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American Idol 5/11 and 5/12 *SPOILERS*
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Posted by: brott
Here's my 2-cents worth.
Tonights rank:
Diana
Fantasia
LaToya
Jasmine
Jasmine really didn't do too well tonight. She did much better last week (and many of you thought she did poor last week). I suprised myself by thinking Fantasia was better than LaToya. Diana did great, though.
Posted by: David Platt
You know, I've been trying to decide from week one whether I want La Toya or Fantasia to win. It's always been between those two for me. Tonight it finally hit me how much Fantasia deserves to win over LT. While La Toya is technically very good, and has a powerhouse of a voice, she just doesn't have the personality to back it up. Fantasia makes anything she sings interesting, even if the song itself kind of sucks. She has the special extra something that Justapixel keeps talking about.
Posted by: LoadStar
Yeah, I feel SO sorry for Jasmine... it was so hard to watch her break down after her performance... but unfortunately, and she knows it, she's done after tonight. She wasn't great tonight. :( Give her 6 months off, and you'll see her again though.
I still can't stand the unabated saccharine coming from Diana... she was good aside from that tonight. She's just too disney-fied for my taste.
LaToya was excellent tonight, as she has been every week... her song choices were great, and she performed them well.
And Fantasia... bleh.
Posted by: Dexter1
Diana- Excellent night
Fantasia- kinda liked her first song, second song sucked.
La Toya- Good singer, but nothin' special.
Jasmine- Her vocal coach should be shot, Great potential, lousy fundamentals
Posted by: nyny523
Personally, I am surprised Jasmine has lasted as long as she has - the cute factor has definitely helped her, but I think as a performer she is just OK.
Much as I hate to admit it, because I absolutely hate that Saccharine sweet personality of hers, Diana did a really great job last night.
Latoya - as always - had some great vocals, but her delivery just leaves me cold. I liked her better early in the competition, but she really does nothing for me now.
I think Fantasia, over everyone, has the "Stuff". The fact that not everyone likes her vocal quality and some people have issues with her personality just makes her all the more interesting and compelling as a performer. Her uniqueness really sets her apart from the crowd.
Posted by: Turtleboy
Yeah, the Stepford Daughter did really well last night.
Loadstar, I just don't get your hatred of Fantasia and your love of Jasmine.
Oh well, to each his own.
Posted by: Skittles
Wow. What an amazing pair of performances from Diana last night. She really put her youth and energy into the song, and I didn't get the "old soul" vibe from her last night. Like Simon mentioned, I won't be surprised if it's her in the final two.
My pick for the bottom two: Fantasia and Jasmine, with Jasmine going home.
Posted by: mask2343
Jasmine - The first song was just awful...but the dress was awesome! If she could convey some more sexiness (maturity probably) with that dress, she'd be alot better.
LaToya - Great singer, boring performer. The second song was much better, but Simon hit the nail on the head when he said that he doesn't know anything about her personality.
Fantasia - Hands down the best of the bunch. Disco is not her thing though.
Diana - Not bad. Getting more mature, but still has that cheesiness when she talks afterwards. My wife thinks she gained weight since the beginning. I just think she is starting to dress in skimpier clothes.
Bottom 2 tonight: Jasmine and LaToya w/ Jasmine crying her way back to Hawaii. Don't know if we'll ever see her again.
Posted by: doom1701
Diana
LaToya
Fantasia
Jasmine
Jasmine's out--I'd bet the farm on it. Diana's first song was kinda poor, IMO--the low notes didn't really showcase her voice. But her second song, as well as her placement as the last singer of the night, put her on top.
LaToya has a very good voice. She's the one that they said a few weeks ago just kinda came out of nowhere, right? I thought both of her performances were good--but she doesn't have a spark.
Fantasia did a decent job, but I was surprised that this didn't seem to be her type of music.
Next week will be very interesting. I think it's all gonna depend on song style. I hope to see Fantasia take it all (simply because, out of everyone, she's definately got the spark), but her unique voice lends itself to some styles and doesn't lend itself to others. If she gets stuck in a style that doesn't suit her next week, she could be off. But if it does suit her, then it's gonna be up to personality of the other two--Diana is the sure winner there.
I'm gonna make a predicition--all along I've said that the final two will be Diana and Fantasia. I'm putting Diana in the final spot right now.
Posted by: nyny523
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mask2343
Diana - Not bad. Getting more mature, but still has that cheesiness when she talks afterwards. My wife thinks she gained weight since the beginning. I just think she is starting to dress in skimpier clothes.
Diana has always been a little "chunky", but hid it better earlier on. Her wardrobe choices of late have been younger, sexier and more fashionable, but not really flattering to her figure.
Posted by: brott
The thing that I have noticed about LaToya is that she seems to rely on her training too much. She seems to be thinking a lot about the technical aspects of singing but very little about the performance aspect of the show. Her voice is great, by far the best of the 12. She suffers from being introverted and to be a really good performer, she needs to overcome that while she is on stage. Even though she did very good last night, she may in fact be the one to leave. Jasmine did not do well, but her tears will probably give her more votes than she would have otherwise received.
nyny523 .. I do not like Fantasia's voice at all. If it were not for her ability to perform, I would always rank her last. Last night, I actually thought that Fantasia and Diana were pretty close. In fact, had Fantasia sang better on the latter half of the second song I probably would have had her first (and I don't like her). Diana has definitely grown during the competition (perhaps in more ways than one :D ). Each of the past three weeks, I think that she has nailed the genre dead on. To me, that is what the show is about and that is why I have ranked her first in each of the last three weeks.
Posted by: cpalma
OK, of all the performers, Diana did the best [her second song, "Enough is Enough" was just great. It's not easy to do justice to a song by D. Summer AND Barbara Streisand! She did it. She had her best performance of the competition last night.
Jasmine, unfortunately, did the worst. Simon was a little harsh. He just could have handled himself a little better. Obviously he thought so too, as Randy said Simon apologized. I think Jasmine's tears were a combination of knowing she didn't do well and sheer exhaustion. I noticed after her second song, her smile seemed forced. She has a beautiful smile and I noticed a difference in it.
LaToya was LaToya. You know week after week you're going to get a good performance out of her, but she has no personality.
Which brings me to Fantasia. She has personality. She brings it every week. She doesn't just stand on stage and perform like a monkey. She takes chances. AND she can sing.
I know a lot of people think she's whiney, throws out too many comments, isn't humble, etc. But if you compare the styles between the top 3, Fantasia will grow and change with the times (a la Madonna). The other 2 will be typecast "Pop Stars" throughout their careers. Popstars fade after a while. Remember all the female singers in the early 90's. Where's Allanis Morrisette, Natalie Imbrulia, Jewel, etc. today? Fantasia is comfortable at all times. She is not rude. What's the problem?
Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
My vote goes to Fantasia, with Diana maybe surpassing LaToya if Diana continues to improve.
Posted by: faerie
Fantasia all the way!! woo hoo!
I can't get over Diana's cheesiness, but I do have to admit that she did very well last night.
I felt sorry for Jasmine too, after she broke down and cried, but I can't stand that EVERY song she sings is "pitchy" Her first song was just awful and painful to sit through. Week after week, I've thought she's blown it. She needs to work on her pitch, once she gets that under control, I think she'll be great.
LaToya has a great voice but Fantasia is the only one I'd pay money to see live.
Posted by: jgickler
So what is the deal with Fantasia's song choices? Does she think she can just pick any song, regardless of the nights theme. Last week she tried to pass off Queen as big band, now she is taking a R&B song from the 60's ( Knock on Wood ) and a 80's pop song from the Footloose soundtrack ( Holding on for a hero). If it is disco night, do a disco song, if it is big band night, do a big band song.
My picks based on last night:
Dianna - don't really like her but she nailed it last night
LaToya - Two solid performances, but not as much spart as will be needed to win
Fantasia - Horrible, I hope she goes, but at least she was in tune.
Jasmine - The dress was hot, I really like her but she stunk it up last night.
Posted by: etexlady
I have been a LaToya backer from the get-go but didn't even bother to vote last night for her. I love her voice and her performances are always polished and technically outstanding but there seems to be nothing there personality-wise so I suppose I have lost interest. I like Fantasia okay and she has done herself a favor by ditching the "attitude" in the last few weeks. I think Jasmine did better earlier in the competition but has gone steadily downhill. But, now, Diana, you have to admit that girl can sing. I've enjoyed her performances from the beginning and, of all the group, I think she has shown the most growth. As for the "cheesiness", she's only 16, is a southern girl and has good manners, give her a break. I think Jasmine will go tonight.
