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Smallville 5/5 (Spoilers)
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Posted by: Mike20878

Any thoughts?

For a little bit there I thought Pete's family was down and out and had lost their home...:)

Jonathan's healing mojo was pretty cool.

As for the previews:

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That must be Kara and I saw feet lifting off the ground!

Posted by: Bryanmc

Re Preview: Wouldn't that be something! Can't wait to find out.

I thought this episode was pretty good but the Pete story line seemed real out of place. Maybe it will be important later or something.

Pa Kent's thing was cool, clearly Jor-El and he are connected in some way.

I loved when Clark got up from between his parents to take off and his red blanket was flapping behind him. Great stuff.

Posted by: Attack

I loved the end with Lex saying his new interpretation of the prophecy.

Posted by: JYoung

quote:
Originally posted by Attack
I loved the end with Lex saying his new interpretation of the prophecy.

So did I as well as the fact that the knife disintegrated when both Luthors touched it.
Now, did anyone else think that it was cool for Clark to wear a blue T-shirt when Jonathan ripped his shirt open? :D

And how cool was it when Clark slugged Jeremiah with the tree?

Posted by: Chandler Mike

quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc

I loved when Clark got up from between his parents to take off and his red blanket was flapping behind him. Great stuff.

That was awesome...it stayed on him for a second, flapping a little, then fell...just a great moment.

Can anyone explain what this prophecy exactly is, and what Lex's interpretation means? I got a little lost.

Mike

Posted by: balboa dave

I'll give this a shot. Naman falls from the skies in a rain of fire, has the strength of ten men, shoots fire from his eyes, and is destined to be the savior of the Kawatchie. Ziget is the bearer of darkness and is a friend who becomes Naman's greatest enemy. Of course, Clark is led to believe that this is probably Lionel.

Lex's spin is that if Naman could do all that, he would be a formidable enemy, could conquer the world and become a tyrant if not held in check. Therefore anybody willing to fight him would be pretty brave, and that the real hero of the story could be Ziget.

Two more scenes of note:

When Jonathan rips open Clark's shirt to get to the wound, he reveals the blue unif.., I mean t-shirt, underneath.

-and-

Jonathan to Clark: You can be the world's greatest hero, or it's most mild mannered citizen...

Posted by: Peter000

Yeah.. this episode was all about forshadowing... both the near and far futures.

I think that Jonathon's healing comes from...

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The Key. Somehow it's inside of him. We never did find out where it ended up, did we? Also, I think the key holdes the essence of Jor-El, which is now inside Jonathon with the key.

and regarding Pete and the Preview

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I think they're setting up Pete's leaving the show. I've heard rumors of some pretty major cast changes for next year. As to the blond at the end, they're setting her up to look kryptonian, but now we've seen 3 other instances of human's with Clark's powers (the rock collecting kid in the asylum, Jonathon, and now the Kawatchie kid). So it's not inconcievable that it's some sort of trick or scam, or at least misdirection by the producers.

I loved the episode; it wasn't very exciting but great moments most of which have been mentioned above. :) I'm wondering if the Kawatchie professor is going to become a recurring charcter? I don't remember seeing him before, but I did miss one episode this season.

It sure seems as if Lex has put the past, to a certain extent, his bad relationship with Lionel. It almost looked as if there was a little father worship going on tonight. Actually trying to help him?

How many episodes left this season? 2?

Posted by: jeepair

Jonathan gets Max Evans' healing powers. :)

Posted by: LooseWiring

The key isn't in Pa Kent's skin. It's sitting on Dr. Swann's desk. They showed Swann with it during the episode where it dissappeared.

Posted by: Big_Daddy

quote:
Originally posted by Peter000
I'm wondering if the Kawatchie professor is going to become a recurring charcter? I don't remember seeing him before, but I did miss one episode this season.

I don't remember him either - but then I missed some season 2 ep's that still haven't rerun through Smallville:Beginnings.

It was interesting they showed this character and the community college (Springfield A&M - IIRC). This could set up the rumored fifth season of the show, where the major players attend college after graduating high school.

I think there are 3 episodes left - and they look to be as good as the last few have been.

Posted by: lachacg

quote:
Originally posted by Big_Daddy
I don't remember him either - but then I missed some season 2 ep's that still haven't rerun through Smallville:Beginnings.

He's from the season two werewolf episode. It fully describes the Naman legend.

