TiVo Community Forums Archives - Who Should Win The Extra Survivor Million?

TiVoCommunity.com
(c)opyright 1995-2005 All rights reserved
indexcheckTC
This area is a static history of posts in the TiVo Community Forum Archive.
This archive history was made for the simple indexing of search sites like Google.

Pages:1

Who Should Win The Extra Survivor Million?
(Click here to view the original thread with full colors/images)

Posted by: appleye1

Who do you want to win? Only six choices available, so I put in 5 options based on the top responses to a similar thread over at TVClubhouse. If your choice isn't listed answer "Other" and follow up with a post if you like.

Note, the question is who you prefer to win the extra million, not who you predict will win it. Judging from the audience reaction in the reunion show, I predict Rupert will win it. Post your prediction if you like.

Posted by: Chandler Mike

Wouldn't this be considered a spoiler?

Mike

Posted by: speedy4022

I voted for Rupert I mean the guy did 2 survivor shows in a row who is more deserving than that? Alright who voted B rob why don't we just give him and amber everything:mad: I can not stand either one.:down: :down: :down:

Posted by: justapixel

This is a tough one for me. I picked Rupert, and I can't imagine he won't win. But, I'd also like to give it to Rudy. At his age, the game was 10 times harder for him and he did well, and stuck to his principals.

And, I want to give it to Colby, because he's major hot. :up: And, he also strikes me as being a very ethical person.

If Amber and Boston Rob weren't announcing their marriage, I might have chosen Rob, because I think he deserved to win this season. But, he's getting it anyway, so what's the point.

Posted by: Ruth

Yes, Mike, in fact this is the type of thread title spoiler that I've been ranting about lately.

(It doesn't seem worth the energy I'm putting ito it, does it? ;) )

Posted by: bobjohnson

quote:
Originally posted by speedy4022
I voted for Rupert I mean the guy did 2 survivor shows in a row who is more deserving than that? Alright who voted B rob why don't we just give him and amber everything:mad: I can not stand either one.:down: :down: :down:

Indeed. As soon as Jeff mentioned a major twist that wasn't the Rob/Amber deal, I knew what it was, and this is DEFINITELY a good move by the producers. I'm not a fan of Rob or Amber, and I think out of all of them, Rupert deserves the money, and finally the audience gets a say instead of having to scream at the tv in frustration.

Posted by: appleye1

quote:
Originally posted by Chandler Mike
Wouldn't this be considered a spoiler?

Mike

Yeah, sorry. Right after I posted it I thought about it being a spoiler of sorts, but this info is getting plastered all over everywhere. I've seen it on all the major new sites, on my local news, and on a couple of cable news networks. I can't see how you can avoid learning about it unless you crawl under a rock.

But for those of you who do crawl under a rock (with your Tivo remote of course!), I am indeed sorry!

(And in my opinion, CBS made a much bigger deal out of this so-called "twist" than it deserved.)

Posted by: warrenevans

I voted for Rupert. Twice at CBS.com IT lets you vote more then once. IF it counts the votes more then once I don't know

Posted by: appleye1

As warrenevans indicated, don't just vote here - go to CBS.com and vote for real there, as many times as you like (or do the cell phone text messaging thingy and waste money. :rolleyes: )

Be sure to click on the "Watch Video of each All-Star make a case for why he or she deserve to win the million dollars." link on that page to watch the plea videos. Some of them are really, really funny!

(I think there must have been a little drinking going on in between the reunion show and the plea videos! :D )

Posted by: zyzzx

I'm not sure I like this whole "extra million" giveaway. They all played the game and Amber won. I think she's the only one who deserves a million dollars from the show.

In any case, I'm voting for Boston Rob.

Posted by: laria

I voted for Boston Rob but I think Rupert will win it. I hope he doesn't though, I don't like Rupert.

Posted by: cpalma

Why does everyone think Rupert deserves the Million?? Yes, he's a nice guy. Yes, he played 2 games back-to-back. Sure he worked hard throughout the game, but he kinda just stayed under the radar the whole time. He never one 1 immunity challenge (he did win a couple of reward challenges). He also may have lost tribe challenges. He seems like a great guy and all but I don't think he deserves the money.

I think Rob deserves it. He manipulated the game throughout. He definitely Outplayed, Outlasted, and Outwitted everyone else. That's who my vote goes to.

Posted by: Meinrad

Rupert will most definitely win. I wish he wouldn't, if for no other reason than he single handedly destroyed his original tribe and built the worst shelter in the history of Survivor.

I'm voting for Shii Ann. I would have voted for Rob, but he's got Amber and her million already.

Posted by: David Platt

quote:
Originally posted by laria
I voted for Boston Rob but I think Rupert will win it. I hope he doesn't though, I don't like Rupert.

Thank you!! I thought I was the only one that hated Rupert. I can't stand the thought of him getting the million. He's a horrible player.

Posted by: whoknows55

Got to be Rudy. I've always liked him and he's kept to his moral code.

Posted by: LooseWiring

It's easy to stick to your moral code when you are voted out before the first week is over.

Posted by: Mikkel_Knight

who should win and who will win are probably 2 different people...

Rob should win because he played a better game than anyone else.

Rupert will most likely win because he is by far the fan favorite...

Posted by: mwmuntz

You can make a case that Rupert deserved the $million on Pearl Islands, but he played a HORRIBLE game on All-Star and deserves nothing. Rob gets my vote.

Posted by: Skittles

Rupert got my vote, both here and at cbs.com.

Posted by: WinBear

I'm probably going to vote for Rob Cesternino. He was the first villain-character that didn't make me cringe and want to vote him off immediately.

Posted by: JFriday

Rupert. Like previously said. Playing 2 games in a row was tough.

Posted by: ClutchBrake

Boston Rob.

Posted by: TivoDaddy

quote:
Originally posted by justapixel
And, I want to give it to Colby, because he's major hot. :up: And, he also strikes me as being a very ethical person.

Sorry Ann, but he had his shot already and blew it by taking Tina and not Keith with him to the final two. Everybody disliked Keith, and Colby didn't have many enemies. Even if it was a close vote, he still would have won the million. :)

Anyway, my vote if for Rupert.

Posted by: Fofer

quote:
Originally posted by TivoDaddy
Sorry Ann, but he had his shot already and blew it by taking Tina and not Keith with him to the final two. Everybody disliked Keith, and Colby didn't have many enemies. Even if it was a close vote, he still would have won the million. :)

I believe this is why Ann feels Colby is an ethical person. You don't think Colby realized he had a better shot at the $1 million by going up against Keith? But he had an alliance with Tina and he honored it up until the end. (He didn't like Keith either and didn't want to give him the satisfaction of being in the final two.)

True, this cost him the prize, but it would explain why he's admired...

Posted by: Uther

quote:
Originally posted by justapixel
At his age, the game was 10 times harder for him and he did well, and stuck to his principals.

I'm not going to vote for Rudy now... It's against my principles to stick to principals.

Posted by: Fofer

I posted this in the other thread but figured I'd pipe in here:

As far as the extra million goes, the question on the site is ambiguous.

On the splash page it asks: "Who deserves to win the extra million dollars?" My answer to that is Rupert.

But on the voting page itself, it asks, "Who deserved to win the million dollars on Survivor: All Stars" -- and my answer to that is BRob.

That said, I voted for Rupert anyway, because this will all come down to a popularity contest anyway, and my niggling over the wording of the poll doesn't make a whit of difference. :D

Posted by: ced6

Although it's posed as a question: Who deserves to win the extra million? It should really just say: Who do you want to see a million dollars richer? Because that's really, I think, how the voting will go. (Well, it's at least how I voted.)

I voted for Rupert because I feel he has the best heart, and though I understand that's not the way to win the game, I do, at least occasionally, like to see good prevail over evil (okay, not really evil, but you get my point). However, I do wish that I could have him and Rudy share the million.

