivoDaddy
Reminds me of the movie "Airplane" where they were showing the news and a woman on the corner of the TV who was translating for the deaf, was making inappropriate gestures with her hands. :D
What about the old lady talking jive with the black guys? Great movie!
When they showed some brothers coming onto survivor, I was waiting to see who had a dead grandmother this time. Or would that never be tried again?
Posted by: eskay
Here's what I'm thinking...
If I'm eliminated from a challenge and I have a mouthful of fishhead, I'm probably going to stop chewing and spit it out. I guess Amber's mom doesn't think the same way I do.
What was *that* about?
Posted by: RichardHead
quote:
Originally posted by eskay
Here's what I'm thinking...
If I'm eliminated from a challenge and I have a mouthful of fishhead, I'm probably going to stop chewing and spit it out. I guess Amber's mom doesn't think the same way I do.
What was *that* about?
It's not polite to spit out your food but if you have to, you should spit it discreetly into a napkin. I didn't see no stinkin' napkin!
Didn't your mom teach you anything? :D
Posted by: jhausmann
quote:
Originally posted by RichardHead
It's not polite to spit out your food but if you have to, you should spit it discreetly into a napkin. I didn't see no stinkin' napkin!
Didn't your mom teach you anything? :D
Fishheads ain't food, it's crab bait.
Posted by: frankmint
quote:
Originally posted by vman
Also, for my money the used car salesman/soft porn guy was equally dominanta player as Rob this year and Rich the first year, although for the most part he was going up against people even stupider than this group.
"
Agreed. Brian, next to Hatch was the best player I have seen. Like Richard, he basically stated his strategy from week one and it worked for him. Luck can only explain why Boston Rob is still here. I like him, but boy, he should have been gone long ago....
Posted by: bicker
quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Everybody sees what Amber's up to
So far, only Shi-Ann clear does. Boston Rob refuses to even consider the idea, even when proposed to him by his brother.
Posted by: bicker
quote:
Originally posted by newsposter
He's flat out playing the game the best, even if no one likes it or him.
There is something to be said for playing a very strong game for Second Place. $100K is $100K, and many folks would choose, say, a 25% chance at $100K over a 7% chance at $1M.
Posted by: devdogaz
FYI, Rupert was home for much longer than three days between the taping of these two series. We know that All Stars finished filming 3 days before the airing of the Peral Islands finale in November. This means it AS started filming sometime in October. Since Pearl Islands began airing in September, and was complete a month or two before that, I would guess Rupert had at least 3 and possible as many as 6 months at home between the two seasons.
Also, I thought it was very stupid of Shii Ann to try to get everyone to vote for Jenna and then in the middle of her TC speech, she she changed from saying she was going to vote for the most "annoying" person, to the person who she thought was going to win. If any of the other players had actually been thinking about voting for Jenna, they definitely changed their minds there when they found out they wouldn't have Shii Ann's vote.
Posted by: YCantAngieRead
Actually, wasn't there talk that Rupert may have only been home for a week or less between the leaving of AS and the PI finale? And in regards to how long he'd been home, it can't have been more than a month or two.
quote:
The way BRob constantly ridicules the others and calls them stupid, how is that not personal?
I agree. I cannot respect his game when it's all about being a hypocrite-saying one thing to people's faces and another behind their backs is NEVER respectable game-play, in my opinion. If others want to think so, fine, but realize there are some of us for whom this is too big a stumbling block.
Posted by: BelugaWhale
quote:
Originally posted by devdogaz
Also, I thought it was very stupid of Shii Ann to try to get everyone to vote for Jenna and then in the middle of her TC speech, she she changed from saying she was going to vote for the most "annoying" person, to the person who she thought was going to win. If any of the other players had actually been thinking about voting for Jenna, they definitely changed their minds there when they found out they wouldn't have Shii Ann's vote.
From what we saw, nobody was really hot on the idea of forming an alliance against Jenna. Nobody wanted to commit. I'm pretty sure that she knew she was a goner by the time tribal council came around.
Posted by: n/a
quote:
Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
Actually, wasn't there talk that Rupert may have only been home for a week or less between the leaving of AS and the PI finale? And in regards to how long he'd been home, it can't have been more than a month or two.
I agree. I cannot respect his game when it's all about being a hypocrite-saying one thing to people's faces and another behind their backs is NEVER respectable game-play, in my opinion. If others want to think so, fine, but realize there are some of us for whom this is too big a stumbling block.
While i hate BRob as much as the next guy...
