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24 - Season 3 FINALE - 05/25/04 - Spoilers
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Posted by: Hippster
Just getting the thread warmed up a little early. :)
Gael's wife shooting Saunders was unexpected from a plot twist perspective. You did see it coming a mile away once she saw Saunders' picture and them saw him in person.
Posted by: Graymalkin
Ooh, nice turn of events to keep them from using an airtight container.
Posted by: Hippster
Yikes! The president not seeking a second term! Jack finally needing a heroin fix at the end?
The end was a big let down! They didn't bother tying up half the crazy plotlines. Sure they stop the virus... and then NOTHING!
Posted by: ireland967
Kiefer going for the Emmy in that last scene - at first I thought he was about to shoot up again . . .
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
Yeah, it seemed like a standard episode cliffhanger, not the end of the season...
I just hope next year, they start to get into the conspiracy...that's really been dragging on too long, and while for a time it looked like they were going to deal with it this year, they dropped the ball.
Posted by: ScottE22
It all just sort of wrapped up way too neatly. I feel unsatisfied...
The (main) thing that doesn't sit right with me is all the crap Jack has done and been pardoned, but Tony gets hauled off in cuffs? They caught the bad guys, stopped the virus, and no one was hurt -- maybe Palmer will pardon him in his last days in office??
I'm still confused what all those kids were doing in school when LA was under lock down...
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
Well, the crap that Jack pulled led to the crisis being resolved. The crap that Tony pulled almost led to the deaths of millions of people. And he knew it could.
I think there's a wee difference!
Posted by: Graymalkin
Aw, is widdle Jackie just a big crybaby? Aww, po' li'l Jackie Wackie...
Posted by: dschwab
How about Jack gets some sleep or gets to work on kicking that heroin addiction instead of interrogating some couriers?
Posted by: wmcbrine
Yeah, I was disappointed that Jack didn't ask for a pardon for Tony during his final call to the President.
I loved the scene of him crying in the car. It made me feel guilty for enjoying the show, realizing how awful it was for him!
P.S.: I do think Tony should be fired, but not go to prison.
Posted by: daperlman
quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Well, the crap that Jack pulled led to the crisis being resolved. The crap that Tony pulled almost led to the deaths of millions of people. And he knew it could.
I think there's a wee difference!
Right they cannot let that kind of behavior stand. If anything they should make an example of him or else millions of other TV CTU agents will be blackmailed.
Posted by: hawkamer
Very .. unsatisfying. After some of the best episodes of the series, we end with a whimper. Bummer.
Posted by: daperlman
I was thinking... in reality it would not be surprising for Chase's involuntary surgery to have taken more than one chop. But that is a detail I am willing to spare.
Posted by: jeepair
quote:
Originally posted by Hippster
Just getting the thread warmed up a little early. :)
Gael's wife shooting Saunders was unexpected
It was extremely predictable. Same with the 2 guards at each subway entrance. Duh, how about closing the gates. :rolleyes:
Posted by: Bardman
I think the purpose of Jack breaking down in the car was to remind us all that he is still just a man. I found myself thinking of his day, and how he was "on" all day long doing things that are unthinkable for most, but now that it is over, he can release the emotions that he couldn't earlier. Of course, let's not confuse him with a sissy!!! Give him his few tears, but we've got more bad guys to interrogate, game face back on!! (and good confirmation that Jack will be back for Season 4)
Of course, I'm still shuddering at the scene with Chase. When I saw Jack gazing into the background, I had a feeling he saw an axe even before Chase and the camera saw the axe. When Chase said "Do it", I nearly fell out of my chair.
Posted by: Bardman
quote:
Originally posted by daperlman
I was thinking... in reality it would not be surprising for Chase's involuntary surgery to have taken more than one chop. But that is a detail I am willing to spare.
did anyone else notice the look Jack had when he was removing the virus from Chase? He didn't seem to want to touch his hand.
Somehow, after sawing off a guys head (last season I know), I'm guessing that Jack knows how hard he has to swing an axe to get through the task at hand. (pun not intended). Of course, Chase would definitely hate him for not making it through in one chop.
