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Alias 5/23 Finale SPOILERS!!
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Posted by: jwjody

OK, what exactly did she find? Is that saying that Jack's the head of the Covenant? Or one of the heads?

All I saw about it was that she was a top secret project dating back to 1975...or 78. But didn't they pursue that in S1 or S2? Her dad was part of some kind of project that tested kids aptitude to be spies. Now all I got out of this was that her half-sis was maybe part of the project if you can put stock into what Lauren said.

But I guess it begs the question is Jack in with the other Derevko sister? Is Jack in with Sloane? Or is Sloane still independent? And is Sloane evil or just rogue? So many questions!!

J

Posted by: landrumdh

Asked in the preepisode thread but I'm asking here also.

Our cable is fuxord plus weather warning over rode a good 5+ minutes!!

Can somebody mail me a copy of this ep on DVD?

PM me if interested.

Posted by: Incognito

"This is the Truth! ... SUCKS, doesn't it!!!"

Classic line!

"A good 5 minutes" of thee beginning or end?

The point was to keep us guessing ... but I automatically thought of the "kids testing project" too ... I don't think Jack is Covenant ... the corner of the folder said CIA ... I think this has something to do with the TRUST ... who will be our "villain" organization next season <probably> and Sloane & Sis still out there causing trouble!

Posted by: jwjody

quote:
Originally posted by Incognito
"This is the Truth! ... SUCKS, doesn't it!!!"

Classic line!

"A good 5 minutes" of thee beginning or end?

The point was to keep us guessing ... but I automatically thought of the "kids testing project" too ... I don't think Jack is Covenant ... the corner of the folder said CIA ... I think this has something to do with the TRUST ... who will be our "villain" organization next season <probably> and Sloane & Sis still out there causing trouble!

I know anything's possible with this show but I can't see how it's the Trust since Jack had to use his contacts to even find out about them when he was trying to substantiate Sloane's story that he was working with Senator Reed.

It never said who's in charge of the Covenant.

J

Posted by: cwoody222

Kinda upset we didn't get any Rombaldi closure on this episode.

I saw the Jack thing coming... if only becuase it was the most obvious person to betray her. Lauren (not that she can be believed) hinted that it was more about Spy Mommy. Has Spy Mommy and Daddy been in cahoots the whole time? Nah.

I thought that it was going to be Jack that came up on Syd when Syd was coming up on Lauren on the hill. Wait... Jack just slept with Spy Sister (Nadia?)... may he IS with Mommy...

In other stories...

I'm glad Vaughn got to kick Lauren's arse :)

Sloane didn't have enough screen time.

Sark in prison AGAIN?!

What's up with the Mission Impossible masks? Lame.

I spent the day watching "Who Wants to Marry Ryan Banks" thinking maybe, just maybe, Bradley Cooper would pop up on tonights episode. Nope :(

Posted by: Graymalkin

You can see Bradley Cooper on "Touching Evil", on USA Network Mondays at 10 p.m. EDT. :D

Posted by: cwoody222

Oh, I know! :)

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by cwoody222
Has Spy Mommy and Daddy been in cahoots the whole time? Nah.

Well, we know they've been in contact since she disappeared...

As for Sark in prison AGAIN--they're even joking about it on the show (to paraphrase, "he always rolls over when he's faced with a little pain").

Posted by: cmontyburns

Eh. It was an effective episode in that I'm going to be wondering (until January!) exactly what was in the folder (although ABC did a good job of giving away in their radio promos that Jack was at the center of it). But overall I was disappointed. Too many of the usual liberties with time and geography, plausibilty, miraculous recoveries from injuries (except apparently for Marshall), and on and on. Here's hoping they focus on tightening up the writing in the off-season.

Posted by: Idearat

quote:
Originally posted by jwjody
OK, what exactly did she find?

I looked twice, it appeared to be 17 April 1975 to me. I wonder if Sydney is supposed to be the same age as Jennifer Garner. Curiously, Jennifer's b-day is 17 April 1972, so if they have the same b-day, then the project was initiated on her 3rd birthday.

Also interesting is the name of the file:
S.A.B. 47 Project. If S.A.B. is for Sydney Anne Bristow, what's the 47? Normal humans have 46 chromosomes ( 23 pairs ). Maybe Syd's got an an extra Rambaldi one?

Posted by: balboa dave

CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
TOP SECRET / EYES ONLY
S.A.B. 47 PROJECT
PROJECT INITIATED: 17 APRIL 1975
PROJECT SUBJECT: SYDNEY ANNE BRISTOW
PROJECT STATUS: ACTIVE
SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER: JACK BRISTOW

Wouldn't 4/17/1975 have been the day of her birth?

