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Deadwood 5/23
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Posted by: Redleg

Can anyone tell exactly what was in the message to Swearengen that made him so mad? Somehow he feels betrayed by the magistrate, but I couldn't tell exactly what happened. Was he reneging on helping him with his outstanding warrant?

Overall another really cool episode; I'm going to miss this show over the break. I liked seeing Swearengen work with Wu (try counting the f-bombs and c-s'ers in that discussion, LOL), and all the other characters keep coming into their own.

Posted by: VegasVic

At first I thought the letter stated the magistrate wanted more money to pave the way to become a territory but then it did seem as if it was related to the murder warrant.

I love watching "Mayor" Farnum strut around town in his new suit.

Merrick trying to form a walking "club". Sol: "we need to open the store NOW".

Charlie Utter sticking up for him "Your ass was not in his shoulder".

It will be interesting to see if Eddie can really rob Cy.

EB being shut outside the Gem with a "degenerate tit-licker". :D

Posted by: Jon J

quote:
Originally posted by VegasVic
I love watching "Mayor" Farnum strut around town in his new suit.

Farnum: "Anything I need to know?"

Swearingen: "A tailor."

;)

Posted by: bdowell

The conversation between Wu and Swearengen had me rolling with laughter.

"Not Wu, who?"

"C-s'er"

"White C-s'er"

darn funny conversation.

Swearengen taking out his own man so he could be delivered to Wu was wild. It had me thinking I was watching the Sopranos at its best, but then I remembered it was the wild west and not NY or NJ :D

Posted by: midas

quote:
Originally posted by bdowell
The conversation between Wu and Swearengen had me rolling with laughter.

"Not Wu, who?"

"C-s'er"

"White C-s'er"

darn funny conversation.

I thought the funniest line in that conversation was Al saying, "I'm sure glad I taught you that word." Or something like that. I was laughing so hard I missed the next part and had to rewind.

Posted by: jones07

Swearingen: "Throw yourself over the balcony"

Posted by: etexlady

I've missed Calamity Jane on Deadwood the last couple of weeks. But, I saw a "clean and sober" Calamity on Cold Case finale last night. She played a fairly extended role as a detective. I wondered if they were paving the way for her to join the cast of that show next season. She asked for a job with the cold case unit if one became available. Anyone else catch it?

Posted by: grecorj

quote:
Originally posted by bdowell
The conversation between Wu and Swearengen had me rolling with laughter.

"Not Wu, who?"

"C-s'er"

"White C-s'er"

darn funny conversation.

Swearengen taking out his own man so he could be delivered to Wu was wild. It had me thinking I was watching the Sopranos at its best, but then I remembered it was the wild west and not NY or NJ :D

Reminded me of the classic f$#*! conversation btwn McNulty and his partner on the first season of The Wire. Awesome!

Posted by: grecorj

quote:
Originally posted by bdowell
The conversation between Wu and Swearengen had me rolling with laughter.

"Not Wu, who?"

"C-s'er"

"White C-s'er"

darn funny conversation.

Swearengen taking out his own man so he could be delivered to Wu was wild. It had me thinking I was watching the Sopranos at its best, but then I remembered it was the wild west and not NY or NJ :D

Reminded me of the classic f$#*! conversation btwn McNulty and his partner on the first season of The Wire. Awesome!

Posted by: Tivortex

I wonder if Charlie might end up being Jonies backer. She seems to be taking a shine to him, and vice versa.

Posted by: midas

quote:
Originally posted by Tivortex
I wonder if Charlie might end up being Jonies backer. She seems to be taking a shine to him, and vice versa.

I was thinking it was actually going to be a fleece job on him before it's all said and done.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by Redleg
Can anyone tell exactly what was in the message to Swearengen that made him so mad? Somehow he feels betrayed by the magistrate, but I couldn't tell exactly what happened. Was he reneging on helping him with his outstanding warrant?

Yes. Swearingen paid $5,000 to have the warrant vacated, and the letter informed him that it wasn't enough (and didn't specify what more he would have to do). He was pissed off because he thought the matter had been dealt with, and now it looks like the magistrate is going to try to string him along (not a wise career move, if you consider life a career).

I didn't recognize Jane on Cold Case, but now that you mention it..!

Posted by: cwoody222

First Jane on NYPD Blue and now Cold Case. Missed her on Cold Case. Missed her tonight too :( Is she still standing with her head against a wall somewhere?! :)

Another GREAT episode after last week's terrific episode. (the whole season has been absolutely great, though... I can't even remember the wonderful one-liners because there's just so many)

Who was the Magistrate guy? The one who's mother looked like she f'ed a monkey LOL Seriously... I can't place where he's from.