Posted by: DLiquid

The Jenna L clip on the cbs.com site is pretty funny. Rob C, too.

Posted by: Oldandslow

Jenna should get the money. She came in third for whatever reason. She also acted with a lot of class. She knew she had no chance with BRob and Amber but tried anyway. I'm much more happy with her getting married than Rob and Amber. I was thinking as Amber and Rob professed their love to each other on the TV show, "I'll give it six months living with Rob in the real world. Then it's bye, bye!". Rob is soooo phony! If we hadn't seen his little speeches to the camera when the others weren't around, we 'd almost believe he was sorry for his actions. Almost.

Posted by: ForsakeN

I voted Rupert, he's the fan favorite and peer pressure got to me =( haha j/k

I voted Rupert because he was my all time favorite in Allstars, he was the most honest and I just overall liked him.

Posted by: bobsbizzy

So far Rupert is the runaway leader in this poll with 70+%.

I hope this is reflected in the real poll. :up:

Go Rupert, Go Rupert. :D

Posted by: laria

I don't get why everyone is always all "oh but I played the game with ethics and morals and honesty and integrity." Who cares! It's a game! I would lie, cheat, and steal to win a million bucks too. :) You go Boston Rob and Rob C...best players ever! :)

Posted by: DLiquid

quote:
Originally posted by laria
I don't get why everyone is always all "oh but I played the game with ethics and morals and honesty and integrity." Who cares! It's a game!

Well, that's their strategy, so it makes sense for them to be talking about it in the same way a backstabbing player like BRob flaunted his ruthlessness.

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Ironically, I think it was BRob's subdued demeanor in the final TC that partially cost him the game. Rather than tell the jury that he was willing to lie and break all promises to win the game, he kind of backed down and acted like he was ashamed of himself. Here he had Amber sitting over there saying the main reason she got there was LUCK, just setting it up perfectly for BRob to sway some jury votes, but he failed to embrace his strategy. Seeing how pissed Tom, Lex, and Alicia were, they probably wouldn't have been be swayed, but Shii Ann might have been.

Posted by: MikeekiM

Just read an article that says that there are only three people that stand a chance of getting the second million:

BRob
Rupert
Rudy

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4945292

Posted by: Fofer

That article states that Rob won $100,000 for coming in 2nd place. In actuality, he won $250,000 for 2nd place (Burnett upped the stakes for this go-around, to entice the players to come back to the All-Star edition. The first person voted out got $25,000 instead of the original $2,500.)

So, between Rob and Amber they got 2 cars, $1.25 million, about 22 minutes of fame, and a pretty nice story to tell their kids one day. :cool:

Let's give some $$ to Rupert now. He deserves it :)

Posted by: ufo4sale

Can someone post the link to the video's?

Posted by: Billy66

Go to cbs.com and click the "watch now" link. A seperate window opens with no address so I can't post that.

Posted by: cmontyburns

quote:
Originally posted by mwmuntz
You can make a case that Rupert deserved the $million on Pearl Islands, but he played a HORRIBLE game on All-Star and deserves nothing. Rob gets my vote.

Hear, hear. Except maybe for the Rob part. Definitely so if he weren't marrying Amber. It's not because he gets to share hers, it's that she doesn't deserve the prize she got as much as Rob did, much less part of another.

Posted by: Crrink

quote:
Originally posted by Fofer
That article states that Rob won $100,000 for coming in 2nd place. In actuality, he won $250,000 for 2nd place (Burnett upped the stakes for this go-around, to entice the players to come back to the All-Star edition. The first person voted out got $25,000 instead of the original $2,500.)

So, between Rob and Amber they got 2 cars, $1.25 million, about 22 minutes of fame, and a pretty nice story to tell their kids one day. :cool:

Let's give some $$ to Rupert now. He deserves it :)

After Uncle Sam is done having his way with them, they'll be lucky to have $700k all in.
Yeah, still a nice chunk o' change, but it ain't no 1.2 million.

Edit:
Oh yeah, I think Boston Rob deserves the money because he played better than anyone else.
I'd like to see Rudy win it because he's the coolest guy IMO.
Those of you talking about what a man of charachter Rupert is should probably re-watch Pearl Islands after he got a few votes cast against him - when the ugly Rupert really came out. Then go listen to his parting speech. If you still think he deserves the Million, then you must have some kind of beard fetish or something.
Er....not that there's anything wrong with that....
:D

Posted by: ufo4sale

For some reason it won't let me watch the videos.

Posted by: Billy66

You have to select which type of media player you have and then click the submit button on that side of the pane for your viewer selection. Then click the video you want and hit the start button on that side to get it going.

It kinda took me a second to figure out you needed to submit your viewer choice

Posted by: DLiquid

quote:
Originally posted by Crrink
Oh yeah, I think Boston Rob deserves the money because he played better than anyone else.
I'd like to see Rudy win it because he's the coolest guy IMO.
Those of you talking about what a man of charachter Rupert is should probably re-watch Pearl Islands after he got a few votes cast against him - when the ugly Rupert really came out. Then go listen to his parting speech. If you still think he deserves the Million, then you must have some kind of beard fetish or something.
Er....not that there's anything wrong with that....
:D

I think Rupert is the coolest guy. He doesn't have to be perfect. I liked it when he started going psycho and talking to the snake in Pearl Islands. :cool:

Posted by: ClutchBrake

After listening to all the speeches if I could give one person the money it would be Colby.

Was Jenna Lewis drunk of her ass or what?

Posted by: smak

The name of the game is Survivor. Boston Rob wasn't the survivor. Like people said in all the Survivor threads for the last 7-8 weeks. He played a classic game if his object was to get 2nd place.

To me, Amber played the game to be 1st, since hitching yourself to the main badguy, and winding up in the final 2 gets you 1st.

Everybody else played a game for 3rd or 4th. Big Tom sure did. Jenna sure did. It's not great strategy to get yourself in the final 4, where the only way of advance to the final 2 is to win consecutive challenges.

Rob could have played almost the same game, but be less of the Robfather and may have had a chance at 1st.

He blew it almost as badly as Colby did, but ends up making out (literally and figuratively)

-smak-

Posted by: jeepair

I voted for Rupert, though I'd like to throw a vote Colby's way. Hahah, watching Rob C's video cracks me up. "I'll give half of the money to Rupert and take Big Tom to dinner" rofl.

With all the money this show makes they could probably give 1 million to all players and still come out ahead.

How much does/did each episode of Friends cost? and that was only a 1/2 hr show. 1 million an episode for each actor, 6 million a show.

Posted by: zyzzx

I should vote for Amber just to protest CBS giving away another million. Amber is the winner and no one else deserves as much as she's won.

Posted by: natamatt

My only problem with them giving away another million is that now someone who did not win the game will end up with more money than Amber, the winner of the game, given that everyone already got $25,000 or more in prize money.

Posted by: Fofer

Since Rob got $250k, he wins biggest if he gets *another* million!
(seeing as he also got a car, the girl, and gets to share her winnings...)

I'm not against this 2nd million - I mean, think of this as just another, new game... with a much larger jury. It doesn't take anything away from Amber. It just creates a new title of "America's choice."

Posted by: KRS

I don't see how a poll thread is really a spoiler. Maybe posting info from a MSNBC article is a spoiler, but a poll of the TiVO community????

I vote for Boston Rob once again (and 3 times on CBS.com). Rupert is getting sympathy votes for some reason, but as has been stated, if you look at his game, he doesn't deserve it.

-he screwed up the shelter (we're stuck in a hole? Let's dig our way out))
-he didn't think to try to take down the power couple until it was far too late
-he didn't win immunities, and the reward challenge was handed to him on a platter (he didn't even think about the negative aspects of winning that one like Amber and Rob did)
-his logic was faulty (especially when dealing with Jenna's chances with the rock)
-even when it came to fishing, Rupert didn't use it to his advantage properly. His complaining about the others not offering to clean the fish came too late in the game. Hatch, when he was the group fisherman, definately worked it a lot more ("Maybe I won't catch _any_ fish today, then they will appreciate it more when I do" type of attitude).