Posted by: gerbil42

Isn't 47 the mystical number when dealing with Rambaldi? Like all his manuscripts and stuff, wasn't The Prophecy on page 47?

Posted by: dansee

quote:
Originally posted by cwoody222
Kinda upset we didn't get any Rombaldi closure on this episode.

I'm with you, cwoody. Hopefully they can close out the balance of that story line quickly next January. As cliffhangers go, it wasn't a bad one, but they have a serious loose thread count going.

Mostly, I'm just glad Lauren got shot.

Posted by: jschuur

Is Sydney a clone? Lauren said something about how it was no coincidence that both her and her sister worked for spy agencies.

When you think about it, it _is_ a huge coincidence that the recipient of the Rambaldi DNA encoding just happens to be right among them.

Nadia can't be a clone though, if she's the by-product of an affair with Sloane.

Maybe they're not clones, but both had some sort of gene splicing experiments done on them when they were young. It didn't work on Sydney, so they used younger sis and she bacame The Passenger.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

Well, we know that Sydney is a spy because of Rambaldi nut Sloane. And at the time Jack worked for Rambaldi nut Sloane. And before that Jack initiated the project that made Sydney a Super-Spy. And that project had Russian roots. And Spy-Mommie is Russian. As is Spy-Sis (presumably an alumna of the Russian version of SAB-47).

Gee, ya don't suppose it could all be connected? :D

Posted by: jeepair

quote:
Originally posted by jschuur
Is Sydney a clone? Lauren said something about how it was no coincidence that both her and her sister worked for spy agencies.

When you think about it, it _is_ a huge coincidence that the recipient of the Rambaldi DNA encoding just happens to be right among them.

Nadia can't be a clone though, if she's the by-product of an affair with Sloane.

Maybe they're not clones, but both had some sort of gene splicing experiments done on them when they were young. It didn't work on Sydney, so they used younger sis and she bacame The Passenger.

I was leaning this way also, only I find it difficult to see them perfecting the cloning ability back in 76.

Sydney sure read those pages fast, 3 seconds a page?

Umm, where was that bank and how was Jack there at the same time dressed in field commando black.

Posted by: ScottE22

I, too, immediately thought of Project Christmas... But in keeping with the writing on this show, I doubt even J.J. knows exactly what was in the folder :D

Posted by: windracer

quote:
I'm glad Vaughn got to kick Lauren's arse

Best line of the episode, when Vaughn knocks her out in the warehouse: "Hi Honey."

Did anyone else have a "Raiders of the Lost Ark" moment when Nadia told Sloan she had altered the coordinates. Before Sloan even said his line, I had thought of Indiana Jones discovering the inscription on the other side of the disc burned into the Nazi's hand that said to shorten the staff used in the Map Room. Indy says, "they're digging in the wrong place" which Sloan said a few seconds later.

Re: the Sphere of Life. Wasn't there a Rimbaldi artifact in either S1 or S2 that they had to use some sort of tactical nuclear weapon to open, and when they did there was a potted flower of some sort from Rimbaldi's time, still alive inside? Time to buy the DVDs and review ...

Sark did have a lot of bad luck in this season ... being caught all the time. And how many times did Vaughn end up being shot, stabbed, or tortured?

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

By the way, I thought the sound was truly excellent in this episode, especially during the interrogation scenes and when people got hit. I winced any number of times, not so much from what I saw but from what I heard.

Posted by: cpalma

Do you think Lauren's really, most sincerely dead? How many bullets did Vaughn pump into her? LMAO

Of course you have your incredulous moments (how Vaughn got from the Hospital in LA to Palermo, Italy just in time to save Syd.), but all in all a great ride!

I loved it when Katya got her gun back and she said "How did you know?" Syd said, "I didn't. But I do now!".

We really have to wait until January for fresh episodes?? [LMAO at my wording. The WB has invaded my brain!! "FRESH"!!! Arrrrggghhhhhhhh]

Posted by: TreborPugly

I think the secret project on Sidney is just thrown in as a cliff hanger, but will turn out to be no big deal. She already knows he included her in experiments on what makes a good spy. So gee, it turns out she was an experiment from birth. His devotion to her still stands.

I think they'll have an argument, she'll give him the cold shoulder for an episode or two, and then back to normal.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by TreborPugly
I think the secret project on Sidney is just thrown in as a cliff hanger, but will turn out to be no big deal. She already knows he included her in experiments on what makes a good spy. So gee, it turns out she was an experiment from birth. His devotion to her still stands.