Posted by: Dafaso
Jasmine's tears probably had her fans voting for her in full force last night. Don't be surprised if Fantasia gets voted out.
Posted by: jeffden
Actually, Knock on Wood was a huge disco hit for Amii Stewart. It was a remake of course, but would qualify as disco. But, you are right, Fantasia has really stretched the boundaries of what the genres really include. That said, she was great on Knock on Wood and very good with Hero ( I have always, by the way, hated, hated, hated that song ). It is kind of funny, on the HBO first look at Shrek 2, the fairy godmother also sings Hero and it also was just good.
Diana was really, really good on both her songs and Latoya was fantastic on her second song, she was just OK on her first one.
Jasmine, beautiful girl, no chance.
J
Posted by: SoldOnTiVo
quote:
Originally posted by Turtleboy
Yeah, the Stepford Daughter did really well last night.
:D :D Best Diana description I've heard.
I can't stand Macy Gray but still thinks Fantasia should win. There's just something about her that shines through. A bit of attitude, a lot of feeling in the performance, a connection with the audience; she's different.
Diana is way too "cookie cutter" for my taste and LaToya is vocally great, but performance-challenged.
Posted by: SoldOnTiVo
oh, and give Jasmine a few years and she could be great (but maybe still in the "cookie cutter performance" category, though).
Posted by: TiVoLance
My Ranking from last night:
Fantasia
Diana
LaToya (previously my fav)
Jasmine (horrible)
Diana never impressed me until last night and I think she did really well. LaToya was good but she just seemed so bleh. I saw The Tonight Show last night and it had Clay Aiken doing Solitare on it. Now that was a performance with power AND personality. The only one that has the personality this season seems to be Fantasia. Voice isn't everything.
Posted by: TivoLady2004
Oh can we please vote Diana off.... please? She drives me nuts. Yes, she can sing but so can Hillary Duff and yet I am just annoyed by her on the radio. Perhaps I am getting old....
Fantasia better pray to God she does not win this. American Idol has managed to do an absolutely horrible job with each winner. Kelly Clarkson and Reuben both released really cheesy songs (hmmmm... maybe Diana should win).
Kimberley Locke is going to enjoy a lot more success than Reuben - her first song is much better than his. Heck, even Clay's first release was better than Reuben's Sorry in 2004. (ugh)
La Toya - can you imagine if she had been your wedding singer? That would have been awesome! Still she lacks the personality to be a true "idol"
So that leaves us with Jasmine, who given the pop landscape, really should win. She has the most chance of being the next Jessica Simpson or Britney Spears (depending on the way she uses her sexuality). And really, isn't that what we are looking for? The next big thing? Think about it - How many people idolize Kelly or Reuben verses how many people idolize Britney, Jessica, and Christina?
Regardless, I guess it doesn't matter.... since as I previously stated, American Idol will manage to ruin the career of whoever wins. Let's sacrifice Diana or Jasmine, not someone that can make it on their own.
Slowly stepping off soapbox now...
Posted by: Tracy
quote:
Originally posted by Dafaso
Jasmine's tears probably had her fans voting for her in full force last night. Don't be surprised if Fantasia gets voted out.
I totally agree. The judges were overly cruel to Jasmine and she looked so vulnerable up there with the tears streaming down her face. I bet she survives another week--to take another beating from the judges.
Posted by: vman
Fantasia, who I disliked greatly early on, has been growing on me the past few weeks. I still am not crazy about her voice, but she truly does put great emotion into her songs. Except last night. I didn't get anything from her performances, although I didn't dislike them. I'd rank LaToya a bit above Fantasia last night. To me, Diana ranks first last night, although she really needs to cut out the cheerleading to the audience at the start of her songs.
Assuming Jasmine goes as expected tonight, I think next week will be very interesting. The final week I'd wager is going to be a repeat of the Clay/Reuben fiasco, with a 51.000000001 to 49.999999999 vote.
Posted by: Cabby
Are they going to have a week where they can cover some song that people actually listen to??? I mean while showing all this diversity is great, I dont think we are going to see Fantasia singing Disco or Big Band songs again anytime soon.
I dont know who dresses these people, but come on now... yuck. Both Diana and Fantasia aren't too slim, and I dont know about you, but I really dont need to see Fantasia's gut hanging over her belt or Diana's belly bulging through her slinky dress.
Posted by: Dafaso
quote:
Originally posted by vman
Fantasia, who I disliked greatly early on, has been growing on me the past few weeks. I still am not crazy about her voice, but she truly does put great emotion into her songs. Except last night. I didn't get anything from her performances, although I didn't dislike them. I'd rank LaToya a bit above Fantasia last night. To me, Diana ranks first last night, although she really needs to cut out the cheerleading to the audience at the start of her songs.
Assuming Jasmine goes as expected tonight, I think next week will be very interesting. The final week I'd wager is going to be a repeat of the Clay/Reuben fiasco, with a 51.000000001 to 49.999999999 vote.
With an extra 1% thrown in for freshness. ;)
Posted by: faerie
quote:
Originally posted by Cabby
Are they going to have a week where they can cover some song that people actually listen to??? I mean while showing all this diversity is great, I dont think we are going to see Fantasia singing Disco or Big Band songs again anytime soon.
I dont know who dresses these people, but come on now... yuck. Both Diana and Fantasia aren't too slim, and I dont know about you, but I really dont need to see Fantasia's gut hanging over her belt or Diana's belly bulging through her slinky dress.
And LaToya is not by any means chunky or overweight, but that second dress she wore made her hips look HUGE. It was awful.
Posted by: mooseAndSquirrel
quote:
Originally posted by cpalma
Remember all the female singers in the early 90's. Where's Allanis Morrisette, Natalie Imbrulia, Jewel, etc. today?
All out with fairly recent albums, all touring and all as rich as Croesus.
Posted by: bdowell
Diana safe and Fantasia to bottom two so far....
Will this be another week where the public gets scolded for not voting?
Or will it be proof to everyone that the public really isn't that sold on the judge's pre-picked choice?
I'm betting that Jasmine hits the bottom two and Latoya is safe.
But after about 10 minutes worth of commercials, I'll know for sure :D
Posted by: bdowell
Oh-my-gawd. Either LaToya or Fantasia is going home!!!
Posted by: Martha
Argh! I started watching this show at 9:20 thinking it was a 30 minute show and it would take about 10 minutes t0 minutes to catch up. Well, it did take 10 minutes to catch up. Now I'm having to suffer through all these ads. How DO people watch this live?
Posted by: Turtleboy
The Olive Garden fans are voting again.
Posted by: Martha
I can't believe they booed her.
Posted by: JerryK
WTF?
Posted by: YCantAngieRead
Hey, I'm an Olive Garden fan (sorta) and I think this is a pantload. Latoya deserved that contract more than any of them.
Posted by: bdowell
I'm just really worried that we're gonna have another week of cries of racism (which is a crock).
Personally, I know that Jasmine stunk and should be gone, but of the bottom two, I'd rather have seen Fantasia go home and LaToya stay.
LaToya was ripped off, and Jasmine and her friends with demon dialers are making this season as big a mockery as Jon Peter Lewis and John Stevens both did.
The judges deserve a lot of blame for over-hyping some of these entertainers, and not being patient enough with some others. But either way, this season will definitely be convincing someone that they need to change the voting process for this show before they ruin the show permanently.
Posted by: Martha
I don't get why they're all acting like LaToya died and Jasmine pulled the trigger...I mean, what is up with Paula sitting there crying? LaToya will still get a recording contract, as will the remaining three.
Posted by: Gunnyman2k3
Sadly,
my theory is proven yet again.
"people are stupid"
Jasmine was the worst performer of the night.
Latoya London will likely get a record deal though so all is not lost.
Posted by: TonyD79
I think I have just given up on this show for this season at least. I do not like nor want to listen to the remaining three.
Neither Jasmine nor Diana can sing. They can't hold their notes and Fantasia is extremely annoying in both singing and her style.
LaToya is punished for being GOOD. (It even reads here in this thread. Those "bored" by good singing.)
Posted by: Turtleboy
Why the hell is some island out in the middle of the ocean a state anyway? ;)
Posted by: TonyD79
quote:
Originally posted by Martha
I don't get why they're all acting like LaToya died and Jasmine pulled the trigger...I mean, what is up with Paula sitting there crying? LaToya will still get a recording contract, as will the remaining three.