Outwit? Rupert did not, Rob did.
Outplay? Rupert did not, Rob did.
Outlast? Rupert outlasted a lot of people, but not as many as Rob.

Posted by: Crrink

It's a spoiler because until the last 2 minutes of the reunion show, the extra million hadn't been announced.

Posted by: Billy66

If you didn't know there was a second million available yet and you came to this forum to post in say the Smallville thread, you would see information that would in fact spoil the surprise from watching the Reunion show. Clearly a spoiler.

Posted by: Meinrad

I wish KRS would have been with me in Ruperts chat yesterday. All the Rupert lovers were killing me for my anti-Rupert comments. Even though nothing I said had to do with not likeing Rupert, just that he wasn't a very good playert his time around. It seems everyone is snowed by the 1st impression and don't seem to look any further into his personality or his game.

Posted by: YCantAngieRead

Look. The people voting for Rupert aren't stupid, as many people seem to think-I'm getting really sick of that implication. He plays an honest game. It's admirable in this day and age.

Who "played the game better" is a matter of opinion. For me, an honest game is my first criteria. Others might have different criteria-and that's fine-that's why Survivor is popular with a wide range of people, but I voted based on that, not because I'm stupid or being snowed by a first impression.

Rupert is a flawed human being-as we all are. People like him because he has a temper, because he won't stab you in the back, because he wears his heart on his sleeve. And I guess we should all be so stupid as to be so honest.

Posted by: Meinrad

Let's see, Rupert talks about an agreement he had with Rob yet goes to Big Tom trying to vote Rob out. Yep, he's completely honest.

And I never called anyone stupid. I just think some things are forgotten. If you want to love him for how he plays, fine. Do so. But he's not completely honest in the game.

A lot of us who have questioned Rupert have given numerous examples of why we think that way. From most of the Rupert supporters we just hear he's great, honest, etc. but no real examples.

It's all about debate. It's fun. Like the show is fun. I really don't care who wins the extra million or who likes who, I just like to debate it. Sorry if I've gone too far.

Posted by: IJustLikeTivo

quote:
Originally posted by Fofer
I believe this is why Ann feels Colby is an ethical person. You don't think Colby realized he had a better shot at the $1 million by going up against Keith? But he had an alliance with Tina and he honored it up until the end. (He didn't like Keith either and didn't want to give him the satisfaction of being in the final two.)

True, this cost him the prize, but it would explain why he's admired...

It is not unethical to take the guy people hated to the final too. It is stupid not to.

Ethically, Keith did nothing wrong except hide under the radar as so many have done. He did not cheat, lie or do anthing else that deserved Colby's hatred. Frankly, Colby was not in a position to make an ethical stand given how he played Jerri.

No, Colby was not ethical, he was just plain stupid.

Posted by: IJustLikeTivo

quote:
Originally posted by zyzzx
I should vote for Amber just to protest CBS giving away another million. Amber is the winner and no one else deserves as much as she's won.

And no one will get it. She has the million AND a car! ;-)

Posted by: YCantAngieRead

quote:
It's all about debate. It's fun. Like the show is fun. I really don't care who wins the extra million or who likes who, I just like to debate it. Sorry if I've gone too far.

You probably haven't. I've been very sensitive lately. What I should have said was that, in my opinion and in the opinion of other people, Rupert was the most honest out of all the contestants from both seasons. I don't think anyone is honest 100% of the time, but it really seems that he tries to be.

I'll give you an example-I don't remember which episode, but I got the feeling that Rupert really wanted out of his alliance with Jenna at one point. And yet he stuck with it. Not only that, but Rob and Amber didn't even TRY to get him to flip and vote against Jenna in the final four-they knew it wouldn't work. AND, if you take a look on Ebay, and look at the voting sheets from the reward challenge where they had to give answers as to whom in the tribe were certain things-every single person on the island that participated in that challenge also thought Rupert was the most honest-so that indicates to me it wasn't just editing.

When everyone else voted out Rudy, Rupert refused to write his name down. He could have easily gone along with the crowd, but he went with the unpopular choice because he gave his word.

Personally, I like him because he reminds me a lot of myself-which I'll admit is a reality ploy I fell for hook, line and sinker. He has a low self-esteem which gets him into trouble sometimes because he feels like he has to pose as someone more intelligent than he is in order to gain acceptance.

And finally, I think he deserves the money (and that's what the voting ballot says-who do you want to see get the million) because he is in a noble, thankless profession. And a difficult one at that. Now that's not to say that I don't, in some way or another, feel like most people are in noble professions-they are. But dealing with troubled teens is something that I wish I had the stones to do myself, but I don't.

Posted by: FourFourSeven

My pick - and I may be the only one who will make this pick - is the king of the game - Richard Hatch.

Rich understands it's a game.

Rich played to win the GAME each time.

Rich didn't take anything personally that anyone else did or said (very graceful when voted out).

Rich's comments to the camera were hilarious and dead-on.

Without Rich's development of strategy in season 1, the game wouldn't be what it is now.

He was an idiot with Sue, I'll grant that, but it sounds like that's now water under the bridge. He's my pick for the million.

Am I the only one who thinks he should get the extra million?

Posted by: KRS

quote:
Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
Rupert was the most honest out of all the contestants from both seasons. >snip< Not only that, but Rob and Amber didn't even TRY to get him to flip and vote against Jenna in the final four-they knew it wouldn't work.

Gaaaah...this game is not about honesty. Rupert did well at the 'Surviving' part the first time he was on, but this round, the only thing he had going for him was fishing.

Rob and Amber didn't approach Rupert regarding Jenna because they would have rather faced Jenna in the finals - she was less likely to win anything and was also not as well liked. Had they approached Rupert, do you really think he would have said no to a guaranteed 3rd place finish? I seriously doubt it (especially if Rob reminded him of Jenna screeching at him over the fish!).

Also, don't forget the first thing Rupert did last season - STEAL the shoes of the other tribe. I certainly don't fault him for it (it was a pirate theme after all), but it isn't exactly in line with being the most honest contestant. Not to mention the Rob/Big Tom incident that Meinrad mentioned above. The only players who can remain "honest" are those like Shi-Ann who don't really have an alliance with anyone (and that rarely gets you very far).

As for Rupert's profession outside the game, that has about as much bearing as asking the final two what they plan on doing with the money (IMHO). It really shouldn't matter.

That said, I don't have an issue with Rupert winning the $$ - he would probably be my third choice after Boston Rob and Rob C (the "Mike D" of Survivor!). I just have a greater respect for the players who know it is a game and play accordingly. That's why I thought Fairplay's grandmother stunt was brilliant....sick and twisted....but brilliant.

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by FourFourSeven
My pick - and I may be the only one who will make this pick - is the king of the game - Richard Hatch.

Rich understands it's a game.

Rich played to win the GAME each time.

Rich didn't take anything personally that anyone else did or said (very graceful when voted out).

Rich's comments to the camera were hilarious and dead-on.

Without Rich's development of strategy in season 1, the game wouldn't be what it is now.

He was an idiot with Sue, I'll grant that, but it sounds like that's now water under the bridge. He's my pick for the million.

Am I the only one who thinks he should get the extra million?

No, but according to a poll on MSNBC, for everyone of you, there's 75 voting for Rupert...

Posted by: FLbadgirl

quote:
Originally posted by laria
I voted for Boston Rob but I think Rupert will win it. I hope he doesn't though, I don't like Rupert.

Ditto! I didn't like Rupert from day one. I was really tore if Rob should get the money because of the marriage situation but who says that'll work/last/survive (no pun intended ;) )

Rob deserves the money, IMPO.