Posted by: jschuman

I never knew that this guy was Clark's greatest enemy!
:)

Posted by: glumlord

I saw all of season 2 and every single episode of season 3 so far and I have never seen that indian professor.

I remember an older indian man that was very upset about the caves and stalking the luthercorp site there. A wolf was killing people and it ended up being someone else. Could be the same guy , but that guy if I remember correct was full of hatred and didn't seem as cool and collected as the professor so I dont think it was the same guy.

Posted by: MitchO

It was the same character, the wolf was the professor's .. daughter? She's the one who told Clark about most of the legend stuff, and why he became so initially interested in the caves in the first place.

Posted by: MitchO

David Segui is the sworn enemy of payrolls expecting a full season out of a player. When ISN'T he hurt? =P

Posted by: rtype

Joseph Willowbrook first appeared in the episode Skinwalker (season 2, episode 10).
http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servle...18/epid-202570/

Posted by: Chandler Mike

quote:
Originally posted by balboa dave

Jonathan to Clark: You can be the world's greatest hero, or it's most mild mannered citizen...

Yes, another great line...this episode was full of imagery of things to come...he now knows Lex or Lionel will be his worst enemy, the cape, the Jonathan line...

The show seems to get better and better.

Mike

Posted by: jwjody

I thought this was a very cool episode.

Everything people have said, Clark hitting Jeremiah with the tree, the Luthors both touching the knife. The red blanket was GREAT!

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Was that Supergirl I saw in the previews!! This looks GOOD!

Posted by: LooseWiring

quote:
Originally posted by jwjody
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Was that Supergirl I saw in the previews!! This looks GOOD!

J

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It had better not be. Throwing Supergirl into the mix would be a HUGE mistake.

But, then again, I've always felt Supergirl was a big mistake.

Posted by: vertigo235

Why would Lionel fit the prophecy, was he ever Clarks friend?

Posted by: KLB

We are building up toward the season finale... I think that there is an equal chance that either Lionel or Lex are Ziget but that might be wishful thinking on my part. I dread when the producers chose to start Lex on his spiral into hell... on one hand because I am not sure they will handle it right and on the other some part of me still hopes that this Lex will avoid his destiny.

As to this preview for next week....

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Geez, come on. This had better NOT be a real kryptonian... and if it is she sure as hell better have brought the damn dog with her! if I have to deal with Supergirl I will NOT do it without Krypto!!!!!!

Posted by: lachacg

quote:
Originally posted by vertigo235
Why would Lionel fit the prophecy, was he ever Clarks friend?

Clark made this pretty clear when he met Lionel in the barn. Lionel's conversation went something like this (paraphrasing from memory):

Lionel: "Tell the professor that I can turn from a supporter to an enemy very quickly"
Clark (under his breath): "Who was once a friend is now the enemy"

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by vertigo235
Why would Lionel fit the prophecy, was he ever Clarks friend?

It's not been confirmed that Clark is Numon (or whatever) yet.

But, I think this will end up to be pretty straight forward.

Clark is Numon

Lex is the enemy.

Posted by: balboa dave

quote:
Originally posted by vertigo235
Why would Lionel fit the prophecy, was he ever Clarks friend?

Since the prophecy is an oral tradition, not written, it is easy to interpret it in many ways. So looking at it from Clark's and the tribe's point of view, as opposed to what we as viewers already know to be true:

Clark noticed that Lionel was a friend (at least on the surface) of the tribe who then becomes it's enemy, thus fits the description of Ziget. Naman is the protector of the tribe, so their enemy is his enemy.

Also, Lionel was the one who set up Clark's adoption, so could be considered a friend, but I think that is a stretch.

Posted by: sa-gamer

quote:
Originally posted by KLB
I think that there is an equal chance that either Lionel or Lex are Ziget

People....people.....Lex HAS to be the bad guy in the end. Don't forget the old lady who could predict the future actually DIED when should touched Lex. (Season 1 - right?). I REALLY wish I could see the vision at the end of that one again.

About Lionel - He's gonna die. Lex is going to blame Clark in the end for it. Probably because Clark doesn't save Lionel when he could have because Lex was there. (That way you get some guilt at the same time.)

Posted by: jwjody

quote:
Originally posted by sa-gamer
People....people.....Lex HAS to be the bad guy in the end. Don't forget the old lady who could predict the future actually DIED when should touched Lex. (Season 1 - right?). I REALLY wish I could see the vision at the end of that one again.