No, I really think it all ties together--she knew that she was part of an experiment, but she didn't know it was Rambaldi-based, and that (possibly) Jack, Sloane, and Irina were all in on it.

Posted by: Incognito

Yeah that #47 has been a "hot" topic of debate ... It was the page number (in Rimbaldi's manuscript), the number shows up last night, it was the number on the door in Syd's drugs indused dream (when she saw Will) ... etc.

I actually think J.J. & the writers have seen this out there (on the web) and throw it in for kicks!

Posted by: jwjody

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
No, I really think it all ties together--she knew that she was part of an experiment, but she didn't know it was Rambaldi-based, and that (possibly) Jack, Sloane, and Irina were all in on it.

Refresh my memory...how do we know it's Rambaldi based? Because her half-sis is in on it? That's just what Lauren said, other than the first page of the documents we have no idea what the whole folder is.

Or am I missing something else?

J

Posted by: Rcrew

I'm going to have to re-watch the scenes with Lauren. I haven't seen anyone else mention Syd's missing two years yet. Not sure what I heard that made me think there's something in the documents that talks about the missing two years.

We've been led to believe Jack had nothing to do with that, but he firmly believed she was alive. Perhaps there's more to it.

Good episode. But as mentioned once, is Lauren really dead? I think it was 6 shots, but I'm always bothered when there's no body that gets checked for a pulse...

Posted by: RoughRider

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
By the way, I thought the sound was truly excellent in this episode, especially during the interrogation scenes and when people got hit. I winced any number of times, not so much from what I saw but from what I heard.

I would have to agree. I rarely wince at stuff like that, but found myself doing so a bunch during this episode due to the sound.

Overall, I thought that the episode started off with a "bang", then stumbled to the end where it redeemed itself a little with a decent cliffhanger. It's going to be a long, long wait until January.

Posted by: jschuur

A couple of seasons back, there was this old guy in Italy that Sydney visited, who knew that he was going to die right after he gave/told her something. It was implied that he was 'very old' (centuries). For the longest time, I thought that was Rambaldi, but I guess not.

Anyone remember who he was suposed to be? Just some form of messenger/guardian?

Posted by: gerbil42

quote:
Originally posted by jschuur
A couple of seasons back, there was this old guy in Italy that Sydney visited, who knew that he was going to die right after he gave/told her something. It was implied that he was 'very old' (centuries). For the longest time, I thought that was Rambaldi, but I guess not.

Anyone remember who he was suposed to be? Just some form of messenger/guardian?

He was "the only person Rambaldi colaborated with", a very highly skilled clockmaker that made the clock he fixed, several hundred years ago.

Posted by: cheesesteak

This episode insulted my intelligence. The masks... Why didn't whoever stabbed Vaughn just kill him? How'd he get to the hospital? Sydney and Vaughn don't make sure Lauren's dead before they start making out? Vaughn has a stab wound and punctured lung but can rappel down a stairwell with a firehose and fly to Palermo?

I think Sydney's a cyborg.

Posted by: Snappa77

In all of this the one thing I cannot believe is that Spy Aunt really tried to shoot and kill Syd. That clip Syd took out had real bullets in it. It was not a dart gun like Syds.

That makes me believe that neither Jack or Irina are in cohoots with Spy Aunt. They would never let Syd be killed. And believe me she was shooting to kill. Gun was pointed at Syd's head when she pulled trigger.

I know they set it up so it looks cool that Syd took out clip but they have to explain why Spy Aunt would want to kill rather than take her prisoner. It makes no sense. (at least for now).

Can't wait for January.

Posted by: T-Wolves

quote:
Originally posted by cheesesteak
This episode insulted my intelligence. The masks...

I agree. Alias has really gone off the rails this season, IMO.

So why does the actor who plays Dixon stick around? It's not like they really give him much to do anymore. He must need the paycheck pretty bad.

Posted by: laria

quote:
Originally posted by cheesesteak
The masks...

I have no problem suspending my disbelief for the Rambaldi stuff, but the masks?! Come on! :)

Posted by: TampaThunder

When Vaughn shows up and finally gets rid of that Lauren-witch, Sydney asks, "How did you get here?" which was the exact same question I was screaming at the screen.

His answer, "I'm here for you." Ok, that explains it. Sydney needed Jack to get her passports and transportation. Apparently Vaughn only needs a punctured lung and a slight limp.