Posted by: nyny523

Who wins the money should have nothing to do with if they are well liked, performed well in previous seasons, invented the blueprint for the game, are in a relationship with someone who won a million dollars, already won a million dollars, has a meaningful occupation, has kids to feed and educate, is funny, entertaining, young, old, loyal, honest, dishonest, made friends, kept friends, lost friends - blah, blah, blah.

The person who deserves the money is the person who played this game - Survivor All-Stars - the best. And like him or not, that person is BRob. He outwitted, outlasted and outplayed everyone. I disliked him immensely early in the season, but his gamesmanship won me over. You just couldn't deny the power he had to dictate what was going on every week. Whether it was winning challenges, wheeling and dealing, or manipulating every situation to his favor, he controlled and commanded in every situation. Like him or not, he earned the money.

Posted by: Meinrad

Did anyone go to the CBS chats with the final four? Over the past two days I've done all of them. They were slow and kind of boring, but after hearing the answers of all four, I'd say Boston Rob's chat was the best. I'm glad he's just happy with the way he played and is putting it on the other people to get over their pettiness.

Posted by: smak

The person who played the game the best is the person who wins, plain and simple.

Boston Rob did not play the game the best, because he screwed over one too many people, and that cost him the win.

A baseball team winning 5-0 in the bottom of the ninth giving up 6 runs, can not claim they were the best team for 8 1/2 innings, because it's a 9 inning game.

Rob ran a second place strategy the whole way, and he was very succesful in that.

Let me ask a question. If Rob & Amber didn't have this relationship, would everybody be so awed by Rob's playing. I don't think so. People would point out that he blew it by pissing off the majority of the jury.

It just so happens that an Amber win is pretty much a Rob win, so people don't scrutinize his strategy that much...

The point of the game is to win. Rupert being thought of as a great guy by the other survivors is a bad strategy too.

The won who was the most unfortunate was Rob C, because these Survivor's could watch his camera chats from his last time, and know he was one of the shrewdest players ever. Nothing that he did on this Survivor got him thrown out, it's what happened last time.

-smak-

Posted by: scottjf8

Big Tom was on the local morning show here this morning and I just caught the end of it, but he was sounding like a total idiot groveling for the million.

He said it takes him an hour and a half to watch 60 Minutes :)

He also said he teaches young children how to read (at which time one of the hosts laughed and mumbled "oh dear god")

He said Rupert is way ahead in the voting, from what they've heard...

Posted by: Doh

I don't think Rob necessarily had a second place strategy. I think if the jury had been willing to step and think about it (as previous members of the jury often did), they would have realized that Rob played the game the best and voted for him, but somehow it got much more personal this year and people lost perspective. I do think he seriously misjudged Tom-- he just did not trust him when I think he could have -- and that may have cost him a vote, but he still came awfully close (I'm not really sure why Shii-Ann picked Amber, except maybe to vindicate her prediction).

Posted by: Meinrad

quote:
Originally posted by smak
The person who played the game the best is the person who wins, plain and simple.

Here here! I totally agree and have argued the point forever. There is a difference between liking how a person played and wanting them to win, and who is the best player.

Posted by: nyny523

So based on Meinrad and Smak's theory, we should all be voting for Amber to win the second million as well - correct?

Posted by: DLiquid

quote:
America, you decide: Who do you want to win the million dollars?

This million dollars has nothing to do with who played the game well. Who played the game best is decided by the jury vote. The CBS poll is a way for the fans to give a million dollars to their favorite contestant. BRob doesn't stand a chance. :D :p :D

Posted by: FourFourSeven

quote:
Originally posted by nyny523
So based on Meinrad and Smak's theory, we should all be voting for Amber to win the second million as well - correct?

I would seriously consider it. I think the following people have legitimate reasons to vote for them (in my order of preference

1) Richard - as I discussed above

2) Amber - as she WAS the best

3) BRob - as he played the second best, yet didn't get a million yet.

4) Shi-Ann - for similar reasons as Richard above. She got that it was a game, and played as well as she could given the situation.

5) Jenna - because 1st place won $1MM, a car, and a husband. 2nd place won $250K, a car, and a wife. 3rd place got squat. (yeah, I know, she got some $$$)

6) Rupert - because he's a nice guy

Posted by: YCantAngieRead

The key here is the criteria for voting for who you think you want to win the money. There's nothing on the website that says "vote for who played the game the best", or even "vote for who you like the best"-they've left that up to the viewing public. So no one can be faulted for voting for ANY reason. I don't fault you guys for voting for who you think "played" the best game, and I'd hope you wouldn't fault me for voting for the player who has the most of my respect.

But from this message board and others, it seems like the anti-Rupert contingent feels that those of us who did vote for him did so for all the wrong reasons. When in reality, there are no right or wrong reasons.

quote:
Gaaaah...this game is not about honesty. Rupert did well at the 'Surviving' part the first time he was on, but this round, the only thing he had going for him was fishing.

This game has a lot of unspoken rules, too, you know, and it DOES say a lot about the guy when he can get that far into the game with his nature. Who says that's not about honesty? If you want to look at it this way, loyalty and honesty are just one more strategy for playing.

I'm sick to death of people making me feel like an idiot for voting for Rupert. Everyone who votes for someone in this thing is voting for their own reasons, and it's really quite stupid to say "your reasons are wrong". Even in the real tribal council, the people involved make decisions based on a wide variety of criteria-and not a few are based on loyalty.

Posted by: smak

I like Rupert for a lot of reasons: First, he works with troubled teens which is a very worthy thing to do.

Second, he doesn't seem interested in taking advantage of his new fame by appearing in a bunch of lame commercials. Maybe he hasn't had the chance, i guess we'll see.

Third, he has a huge heart, because it doesn't seem like he's in the shape of most of his opponents, yet he was near the top in most challenges, mostly in Pearl Islands.

Fourth, and of very big importance, he didn't wine about Jenna voting him out. Sure he tried to persuade her, but he realized voting him out was best for her...

On the Boston Rob subject. This season it appeared to me, that in a lot of councils, people fell in line, and voted the same person out. It was better for them, if they didn't vote the wrong way, against somebody that wasn't being voted out.

Thus being said, why did Boston Rob have to walk up to Lex, and tell him we are going to vote you out. This is bad strategy. It puts Lex's entire insane hatred towards Rob, where there was a chance Rob could have put some of the brunt of the vote towards others.

Lex was voted out 7-2. Amber & Rob have 2 votes. Rob could have convinced Lex that he wanted to vote out somebody else, but it still wouldn't have worked, so he decided to vote with everybody else to keep in line.

Sure it may not have worked, but walking up to Lex and telling him We're voting you out was terrible strategy.

-smak-

Posted by: DLiquid

quote:
Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
I'm sick to death of people making me feel like an idiot for voting for Rupert.

It's kind of like the phenomenon of when a good movie or talented music group all of a sudden gets HUGELY popular, and some people that originally supported it feel it's now too commercial. When anything gets very popular, there will be a contingent of people that strongly oppose it, just for the sake of opposing something popular, or because they are just so damn sick of hearing about how great it is.

I think some of the Rupert backlash can be explained by this. It was cool to root for Rupert when he was an unknown underdog, but now that he's the most popular Survivor ever and CBS is about to give him a million dollars for no apparent reason, it's no longer quite as cool. Of course, a lot of people probably never liked the guy to begin with. :D

Posted by: ADent

I like Rupert. More for Marqueasas than here, but he did come in forth and player pretty straight up.

Rudy because he should have won the first one, didn't complain too much, and drank the water.

I would have gone for BRob if he was unrepentant like Rich. "I outwitted you dummies, I outplayed you at the challenges, and its your choice if I outlast Amber. Amber was key to my making it here, but face it I played harder than Amber" - would have won my vote for the second million and I think he could have had a shot to win over Shi-Ann for the million.