Maybe they are crying over the death of the cash cow? How can anyone take this show seriously with the crap that is "winning" at this point?
Posted by: CatBurger00
Sigh.
Fantasia is going to be the American Idol, it really is no contest now, which is sad.
AI seriously needs to fix this crap by implementing a new voting system.
Posted by: TonyD79
Cat, don't be so sure. She did finished 3rd this week, right? And she was way down there at least twice before when they did the highest, lowest groupings.
I wouldn't be surprised if Diana DiGarmo wins (cheaper version of Kelly Clarkson, who I just don't think much of).
Posted by: bdowell
quote:
Originally posted by CatBurger00
Sigh.
Fantasia is going to be the American Idol, it really is no contest now, which is sad.
AI seriously needs to fix this crap by implementing a new voting system.
I disagree - I predict here and now that Diana will win.
Jasmine will get sent home next week, and Fantasia and Diana will compete against each other the following week.
Fantasia's "negatives" will keep her from winning against Diana who shouldn't win the contest but will.
Posted by: Turtleboy
quote:
Originally posted by CatBurger00
Sigh.
Fantasia is going to be the American Idol, it really is no contest now, which is sad.
AI seriously needs to fix this crap by implementing a new voting system.
If Fantasia won, that would be great. She deserves it.
America, get ready for the real possibility of Jasmine winning -- she has everything America wants in a pop star.
She's cute (she's much prettier than Diana), she's bland, and she can't sing very well.
So what? She can lip synch like Britney.
Posted by: LoadStar
Well... I know I'm going to get nailed for this one, and get accused of backing my favorite (by the way, you'd be wrong if you thought it was Jasmine) but... to say this is is "as big a mockery as Jon Peter Lewis and John Stevens" is going way overboard.
Face it - we're at a point where we had 4 very talented singers. Each has pluses and minuses, and it's up to the viewers, in their mind, to decide which singer has more pluses than minuses. You might disagree, but it doesn't make it a wrong choice.
Jasmine has a very good voice, and a LOT of potential. Perhaps not all that potential is fulfilled at this point, which could be a minus. And admittedly, she had a very rough night on Tuesday.
LaToya is a beautifully proficient singer, but I think it's a widely held opinion that there's something lacking from her performances that lets people really feel that she's expressing true emotions, and not just "going through the motions."
Fantasia - a lot of people say that they really feel those emotions when she sings, but she's different, and that could be a plus OR a minus depending who you talk to. She has a very nasally method of singing, which polarizes a lot of people - either you love it or you hate it.
And Diana has really improved in recent weeks, to the point that she's a very proficient singer. But she also has a tendency to be too saccharine for a lot of people's taste.
I'd say that this is the most interesting competition to watch so far at this point in the competition. Not so much the performances at this point, but it's interesting to watch the field get narrowed down, just because the contestants have such balanced pluses and minuses. Ruben and Clay was interesting from the same perspective, but that neck-and-neck competition didn't come until the last episode last year... and I'd say that in season 1, Kelly was clearly destined to win, even at this point in that season.
I don't disagree with the declaration that the voting should change. I really do think that it should be one vote per person (somehow). I also think that because of the voting method, with different phone queues for each contestant, we're going to have another Ruben-Clay 50/50 tossup. The phone lines will be flooded to the point that the only thing that will determine a winner is luck of the draw, which contestant manages to get those few extra votes through the flooded system.
But for now, you can vote as many times as you'd like for whatever contestant you want. There's no upper hand - it's not like all of Jasmine's fans have war dialers and LaToya's didn't... it just worked out that LaToya didn't get as many votes as Diana, Jasmine, or Fantasia did. That's the breaks, and we move on.
Posted by: TonyD79
Sorry, Load, Jasmine cannot keep on tune for more than 4 notes in a row. And this isn't a competition for a scholarship. This is a competition to put out a CD almost right away...and go on tour, etc.
If you are really a fan of Jasmine, you should want her OFF this show. This cannot be good for her.
And I love the "emotion" versus being GOOD argument (LaToya). That is crap. If you sing badly and screech, you are "emoting." I'll tell you, I feel Fantasia singing and what I feel after she is done is dirty.
Give me the best singer. Period. That person is gone.
You may like your singers flawed (if so, go listen watch the Disney Channel). I want my singers good and accurate.
Posted by: barrettd
I think the producers of AI absolutely LOVE being able to have Ryan say every week "we got 20 billion votes" or whatever, even at the cost of having a better voting system. If they only allowed one vote per number, or some other such system, the overall number of votes wouldn't be nearly as sexy each week.
BD
Posted by: TonyD79
Season Pass officially deleted.
Not gonna waste my disk space or my time on this mess.
Posted by: jeepair
The people voting should be the same people buying the CD's and going to the concerts. Doesn't matter if the "best" singer doesn't win. Look at last year.
Just wish Badtasia was gone tonight.
Posted by: TonyD79
Jeepair, a case could be made for any of the final three. Not so this year.
Posted by: LoadStar
Tony, I think I made a case for any of the final three... you might disagree, but the case was made.
Anyway, gotta love people getting all bent out of shape over a TV show. How was that line in the MST3K theme? Oh, yes... "... Just repeat to yourself 'It's just a show, I should really just relax...'" I don't even think that the TWoP forums were getting this upset... at least they weren't that I could tell before the board crashed. :)
Posted by: bdowell
quote:
Originally posted by LoadStar
Tony, I think I made a case for any of the final three... you might disagree, but the case was made.
Anyway, gotta love people getting all bent out of shape over a TV show. How was that line in the MST3K theme? Oh, yes... "... Just repeat to yourself 'It's just a show, I should really just relax...'" I don't even think that the TWoP forums were getting this upset... at least they weren't that I could tell before the board crashed. :)
You can try making a case for any of the group, but Jasmine does not belong there.
Diana may be ok, and may win, but she probably shouldn't have beaten out Latoya.
Honestly, this years contestants were weak relatively speaking. Jennifer Hudson was better than Jasmine by far, and at least equal to Diana (probably better).
The two Jon/John's both stunk - period.
Posted by: TonyD79
quote:
Originally posted by LoadStar
Tony, I think I made a case for any of the final three... you might disagree, but the case was made.
You did? When on Jasmine? When you said she had "potential?" For doing what, holding note for FIVE notes instead of four? She has a good raw voice but when she does four notes in tune, then six out then four in, that ain't singing.
None of them. NONE of them (including Fantasia who has had about three clinker songs so far) can hold LaToya's throat spray. She is damned good and almost perfect. For that, she is called "boring."
Guess she needed to be a gawky, scrawny guy with spikey hair (who was just about as perfect).
Edit to add: And, yes, it is only a TV show but, unlike the movies shown in MST3K, this is not fiction. Real people are competing here. Try to understand the difference.
Posted by: brott
Wow! That is all I can say. Jasmine certainly pulled in a lot of votes because of her tears. They were real, and that fact is what pulled them in. She did not deserve to be in the final three, but (as folks said for John) it's not her fault. For the crowd to boo her was simply wrong. Jasmine did not put herself in the final three, America did.
Tony, certainly if your favorite is not in, you have every right to stop watching. I might do the same, but I don't know whether I care or not either way. I enjoy watching the show. I did not vote for anyone last night, but if I did, I would have voted for Diana.
I have every reason to believe that Diana had the most votes, Jasmine second, Fantasia third and LaToya fourth. Certainly I have two right and there are very good odds that I have the other two right as well. It's too bad that Jasmine did not get voted off and she knows it too. It's not her fault though. It's also not the fault of the producers, because you KNOW that they want Fantasia and LaToya in the Final Two. Simon has backpedaled a little because he senses America's vote toward Diana. I really can't tell if he likes her performances or not.
Let there be no doubt, though. LaToya is absolutely the best singer this year on American Idol. Some of her performances needed help, but this is something that she can learn. Her voice is not her problem. Diana has certainly shown the most growth in the group and she is my favorite to win .. So, I guess I'll still be watching ;).
Posted by: spartanstew
I agree with Tony, my SP is deleted. LaToya was the only reason I was still watching it. This has been a very poor season overall. The quality of singing is nowhere near where it was last year. Any of the final 8 last year could have beaten the final 3 remaining this year. I watch to hear good singing. Fantasia is good, but LaToya was better and while I do agree with others that Diana had the best night on Tuesday, she's not the best singer. Think about it: Are these three the best vocalists in the country (not to be discovered)? I can go into any bar that does karoeke on a Saturday night and find someone that sings better than Jasmine and Diana. Any bar.