And with access masks and "voice modulators" why all the stupid disguises in previous episodes? I don't mind total ludicrosity (my word, I made it up :) ) but I would like some consistency.

Posted by: Graymalkin

quote:
Originally posted by cheesesteak
I think Sydney's a cyborg.

I think they're ALL cyborgs, except for Marshall, because he built 'em!

Marshall also built all the CTU personnel in "24."

Posted by: jgerry

Spy Aunt would have easily realized that she had been handed a gun without a clip. Anyone who has used a large caliber handgun knows it's not even close to balanced properly without a full clip. A professional soldier or agent would know immediately that it was empty.

Still an OK episode though.

Posted by: Snappa77

quote:
Originally posted by Graymalkin
I think they're ALL cyborgs, except for Marshall, because he built 'em!

Marshall also built all the CTU personnel in "24."

My GF thinks that Marshall is Rambaldi. Somehow he gets sent back in time. Think "Connecticut Yankee in King Authors Court". Or think every fifth Star Trek ep where the space time thing-a-majiggy gets messed up. ;)

All jokes aside.... it would be funny if it was Marshall. And considering the writers recent run on the bullsh!t meter I wouldn't put it past them.

Posted by: Ladd Morse

quote:
Originally posted by jgerry
Spy Aunt would have easily realized that she had been handed a gun without a clip. Anyone who has used a large caliber handgun knows it's not even close to balanced properly without a full clip. A professional soldier or agent would know immediately that it was empty.

I thought of that also, but in a show where we are to accept without question satellites that can read your brainwaves, not instantly knowing that the gun had no clip seems like such a small thing... :)

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by Ladd Morse
I thought of that also, but in a show where we are to accept without question satellites that can read your brainwaves, not instantly knowing that the gun had no clip seems like such a small thing... :)

Besides, it's one of those new self-balancing guns with auto-gyro modules. Once you've opened up a socket and realigned the flux capaciter, there's no way of telling if there's actually a clip in the gun.

Posted by: jennstall

quote:
Originally posted by jgerry
Spy Aunt would have easily realized that she had been handed a gun without a clip. Anyone who has used a large caliber handgun knows it's not even close to balanced properly without a full clip. A professional soldier or agent would know immediately that it was empty.

Still an OK episode though.

It also seems unlikely to me that she wouldn't have had a round in the chamber. And without a round in the chamber she wouldn't have been able to fire the gun without cocking it first, right?

This show makes me crazy and if it weren't for Jack Bristow I doubt I'd be able to so willingly dismiss all my sense of logic and rational thought LOL

Posted by: mostman

Another thing that made me mad - Nadia told Sloane "I changed the coordinates".

Ummm - they were encrypted using a formula that the Covenant needed an expert to crack. So you are telling me you decrypted the formula, changed the coordinates, and then re-encrypted the bloody lot back again - all WHILE being totally off tilter due to some magic green shtuff?

Yeah - sure - right.

-Mike

Posted by: ariscris

quote:
Originally posted by Rcrew
I'm going to have to re-watch the scenes with Lauren. I haven't seen anyone else mention Syd's missing two years yet. Not sure what I heard that made me think there's something in the documents that talks about the missing two years.

Maybe it's the following exchange:

Lauren: If you kill me, you'll never know the truth
Syd: This is the truth. SUCKS, doesn't it?
Lauren: Do you think the CIA couldn't find you when you went missing? Or that you learned what happened to you by chance?
Lauren: And if your mother's really been helping you since she left, why haven't you ever spoken to her?
Syd: You're trying to buy time.
Lauren: You can't believe that you and your sister just happen to both be agents.
Syd: This isn't gonna work.
Lauren: There's a bank in Wittenburg, a numbered vault, proof.

Posted by: ufo4sale

I wanted to know how she knew all that. I guess will never know.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by ufo4sale
I wanted to know how she knew all that. I guess will never know.

She was in on it. And I suspect we WILL know, as the Great Conspiracy gets unravelled next year...

Posted by: aadam101

The server that was on the plane that held all of the Alliance intel to take down SD-6 was #47. Sydney thought there were only 46 servers and Sark told her about the 47th one.

Posted by: DreadPirateRob

I agree with everyone that there were a lot of continuity/believability problems, but this is Alias, after all, not exactly the Discovery Channel. The particularly glaring one for me was Vaughn evidently teleporting to Palermo from LA. Does he have a personal Concorde or something? Did Jack scare up an F-18 for him? I also didn't like the "no Rambaldi closure" to end the season - it got kinda lost in the Syd/Vaughn/Lauren shuffle at the end.