Posted by: toddvj

The whole reason they made this contest is so they could give a Million to Rupert.

Posted by: Fofer

quote:
Originally posted by toddvj
The whole reason they made this contest is so they could give a Million to Rupert.

No, the whole reason they made this contest is to boost ratings during sweeps week. CBS doesn't care WHO the million goes to.

Nice avatar, BTW.

Posted by: Meinrad

quote:
Originally posted by nyny523
So based on Meinrad and Smak's theory, we should all be voting for Amber to win the second million as well - correct?

Nope. Vote for who you like and who you want to see take home the million. Smak and I are just saying we think the "BEST" player is the one who wins, based on the game criteria. But this thread is about who you want to get the million, so that can be anyone. As I think I've said before, I voted for Shii Anne.

Posted by: Meinrad

quote:
Originally posted by smak
Second, he doesn't seem interested in taking advantage of his new fame by appearing in a bunch of lame commercials. Maybe he hasn't had the chance, i guess we'll see.

In his chat on Monday he clearly stated TV was going to be his new career. He had already signed a few deals one of which had something to do with some contest in Vegas I do believe. Good for him. I hope he gets all he can out of his popularity.

Posted by: fmowry

Johnny Fairplay should win the million.

My vote would go to the survivor who most made me want to watch the show.

That would be in no particular order, Johnny Fairplay, BRob, Richard Hatch and Rob C. They were funny and actually played the game and made me want to see what they'd do next.

Hmm, wasn't Rupert the psycho who was complaining wildly about the stupid fishing pole being lost because it was his baby? It was already proven that almost anyone could fish. He just happened to hoard the equipment.

While I commend him for working with troubled teens it is sort of strange that a councelor looks like he just came down from an acid trip at a Dead concert. In his first Survivor, Rupert was intimidating and scary. There was entertainment value there but not as much as with the previous 4 mentioned.

Frank

Posted by: Skittles

I have a suspicion that Johnny Fairplay won't win... not by a longshot. :D

Posted by: cpalma

for the record, Jenna did get $175,000 for 3rd place.

Anyone who says "your vote is wrong" is just stupid, Stupid, STUPID! How can an opinion or choice be wrong?

Posted by: nyny523

I don't think anyone here has said "your vote is wrong" to anyone else.
Everyone is just expressing their opinion, which is the thing I personally enjoy most about this forum. Unlike many other posting sites, I think people here are very respectful of the opinions of others, even if they disagree. If you start off respecting the fact that others may have opinions that differ with yours, you can engage in some lively, interesting debate on a variety of subjects.

And, BTW, I still think BRob deserves the second million :)

Posted by: KRS

quote:
Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
I don't fault you guys for voting for who you think "played" the best game, and I'd hope you wouldn't fault me for voting for the player who has the most of my respect.

This game has a lot of unspoken rules, too, you know, and it DOES say a lot about the guy when he can get that far into the game with his nature. Who says that's not about honesty? If you want to look at it this way, loyalty and honesty are just one more strategy for playing.

I'm sick to death of people making me feel like an idiot for voting for Rupert. Everyone who votes for someone in this thing is voting for their own reasons, and it's really quite stupid to say "your reasons are wrong".

All I was trying to do was point out that Rupert did not play a totally honest game. You said that was a big part of the reason you were voting for him, while I thought his honesty was debatable. In fact, I think that the real "honest" players are the ones who are honest with themselves that it is just a game.

Don't take it so personally, we're just debating here. I don't think anybody has said that _you_ are stupid for voting Rupert. Some of us are just trying to make the argument that Rupert is getting all the votes based on his personality/popularity. To me, after watching Rob play so well all season and then lose out at the end is what is wrong.

When I compare and contrast Rupert and Rob's games, I can't see Rupert coming out on top (but that's just me). That's all.

Posted by: nyny523

Nicely said KRS :)

Posted by: Big_Daddy

quote:
Originally posted by KRS
To me, after watching Rob play so well all season and then lose out at the end is what is wrong.

But he didn't win because he took his GF to the final 2. If he'd taken Jenna, he would have won (if I recall the reunion show correctly). In other words, he did a Colby.

One bad choice will kill you.

Posted by: YCantAngieRead

Agreed, BD. I have a feeling he would have won if he'd taken any of the final five with him instead of Amber. And while he did play a decent game, he managed to seriously alienate two of the jury-for whatever reason-so not winning was kind of his own fault. If you want to play a ruthless game, you have to be prepared to deal with the hostility that's going to come with that.

But really, I just want to see a good guy come out on top for once. I get so tired of all of my guy friends saying that nice guys always finish last (which, by the way, feels really good when you're dating one of the guys who always says this) and it'd be a kick to see a good guy finish first for once.

quote:
While I commend him for working with troubled teens it is sort of strange that a councelor looks like he just came down from an acid trip at a Dead concert.

This one I can speak to from personal experience. I, too, wear a lot of tie dye (although I skipped the beard :D) I used to spend my summers working with teens and troubled teens. For some reason, they're more apt to come up to you and start talking to you if you look "less mature". Or different. I experienced this phenomenon many times. I'm not really sure why it is-other than perhaps I looked like someone who also wasn't afraid to buck authority or something, but it works. Perhaps it's the mentality that we've been in their shoes or something, which a lot of us have.

Posted by: KRS

quote:
Originally posted by Big_Daddy
But he didn't win because he took his GF to the final 2. If he'd taken Jenna, he would have won (if I recall the reunion show correctly). In other words, he did a Colby.

One bad choice will kill you.

I know it has been said before, but think about how bad Rob would have looked if he had backstabbed Amber at the last minute. Maybe us armchair Survivor fans would have applauded it as a brilliant tactical move, but I doubt the jury would have felt that way (especially Amber).

And I don't think it was as cut and dry as Colby's decision. Rob was hoping that the jury would (accurately) see Amber as a coattail rider and see him as the master manipulator. It was "Lex-ish" sour grapes that really cost him the game.

Posted by: ClutchBrake

quote:
Originally posted by Big_Daddy
But he didn't win because he took his GF to the final 2. If he'd taken Jenna, he would have won (if I recall the reunion show correctly). In other words, he did a Colby.

One bad choice will kill you.

No, the "you would have won if you had taken Jenna" at the reunion show was lame. It was not proof at all.

I think Rob would have been slaughtered had he taken Jenna to the final two.

Three people voted for Rob:

Kathy
Jenna
Rupert

Four voted against Rob:

Lex
Big Tom
Shii-Ann
Alicia

No way Lex, Big Tom, or Alicia would have voted for BRob, not even over Jenna. Rupert would have voted for Jenna. In all probability if BRob turned on Amber Kathy would have voted for Jenna. Who knows what Amber would have done. I'm betting vote for Jenna. The only person I can see voting for BRob had he taken Jenna would be Shii-Ann.

Posted by: YCantAngieRead

Rob had, as I've mentioned, two votes against him to begin with-Lex and Big Tom. He got those two votes against himself by playing a ruthless game. He sort of screwed himself out of the million.

Posted by: KRS

quote:
Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
Agreed, BD. I have a feeling he would have won if he'd taken any of the final five with him instead of Amber.

He _might_ have won against Big Tom, but Rupert and Jenna would have beaten him, and we all know what happened against Amber.

Posted by: KRS

quote:
Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
Rob had, as I've mentioned, two votes against him to begin with-Lex and Big Tom. He got those two votes against himself by playing a ruthless game. He sort of screwed himself out of the million.

Apologies in advance....

The way I see it, he screwed himself INTO the million!

(thanks folks, I'll be here all week. Try the veal)

Posted by: JEbbesen

quote:
Originally posted by cpalma
Why does everyone think Rupert deserves the Million?? Yes, he's a nice guy. Yes, he played 2 games back-to-back. Sure he worked hard throughout the game, but he kinda just stayed under the radar the whole time. He never one 1 immunity challenge (he did win a couple of reward challenges). He also may have lost tribe challenges. He seems like a great guy and all but I don't think he deserves the money.