It's a freakin game. Who cares if he's a hypocrite or people's feelings get hurt.
If I went, I'd want to come home with a million bucks! NOTHING else matters.
I hope BRob doesn't get it, but he does deserve it.
Posted by: brianric
I'm starting to understand the hold Boston Rob has over everyone. It is the Jim Jones Jonestown effect, just drink the purple Kool Aide. :D
Posted by: bobsbizzy
Certainly, apart from Brob and possible Amber, "All Stars" is definately a misnomer for the title of this game.
The real all stars (Ethan, Hatch, possibly even Tina) were voted off early because they'd already won the Million bucks.
The rest of the collection are really "Have played the game before but are not Stars". Otherwise we'd have some really great scheming going on. Instead it's all dominated by one person and the rest are acting like they've not even seen the game before!!
As much as I love watching Rupert, he's not an all star in my mind as he doesn't know how to strategize in the game, he's too simple / niave for that it seems.
I think we've seen nothing to really demonstrate if Amber is the smartest player in the game so far, or is hanging on the coat tails of the strongest player. She'll have to do something on her own initative before we'd know that.
Alicia did nothing to add to the strategy of the game.
Shi Ann managed to alienate everyone in this game just as she did in her previous survivor. Annoying Hypocrite!
Up to now they've all been too afraid to challenge Boston Rob (what a sucker Lex turned out to be!). That's two immunity challenges BRob has lost and no ones turned on him. He's not likely to keep on losing these challenges so another opportunity may be a fair way off.
All stars my ..............:o
Posted by: Redleg
Tom had the funniest line of the night, describing what the other survivors were up to... "Shi Ann is making an alliance with a bush." That floored me! :D
Posted by: frankmint
did i notice correctly that BRob was wearing his brother's shirt at tribal?
Posted by: YCantAngieRead
Yeah, he was. I noticed that too. They're starting to get full wardrobes out there, with the raincoats, the sarongs from the reward trip, etc.
quote:
It's a freakin game. Who cares if he's a hypocrite or people's feelings get hurt.
That's exactly why I can't respect it. I was brought up to play games more ethically than that. Now I understand why other people might think he's playing a good game, so I don't dispute that opinion. I'm just saying from my perspective and my background, it's not worthy of a win in a game of raquetball, let alone a game worth $1 million. So I guess he's lucky I'm not on the jury, should he make it to the finale.
In games, I think, even though it's not the way the world works, the real winner is the person or group of persons who earns my respect at the end of the day. Just MHO.
Posted by: IJustLikeTivo
I don't understand this. BRob even has the viewers hoodwinked. The person playing the best game is Amber. She has done virtually nothing and yet she is right on course to get into the final two. Should she make it, she will win since she has not really offended anyone wheras BRob has given everyone the shiv at some point. The ONLY person who saw that was ShiAnn and she's gone. Whether they listen to her parting shot or not is up to them. Did you see how upset Amber was when the vote was shown. She new that she had been marked. the question is will they act on it? Being the morons, they are, my guess is no!
Posted by: n/a
Nope.
The real winner is the one that gets the check for a cool million.
All others are real losers.
Posted by: Hpirx
I know it probably would have been futile,
But when they ran out of matches during the immunity challenge,
not one of them tried to get a fire going by other means.
I think it would have showed some spirit.
Regarding fire-making, during the first or second episode this season
all tribes had trouble getting a fire going w/ the friction method.
I know that at least one of the women had eyeglasses with them.
Was it just ignorance, or are there rules preventing you from using
the ol' magnifying glass trick.
Posted by: MikeekiM
Once they are down to four, there is no chance at all to avoid Rob/Amber as the final two... They are guaranteed to ALWAYS combine their votes, so whatever happens, you gotta be able to get past that...
Next week is their absolute last chance to combine the remaining three votes to cast away either Rob or Amber... Otherwise their hosed...
I am shocked that they have let those to take such a power position... Is this survivor all-stars, or survivor pre-school?
Posted by: MikeekiM
quote:
Originally posted by Hpirx
I know it probably would have been futile,
But when they ran out of matches during the immunity challenge,
not one of them tried to get a fire going by other means.
I think it would have showed some spirit.
<BRob>
Psst... Hey Shi-Ann... You gimme some of your matches, I'll help you out later IF I CAN... Whadaya say Shi-Ann... Howabout it?
</BRob>
Posted by: faerie
quote:
Originally posted by eskay
Here's what I'm thinking...
If I'm eliminated from a challenge and I have a mouthful of fishhead, I'm probably going to stop chewing and spit it out. I guess Amber's mom doesn't think the same way I do.