Stew
Posted by: genearch
Ok.. looks like a bunch of smart people here,
How would you revise the voting system?
Posted by: Oldandslow
I think the voting system works fine! I voted 20 times for Jasmine and my wife voted over 20 times for Diana. I voted for Jasmine because I will NOT be told who to vote for by the judges. My wife voted for Diana because she likes her and thinks she will be the next American Idol.
Besides, the judges were cruel to Jamine. They all know, as she does, that her performances have been weak. But to be cruel to her was uncalled for. It's called backlash. Keep being cruel to her, Simon, and she'll win.
I am sad that LaToya came up short in the voting. I never expected that. If I had, I would have voted 20 times for her, as I did the week before. It wouldn't have saved her but I would feel better about it. I thought it was Fantasia going home. I was hoping, anyway. LaToya will be OK. She'll have an album out soon as she's very good.
Posted by: Chandler Mike
Jasmine didn't bring in votes because of her tears, and she wont be going home next week.
She's from Hawaii, and the entire state is voting for her. Just look at baseball players like Ichiro Suzuki from Japan, and how he led the All-Star balloting in his first season in the Major Leagues...he got millions of votes from Japan.
She was arguably the worst of the final four, and the fact that the BEST one went home tonight turns the show into a joke.
I can't stand it this year. The last two seasons, the final two were probably the best two singers left (aside from maybe Tamyra in place of Justin in season 1).
But to have a girl like Jasmine who can't even hit every note in her songs is a joke.
George should be there right now over her.
Anyways, last time I watch this show this season.
Fantasia should win now, but I'll bet it's Jasmine who wins...
Mike
Posted by: faerie
If Jasmine wins American Idol, I will stop watching this show. She can not sing a single song without going off pitch repeatedly. Why people continue to vote for her, I do not understand. Shame on the people who voted for her because the judges spoke the truth. I hardly call the comments that they made as being cruel. The girl needs a TON more work before she can sing professionaly. LaToya did not deserve to go home, it should have been Jasmine. I understand people have different tastes and all, but Jasmine can not sing a song without going off pitch!! That's not taste, that's purely the mechanics of singing and she doesn't have it!
Posted by: appleye1
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Originally posted by Chandler Mike
Jasmine didn't bring in votes because of her tears, and she wont be going home next week.
She's from Hawaii, and the entire state is voting for her. Just look at baseball players like Ichiro Suzuki from Japan, and how he led the All-Star balloting in his first season in the Major Leagues...he got millions of votes from Japan.
Although I don't know whether this is 100% true or not, a poster claiming to be from Hawaii posted this on another board (source):
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However, as a resident of Hawaii (who happens to be a Latoya fan, BTW) I feel I must let the Hawaii-bashers know that Verizon Hawaii has reported that despite there being a record number of call "attempts" from Hawaii (over 5 million) during the 2 hour voting window Tuesday night, only 1.3 million calls/text messages actually got through to be counted as votes. All calls from Hawaii to the mainland--including ATT Wireless text messages--go through ONE cable. This "one-cable" situation frequently leads to an inability to reach the mainland by telephone on especially busy phone days, such as Mother's Day and other holidays.
So while some might disagree with the wisdom or desire of some Hawaii residents to try to cast over 5 million votes to keep Jasmine in the competition, only 1.3 million were actually cast. For her to still be in the running means that plenty of votes are being cast from elsewhere in America. Please don't blame only Hawaiian residents, okay? ;-)
I tend to agree with the poster. I'd bet there's a large contingent of stateside hormone-maxed teenaged boys who are voting to keep Jasmine in. The problem with this season is that the youngest performers made it so far. That's why John lasted an extra week (due to the counterpart contingent of hormone-maxed teenage girls!), and that's why Jasmine lasted. Unfortunately we lost two superior performers in the process.
The only way to correct this is to somehow get rid of the kid votes. I know that kids will hate this opinion, but the fact is that they just aren't voting rationally. With the current voting system though, there is no way to do that. Even if you found some way to limit everyone to one vote per person, I'm not sure if you'd get the "deserved vote" result that you want. The only way to resolve it is to remove the popular vote entirely and make it a judged competition.
But do we really want Simon, Paula, and Randy deciding who our American Idol is? Some people say we need an age minimum, but I can see kids lusting after 22 year olds as well, so I don't know if that's the answer. I think we're just going to have to accept it the way it is and get used to the vagaries that pop up.
The thing that really bugs me though is the perception that this is somehow racist. I know that someone (Elton John maybe?) is going to declare all Americans racist because of this. This despite the fact that the 50% of the last 4 contestants were black. This despite the fact that the winner of the last season was black. The voting system is probably flawed, but it is most definitely not racist.
Posted by: ced6
They need to bring in Shii-Devil as a guest host - "stupid, stupid people."
Well, I watched both last night's and tonight's show tonight, so needless to say I didn't vote - so I guess I'm partly to blame. I thought Fantasia and La Toya did great as usual (I guess I'm the only person who loves the song "Hero," oh well), though Fantasia definitely has more personality. I also begrudgingly thought that Diana did great (I still can't quite get that horrible off-tune Celine song she sang a while back off my mind, but it's slowly fading).
However, Jasmine made me wish I'd invested in a good set of ear plugs. I'm going to Hawaii in January and if that's what good singing is in Hawaii, I might have to avoid all the bars with live music (no offense, I'm sure there's plenty of people in Hawaii who can sing, or at least I hope). I can't believe she made it for another week.
Finally, I do have to agree with the post earlier about AI ruining the careers of people who come in first. Perhaps Diana should win (though not my personal favorite) because I bet the kind of songs they want AI winners to sing are better suited to her anyway (cheesy, unoriginal, etc.). I'll have to mull over this one for a while.
Posted by: TivoTracey
Personally, I think LaToya's attitude is what got her voted off. It was obvious that she didn't care whether or not she won as she "knew" she would have a career anyway. I mean she honestly didn't look too upset about leaving and I would guess was probably happy to be done with all the Idol b.s. so she could go start her career and stop having to perform like a stage monkey every week for the judges. That's just my 2 cents though...;)
Posted by: jeepair
It would be intresting to see the stats of state by state voting. I'm guessing alot of people voted from Hawaii, but that alone didn't put Jasmine over La Toya.
After Simon's comment on writing thank-you letters, Jasmine should have said who writes letters anymore. Heh.
Posted by: mask2343
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It's also not the fault of the producers, because you KNOW that they want Fantasia and LaToya in the Final Two.
Why would they want these 2 in the final four? They didn't even get the most votes? The system is perfect for them becaue the 2 who have been getting the most votes (most viewers) are going to be in the finals.
Personally, I'm not that upset about LaToya being gone. She's definitely the best singer, but not the best Pop Star. I'm just upset that we have to listen to Jasmine one more week. Unless she wears that black dress again, it's gonna be painful!
Posted by: Micky
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Jasmine certainly pulled in a lot of votes because of her tears.
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I voted for Jasmine because I will NOT be told who to vote for by the judges
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the judges were cruel to Jamine
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She's from Hawaii, and the entire state is voting for her
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I am sad that LaToya came up short in the voting. I never expected that. If I had, I would have voted 20 times for her
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I think LaToya's attitude is what got her voted off. It was obvious that she didn't care whether or not she won as she "knew" she would have a career anyway.
I believe all of the above where important factors.
Jasimine had sympathy, anger at the judges, and some block voting on her side.
LaToya had indifference due to everyone assuming she was safe and her apparent not caring if she won.
Together, these factors led to the result we saw.
I think it's been a very identifiable phenomenon since AI 1 – the best contestant gets less votes because many voters don’t think they need them and the worst gets more because many voters “rally to the cause”
By the way, I found this comment laughable:
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Even if you found some way to limit everyone to one vote per person, I'm not sure if you'd get the "deserved vote" result that you want.
I think it’s pretty obvious from this site and many others that it will never be clear who “deserves” the vote – it’s entertainment, it’s subjective, there is no right or wrong answer. All this poster is saying that if America doesn’t vote the way he/she feels, then the system must be flawed and fixed – ridiculous.