But still, it was worth it to see Vaughn grow a pair, and to see Lauren get pumped full of lead (although I was hoping for a headshot).

Posted by: jeepair

Arrrg, it is not a clip. It is a magazine. The magazine is that which holds the cartridges so that they can be fed into the firearm and fired. A clip is a device designed to hold cartridges so that they can be fed easily into the magazine for use.

Whoever said the weight would be different is correct, but it would take someone with a lot of experience to notice. Syd's Aunt should have been experienced enough.

Lastly, I never heard or saw Syd remove the round from the chamber. That would have been most difficult with her Aunt looking at her the entire time.

Posted by: TreborPugly

BTW, the coincidence of numbers like 47 does not mean every instance of the number 47 is explicitly related to every other instance. It is just a sign that something mystical is going on, and that at some point, the number 47 will be a mystical key. I hope it isn't just that the number of her project was 47.

In 15 years, they can have a sequel series where Sidney is 47...

Posted by: mask2343

Ok, I've watched 3 seasons of this show and I still don't know what the heck the Rambaldi device does. Can anyone explain? And what happened to the weapon that made people burst into flames. I thought THAT was the Rambaldi device.

Posted by: BitbyBlit

quote:
Originally posted by DreadPirateRob
I agree with everyone that there were a lot of continuity/believability problems, but this is Alias, after all, not exactly the Discovery Channel. The particularly glaring one for me was Vaughn evidently teleporting to Palermo from LA. Does he have a personal Concorde or something?

I wonder, though, if it's just that they are showing scenes out of temporal order for dramatic effect. Perhaps Vaughn escaped while Sydney was still on her way. But, if they showed him escaping first, they they would have shown Sydney sitting there, faded out, then faded back in to Sydney sitting there at night. Putting Vaughn's scene in between Sydney's allowed them to jump away from her and come back at a later time. Plus, it also allowed them to introduce the "Oh no, Sydney's in trouble" factor when Vaughn says that Katya stabbed him, and then immediately jump to the scene with Katya.

And, for those of you that don't want to wait until January, Sydney finds out that

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Jack and Irina are first cousins.

Posted by: Peter000

quote:
Originally posted by BitbyBlit
And, for those of you that don't want to wait until January, Sydney finds out that
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Jack and Irina are first cousins.

Wha?

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
But they were married. Unless Syd is a product of a different union, or no union at all (ie the product of cloning), and Irina and Jack never slept together, that makes no sense and kind of treading on morally tenuous ground for TV.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by Peter000
Wha?

My sarcasm detector went nuts when I read that spoiler...

Posted by: BitbyBlit

quote:
Originally posted by Peter000
Wha?
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
But they were married. Unless Syd is a product of a different union, or no union at all (ie the product of cloning), and Irina and Jack never slept together, that makes no sense and kind of treading on morally tenuous ground for TV.

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Watch the ending again while thinking about Sydney finding out her parents are related. It will all make sense ;)

Actually, with Lauren mentioning the two year gap, I wonder if perhaps Sydney was given false memories, but for whatever reason (perhaps because of how long it took to gather enough data or because of how long it took to make those memories seem real), those memories were only up to two years ago. Or maybe they deliberately only gave her memories up until two years ago so that she would attribute any anamolies in her memory to her not knowing what happened during the last two years. If she had been given up-to-date memories, she might have more easily noticed any flaws in her fake memories. Perhaps what she was reading was her "bio".

Of course, that doesn't explain the recordings of her unless there are other clones of her. Perhaps the real her is dead or captured, and she was created to take her place, but whoever created her only had her memories up until two years ago.

Posted by: balboa dave

I think Alias works because of great casting, great characters you love (and love to hate), and an exciting storytelling style. The plots themselves have always been beyond the edge of believability, and I can forgive the occasional lapse of continuity.

But it seems like this episode was trying to make plot points by any means possible, and doesn't give the viewers the respect we usually get. I'm used to reality being stretched, that might even be my favorite part, but this episode just shatters it, for all of the reasons already discussed in this thread. Perhaps if it had been a 2 hour episode, it would have worked better. But I still liked it, and I hope next season doesn't continue this trend.

Posted by: Graymalkin

With regards to BitbyBlit's spoiler and Peter000's response,

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
The marriage of first cousins is perfectly legal in a lot of U.S. states. See [ url]http://marriage.about.com/cs/marriagelicenses/a/cousin.htm[ /url]

Posted by: kb7sei

quote:
Originally posted by mostman
Another thing that made me mad - Nadia told Sloane "I changed the coordinates".