What was *that* about?
Shii-Ann's mom did the same thing with the cockroach. I would have taken that water, rinsed my mouth out and then spit the water and whatever was left over out into the bushes. Ick.
Posted by: dr_mal
quote:
Originally posted by cwoody222
They usually overlap filming and airing. At least in the first season towards the very end they actually went somewhere to watch the first episode air on TV.
The first season was the only one where filming and airing overlapped. Since then, filming has been complete well before the first episode airs.
I thought it was really interesting to have the first completed episode being shown as reward during the game.
Posted by: DLL66
Shii-ann is gone.......ABOUT freakin' TIME!!!!!!! What was her saying a couple weeks ago? Stupid, Stupid people??? Well, how 'bout Stupid, Stupid Shii-Ann!! She's another that couldn't figure her way out of a paper bag filled with holes!
GO AMBER!!! :)
Posted by: bicker
Shii-ann at least knew her own failings. Seems that Tom and Rupert have no idea what is going to hit them. "Stupid, stupid players."
Posted by: TheDewAddict
quote:
Originally posted by MikeekiM
Once they are down to four, there is no chance at all to avoid Rob/Amber as the final two... They are guaranteed to ALWAYS combine their votes, so whatever happens, you gotta be able to get past that...
Next week is their absolute last chance to combine the remaining three votes to cast away either Rob or Amber... Otherwise their hosed...
Not necessarrilly true. When it gets down to three, there is an endurance challenge. Whoever wins picks the person they want voted off, since the two losers votes will cancel each other out. I.E. say the final three were Rupert, BRob, and Amber. If Rupert won that challenge, he could vote off BRob and go to the Final Two with Amber.
Posted by: ADent
quote:
Originally posted by TheDewAddict
Not necessarrilly true. When it gets down to three, there is an endurance challenge. Whoever wins picks the person they want voted off, since the two losers votes will cancel each other out. I.E. say the final three were Rupert, BRob, and Amber. If Rupert won that challenge, he could vote off BRob and go to the Final Two with Amber.
Is that how it is going to work this time? There are only two episodes left - a one hour show on Thur and a 2 hour finale on Sun.
Posted by: IJustLikeTivo
There is nothing new about that. They've been doing a long episode with 4 people for a while now. At least I seem to remember it that way.
Posted by: Skittles
Even when it gets down to the final four, if there's a tie vote between two people (and they can't break the tie through a second vote), then they usually go to previous votes cast against them.
Amber's got several against her, and they've made a point of showing those votes.
Posted by: n/a
quote:
Originally posted by Skittles
Even when it gets down to the final four, if there's a tie vote between two people (and they can't break the tie through a second vote), then they usually go to previous votes cast against them.
Amber's got several against her, and they've made a point of showing those votes.
They don't read all the votes cast.
They've only done previous votes cast once (maybe twice).
Posted by: Skittles
Right, but look at the scenarios when they don't show all the votes cast in this particular season. It's always a unanimous, or near unanimous vote.
Posted by: devdogaz
They do show all the votes during the credits at the end of the show.
Posted by: brianric
quote:
Originally posted by devdogaz
They do show all the votes during the credits at the end of the show.
You can also go to CBS.com to see the results.
Posted by: rseligman
quote:
Originally posted by TheDewAddict
say the final three were Rupert, BRob, and Amber. If Rupert won that challenge, he could vote off BRob and go to the Final Two with Amber.
That just proves the insanity. Why would anyone want to go to the final two with either BRob or Amber? He'd win for playing the game well, and she for playing Rob well.
If I were on that island, I'd do everything I could to bring Shii-Ann to the final two with me. That's just a no-brainer.
Posted by: rseligman
quote:
Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
That's exactly why I can't respect it. I was brought up to play games more ethically than that.
Then you must be really bad at racquetball, tennis, baseball, football, basketball, poker, chess, etc.
A valid strategy for most games is to mislead your opponent. In any ball game, you might aim one way and hit another way, or let your body language indicate a power shot, and then you hit a soft one. These are all ways that you intentionally mislead, outwit, and lie to your opponent. You're just doing it with body language instead of verbal language. In poker, you even use verbal language to mislead your opponent.
Survivor is no different. "Outwit" and "outplay" are even part of its motto. I don't see why everyone gets upset when the players exhibit exactly the same strategy that they would in any other game. Any poker player who announced "I only play ethically, so I'll never lie" is going to lose fast, just like any Survivor player.