Also highly doubt this:
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I'd bet there's a large contingent of stateside hormone-maxed teenaged boys who are voting to keep Jasmine in
I don’t think that many teenage boys watch the show – pre-teens maybe.
Posted by: doom1701
I'm surprised by how many people actually think this is a serious TV show...it's reality TV, where people are kicked off each week primarily by the votes of teenagers. The show is searching for the next Britney, and still everyone is upset when the best "artist" doesn't get through. :rolleyes:
Anyway, I'm gonna stand by my predictions. Diana will win. The final two will be determined by next week's song style--if it's something that Fantasia can pull off, she's in. Otherwise, it's up in the air.
Jasmine will have a backlash next week to overcome, though. Lots of angry people will be voting for Fantasia just out of spite. If she can do a good job (yeah, right), she might break through.
Posted by: mask2343
Yeah, I'm confused about all this teenager talk too. Everytime I talk to a teenager 15-19, they make fun of the show. They're usually "too cool" to watch it. I can see 12-14 year olds loving it and voting a bunch. But I think the majority of votes come from middle aged women who have kids who watch with them. "Clay voters" I call them.
Posted by: NJChris
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Originally posted by doom1701
Jasmine will have a backlash next week to overcome, though. Lots of angry people will be voting for Fantasia just out of spite. If she can do a good job (yeah, right), she might break through.
That almost doesn't make sense. Backlash from angry people THAT VOTED FOR HER THIS WEEK????
Hey I heard a rumor that Clay's appearance was in question and that's why it wasn't mentioned on Tuesday's show. Supposedly his 1 year is up (or just about) with 19. And he is not renewing with them.
Posted by: doom1701
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Originally posted by mask2343
Yeah, I'm confused about all this teenager talk too. Everytime I talk to a teenager 15-19, they make fun of the show. They're usually "too cool" to watch it. I can see 12-14 year olds loving it and voting a bunch. But I think the majority of votes come from middle aged women who have kids who watch with them. "Clay voters" I call them.
Maybe the demographic should be listed as "Early teens, horny old guys, and lonely old women." :D
Posted by: bigcb37
I think you can fix the voting by calling in to vote a contestant OFF. This would definitely work when there are more then 2 remaining singers. Also, start charging for the calls 99cents a call would stop all those auto dialer people. Plus they could make even more money out of the franchise.
I think they secretly want to guage who the idiots are that will sit there and call over and over again. Those are the people that will buy more CDs apparel, merchandise etc...not the casual observer (like me) who will watch, judge, and not call in. Get the obsesive fans into the stores!
Thats why the AI winners always top the charts...not bc of the music.
Posted by: brott
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Originally posted by brott
It's also not the fault of the producers, because you KNOW that they want Fantasia and LaToya in the Final Two.
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Originally posted by mask2343
[B]Why would they want these 2 in the final four? They didn't even get the most votes? The system is perfect for them becaue the 2 who have been getting the most votes (most viewers) are going to be in the finals. /B]
Admittedly, my comments are a bit presumptive. However, the Judges steering and rights comments earlier in the season ("America, Vote for the Talent") are good evidence that the Producers are not particularly thrilled with the turn of events. This AI phenomenon is not dead yet, so yes, the Producers are laughing all the way to the bank.
Personally, I'll keep watching. I wanna know what happens. It is just TV and this was simply an unfortunate turn of events.
Posted by: JEbbesen
Wow - my 1 1/2 cents:
Jasmine - I enjoyed her songs yesterday, her performance was much better than LoToya's. Her singing wasn't as good but is it all about the voice or the performance? I had the correct two (Diana & Jasmine) but I thought (hoped?) that Fantasia was gone; her voice really really grates on me. My wife was 100% opposite in her thoughts.
My thought on LoToya was that she sounded as good in her audition as she did yesterday, her second song was 100% dead on. She showed no improvement or advancement throughout the series and portrayed little or no emotion in her performances. She’ll do fine, I think she had the best voice in the group. But again, is it all about the voice?
I like Diana, thought she has up the ante each week, more or less. Some of her outfits make her look a tad chunky but that could be my TV.
A lot had to do with the songs they picked, sometimes I wonder what they are thinking when they sing some of their picks.
I hope Fantasia is Bye Bye next week.
BTW, I fall into the 45-55 yrs old “horny old guy” demographic.
Posted by: TomK
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Originally posted by Oldandslow
...I voted for Jasmine because I will NOT be told who to vote for by the judges.
Then let your ears tell you!
Posted by: Frylock
Why do some get it, and some don't? This is NOT A SIGNING COMPETITION. This is a business. The people who get the most votes are the people who are likely to get their records bought. Being a better singer doesn't make you a better pop star. Winning this thing is about being marketable. That's what the show is looking for, not to find some undiscovered talent.
What's sad is that even though the more talented are voted off and can go sign a contract, they so far have yet to really make an impact. Look at AI1 and 2. Kelly Clarkson is still around, but Guarini is gone. Ruben and Clay are still around, and the others from the top 5 or whatever are making albums, but they aren't really getting bought...
Posted by: Redleg
Yeah, the best singer might not win this competition. Regardless, you will soon be able to buy albums from both La Toya and Fantasia. They are too good and too visible to pass up. So ultimately it doesn't make that much difference.
That's what I tell myself after that mess last night!
Posted by: Gunnyman2k3
I also think charging 99 cents a call to vote would solve alot of problems. Give the 99 cents to the top vote getter's favorite charity each week.
Posted by: johnspalm
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Originally posted by genearch
How would you revise the voting system?
1) Eliminate the multiple-votes-per-person crap.
2) Ensure of 1) with a American Idol Voting Registry. This would
be a free registry. This could be done online or via phone.
The logistics of using some sort of ID code would have to be worked
out. The show has enough popularity where getting enough people to register
would not be a problem. And, it would only need to be done once per season.
3) Change the voting to be "that person whom you wish to eliminate"
Sound good?
Posted by: Micky
Does anybody know how they handle the time zone differences for the voting windows?
Here is how the windows look to me:
8 ET / 7 CT / 6 MT / 5 PT / 3 HT – live show starts (Broadcast in Eastern and Central Time Zones)
9 ET / 8 CT / 7 MT / 6 PT / 4 HT – Voting lines open (presumably for ET and CT viewers)
12 ET / 11 CT / 10 MT / 9 PT / 7 HT – First three hour voting window ends
11 ET / 10 CT / 9 MT / 8 PT / 6 HT – Delayed broadcast begins in MT and PT
12 ET / 11 CT / 10 MT / 9 PT / 7 HT – Voting lines open (presumably for MT and PT viewers)
3 ET / 2 CT / 1 MT / 12 PT / 10 HT – Second three hour voting window ends
1 ET / 12 CT / 11 MT / 10 PT / 8 HT – Delayed broadcast begins in HT
2 ET / 1 CT / 12 MT / 11 PT / 9 HT – Voting lines open (presumably for HT voters)
5 ET / 4 CT / 3 MT / 2 PT / 12 HT – Third three hour voting window ends
It looks like to me, there are phone numbers (maybe not the same ones the whole time) available to call for 8 hours (9 pm till 5 am on east coast, 4 pm till midnight in Hawaii)
Savvy voters could vote for much more than three hours, and in Hawaii they don’t even have to stay up that late to do so.
Posted by: aindik
Does anyone know when Prime Time TV shows air in Hawaii? Do they air the same time they air in the Pacific time zone (8 Pacific, 5 Hawaii time), or do they air at 8 local time (11 Pacific, 2 a.m. Eastern)? If they air at 8 local time, then they have the phone lines to themselves, as the polls close on the West Coast at 11 Pacific, or 8 Hawaian time. This could mean that a larger proportion of potential Jasmine voters got through than potential voters for the other three.
Edit: Doh - took too long to post this and got beat....
Posted by: LlamaLarry
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Originally posted by genearch
How would you revise the voting system?
Vote for people to kick off rather than people to keep.
Also on the Hawaii thing, does this mean that all the afternoon drive shows are running on stop remining people to call in to save their gal (particularly when they already know how poorly she fared from the CONUS viewings)? I guess same thing could be said for west coasters though.
Posted by: keirgrey
You know, even if Jasmine wins, Simon won't promote her. He has a history of that. He'll fulfill the obligations of his contract, but leave the album to flounder. I believe I read that about the second season of Pop Idol in Britain, he thought the second place winner should have won, so he promoted that performer's CD rather than the winners.