Posted by: Figaro
Wow! Jack opened Chase's socket!
Then he got a pat on the back from the Pres after he caused a riot that killed at least one prison guard and he killed a fellow agent. No wonder he is hooked on H! Guy is going to need some serious counseling!
Posted by: Gunnyman2k3
episode grade from me C+
Season Grade B-
I felt at the end like it wasn't the end ya know??
Posted by: scottjf8
Season was great, ending sucked.. Jack crying? C'mon, get real :)
Posted by: bentleyml
Didn't anyone else notice the slight goof on the color of the car Saunder's courier took? Michelle said it was a light blue car and Chloe said it was light green, which turned out to be the correct color.
Posted by: Sven
Bah that was just lame. Fill a sink with water or dunk the device in the fish tank. Air tight, and no one loses a limb or their lunches. Just a dead fish (maybe). Maybe it's just me but I thought that was an obvious solution.
The wife shooting Saunders was also stupid as hell. The wife comes into the husbands work literally hours since he died. Civillians are allowed inside a government security building? Guns are just laying around unchecked? Why does the "IT Guy" need not just 1 guns but 2 and 1 in his desk (assuming he had one with him at the hotel which I imagine he did but can't recall for certain)?
I can suspend only so much reality. Right now I don't rate this season very high. Maybe by next season I'll have forgotten how silly this last episode was.
Posted by: appleye1
Evidently the soft ending was planned. Interesting article in today's USA Today regarding the absence of a cliffhanger this season:
quote:
'24' fans can count on a better finale
By Robert Bianco, USA TODAY
This year, Kiefer Sutherland says, final means final.
The star of Fox's 24 promises that there will be no cliffhanger at the end of Tuesday's season finale (9 ET/PT). Like a lot of viewers, he was no fan of last year's leave-you-hanging assassination attempt. He felt it violated the show's unwritten pact with its audience.
"If you stick with us through the day, we're going to end this day and it will be conclusive. ... So this season has some finality to it."
He's happy with the ending and with his show. His only regret is 24's treatment of Jack's heroin addiction, which seemed to vanish around midseason. "I wish we had made more of that story line ... but we did find ourselves in a bind about what you can do to a lead character and what he can come back from — and heroin was pretty much the line."
Next season, Jack will be back (heroin-free), though not until January, when the show will start an interruption-free five-month run; "(I'm) so excited about that," Sutherland says. The show's real-time, one-day format will remain the same, but the type of story will change, he says. "For three years, we've done the same scenario: A specific issue generates a 24-hour response. ... Next season will be dramatically different."
Next month, Sutherland is off to New Zealand to shoot the historical drama River Queen. "It's a beautiful script, and about 180 degrees from 24."
Don't take that the wrong way: Sutherland says he'll be more than happy to come back to 24. "I still feel we're doing it really well. It's a fantastic breath of fresh air for me, and I'm a loyal person. I'm not going to slap that in the face."
Posted by: Idearat
After the previous episodes, this was mostly a yawner. Since this wasn't supposed to be a teaser cliffhanger for next year I guess that did limit the action some. They'd have been much better off if the final show was a 2 hour episode, with hour 23 having the action and 24 wrapping it all up.
I enjoy the show, but I'm tired of the 24 hour gimmick and cliffhangers. This year I refused to do the weekly cliffhanger stuff and recorded 23 episodes, watched them over the last week. Was much more enjoyable stopping watching when I felt like it, during a lull in the action rather than be teased by each week's ending. I think if it weren't for TiVo and I had to watch this all as aired I'd give up on the show. Maybe I'd rent the DVDs and watch at my leisure, but I couldn't do the weekly bit.
Posted by: Idearat
I was surprised at first when they identified the courier's vehicle as a Chevy Mailibu. Ford's had a serious lock on all the vehicles.
Then I realised he was a terriorist scumbag, of course they wouldn't want him to drive a Ford. But to make the sponsors happy they couldn't just have him drive a non-Ford, they had to make a point of identifying it as a Chevy.
Posted by: appleye1
Well Kiefer's comment about it no longer being a "specific issue" makes it looks like there's going to be some serious changes next season.