About Lionel - He's gonna die. Lex is going to blame Clark in the end for it. Probably because Clark doesn't save Lionel when he could have because Lex was there. (That way you get some guilt at the same time.)

That has too much of a Spider Man sound to it...

But Lex doesn't have to dislike Clark right? Lex is the arch-nemesis of Superman. Something can happen that will push Lex over the edge and Clark/Supes will have to fight him. But from Lex's point of view he doesn't have a beef with Clark. Although the show is starting to build one.

J

Posted by: gryphon00

Wasn't there something mentioned in the episode about the knife "shining a light" on Ziget? I remember someone asking how Naman would know who his enemy was and the light was mentioned. Then at the end of the episode, when both Lex and Lionel were looking at the knife, it glowed and shined on both of them, which Clark saw.

Or am I just imagining that happened? :)

Posted by: Graymalkin

No, you're not imagining it. Clark believes that Lionel is Ziget -- but WE all know it's really Lex.

Posted by: rtype

In the end, Lex does have to dislike Clark as well as Superman. It's part of the dynamic. Besides, Clark has to be a damned fine and very respected reporter. Lex has to be a weasely politician. Natural enemies. Clark will be the good guy that Lex will remember that he could have become, but ultimately Clark will be seen as weak. As for HOW Lex will turn away from Clark, I prefer the notion that Clark will know too much about Lex and that Lex will be ashamed rather than to think that Lex will "blame" Clark for something. If Lionel dies (in prison, perhaps?), Lex has to blame himself for it.

Lionel is a plot device. The conflict of the story is Clark and Lex. Theories to the contrary are silly.

Posted by: etsolow

Watching Smallville makes me realize how ridiculous it is in the movies when people don't recognize Clark in the Superman costume. If Clark showed up in a Superman costume in Smallville, would we all buy it when Lana, Lex, etc. didn't recognize him?

Posted by: jlb

quote:
So did I as well as the fact that the knife disintegrated when both Luthors touched it.

I rewound many times on my TiVO and it really looks like Lex was the only one who touched the knife before it started to disintegrate. Lionel never got his hand on it.

I also thought how much the whole scene with the knife falling into the "alter", Lex and Lionel watching it, then "not being able to remove the knife" was so much like the Excalibur/Arthurian story line....neat!

Posted by: allan

quote:
Originally posted by etsolow
Watching Smallville makes me realize how ridiculous it is in the movies when people don't recognize Clark in the Superman costume. If Clark showed up in a Superman costume in Smallville, would we all buy it when Lana, Lex, etc. didn't recognize him?

Other than Smallville, there was little "super" about Clark. He kept a low profile, though some people (Lois, Lana) DID notice how often Clark was absent when Superman showed up. Clark has attracted so much attention in Smallville that I can't see any way short of mass hypnosis/amnesia that he could pull off a secrect identity, but I could see it working with his non-Smallville incarnations.

Posted by: scooterboy

Putting the "looks like a completely different person with glasses" phenomenon aside, I think most people don't realize how Superman would seem to the general population of the comic book world.

He presents himself as a visitor from another planet who came to help. He never says (to my knowledge) "oh by the way I have a secret identity as one of you".

They would never suspect he has a secret identity at all, and therefore not be looking at him from that perspective.

This would only work for the general population though, not to the people who know Clark very well from both Smallville and Metropolis. Anyone who knows him well (like Chloe or Lana or later, Lois) and then meets Superman is going to instantly recognize him.

There hasn't ever been (to my knowledge) a decent explanation for this in the comics, TV shows, or movies. If someone comes up with an explanation that isn't silly and contrived (e.g. the glasses having "hypnotic abilities"), my hat is off to them.

If the Smallville producers stay to their "no flights no tights" pledge and the show ends before Clark becomes Supes, they'll never have to deal with it.

A pair of glasses and a mild-mannered slumping of the shoulders just doesn't do it.

Posted by: allan

quote:
Originally posted by scooterboy
This would only work for the general population though, not to the people who know Clark very well from both Smallville and Metropolis. Anyone who knows him well (like Chloe or Lana or later, Lois) and then meets Superman is going to instantly recognize him.

There hasn't ever been (to my knowledge) a decent explanation for this in the comics, TV shows, or movies. If someone comes up with an explanation that isn't silly and contrived (e.g. the glasses having "hypnotic abilities"), my hat is off to them.

If the Smallville producers stay to their "no flights no tights" pledge and the show ends before Clark becomes Supes, they'll never have to deal with it.