Scheming is the whole point of Survivor. You can't blame players for following the rules. It may be annoying how some of them gloat about it, but they're still just playing the game.
Posted by: BeanMeScot
quote:
Originally posted by Lurker-d
How long did Rupert have between games?
O.K. If you can follow this, it shows Rupert had more than 3 days between the last Tribal council for Pearl Islands and the beginning of the All Stars game.
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http://epguides.com/Survivor/
Pearl Islands final episode before the reunion show
107. 7-14 713 14 Dec 03 Flames and Endurance
The final four are Darrah, Lill, Sandra and Jon. b: 14-Dec-2003 pc: 713
NOTE: Filmed during the week of July 31, 2003.
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Rupert voted out of Pear Islands approx. June 19th
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http://www.survivornews.net/news.php?id=325
Monday, November 3, 2003
The All Star game should be starting today, and SNN has learned that Rupert is among the castaways vying for the million dollar prize.
Our estimated end date of December 11 (give or take) is only a few days before the live televised finale of Survivor: Pearl Islands in Panama City on December 14. That would enable Rupert to finish up the S8 game and still participate in the S7 televised finale.
NOTE: Jenna M. leaves the game in order to be with her mother. She is the
second winner to leave Survivor: All-Stars, and is also the second contestant
to quit the game. Jenna's mother died November 19th, 2003, 8 days after Jenna returned home from the Pearl Islands.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
(They did change from the live televised finale of Survivor: Pearl Islands in Panama City to it being in L.A.)
Rupert could have been home from the week after July 31, 2003 until the start
of All Stars 11/2/2003, and completed All Stars and then been available for Pearl Islands Reunion show. Now he may not have found out he was going to the
All Stars with more than 3 days to get ready, but that's another story.
I thought at some point that Jeff Probst specifically mentioned that Rupert had only been away from the island for 30 days and was back again.
Posted by: Peter000
quote:
Originally posted by rseligman
Then you must be really bad at racquetball, tennis, baseball, football, basketball, poker, chess, etc.
A valid strategy for most games is to mislead your opponent. In any ball game, you might aim one way and hit another way, or let your body language indicate a power shot, and then you hit a soft one. These are all ways that you intentionally mislead, outwit, and lie to your opponent. You're just doing it with body language instead of verbal language. In poker, you even use verbal language to mislead your opponent.
Survivor is no different. "Outwit" and "outplay" are even part of its motto. I don't see why everyone gets upset when the players exhibit exactly the same strategy that they would in any other game. Any poker player who announced "I only play ethically, so I'll never lie" is going to lose fast, just like any Survivor player.
Scheming is the whole point of Survivor. You can't blame players for following the rules. It may be annoying how some of them gloat about it, but they're still just playing the game.
C'mon. I can't believe you're seriously arguing that those games (aside from possibly poker) use any of the same strategy of Survivor. Sure you can play them unethically, but it's unneccessary and even detrimental if you do (pentalties for fouls, pass interference, etc.). None of them, not even poker, dictate you lie to your teammates or form alliances with anyone but who's on your same team, and those are implied. And "outwit" isn't the same as lie. The original intent of the word would be one of "Be smarter in the mental challenge" but it quickly became more. "Outplay," the same thing, probably meaning "do better in the physical aspect of the game."
I see your point, that there's no rules against lying, and it may even be encouraged, but to compare it to the other games are silly. The only other games I would compare it to would be maybe board games like Monopoly or Risk. Even in poker, you never say "I have a flush." or "I don't have squat." You just bet, and people make assumptions based on that. Usually in Poker there are no alliances either.
Survivor is pretty unique that way.
Posted by: rseligman
quote:
Originally posted by Peter000
C'mon. I can't believe you're seriously arguing that those games (aside from possibly poker) use any of the same strategy of Survivor.
What I'm saying is that people who complain about the "unethical" strategies in Survivor need to gain a better understanding of how games are played every single day. The games I mentioned all involve lying or deceiving your opponent as generally accepted strategies. This has nothing to do with "unethical" play, and I never suggested games be played unethically.
When the baseball pitcher fakes a pitch and then throws out the runner at first. When the quarterback fakes a handoff. When a tennis player does a huge windup, grunts, and then hits a soft lob. When a basketball player fakes a pass. These are all examples of lying with body language.
Of course the lying that takes place in Survivor is more blatent, and more verbal. But games involve misdirection, as well as skill, and Survivor is no different, except in scale.
quote:
Even in poker, you never say "I have a flush." or "I don't have squat."