I for one am glad we're done with Sherry, Nina, and best of all Palmer (although I guess they could bring him back in some way - he ain't dead after all!) And it looks like Tony might be gone too, but that's a little more tenuous.
On the other hand it looks like we're still stuck with Kim! Ugggh. :(
Posted by: dr_mal
I kept waiting for a big shock at the end. Not a cliffhanger, but a good shock like at the end of season one. I was all tensed up waiting to be kicked in the gut -- maybe Chase was working with the terrorists all along, maybe Michelle would kill herself feeling grief that Tony would be going to jail/executed for treason -- something like the end of hour 23, but it never happened.
Yawn.
Can't wait till next season, though :)
Posted by: 4score
quote:
Originally posted by appleye1
On the other hand it looks like we're still stuck with Kim! Ugggh. :(
And you have a problem being "stuck with Kim"????? Wow.
Posted by: desulliv
quote:
originally posted by Graymalkin
Aw, is widdle Jackie just a big crybaby? Aww, po' li'l Jackie Wackie...
So much for detachment. But then, again, in the last 24 hours he's killed a fellow agent, chopped off his future son-in-law's hand and hasn't had decent fix in a good while.
Posted by: brahman71
The ending struck me as really funny considering the real time nature of the series. I didnt rewatch it so tell me if I misunderstood. This just dawned on me and the show is already deleted.
During the two minutes of the comercial break they managed to get Chase to the hospital--- retrieve the hand from the case with no worries about the virus escaping or the hand being contaminated -- and start the surgery on him to replace it?????
I had to miss something right? The TV clock they show was still counting down the correct time? They did specifically say they were starting the reattachment surgery I thought. Did I not hear that correctly?
Anyway, while I don't have many complaints about the series(mostly because I was willing to accept a lot of absurdities going in) I think I'll pass on another season. They just have to throw in too many useless plots and other ridiculous things to flesh out the whole 24 hours and the payoff for sticking through it just doesn't seem worth it. There is a good story in there, but I think the format is too restrictive (although I still applaud them them for trying it in the first place).
Posted by: IndyJones1023
The crying at the end was perfect. Jack talked about being detached to Chase (lol, kind of foreboding with the hand and all). Jack is the man. He can do any job. He has that cool detachment. But in the end, when he can turn off, he isn't that detached. He's like the rest of us. He just has a different job. OMG, he's human after all! Chase can't be that detached. And that was why Jack understood Chase's decision to take desk duty - he's not all that detached after all either. Good ending, I though.
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
The last time they claimed that "events occur in real time" was early in Season 2, when even they realized they were fudging far too much.
Posted by: newsposter
Must you be convicted and sentenced to be pardoned? Or just when you do something bad can the prez say it's ok?
Regarding Chase's move to the inside, didn't Jack tell him the field is NOT the place to be when you have a family? I could have swore when he told Jack he was involved, Jack pretty much told him he should not be in the field where Kim would worry about him. If so, then why did they make Jack seem like he would be disappointed Chase would be not in the field? I guess in the end it doesn't matter since he isn't even on next season, but still.
When I saw the fishtank in the lab, that's why I thought it would be dumped but I guess Jack wanted to save the fish. I didn't think fridges were truly Level 1 biohazard airtight but I guess they are huh?
I read if Kim gets a movie deal she won't be back so if I was fox, I'd say screw you, you do the series or not, no hedging. I haven't heard if Palmer is back but he sure better be. He and Jack are the 2 must haves in my book.
Oh yea, and bring back Chloe to really mix it up. "Kim, I was told I can pick anyone for this assigment and I pick YOU so get up here now and don't make me ask again" Good old Chloe.
Think Gael's wife will get pardoned and come back to CTU? And what happened to the Palmer's girlfriend? As I'm sitting here writing I can think of a bunch of stuff that didn't pan out.
Posted by: Jstkiddn
quote:
Originally posted by scottjf8
Season was great, ending sucked.. Jack crying? C'mon, get real :)
I dunno....I think it's very believable that Jack might break down crying at the end of all that. I personally liked that scene. It made Jack more human. Think about all he's been through in the past 24 hours. He's lost the woman he loves; he had to kill a fellow agent in cold blood; he came very close to sacrificing an innocent girl (Saunder's daughter); he had to chop off another agents hand.....the list goes on and on. All in all it was a pretty tough day.