A pair of glasses and a mild-mannered slumping of the shoulders just doesn't do it.

Well, IMO, one of Superman's greatest blunders is his close relationship with known associates of Clark. Superman should NEVER have allowed himself to be connected with the Daily Planet. Assuming that he's NOT as close to Lois, Lana, or Jimmy Olsen, they would more likely take one look at him and think, "Gee, Superman and Clark sure look alike", but if Clark sounds different, acts different, uses different body language, and of course keep his glasses on :), they won't think "OMG, Clark must be Superman".

Anyway I like my idea better than "hypnotic glasses".

Posted by: MitchO

quote:
Originally posted by scooterboy
There hasn't ever been (to my knowledge) a decent explanation for this in the comics, TV shows, or movies. If someone comes up with an explanation that isn't silly and contrived (e.g. the glasses having "hypnotic abilities"), my hat is off to them.

The last comic book-y explanation i had heard was that Supes vibrates his head at some semblance of super speed to make his face blurry enough to not notice details, and screw up photos. Of course, given today's technological ability to freeze frame just about anything .. =P

Posted by: rtype

There have been MANY attempts in the comics to explain why people who know both Superman and Clark can't seem to tell they're the same person.

The best and most obvious to me simply involves his personality. Many people look similar. How many times have you seen someone on the street and thought, "she kindof looks like Jennifer Aniston?" This is so common that it makes for a really great gag in Dawn of the Dead. So, someone saying, "You know Clark, you kindof look like Superman in the face without your glasses," would be a whole lot different from, "I suspect that you two are the same person!" Clark's personality is such that no one would ever suspect him. They have completely different presentations, mannerisms and voices.

I've had the pleasure of knowing a great variety of people in my time, including some who had multiple personalities. In some of these cases, they were difficult to recognize even though they had the same body and clothing. I've also, of course, known people from other walks of life who for one reason or another needed to present as more than one person.

To put it simply, it's not just the glasses. The glasses are a simple way of conveying the idea in the comic but if this shouldn't be seen as the disguise. The persona of Clark Kent is the disguise.

Posted by: Bryanmc

The recent 'Superman - Birthright' series did a pretty fair job of making Clark and Superman into two different people. One of my favorite parts of that story was Clark realizing that to be a true hero he couldn't wear a mask. He didn't want people to mis-trust him or think he was hiding something, so Superman could not be masked.

Martha helps him then work on disguising the other half of the equation.

And anyone that's seen the Superman movie will recall the time in Lois' apartment when Clark is about to reveal to her his true identity. In those few seconds we see Christopher Reeve do an amazing job. He goes from Clark to Superman back to Clark pretty much completely by changing his face, posture, and voice. It's really fantastic.

In a story about an alien with super powers that was rocketed to Earth as a baby, I'm willing to accept that the glasses are a good enough disguise.

Posted by: Talon

People are close to Clark Kent and he doesn't have much of a presence. When they see Superman they are in a state of awe it just doesn't seem possible to be the same person. Confidence and personality are making it seem impossible for them to be the same guy.

Posted by: smak

Well coming at it from a movie and TV show perspective, more than the comic perspective, it seems that the only people who would really think of putting 2 and 2 together are the people in Smallville.

From the TV show and the movie, the Clark in Smallville is not the schlub he makes himself out to be as the Clark in Metropolis and the Daily Planet.

I think if Superman was the hero of Smallville, and people were seeing him every day, they would figure it out pretty easily.

Maybe the comic has addressed this, but as far as we know when Superman becomes big in Metropolis, maybe everybody in Smallville pretty much knows who it is, but it's Smallville, and they are not going to go to the tabloids or go on TV and screw up his identity.

-smak-

Posted by: devdogaz

I am interested to see if/how they are going to explain that evil Lex in the future does not realize that Clark is Supes. If Lex and Clark have such a history together, and Lex has always suspected something was different about Clark, and Lex has seen/heard many evidences of Clark's powers, how is it that when Superman shows up, Lex doesn't put two and two together?

Posted by: rtype

From the FAQ (regarding the current comic continuity) "Lex Luthor discovered Superman's secret when he had evidence of the Kryptonian rocketship having landed in the Kent's farmland, but later had this memory erased from his mind by Manchester Black (who also knew) before Black committed suicide."