Posted by: Micky
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Also on the Hawaii thing, does this mean that all the afternoon drive shows are running on stop remining people to call in to save their gal (particularly when they already know how poorly she fared from the COMUS viewings)? I guess same thing could be said for west coasters though.
Sounds about right to me.
With satellite TV and the internet, I don’t see how they could stop people in the Mountain, Pacific and Hawaiian time zones from knowing what happened (the order of the performers, the numbers to call, how well they did) before the show airs in their time zone.
If you know the number, there can’t be anyway of stopping you from calling it.
I’d guess Hawaiians can call from 4 pm till midnight.
That said, I still think indifference for LaToya because everyone knew she was the best singer and wouldn’t need their vote and sympathy for Jasmine were bigger factors than Hawaii block voting.
Posted by: bdowell
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Originally posted by bigcb37
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I think they secretly want to guage who the idiots are that will sit there and call over and over again. Those are the people that will buy more CDs apparel, merchandise etc...not the casual observer (like me) who will watch, judge, and not call in. Get the obsesive fans into the stores!
Thats why the AI winners always top the charts...not bc of the music.
That is not entirely true.
Look at Justin Guarini (sp?) from the first season. His record, and later the movie with Kelly Clarkson flopped majorly, yet he got hordes of votes in the first season, even to the point of knocking out Tamyra Gray, who had been looked at as the first "been done wrong" by American Idol voters.
The voters have seen through the joke that the voting process is, and they made every effort to show the producers of the show how screwed up the process is by voting for people that really shouldn't be there.
I previously had commented similarly about charging for votes (see old threads, I had suggested that they take the money they get for the calls and put it into music and arts educations scholarships and such in schools).
Personal opinions on what would fix the show:
1. charge for the calls and donate the proceeds to music and arts education programs for K-12 schools.
2. limit online voting if any is allowed. 5 votes per e-mail address.
3. announce vote totals each week
4. require voters to actually confirm who they are voting for (press additional buttons on the phone voting, respond to e-mail on the e-mail/online voting)
5. allow voters to vote for contestants *and* against contestants. Give 2 points for positive votes and -1 for negative votes if you want. That would give the voters a chance to rack up high negatives against people they don't want to keep around, but at the same time give voters that really want someone to stay a chance to compete against the negative voting.
6. get rid of the judges once the field is narrowed down to 12. The judges comments are not helping the situation and in fact they are getting sympathy votes for people that they trash. Let the fans decide and keep the judges out of it.
7. make all contestants sing the same songs. Yes it will get boring hearing the same tune sung all nite long, but lets be fair, make them all sing the same tune and then we can really compare apples to apples.
There's a bunch more that could be done, but is enough of a list to start.
Posted by: JFriday
So do people really think that Hawaii which has about 30X less people than California actually scewed the voting enough that Jasmine could beat LaToya who is from California?
For what it's worth I have East coast feeds and my wife has tried to vote after the east coast airing. The call will not go through from the west coast until the west coast broadcast.
Posted by: scottjf8
I didn't vote this week (cuz I forgot) but last week I did vote (many times) for Jasmine - she was much better than George and I wanted to give her suppot..
This week I would have done the same, since my wife and I can't STAND Fantasia - she sounds like a gospel singer with strep throat - not quite our style...
Also, Jasmine in that black dress.. yum!
Posted by: barrettd
Let's don't forget Nikki McKibbin from AI1, possibly one of the worst singers ever in the Top 12, made it to the final 3. After she beat Tamyra out of a top 3 spot, there was outrage over the voting, and how it should be changed, etc. but nothing happened.
As I said before, the producers want to be able to say they got a billion votes overnight. If we voted against performers rather than for them, the numbers would probably not even be half what they are now. Same goes for limiting calls, charging for calls, etc. It's all about the number of votes, to the producers. It's a big stat they can promote.
BD
Posted by: Micky
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the producers want to be able to say they got a billion votes overnight
True, plus I doubt they care who wins, AND, I doubt they mind controversy. Controversy = publicity = free advertising.
I think they prefer this season’s unexpected results – it’s made the results shows a lot less predictable.
Posted by: Micky
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For what it's worth I have East coast feeds and my wife has tried to vote after the east coast airing. The call will not go through from the west coast until the west coast broadcast.
Thanks for the info. I guess they can block access to the 866 numbers by the originating area code?
All this time zone stuff may be a red herring (which I’ve helped propagate :o )
Posted by: Cabby
Charge people for voting?! Yeah....... that'll work. Then we'll see some real outrage from parents with $1000+ phone bills.
I can see it now, Ryan says "Now, make sure you have your parents permission.... and then vote as many times as you want MUHAHAHA!!!"
Voting to kick people off will have the same exact problem they have now.
1 vote per phone # is the solution, but as someone said before, they wont be able to annouce "20 million votes this week!", and let's face it, how much do the producers really care. It's drama and that equals ratings.
Posted by: Frylock
That's what I don't get about people calling for the voting to be redone. The fact that you can vote multiple times is clearly causing people to do so. And as long as they do so, they much be watching the show.
It's about getting viewers and selling music. It's not about finding singing talent.
Posted by: DeDondeEs
As said in a previous post I agree that LaToya really didn't care if she got voted off or not, because she knows she will do well with or without this show. If Latoya puts out an album it will bury any album put out by the three remaining Idols and I venture to say any of the previous idols including Clay.
Also I am counting down to when Paula completely loses it. She is a train wreck, I hope she is getting help....
Posted by: Todd
As an Olive Garden fan (and I have no idea what this has to do with anything TB...), I definately think LaToya sould have won hands down. I'd love to know what the percentages were last night. Personally, I don't think Jasmine is that bad and frankly I prefer her to Fantasia. It's starting to look like Diana might win this thing though....
Posted by: vman
It's interesting what someone said earlier about Simon not promoting Jasmine if she wins. I was wondering if he would start changing his tune about her next week and praising her performance if it appears likely she could win and he is stuck promoting her.
Posted by: TivoLady2004
Be happy for La Toya - she'll get much more publicity this way and probably produce a better album. Strange how everyone has been saying since the start how similar she is to Tamyra and now she has even left at the same time.
In terms of the voting... Nashville Star (on USA, it is just like AI except for country music) has a voting system in place that allows you to vote online - only at the end of the show and it limits you 10 votes per computer.
Nashville star is also better because the contestants play instruments, often perform their own music, do charity events instead of promos for products, the judges select the entire top 12 except for 1, for the first couple of weeks the judges vote off one person and the audience dismisses one (based on who gets the fewest votes), etc.
Of course you have to like country music to appreciate anything about Nashville star, but AI could adopt some of the policies.
Posted by: dumbunny
It's the judges' fault that Jasmine wasn't in the bottom two. They acknowledge the sympathy/underdog factor, but they don't seem to realize how instrumental they are in creating it. Instead, they lambaste a performer on Tuesday and then complain about the results on Wednesday. How stupid is that?
If Simon is particularly harsh in his criticism, both Paula and Randy need to find something good to say about the performance. They should never make America feel that a performer was treated unfairly.
Posted by: FourFourSeven
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Originally posted by bigcb37
I think you can fix the voting by calling in to vote a contestant OFF.
Gotta disagree with you on this one. If people called to vote a contestant off, you'd lose all the "interesting" people early. Judging by this board, Fantasia, for example, has a large contingent of people who can't stand her. She'd go super early with a method like this.
My suggestions - not perfect, but what can you do:
1) Limit number of votes from each phone number - cuts down on block voting
2) Have one phone number to call (then press 1 for Latoya, 2 for Diana, etc.) Eliminates "phone overload causes super-close vote" issue
3) Here's the big one. Once the competition gets down to two contestants, have a "second chance week!" The five most recently voted off contestants come back for a week, with the person with the most votes re-entering the competition. In addition to bringing back the most "wronged" contestant, you'd add another two weeks of AI, more advertising revenue, etc.
Posted by: Oldandslow
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Originally posted by vman
It's interesting what someone said earlier about Simon not promoting Jasmine if she wins. I was wondering if he would start changing his tune about her next week and praising her performance if it appears likely she could win and he is stuck promoting her.
Of course he would--he's an ass! If anyone hasn't caught on yet--he's the reason Jasmine is still around. If the judges want to "steer" the voters, and they do, they need to promote the positives in the performer's performance. When they "go negative", backlash! You can hear the booing in the audience. Then the audience booed when Jasmine was "safe". That tells me that most people didn't like the way the judges treated Jasmine but they still thought she should have gone home. It's pretty simple, really.