Ummm - they were encrypted using a formula that the Covenant needed an expert to crack. So you are telling me you decrypted the formula, changed the coordinates, and then re-encrypted the bloody lot back again - all WHILE being totally off tilter due to some magic green shtuff?

Yeah - sure - right.

-Mike

Actually, she told him she changed the EQUATION, not the coordinates. Changing a number or symbol here and there is easy and you could even come up with your own "encryption" for it on the fly, a trained agent would be able to come up with something while coming out of drug-induced "high". She was basicly encrypting the ciphertext again in her head.

Of course, if it were a real equation, in the mathematical sense, it would no longer balance and that should have been apparent to an "expert" decoding it. As they called it a "form of algebra", it would seem to me that it would get all messed up when you "solve for x", as it were. ;) Depends on the type of equation I suppose, but if it was allready encrypted by Rambaldi, changing the ciphertext would have likely resulted in the decrypted output coming out very wrong.

Of course, this is TV, you have to accept that they will throw technical sounding words around to impress the masses while making science types groan in disgust. Sort of like how most TV shows handle the use of firearms. Anyone trained in firearm use knows damn well that you ALWAYS keep your weapon ready to use if you're planning to use it in a life and death situation. It bugs me when they show cops and spies "cocking" thier guns just before using them. A pro like that would already have a round chambered, and would at most have to release the safety. As for the scene with "spy aunt", I was able to get by that with the fact that many modern semi-auto handguns use a "clip safety" that prevents the weapon from firing if the mag is removed. It's unlikely that a spy would have such a feature on thier weapon, but it wasn't totally "out there". Not recognizing that the mag has been removed, that was stupid. ;)

Posted by: IJustLikeTivo

quote:
Originally posted by jeepair
Arrrg, it is not a clip. It is a magazine. The magazine is that which holds the cartridges so that they can be fed into the firearm and fired. A clip is a device designed to hold cartridges so that they can be fed easily into the magazine for use.

Whoever said the weight would be different is correct, but it would take someone with a lot of experience to notice. Syd's Aunt should have been experienced enough.

I feel your pain, I hate it when they say the wrong thing, but to disagree a bit, I think pretty much everyone can tell the difference between a full gun and an empty one. I assume the magazine was loaded. Now, if it was empty or very nearly empty, I would tend to agree.

Back on point, I hope Marshall is OK, he is a great assest to the show. Love those gadgets and more importantly, how the role is played. Genius!

Posted by: Cabby

quote:
Originally posted by jeepair
Arrrg, it is not a clip. It is a magazine. The magazine is that which holds the cartridges so that they can be fed into the firearm and fired. A clip is a device designed to hold cartridges so that they can be fed easily into the magazine for use.

Thanx Marshall....

Posted by: ruexp67

quote:
Originally posted by IJustLikeTivo
I think pretty much everyone can tell the difference between a full gun and an empty one. I assume the magazine was loaded. Now, if it was empty or very nearly empty, I would tend to agree.

I agree that Spy Aunt should have been able to tell, but it's possible you might miss it. For example: Let's say you regularly carry/use a fully loaded Glock. You get used to the weight and balance of it. Then someone hands you an unloaded full-steel Sig Sauer. The empty Sig actually wieghs MORE than the loaded Glock (plastic frame and all.) The Sig would be very top heavy though and unbalanced.

Posted by: KLB

I've looked around a bunch of places and in some Syd's birthday is listed as 1974, sometimes 1975-- more often 75 it seems.

If you want the last scene again, you see that Jack comes in before she's even done reading the first page.... and he waits before he says anything. This, to me, means Jack wanted her to get this or at least figured it was too late so she might as well see it all.

A friend of mine said that one board he goes to they were saying something like Vaughn's father's name was on the document. It was not. I looked over the scene frame by frame after hearing things like this and it ain't there.

Lauren truly dead? I guess that all depends on the writers...

I'm bummed that Syd's aunt turned out to be a major baddie, the question arrises: did Jack know the whole time? Did he know before he came to visit her that night?

wacked out finale and thanks to the ass*oles at ABC it'll be January 2005 before we find out any answers.

Thanks Eisner.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by KLB
wacked out finale and thanks to the ass*oles at ABC it'll be January 2005 before we find out any answers.

I say hooray! The long mid-season gaps this year drove me nuts; I can take the longer wait for the season to begin knowing that it will then go straight through.