What was the dead w/ the guy trying to sell something to Bullock... was he trying to sell the land that the hardware store is built on?

Posted by: cwoody222

Answered myself:

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servle...l/personid-1627

Posted by: pmyers

I believe the guy was trying to sell Bullock a piece of land to build a house on.

Posted by: LlamaLarry

Was the land sale brought up on a previous episode? I spent their whole exchange thinking "Crap, did I fall asleep and miss something?"

Posted by: pmyers

quote:
Originally posted by LlamaLarry
Was the land sale brought up on a previous episode? I spent their whole exchange thinking "Crap, did I fall asleep and miss something?"

well I assume that it was brought about because of Bullock sending word for his "wife and son" to come join him in Deadwood.

Posted by: RexTrout

Ah....that makes it all the more meaningful that he wasn't yet willing to commit to purchasing the land.

Now I get it.

Posted by: pmyers

What did Bullock mean when he was saying that he was "living his brother's life" or something like that? Did he mean that he is actualy using his brother's identity to hide from his real name/past or does he just mean taking care of his dead brother's wife/son?

Posted by: ClutchBrake

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
What did Bullock mean when he was saying that he was "living his brother's life" or something like that? Did he mean that he is actualy using his brother's identity to hide from his real name/past or does he just mean taking care of his dead brother's wife/son?

At the beginning of this episode I thought he was just taking care of his brother's family. After his conversation with Sol I think it is much more than that.

Posted by: Tracy

Jane has left Deadwood. I don't know if she will be back.

Bullock's brother died and Bullock married his brother's wife. We don't know the full story there, but presumably to take care of them.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

Bullock also quit his job as a (sheriff? Marshall?), and became a shopkeeper--which was his brother's line of work..?

Posted by: ChickenCheese

My favorite line of the night was when Al and E.B. were stuffing cash into the envelopes. Al gets that look on his face and says:
"As damp as your hands are, why do you keep licking you f'ing thumb?!"

Just the way he said it cracked me up :D

Posted by: Tivo_60

If this show wins an emmy, is the cast going to say " we want to thank all of you co*****kers !" ? :) And we thought the Sopranos was bad. This is one gritty show and I love it! And yes, I hope Jane comes back too.

Posted by: pmyers

quote:
Originally posted by Tivo_60
If this show wins an emmy, is the cast going to say " we want to thank all of you co*****kers !" ? :) And we thought the Sopranos was bad. This is one gritty show and I love it! And yes, I hope Jane comes back too.

that scene with Swenger and Wu is an all time classic!

Posted by: gregpr

Did anyone get a flashback to "Who's on First" when Swearingen and Wu were chatting in Swearingen's office?

Posted by: Steveknj

quote:
Originally posted by bdowell
The conversation between Wu and Swearengen had me rolling with laughter.

"Not Wu, who?"

"C-s'er"

"White C-s'er"

darn funny conversation.

Swearengen taking out his own man so he could be delivered to Wu was wild. It had me thinking I was watching the Sopranos at its best, but then I remembered it was the wild west and not NY or NJ :D

I was rolling. The single funniest scene in all the Deadwood episodes!!

Posted by: Steveknj

quote:
Originally posted by gregpr
Did anyone get a flashback to "Who's on First" when Swearingen and Wu were chatting in Swearingen's office?

Yes!! And the look on Swearingen's face was classic. I thought he was going to strangle him and say "DON'T YOU KNOW ANY OTHER WORDS?!!"

Posted by: Steveknj

One thing that I thought was intersting but I didn't realize about the wild west, is how poorly the Chinese were treated by the whites. It was really brought out in this episode, that the Chinese were really considered third class citizens and that even giving up the scum of the earth like those two junkies were to a Chinese man, was looked down upon.

Thoughts?

Posted by: pmyers

quote:
Originally posted by Steveknj
One thing that I thought was intersting but I didn't realize about the wild west, is how poorly the Chinese were treated by the whites. It was really brought out in this episode, that the Chinese were really considered third class citizens and that even giving up the scum of the earth like those two junkies were to a Chinese man, was looked down upon.

Thoughts?

and I believe that's pretty historically accurate too. I seem to remember hearing/seeing the same thing in many western movies.