So he could always find out... they'll fix it. :)

Posted by: SparkleMotion

IIRC, Luthor discovered the Superman/Clark connection via a sophisticated computer program early in the post-Crisis re-launch...but he refused to believe someone with the power to rule all mankind would masquerade as one of them.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

I think the reason why nobody recognizes Clark as Superman is obvious...it's because that's the way it is.

Just like with his powers. People (including the writers of the book) keep coming up with silly explanations, but the truth is, we can't explain it. That's just the way it is.

But it's fun coming up with newer and sillier explanations, isn't it? :D

Posted by: ClutchBrake

I hope to God they get rid of Pete. The actor who plays him is AWFUL. I've seen far better acting in high school productions.

Posted by: IndyJones1023

I really liked Lex's last line about Segeith (sp?) being the true hero. It was a great glimpse into how a (future) evil person doesn't see themselves as the bad guy. Good stuff! Keep it up!

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
I think the reason why nobody recognizes Clark as Superman is obvious...it's because that's the way it is.

Just like with his powers. People (including the writers of the book) keep coming up with silly explanations, but the truth is, we can't explain it. That's just the way it is.

But it's fun coming up with newer and sillier explanations, isn't it? :D

Perfect.

Just perfect.

:up:

Posted by: scooterboy

Nope - I still don't buy any of the glasses, posture, or voice explanations. Or the ridiculous head vibration ("I really like Clark but he's so...blurry").

Anyone from Smallville or his close friends in Metropolis would recognize him.

So I guess I'll just suspend my disbelief and take MG's explanation that it just...is.

Posted by: IndyJones1023

Actually, there are no explanations to take yet. You can talk comics and re-boots all you want. But regarding this show, we don't know what they'll come up with yet.

Posted by: sschwart

Does the legend ever say what would have happened if Supes had gotten his hands on the knife?

Posted by: jeff125va

quote:
Originally posted by IndyJones1023
I really liked Lex's last line about Segeith (sp?) being the true hero. It was a great glimpse into how a (future) evil person doesn't see themselves as the bad guy. Good stuff! Keep it up!

Yeah, that was great, and Lex's whole theory played right into Clark's fears about his Jor-El's intentions for Clark's destiny. While Clark may not entirely trust Lex, I don't think he believes that Lex is Segieth (sp), at least as he was interpreting Segieth at first. If he's considering the possibility that Lex is Segieth, he's probably more likely to think Lex's interpretation is a strong possibility.

Btw, did anyone else have Friends deja-vu when Lana said she had to decide whether to move to Paris or stay with her friends to hang out at a coffee shop?

Posted by: e30mpwrd

Sorry, I'm late to the fray on this one--just got the time to watch it. Fantastic episode IMO. Loved both the red cape and Lex's line about the legend being misinterpreted. The scene at the office with the painted blinds was great too--Lex's mistrust of Clark is really coming to the surface.

quote:
Originally posted by sschwart
Does the legend ever say what would have happened if Supes had gotten his hands on the knife?

It says that he would use the knife to kill Segeeth and save the tribe (or the world?).

One thing I'm surprised no one mentioned--so maybe it was nothing. At the very end of the 24th minute of the episode (according to my TiVo anyway), they show the roof line of the Talon and the sky. A car drives by making a rather superman-in-flight-like sound. And a small thin black object flies from the roof line through the sky out of the top of the picture. I rewound and slow-mo'd it several times to be sure I wasn't crazy. I'm going to check my girlfriend's Direct TV version of it tonight to be sure it was part of their broadcast (I got it from Comcast analog cable). Anyone else see it? Seemed to me like the producers having a little fun? Or was it just some sort of bizarre editing thing? Or am I just crazy?

Posted by: David Platt

quote:
Originally posted by e30mpwrd
One thing I'm surprised no one mentioned--so maybe it was nothing. At the very end of the 24th minute of the episode (according to my TiVo anyway), they show the roof line of the Talon and the sky. A car drives by making a rather superman-in-flight-like sound. And a small thin black object flies from the roof line through the sky out of the top of the picture. I rewound and slow-mo'd it several times to be sure I wasn't crazy. I'm going to check my girlfriend's Direct TV version of it tonight to be sure it was part of their broadcast (I got it from Comcast analog cable). Anyone else see it? Seemed to me like the producers having a little fun? Or was it just some sort of bizarre editing thing? Or am I just crazy?

Good catch! I just checked my DirecTiVo-recorded episode, and it's definitely there. I'd say it's probably just a bird and the director didn't bother to get an extra exterior shot without it.

Posted by: rtype

I rewound and found an extra hanging himself in the background???