Sure you do. When you get a good card and you shout "darn!" When you get a bad card and you feign a smile. When you throw in a big bet and say "oh, I'm gonna eat well tonight!" but you really don't have squat.
Or, maybe some people play poker in silence, in which case the above doesn't apply.
Posted by: jhausmann
quote:
Originally posted by rseligman
Sure you do. When you get a good card and you shout "darn!" When you get a bad card and you feign a smile. When you throw in a big bet and say "oh, I'm gonna eat well tonight!" but you really don't have squat.
Or, maybe some people play poker in silence, in which case the above doesn't apply.
Even the pro's have "tells", it's just a matter of spotting them and then figuring out if they're intentional.
Posted by: TreborPugly
But in poker, nobody says to their friend, "I swear, I only have two pair. I'm just betting so you can stay in the game. Trust me. If you can beat that, call my bet!"
(Or if they do, they better be obviously lying tongue-in-cheek)
Posted by: jhausmann
quote:
Originally posted by TreborPugly
But in poker, nobody says to their friend, "I swear, I only have two pair. I'm just betting so you can stay in the game. Trust me. If you can beat that, call my bet!"
(Or if they do, they better be obviously lying tongue-in-cheek)
I've seen em do it in WSoP holdem...
Posted by: TreborPugly
Also, the examples rseligman give all involve expected "tricks" as part of the game. For something like Survivor, some people might consider straight lying to be part of it, and some people might expect a certain level of personal trust.
This isn't some board game where you are supposed to lie to your friends to move your little marker three spaces forward. These people are playing for $1 Million, and are living together for what, 39 days? Can you imagine living with absolutely no trust of the people around you for that long? Even if you philosophically think it is right to lie about anything in such a "game," you've got to realize that some people will not be able to cope with that. Or they will cope by trying to trust certain people. I know I would. And I would also cope by being trustworthy myself. I would let people know if I only had a tentative alliance with them vs a permanent one.
PUG
Posted by: ClutchBrake
Outwit. Outplay. Outlast.
'Nuff said as far as I'm concerned. As long as it doesn't involve physical harm, or the threat of physical harm, I say all is fair in Survivor.
Posted by: keirgrey
I have no problems with how BRob is playing the game. I just don't freaking like his cocky attitude
Posted by: rseligman
quote:
Originally posted by TreborPugly
Even if you philosophically think it is right to lie about anything in such a "game," you've got to realize that some people will not be able to cope with that. Or they will cope by trying to trust certain people. I know I would. And I would also cope by being trustworthy myself. I would let people know if I only had a tentative alliance with them vs a permanent one.
And you would lose.
Which is fine. Not everyone is cut out to play every game. I don't have football skills, so I avoid the game, although I can still appreciate those who have the skills. But I won't join a football game and then whine that the game requires skills I don't have. The game is what it is.
I think boxing is brutal, but if you say the players shouldn't hit each other so much, then you're creating a completely different game.
Posted by: rseligman
quote:
Originally posted by keirgrey
I have no problems with how BRob is playing the game. I just don't freaking like his cocky attitude
I agree with that completely. I have to admit he's playing the game like a master. But then he goes on and acts like a real jerk about it.
Posted by: ForsakeN
Boston Rob is playing the game really well but I don't want him to win because of his attitude, all he does is screw people over, I can't believe he's even still in the game, Lex should of voted off Amber when he had the chance so Rob would have no one. But now Rob has a big chance of winning the game, I just hope Amber loses, she's only there because of Rob.
Posted by: Crrink
quote:
Originally posted by TreborPugly
Also, the examples rseligman give all involve expected "tricks" as part of the game. For something like Survivor, some people might consider straight lying to be part of it, and some people might expect a certain level of personal trust.
----snip, and emphasis mine---
PUG
Yes, and there is a name for those people: Idiots.
Hey, if Survivor is supposed to be played with ethics and honesty, why do they vote in secret?
Posted by: DLL66
GO AMBER!!!!!!!! :)
Posted by: brianric
quote:
Originally posted by ForsakeN
Boston Rob is playing the game really well but I don't want him to win because of his attitude, all he does is screw people over, I can't believe he's even still in the game, Lex should of voted off Amber when he had the chance so Rob would have no one. But now Rob has a big chance of winning the game, I just hope Amber loses, she's only there because of Rob.
Like Lex is Mister Integrit. Stab, sorry about that Eyhan. Stabby stabby, sorry about that Jeri. It is a game, get over it. I'd like Amber to backstab Rob and win it. :D
Come to think of it, it is not a game, Survivor is more like work. :cool:
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