Posted by: Steveknj

I'm not a big fan of westerns, since most of them over glorified the west. It's interesting when you contrast this with Bonanza (I think it was Bonanza), where they had a Chinese servent, who was treated with respect, or even Kung-Fu, where Caine was given respect after he had earned it. Here Mr. Wu really got NO respect (well maybe Swearingen secretly respects the guy as a business partner, but I think it's Wu being "the means to an end".

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
and I believe that's pretty historically accurate too. I seem to remember hearing/seeing the same thing in many western movies.

Oh, absolutely--as late as World War II Asians were often considered to be barely if at all human. That's why Asian-Americans, and not German-Americans or Italian-Americans, were put in concentration camps.

Posted by: LooseWiring

Posted by: jeff125va

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
What did Bullock mean when he was saying that he was "living his brother's life" or something like that? Did he mean that he is actualy using his brother's identity to hide from his real name/past or does he just mean taking care of his dead brother's wife/son?

I get the impression that he married her in order to take care of the family for his late brother. I don't think there's anything secretive to it, it's just an uncomfortable and difficult situation because they're not in love, in fact hardly know each other, but he felt it was his responsibility to take care of the family.

Despite losing his temper, I thought Swearengen was rather compassionate toward the preacher when he came back to the bar the second time. I can't imagine that the preacher will be around much longer with a brain tumor that's affecting him so quickly - I believe he said it's been a week since the seizures started, IIRC? I also thought the scene when he went to the hardware store at the end was exceptional.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by jeff125va
I get the impression that he married her in order to take care of the family for his late brother. I don't think there's anything secretive to it, it's just an uncomfortable and difficult situation because they're not in love, in fact hardly know each other, but he felt it was his responsibility to take care of the family.

I also get the impression he quit the lawman business and went into hardware in order to be able to provide a more familial environment...

Posted by: jeff125va

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
I also get the impression he quit the lawman business and went into hardware in order to be able to provide a more familial environment...

Yeah, could be. Did he ever mention how his brother died? Perhaps they were both lawmen and he was killed in the line of duty. He could certainly be concerned about putting the family through the same thing again.

Posted by: MattDing

I believe he told Alma his brother was killed in the war.

Whether Civil or Indian he didn't specify.

Posted by: cheesesteak

I believe Al respects Mr. Wu. Wu is the Al Swearingen of the Chinese community. Al calls everybody names but he went out of his way to not only pay Wu back but to try to build him up as a big man to the other Chinese.

Although the "Wu's on First?" c***sucker skit was the funniest thing I've seen on tv in a loooong time, I'm surprised there wasn't another Chinese person in camp who could be a better translator for Wu.

Posted by: dmdeane

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Oh, absolutely--as late as World War II Asians were often considered to be barely if at all human. That's why Asian-Americans, and not German-Americans or Italian-Americans, were put in concentration camps.

"Asian-Americans" were not put in camps. Perhaps you meant Japanese-Americans; they were put in camps, but Chinese-Americans, Korean-Americans, etc., were not put in camps.

Also, German-Americans and Italian-Americans were put in camps, if they weren't native born American citizens. Many, many immigrants back then lived all their lives in the USA without bothering to get citizenship.

Otherwise you are correct.

Also there were a number of anti-Chinese "pogroms" in California and elsewhere in the 19th century. That's the thing that is on the back of everyone's minds when discussing what to do with the two white dope addicts. Another anti-Chinese riot would be rather disruptive to the local business community, and could get Swearingen in a lot of trouble if he is not careful.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

I chose my words carefully. My point was about the consideration of Asian-Americans as barely human; one late example of this was the internment of Asian-Americans (specifically, Americans of Japanese ancestry) during World War II. I used the term "Asian-American" because I believe the internment was part of the same impulse that led to the contempt for the Chinese that we see in "Deadwood." Many of the interred people's ancestors came to the US a century earlier. German-Americans, on the other hand, were NOT interred. Germans were, yes (which is not entirely incomprehensible; they were, in fact, citizens of a country with whom we were at war), but Americans of German ancestry (like my father and grandfather, whose ancestors came to the US a century earlier) suffered no abridgment of their civil rights whatsoever.

Posted by: Supfreak26

quote:
Originally posted by Tracy
Jane has left Deadwood. I don't know if she will be back.

Bullock's brother died and Bullock married his brother's wife. We don't know the full story there, but presumably to take care of them.

Gonna miss Jane. Just seeing her with her head against the building napping cracked me up. Mainly because I've been there. :)

As far as why Bullock married his brother's wife... From what I understand, and I may be wrong here, it was common for brothers to marry their deceased brother's wife to make sure his family is taken care of. Again, I have nothing to base this on but I remember hearing about this custom some time ago.