I think Rob deserves it. He manipulated the game throughout. He definitely Outplayed, Outlasted, and Outwitted everyone else. That's who my vote goes to.

Ditto. I voted for Rob.

I think Rupert will win, though I can't see what he added otherwise than fish. He screwed up the shelter, didn't have a concrete plan and missed several opportunities to move in a direction that he could have benefited from. He simply played an inferior game.

He lost me when at the end of his first show, he wined about how his dreams were shattered or whatnot. I won't vote for winers.

Posted by: DLiquid

quote:
Originally posted by KRS
I know it has been said before, but think about how bad Rob would have looked if he had backstabbed Amber at the last minute. Maybe us armchair Survivor fans would have applauded it as a brilliant tactical move, but I doubt the jury would have felt that way (especially Amber).

Actually, I thought that his only chance of winning it was to backstab Amber at the last minute. That would have showed the jury that backstabbing was his strategy to the end. Maybe Alicia and Big Tom wouldn't have been as bitter had BRob betrayed his girlfriend as his final strategic move. As in, "Wow, he even backstabbed Amber! He really played all of us." It would have taken the spotlight off of Alicia and Tom and made them feel less foolish. At least they weren't falling for him when they were backstabbed.

I actually think he still would have lost, and he might not be engaged right now if he had done it, but it wouldn't have been a bad move if all he wanted was to win the game.

Posted by: Big_Daddy

quote:
Originally posted by ClutchBrake
No, the "you would have won if you had taken Jenna" at the reunion show was lame. It was not proof at all.

No way Lex, Big Tom, or Alicia would have voted for BRob, not even over Jenna. Rupert would have voted for Jenna. In all probability if BRob turned on Amber Kathy would have voted for Jenna. Who knows what Amber would have done. I'm betting vote for Jenna. The only person I can see voting for BRob had he taken Jenna would be Shii-Ann.

Nice analysis - I hadn't broken it down by vote like this. I think you're probably right. The "what would have happened if you had taken ????" question at reunion shows is never accurate - often a lot of the animosity contestants felt at the time of the vote dissipates by the time the reunion occurs. Not THIS time apparently, but often.

Rob's a good example of how it's important to be kind to your jury.

A thought for discussion, however. We've seen how the All-Stars all knew each other outside the show, and this definitely impacted their game. I wonder if they did not have this relationship, 1) would Rob have made it as far as he did?, and 2) if he did make the final 2, would he have won? It was relationships that got him to the final two, and relationships (mainly trashing them) that lost him the game.

Posted by: smak

I don't think that Rupert played a bad game, simply because the only scenario he wins in, is to win the last 2 challenges.

Nobody in their right mind is taking him to the final 2. Even his closest ally voted him out.

Rob on the other hand, blew it by not realizing, or not caring that he was behaving in a way that insured his defeat.

I don't think he deserves the extra million, because he failed to see that these people were really pissed off, and continued to act the same way.

Sure, Lex, Alicia and Big Tom were big-time whiners, and only had themselves to blame. But, Rob never strayed from his "I am in charge, and I am voting you out" way of playing, and because of that, he lost.

-smak-

Posted by: barkowitz

So I have to weigh in here.

To begin, did anyone else recall at the beginning when they were first talking about the Survivor All-Stars show, there was speculation they would be offerig a $2 million prize? I seem to remember this from some of the insider web pages.

I also, at the start of the season, found a web page that "leaked" that Amber would win the million and that she and Rob would be the final two.

Interesting to note that all of this turned out to be true except the $2 million dollar angle. Did the prize change? Was there an incentive to move the $1 million back because the winner was known up front? If all the other players got more money than usual, why then didn't the winner?

With all of that said, I personally am on the fence here. I genuinely like the character that Rupert has portrayed (or rather how Burnett has portrayed him), so part of me wants to cast my vote that way. But I agree that Boston Rob deserves the million for his game play alone. He was just simply the best player.

And whatever happened to the "you can't share the million" rule for the winner. Does this apply to spouses?

Posted by: YCantAngieRead

Actually, pre-Survivor, I'd heard that the prize was going to be $5 million. Don't remember where I heard that, though-I also saw all the websites that predicted Amber and Rob.

Posted by: Peter000

quote:
Originally posted by barkowitz
whatever happened to the "you can't share the million" rule for the winner. Does this apply to spouses?

Apparently not... sort of a loophole they found.

Romantacism aside, I found myself thinking "geez, he'll do ANYTHING to get his hands on that money, won't he?" when Rob proposed. He still played the game after the game was apparently over! At the reveal, when nothing else could be done, he thought for sure he lost so he played the last card up his sleeve. The ultimate player. It just goes to show you what kind of impression Rob left on me as a person when all is said and done.

Posted by: phodg

Boston Rob and Amber were on Stern this morning. They said that because show rules state you can't share the prize, the money has to go into an account bearing only Amber's name. That's how they get around sharing it. Of course, she can spend it on whatever she wants. :)
They also mentioned that they've been back since December. I thought the show was taped way after that, but apparently not.

Posted by: jeff125va

I almost voted for Boston Rob, but voted for Rudy instead. What cost Rob my vote were his apologies at the final T.C. Apologizing for playing to win? I wanted to tell Lex and Alicia to [something I won't type here]. Like Jenna said, Rob should have been proud of the way he played. I realize Kathy did end up voting for Rob, but I think the converse of what she said during T.C. is true - I don't think a true friendship would be affected by someone trying to win a game (certainly not by anything Rob did).

I guess I also didn't want to vote for Rob because he already won the 2nd place money plus realistically a share of the first $1M, but in principle I didn't want to decide based on that. I'd still love to see Boston Rob win just to spite Tom, Alicia and Lex.

I thought it was interesting that Probst used the poker analogy, but I was disappointed that he downplayed it. To me, the only difference between deceiving in Survivor and bluffing in poker, is that you do, in essence, have to show your cards, i.e. when you vote off someone with whom you had a supposed alliance. I can just see Lex, Alicia and Tom going off on their rants after folding to someone who had a losing hand.

Posted by: bobsbizzy

quote:
Originally posted by KRS
Apologies in advance....

The way I see it, he screwed himself INTO the million!

Nice work if you can get it!:D

Posted by: scottjf8

Yay Rupert!!!

Posted by: newsposter

Was that 'rant' by Jeff an invitation for Jerri to leave? And I still have no idea how she was even voted a possible sexy woman...ugh!

Yea Rup!

I felt like I was watching american idol on cbs with the way jeff did the presentation. after the break.........

Posted by: laria

Booooooooo Rupert.

I was rooting for Big Tom.

Posted by: zyzzx

What a boring episode, if one can even call it that. I FFed past most of it just to get to the preview of the next show and the vote.

Posted by: David Platt

Does this mean I never have to listen to Rupert's dumb-ass yelling again?

Posted by: ord

RUPERT!!!!!

YAY!!!!

I laughed, I cried, I grunted!

Posted by: justapixel

I'm glad it was Rupert too. He was my favorite and I'm glad he won.

Posted by: bobjohnson

quote:
Originally posted by laria
Booooooooo Rupert.

I was rooting for Big Tom.

Well, since it's already been spoiled:

Big Tom was a yokel who would have boozed away that money quicker than spit.

Woooooohooo for Rupert!!!!!!!

Finally the good guy wins it. :up:

Posted by: bobjohnson

quote:
Originally posted by newsposter
Was that 'rant' by Jeff an invitation for Jerri to leave? And I still have no idea how she was even voted a possible sexy woman...ugh!

Yea Rup!

I felt like I was watching american idol on cbs with the way jeff did the presentation. after the break.........