As others have said--It's not about the singing--It's about who the voters want to be "The American Idol". It WILL be Diana.
On another note--Clay sounded awful to me last evening. I don't know if it was the song or he's just "sung out".
Posted by: WinBear
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Originally posted by JFriday
For what it's worth I have East coast feeds and my wife has tried to vote after the east coast airing. The call will not go through from the west coast until the west coast broadcast.
I noticed this a couple of weeks ago. This is a new feature. I used to be able to call during the "west coast" call times since I was watching delayed on TiVo, but now I can't get through once west coast voting is opened up.
Posted by: KevinG
I'm surprised no one has brought up the widespread agreement among those who are interested in changing the voting for next year. They have all agreed to band together to vote for Jasmine. This came about when Jennifer was offed. The idea is that letting Jasmine win will send a clear message that the voting is "broken." Seems like a good idea to me.
Posted by: Beancounter25
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My suggestions - not perfect, but what can you do:
1) Limit number of votes from each phone number - cuts down on block voting
2) Have one phone number to call (then press 1 for Latoya, 2 for Diana, etc.) Eliminates "phone overload causes super-close vote" issue
3) Here's the big one. Once the competition gets down to two contestants, have a "second chance week!" The five most recently voted off contestants come back for a week, with the person with the most votes re-entering the competition. In addition to bringing back the most "wronged" contestant, you'd add another two weeks of AI, more advertising revenue, etc. [/B]
These are all very interesting. I hadn't thought about the fact that the phone lines get overloaded, and thus every contestant gets almost exactly as many votes as the system can handle for each line. And I love the second chance idea, except how much do you want to bet that John Stephens might be the one to come back this time? In theory, though, it's great, although it would reduce the drama of evictions 3-7.
Posted by: drjlb
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Originally posted by FourFourSeven
In addition to bringing back the most "wronged" contestant, you'd add another two weeks of AI, more advertising revenue, etc.
Oh no, not more.
Posted by: jschuman
As far as the jammed phone line thing, why don't they start allocating more lines to each contestant? I.e., if you like Fantasia vote 1 or 2, Jasmine 3 or 4, LaToya 5 or 6, Diana 7 or 8.
Heck, when they get to only 2 contestants left they can let you vote for A on 1 through 5 and B on 6 through 10.
Of course, maybe they believe that the viewing public is too stupid to keep that straight. (They're probably correct)
Posted by: ourdoc
First off, AI is normally shown at 7 PM HST. Secondly, since season 1, you can't vote from Hawaii until 8 PM. It won't go through until then. And there is no way Hawaii votes skewed the results that much. For instance, as per the 2002 census, there are about 1.25 million people living in Hawaii. The census shows that there are about 35.1 million people in California alone, and 293 million people in the U.S. There is no way 1.2 million people can out vote 35.1 million people much less 293 million people. So you can't blame it on Hawaii. IMHO, LaToya was the best singer on the show.
Posted by: Martha
I also thought LaToya was the best singer - I actually tried to call about 10-12 times and got a busy signal, so I gave up and went to bed....I think the idea of voting for Jasmine en masse in order to change the system is pretty funny. Yes, Jasmine was not at her best this week, but she's still in the top 4 - so there are obviously a lot of people who really like her. I'm joining the Olive Garden crowd and voting for her if I can get through....I like their breadsticks!
Posted by: 4score
I think a lot of people didn't vote for LaToya because they figured she's going to get enough votes....and since it's so hard to get through, they vote for that one person they still like as a top 3 who they think needs help to stay in.
What can be done? Since some contestants "steal" votes from one another, why not vote for the one who needs to leave?
Posted by: brott
I've got it! Keep the voting and the format EXACTLY the way it is with one exception. Add one more phone number (per contestant) to take votes AWAY. This allows the block voters to do their thing and the "I hate that singer" voters to also.
Posted by: TonyD79
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Originally posted by JEbbesen
My thought on LoToya was that she sounded as good in her audition as she did yesterday, her second song was 100% dead on. She showed no improvement or advancement throughout the series and portrayed little or no emotion in her performances. [/B]
Wait, she was 100% on in her performance and she was just as good during her audition yet you criticize her for not improving? How do you improve if you are damned good?
Maybe she shoud sandbag and sound crappy then improve????
As for other posts (not gonna quote them all):
- Hawaii would band together to vote for a favorite son (daughter); California wouldn't. It is a "small town (state)" thing that Cali just doesn't have.
- Utter nonsense that the voters are the ones who buy the albums. I have many friends who bought the albums but never voted. Voting is a computer-geek/text message geek thing to a large degree. Translation: pre-teens. BTW, where the heck is ANYONE from AI Season 1???? Even Kelly Clarkson has pretty much disappeared.
- If folks are voting because of "sympathy" they are idiots. First, subjecting Jasmine to more ridicule is just plain cruel. If you feel bad for her, hope she goes home and is happy, not being booed by the audience and roasted alive by Simon and company. Second, how the heck does that determine an American Idol???? Let's bring back Mr. Hung, then!
- Yeah, LaToya didn't care. Um, that would be acting classy. Sure, fall for Fantasia's crocodile tears for everyone who leaves the show and for her emotional ploy. Sure, don't appreciate someone who actually wins and losses with a class (at least a classy facade; I cannot say I know anything about her other than what is shown). We don't want good winners and losers, just raw emotion. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Many of these may be causes for the results so far but the do not justify the results.
Posted by: ourdoc
quote:
Originally posted by TonyD79
Hawaii would band together to vote for a favorite son (daughter); California wouldn't. It is a "small town (state)" thing that Cali just doesn't have.
From Verizon...
"New York and California logged more calls on its network than Hawaii after the show, a Verizon spokesman said Thursday. California and New York are among the most populous states in the nation; Hawaii is among the least."
Not to mention, many parts of California do have that small town thing, with more population than here.
Posted by: ThomasDrew
quote:
Originally posted by vman
It's interesting what someone said earlier about Simon not promoting Jasmine if she wins. I was wondering if he would start changing his tune about her next week and praising her performance if it appears likely she could win and he is stuck promoting her.
If Simon feels that the winner isn't capable of "moving product" then it's well within his right to merely fufill his minimum contractional obligations and move on.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Simon's management group held much, if not all of the power over the winners. Look at Justin Guarini...RCA bailed on him as soon as it appeared that his record would tank...well, that, and of course, some negative P.R. from his troubles with the law.
The thing is....I think Jasmine has potential and *could* very well be the next Mandy Moore, Stacie Orrico, Jessica Simpson, etc...She has that sweet and innocent appeal with a sexy edge that seems to work in today's marketplace. In addition, her ambigiuous ethnicity is a huge plus. As it stands today though, I see her as a MAJOR work in progress with a LOT of hard work ahead of her if she wants to realize some of that untapped ability.
Posted by: ourdoc
quote:
Originally posted by Micky
Does anybody know how they handle the time zone differences for the voting windows?
Here is how the windows look to me:
8 ET / 7 CT / 6 MT / 5 PT / 3 HT – live show starts (Broadcast in Eastern and Central Time Zones)
Just FYI, Hawaii does not participate in DST, so right now there is a 6 hour difference between EST and HST... And, instead of how it was when I lived on the west coast and east coast, in Hawaii, the prime-time is 7-10 instead of 8-11. It took a while when I first moved here to get used to a 10 PM news instead of 11 PM.
Posted by: SchlockeyDoo
I'm with Tony. My season pass to this mockery of a competition has been deleted. Latoya's consistently outstanding performances were the only reason I continued to watch the show. Now that America's teeny-bopper voters have seen fit to send her packing, I see no reason to suffer through listening to the other performances.
I will say this, though. At least AI provided the opportunity for a talented singer like Latoya to get some exposure. I've no doubt she will get a record deal as a result and will be very successful. I wish her luck.
Posted by: Cabby
quote:
Originally posted by TonyD79
Wait, she was 100% on in her performance and she was just as good during her audition yet you criticize her for not improving? How do you improve if you are damned good?
Maybe she shoud sandbag and sound crappy then improve????
As for other posts (not gonna quote them all):
- Hawaii would band together to vote for a favorite son (daughter); California wouldn't. It is a "small town (state)" thing that Cali just doesn't have.