I think Jeff did yeoman's work defending Jerry on Sunday, and for her to insult him, I'm glad he put her in her place. :up:

Posted by: Avian

85% of the vote, go Rupert!!

Posted by: ord

quote:
Originally posted by Avian
85% of the vote, go Rupert!!

85%? Wow.

Do you have a link for that?

Posted by: Fofer

Interesting that Jeff kept saying the vote was for "America's favorite Survivor," yet the voting page asked "Who do you think deserved to win Survivor: All Stars?" ...a very different question.

That said, I voted for Rupert, and was glad he won.

Posted by: ced6

So, watching all the old clips, it made me realize why I love Rupert (and I think why many others do as well). No, he's not perfect. Yes, he can have a temper (and who here can claim that they don't, at least once in a while).

But what Rupert stood for was for the person in (at least, I think, most) of us who was made fun of as a child (whether for being overweight, or being the first to wear a bra, or the first to do whatever embarrasing thing guys do first, etc.). I would hazard a guess that most of America was made fun of, rather than being the bully (at least when I was in grade school, there was one bully for ever 5 kids being the "loser"). And that, at least partially, I believe, is why Rupert was so loved. He was the "loser" proving everyone wrong (I remember when my mom used to tell me that popularity in grade school meant nothing to your later life). He proved that. Anyway, that's my opinion. YaaaaY Rupert!!

(and yes, this is slightly personal if you couldn't already guess :D )

Posted by: smak

I think the actual CBS text was:

"This million is nothing compared to the money we'll make on this extra show, instead of showing a CSI:Miami rerun.

-smak-

Posted by: scubagal

I was surprised at Colby and Tom in the final four......

and I found out about Jenna's marriage- she married a 21 year old model she met AFTER she returned from Panama. She says they met in March after she returned at a restaurant.

Nothing like marrying a 21 year old 6 weeks after you meet him, especially when you have two little girls to worry about creating a stable family for.

Ugh- I dislike Jenna even more now.....

Posted by: Meinrad

quote:
Originally posted by ced6
But what Rupert stood for was for the person in (at least, I think, most) of us who was made fun of as a child (whether for being overweight, or being the first to wear a bra, or the first to do whatever embarrasing thing guys do first, etc.).

You just made me realize another reason why I didn't take to Rupert like many others did. I was picked on quite a bit growing up. It was for various reasons, and at times very harsh. The thing is, I didn't whine about it then, let alone now, and I'm a much stronger person for taking it and rising above it. But Rupert still seems to be the kid that gets picked on. Get over it already.

Posted by: Meinrad

I LOVE Probst as a host. I think he just keeps getting better and better. I wish he would have told Jerri to leave instead of just giving her the chance though. She's an idiot and he made sure she knew what he thought about her.

There was nothing really new talked about so the show was generally pretty boring. There is only so many times you can rehash the same old stuff, especially when no one will say what they really want to say. The chats and personal interviews have been much better since they will talk about each other alot more.

Posted by: jschuman

quote:
Originally posted by scubagal
I was surprised at Colby and Tom in the final four......

But here's the real question: Was the Final Four the 4 highest vote getters? They never said that explicitly. All they said was that they will "whittle it down from 18 to 4 and to 1". We know that Rupert got the most votes, but it's quite possible that MB decided who the Final Four would be based on some other criteria (i.e., the most 'interesting' Final Four)

Yes, they tried to make it seem like the Final Four were the 4 highest vote getters, but (as far as I heard), they never said it. Are the voting results public?

Posted by: Tracy

I liked the show. The reunion shows always feel so rushed and not everyone gets a chance to say something. They had some time to relax and have fun on this show. I agree with Meinrad about Probst--he is a great host.

Posted by: pmyers

Last nights show really angered me. All night Jeff kept saying "and the X person you voted most popular survivor is....". That's not what that darn survey question asked on the website. The website said "who DESERVES the million dollars". There is a big difference between who I like the most and who I think DESERVED it. Based on DESERVING the money, in my mind it can only be one of the final 2 people, so I voted for Rob. Based on who I LIKE the most I would have voted for Rupert.

Posted by: QueenBee

Rupert won me over when he stole the other teams stuff because he was a "pirate". He made the show fun to watch.

Posted by: KRS

I laughed out loud when they first showed Fairplay sitting in the front row. And again when Jeff said "Good luck getting into the after party."

Rob C seemed a bit nervous - the things he said weren't up to his usual comedic standards.

What the heck was Jerri even talking about? 'We didn't get to express what we were feeling'? OK, so when given the opportunity to say how you feel, all you do is complain that you didn't get a chance to.....? Huh.

Watching all those clips made me wish that other Survivors had been on All Stars (Robb, Colleen and the blonde guy she hung out with, the used car salesman, Fairplay....). Maybe one day they will have a second All Star show.

Lex is still a putz. 5 months later, and he still can't be man enough to accept Rob's apology! Even Big Tom seemed to have buried the hatchet.

Big Tom is only in his mid to late 40s?!? He looks at least 10 years older.

Amber as hottest female Survivor? She is attractive, but I would put Colleen and Elizabeth before her. Oh well. No shock that Colby got picked.

And finally, I'd just like to point out (to those involved in the Survivor thread discussion about accents) that Jeff commented on how difficult it was to understand Tom. And no comments were made about Rob's accent.

Posted by: VinceKM

Watching last nights show was fun. I remarked to my wife that Survivor has done a great job in keeping itself fun to watch. With the glut of reality shows, Survivor is the only one I return to each time.

That said, I wish again that Cesternino had made it farther in All-Stars. The bit where they replayed where Jenna and Heidi got naked for peanut butter was classic.... Rob's delivery of that line was funny then and it's funny now...

"Get the girls some peanut butter.."

Posted by: pmyers

That line is one of the best every....and I think it was "Jeff.....Get the girls some peanut butter!".

Posted by: loubob57

"Get these girls some peanut butter Probst!"

Posted by: Billy66

So is there a link to the vote breakdown? I'm sure it was a landslide but it'd be interesting to know.

Posted by: DLiquid

quote:
Originally posted by Fofer
Interesting that Jeff kept saying the vote was for "America's favorite Survivor," yet the voting page asked "Who do you think deserved to win Survivor: All Stars?" ...a very different question.

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
Last nights show really angered me. All night Jeff kept saying "and the X person you voted most popular survivor is....". That's not what that darn survey question asked on the website. The website said "who DESERVES the million dollars". There is a big difference between who I like the most and who I think DESERVED it.

I'm not sure what you guys are talking about. On Tuesday, I copied and pasted the EXACT text from the cbs.com voting page into this thread. This is what it said:

quote:
America, you decide: Who do you want to win the million dollars?

There was nothing there about deserving. Are you saying that cbs.com actually changed the question at some point during the voting period?

Posted by: vman

While I certainly don't want to defend Jerri, who truly has nothing to complain about given her repeated appeance on these shows, I thought Probst was a little self-serving when he said "your contractual obligations are done and you can go now if you don't want to be here." Come on, they required them to come to the show, and once there he tells them they can leave? To me it just pointed out the fact that they had to come whether they really wanted to or not...I recall that woman several seasons ago who was the first voted out and broke down during the recap show discussing how tough it had been returning to her life after Survivor. Sure, perhaps she invited it by participating but she didn't strike me as someone who wanted to rehash the wounds on TV.

Posted by: vman

And another thing -- no Gina among the hottest survivor women? What a crock!

Posted by: ced6

I was curious about something Jeff said. He kept saying that these are the people you "nominated" to be the sexiest, best villain, etc. I don't remember ever nominating anyone (and I was disappointed because some of the people I wanted to vote for weren't apparently nominated). Was this something on the website during the season? Just curious if anyone knows.

Posted by: vman

quote:
Originally posted by ced6
I was curious about something Jeff said. He kept saying that these are the people you "nominated" to be the sexiest, best villain, etc. I don't remember ever nominating anyone (and I was disappointed because some of the people I wanted to vote for weren't apparently nominated). Was this something on the website during the season? Just curious if anyone knows.

I didn't vote, but my wife did and she said on the website there were a number of multiple choice questions to answer as well. But the options were all pre-selected - there was no "nomination" involved.

Posted by: Uther

quote:
Originally posted by DLiquid
I'm not sure what you guys are talking about. On Tuesday, I copied and pasted the EXACT text from the cbs.com voting page into this thread. This is what it said:
...
There was nothing there about deserving. Are you saying that cbs.com actually changed the question at some point during the voting period?

Yes. When the poll went up the first night, it asked who you think should have won Survivor All-Stars (or something to that effect). So, I voted for Boston Rob. However, that's not the way Probst announced the poll on the reunion show... He basically said vote for whoever, for whatever reason. So I voted for Rupert.

We all knew he was going to win anyway. :)

Posted by: DLiquid

quote:
Originally posted by Uther
Yes. When the poll went up the first night, it asked who you think should have won Survivor All-Stars (or something to that effect). So, I voted for Boston Rob. However, that's not the way Probst announced the poll on the reunion show... He basically said vote for whoever, for whatever reason. So I voted for Rupert.

We all knew he was going to win anyway. :)

Hmmm.... So you're saying the poll originally asked "who do you think should have won?" Did it say "should have" or "deserved to?" Subtle difference, but I'm wondering how many times they changed the question. By Tuesday it was definitely "who do you want to win?"

Posted by: ufo4sale

I know they changed it a couple of times before they left it alone. I don't know how many exactly.

Posted by: pmyers

When I answered the poll first thing Monday morning, it definatly said DESERVE. I didn't look at it after that so I don't know if they changed it.

Posted by: ced6

quote:
Originally posted by vman
I didn't vote, but my wife did and she said on the website there were a number of multiple choice questions to answer as well. But the options were all pre-selected - there was no "nomination" involved.

Right, I agree with that. But during the show, I swear Probst said things like "now let's look at the Survivors you nominated for sexiest female survivor," and then he'd go through the list of people provided on the website. Then he'd tell you the winner. I was just curious if anyone actually gave input into who was on those lists or if it was some intern that "nominated" these people.

Posted by: Fofer

Here's my recollection of the CBS website presentation. The main page asked, "America, you decide: Who do you want to win the million dollars?" and when you clicked that link, it presented a new page, with a list of all the players, with the question "Who do you think deserved to win Survivor: All Stars?" IOW, the question differed from page to page.

I'll admit, I came into this thread just having some fun with the question, started to nitpick the tone of the survey, and then watched the show and enjoyed it. Now that it's over and the nitpicking continues, it's not as much fun anymore.

It's not like it's some presidential election with hanging chads or anything. It's a freakin' popularity contest / ratings ploy for CBS. No lives hang in the balance here, it's just a reality TV show. :)

That said, Probst did do a great job on the interviews! It seems like he enjoys raising the intellectual bar and really gets into the psychology/strategy of the game. I like how he didn't back down or cozy up to anyone; he made each and every contestant defend their actions.

"Get...the...girls some PEANUT BUTTER, PROBST."

:D

The delivery of that line had me instant-replaying quite a bit... laughing out loud! Rob C's straight-faced, immediate delivery made it a classic. (In retrospect, now I really regret skipping that season. Survivor was going through a lull and I stopped enjoying it for a bit. Maybe I'll catch up with it on DVD.)

Posted by: IndyMark

quote:
Originally posted by KRS
Rob C seemed a bit nervous - the things he said weren't up to his usual comedic standards.

I'm a huge Rob C fan and I actually thought that he appeared to be on something. He was almost blabbering.

Posted by: brianric

quote:
Originally posted by bobjohnson
Well, since it's already been spoiled:

Big Tom was a yokel who would have boozed away that money quicker than spit.

:

Why should you care what he does with the money, as long as it is legal.

Posted by: bobsbizzy

Great to see Rupert win, that money will change their life for sure. (In a good way).

I enjoyed the show, thought it had a nice pace, and agree that Jeff is a great host, he asks much more probing questions that most hosts do in those circumstances.

Maybe its just me, but I thought I detected a change in Jeff's persona when talking to Johnie Fairplay. It seemed that he (Jeff) genuinely disliked Fairplay and was forcing himself to have a conversation with him.

Maybe it was Jeffs influence that ensure JF was not in survivor allstars? (Pure speculation on my part).

Given the bunch of sheep we ended up with in the final 6 - 8, having JF in there to stir things up would have made for a much more interesting show.
(In my opinion).

Posted by: Billy66

Promises are like wicker furniture and fat women...both easily broken by Johnny Fairplay.

He would have been something for sure and they might have kept him around not knowing he was devious because they couldn't see Pearl Islands.

Posted by: DLiquid

I don't think it's ever been a secret that Probst dislikes Jonny Fairplay, although IIRC Probst did say by the time Fairplay got the boot, his dislike for him had diminished somewhat.

I'm glad Jon wasn't on All Stars. He was sometimes entertaining on Pearl Islands, but the guy is a complete tool and I'd really rather not have to watch him anymore, unless it's in some silly show like The Surreal Life.

Posted by: bobjohnson

quote:
Originally posted by brianric
Why should you care what he does with the money, as long as it is legal.

I don't. But given that we both had a proverbial vote in the matter, why should you care why I should care? You vote your way, I'll vote mine.

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by bobsbizzy
Great to see Rupert win, that money will change their life for sure. (In a good way).

I enjoyed the show, thought it had a nice pace, and agree that Jeff is a great host, he asks much more probing questions that most hosts do in those circumstances.

Maybe its just me, but I thought I detected a change in Jeff's persona when talking to Johnie Fairplay. It seemed that he (Jeff) genuinely disliked Fairplay and was forcing himself to have a conversation with him.

Maybe it was Jeffs influence that ensure JF was not in survivor allstars? (Pure speculation on my part).

Given the bunch of sheep we ended up with in the final 6 - 8, having JF in there to stir things up would have made for a much more interesting show.
(In my opinion).

Johnny Fairplay would've gotten the boot fast. His 'work ethic', from what the producers showed of it in Pearl Islands, would have done him in...

Posted by: brianric

quote:
Originally posted by bobjohnson
I don't. But given that we both had a proverbial vote in the matter, why should you care why I should care? You vote your way, I'll vote mine.

It's like listening to the Catholic Church preach morality.

Posted by: scottjf8

I would have LOVED to have seen Fairplay on Allstars..

Posted by: lander215

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
Last nights show really angered me. All night Jeff kept saying "and the X person you voted most popular survivor is....". That's not what that darn survey question asked on the website. The website said "who DESERVES the million dollars". There is a big difference between who I like the most and who I think DESERVED it. Based on DESERVING the money, in my mind it can only be one of the final 2 people, so I voted for Rob. Based on who I LIKE the most I would have voted for Rupert.

I believe the CBS website was confusing. They had a poll up as to who you thought deserved to win the All-Stars game and there was a *separate* poll for who you wanted to win the "extra" million on Thursday.

It may be that a lot of people actually voted for the wrong poll because CBS kept the "old" poll up there while they were asking you to vote for the "extra" million dollar winner.

I've always found the Survivor site to be a confusing romp around a show, FWIW.

Posted by: ced6

quote:
Originally posted by lander215
I believe the CBS website was confusing. They had a poll up as to who you thought deserved to win the All-Stars game and there was a *separate* poll for who you wanted to win the "extra" million on Thursday.

It may be that a lot of people actually voted for the wrong poll because CBS kept the "old" poll up there while they were asking you to vote for the "extra" million dollar winner.

I thought they were both the same poll?? Because when I clicked on them, they both took me to the same page where you had to vote on sexiest survivor, etc. I think I voted on both just to be safe.