- Utter nonsense that the voters are the ones who buy the albums. I have many friends who bought the albums but never voted. Voting is a computer-geek/text message geek thing to a large degree. Translation: pre-teens. BTW, where the heck is ANYONE from AI Season 1???? Even Kelly Clarkson has pretty much disappeared.
- If folks are voting because of "sympathy" they are idiots. First, subjecting Jasmine to more ridicule is just plain cruel. If you feel bad for her, hope she goes home and is happy, not being booed by the audience and roasted alive by Simon and company. Second, how the heck does that determine an American Idol???? Let's bring back Mr. Hung, then!
- Yeah, LaToya didn't care. Um, that would be acting classy. Sure, fall for Fantasia's crocodile tears for everyone who leaves the show and for her emotional ploy. Sure, don't appreciate someone who actually wins and losses with a class (at least a classy facade; I cannot say I know anything about her other than what is shown). We don't want good winners and losers, just raw emotion. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Many of these may be causes for the results so far but the do not justify the results.
You need to chill out dude, its a TV show.
Posted by: John Kador
quote:
Originally posted by TonyD79
[B]Wait, she was 100% on in her performance and she was just as good during her audition yet you criticize her for not improving? How do you improve if you are damned good?
Ummm...one problem with this comment...they never showed La Toya during the auditions. Gloria Estefan was full of crap when she mentioned seeing La Toya during auditions.
Posted by: JEbbesen
they showed her audition for a moment after she was booted Wednesday. The judges looked very happy with her performance.
Posted by: jhausmann
quote:
Originally posted by bdowell
That is not entirely true.
Look at Justin Guarini (sp?) from the first season. His record, and later the movie with Kelly Clarkson flopped majorly, yet he got hordes of votes in the first season, even to the point of knocking out Tamyra Gray, who had been looked at as the first "been done wrong" by American Idol voters.
The voters have seen through the joke that the voting process is, and they made every effort to show the producers of the show how screwed up the process is by voting for people that really shouldn't be there.
I previously had commented similarly about charging for votes (see old threads, I had suggested that they take the money they get for the calls and put it into music and arts educations scholarships and such in schools).
Personal opinions on what would fix the show:
1. charge for the calls and donate the proceeds to music and arts education programs for K-12 schools.
2. limit online voting if any is allowed. 5 votes per e-mail address.
3. announce vote totals each week
4. require voters to actually confirm who they are voting for (press additional buttons on the phone voting, respond to e-mail on the e-mail/online voting)
5. allow voters to vote for contestants *and* against contestants. Give 2 points for positive votes and -1 for negative votes if you want. That would give the voters a chance to rack up high negatives against people they don't want to keep around, but at the same time give voters that really want someone to stay a chance to compete against the negative voting.
6. get rid of the judges once the field is narrowed down to 12. The judges comments are not helping the situation and in fact they are getting sympathy votes for people that they trash. Let the fans decide and keep the judges out of it.
7. make all contestants sing the same songs. Yes it will get boring hearing the same tune sung all nite long, but lets be fair, make them all sing the same tune and then we can really compare apples to apples.
There's a bunch more that could be done, but is enough of a list to start.
8. Have the judges select the 3 people to be voted on for eviction...
Posted by: vman
quote:
Originally posted by TonyD79
BTW, where the heck is ANYONE from AI Season 1???? Even Kelly Clarkson has pretty much disappeared.
Kelly was on earlier this season, as was Tamyra Gray just a few weeks ago.
Posted by: mask2343
And you can see Justin Guarini on reruns of the Simpsons! :)
Posted by: LoadStar
Kelly's still on tour supporting her first album. She's touring with Clay, in support of his first album. Kelly's reportedly heading back to the studio very soon to start on her second album.
Posted by: mask2343
Also, RJ Helton has a CD out which surprises the heck out of me.
Posted by: barrettd
quote:
8. Have the judges select the 3 people to be voted on for eviction...
After this season, I don't trust the judges as far as I can throw them. The Roman twins, John Stevens, Leah Labelle, Camille Velasco, etc. So the public doesn't get it right. The voting public absolutely deserves whoever wins.
BD
Posted by: WinBear
quote:
Originally posted by mask2343
Also, RJ Helton has a CD out which surprises the heck out of me.
Even more surprising to me is that it's a contemporary Christian CD.
Jim Verraros, the openly gay contestant from AI1, also has a CD, "Unsaid and
Understood," out on an independent label and has been nominated for an OutMusic award for Outstandng New Recording, Debut Male. http://www.outmusic.org/oma2004/subm/md_jv/index.html
Posted by: ThomasDrew
quote:
Originally posted by barrettd
After this season, I don't trust the judges as far as I can throw them. The Roman twins, John Stevens, Leah Labelle, Camille Velasco, etc. So the public doesn't get it right. The voting public absolutely deserves whoever wins.
BD
While the public's partially to blame, let's face it, the picking were definitely slim this season. Talent may play a role, but it appears that one must be lucky in many aspects to end up in the top 32 and make it to Hollywood. I doubt we really get to see the best 12 vocalists in the country.
Here are a few contestants that I believe should have been in the top 12. Why they weren't, I have no idea. (No particular order)
1) Scooter Girl
2) That black girl who Paula ripped for being disrespectful
3) Lisa Leuschner
4) The "fifties" style black girl...quite pretty...Simon said she came across as old.
I definitely think that the guys (Stevens, Lewis, Huff, Rogers) were thrown in the mix because of the lack of male contestants. Frankly, I don't care if they're all girls, all white, all black, all gay...whatever...just give me the best 12 candidates and let ME decide if I feel like watching.
..and for the record, the Roman twins were absolutely dreadful...atrociously bad.
Posted by: Turtleboy
quote:
Originally posted by WinBear
Jim Verraros, the openly gay contestant from AI1, also has a CD, "Unsaid and Understood," out on an independent label and has been nominated for an OutMusic award for Outstandng New Recording, Debut Male. http://www.outmusic.org/oma2004/subm/md_jv/index.html
Was he openly gay when he was on the show, or only after he was kicked off?
Posted by: barrettd
I don't think Jim was any more openly gay than any of the other male contestants while on AI1. I have no confirmation on anyone but Jim, but each of the men seemed quite feminine during their stints on the show. Jim came out after the show, I think.
I can't imagine that an album of his would win or be nominated for an award for any other reason than him drawing whatever attention he drew to gay issues. That boy could not sing.
BD
Posted by: murgatroyd
quote:
Originally posted by jschuman
As far as the jammed phone line thing, why don't they start allocating more lines to each contestant? I.e., if you like Fantasia vote 1 or 2, Jasmine 3 or 4, LaToya 5 or 6, Diana 7 or 8.
Heck, when they get to only 2 contestants left they can let you vote for A on 1 through 5 and B on 6 through 10.
Of course, maybe they believe that the viewing public is too stupid to keep that straight. (They're probably correct)
No, you don't need to announce the five different numbers for each contestant at that last stage. You do it behind the scenes by setting up a 'hunt group' where if line 1 is busy it rolls over to line 2 and so forth.
Jan
Posted by: brott
quote:
Originally posted by barrettd
... The Roman twins ...
I think that they were just brothers and not twins, but still point taken.
Posted by: cpalma
What's left to say. LaToya was robbed, Jasmine may or may not continue on.
However, we all know, while Jasmine cannot sustain the notes when she sings live, when and if she gets a recording contract, she will sound just fine! Who says you have to be able to sing to be successful. Look at Britney Spears??? She doesn't even sing live at her concerts!!
I'm still rooting for Fantasia. She's the most polished contestant remaining. [of course, JMO]
Posted by: sakura panda
I was a LaToya fan at the beginning, and I often complained to my husband that the judges never gave her anything to work on -- so as the competition went on, everyone else improved and she stayed the same. Then, at the very end, Simon mentions that he hasn't learned much about her through her performances -- why didn't he say so earlier and she could have tried to work on that?
This week was the first week that she wasn't my first choice. (I don't vote, by the way. I watch both episodes after the results show.) I think a few suggestions along the way (instead of just the short praises that she was getting) could have helped her out.
--Katie
Posted by: etexlady
I'm gonna watch even though LaToya was my favorite. I want to see the end of this train wreck. I'm wondering if the audience will boo Jasmine tonight. If so, I expect she'll cry and end up as one of the final two no matter if her performance merits it or not. I'm also curious what the judges, etc. will say about last week. I don't expect them to say much, if anything, FOX certainly has not responded to the criticism regarding the voting methods. They are probably laughing all the way to the bank.
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