But the worst part of the day is that Kim lived to see another season. ;-)
That would be enough to make ANY grown man cry.
Posted by: mask2343
Man, they just cannot live up to the first season finale. The murder of Jack's wife was like TV history. Nobody expected anything like that to happen. So I'll forgive them that they cannot live up to that.
But this season had it's great moments. Twice I jumped off the couch and cheered (Nini getting shot, and Sherry getting shot) and once I was in total shock (Jack shot his boss). Great show in all.
Posted by: laria
quote:
Originally posted by brahman71
During the two minutes of the comercial break they managed to get Chase to the hospital--- retrieve the hand from the case with no worries about the virus escaping or the hand being contaminated -- and start the surgery on him to replace it?????
Well, the best I can guess is that the hospital was REALLY near to the school. :) But during that scene, Jack pulled the hand out of the cuff before he ran off down the hall with it, and he told the medical guys to go get Chase, so they would have grabbed him and the hand and taken him to the hospital. The hand was not in the fridge with the device.
Posted by: MacThor
So-so ending to a so-so season. Hit its stride towards the end, but went out with a whimper.
MedievalGuy is right....they need to flesh out the conspiracy more. They completely dropped it this season. I'll assume Nina's "buyer" is part of it. I can't imagine Saunders was at the top. Nina, Marie Wagner, and the assassin girl all somehow worked for the ringleader, and that went nowhere this season.
It was mentioned in a prior thread that on 24, good guys drive Fords and bad guys drive Chevys. Last night was no exception. Yes, I caught that CTU first described it as a light blue Malibu, then changed to light green. Odd the producers didn't.
A refrigerator doesn't seem all that secure to me. Maybe they mentioned the virus needing a certain minimum temp to disperse properly in an early episode, but I don't recall.
CTU has been bombed, had numerous escapes, and of course allows an agent's wife to kill their chief witness on the premises. Get some new damn security!
I think the writers may have some issues with women, and I'm bummed that Reiko is reportedly not coming back. Other than Michelle, (and perhaps Kate Wagner) every woman on this show has been either an idiot or a villian.
Posted by: jeff125va
I'm not surprised they didn't do a cliffhanger, they had one last year and then didn't really even do anything with it. We knew Palmer was going to live simply because we knew the actor was going to return, and we never really got any more info on it than that.
That was interesting that they identified the Chevy Malibu, I assume that Chevy would have to have paid for a product placement for that to occur, since they normally can't show labels on soda cans, etc. But why would they agree to have the bad guy drive their car if Ford wouldn't?
I wonder if Jack would be as "honored" to become better friends with the President if he knew how he obstructed justice, lied in a murder investigation, etc. all to further his own political career.
Why couldn't they have just gotten a few garbage bags and some duct tape to contain the virus? Not perfect, but probably sufficient for them to evacuate the building and bring in the biohazard crew. Couldn't have been much worse than a basic refrigerator.
I'm sure I'll watch again next season, but I'm really tempted not to. This season was just over the top with unrealistic scenarios. And the whole story line with the President, Sherry, and the Millikens was a complete waste of time, IMHO. It never tied in at all to the terrorist stuff, did it? I can suspend disbelief to a degree, but it got very distracting this season.
Posted by: Frank_M
I didn't consider the attempt on Palmer's life a "cliffhanger"... but I did consider a big, dramatic final moment. Obviously, Season One had one as well.
But I think that knowing they were coming back for Season Four... they were somewhat limited by what they could do at the end (especially if the intent wasn't to do a cliffhanger).
So with all that said, I liked the scene of Jack sort of trying to process what a ridiculous 24 hours he'd just been through.
I was hopeful there'd be one last twist in the school, or at CTU or whatever... but still after a very poor start, it ended up being a pretty good season.
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
quote:
Originally posted by jeff125va
Why couldn't they have just gotten a few garbage bags and some duct tape to contain the virus? Not perfect, but probably sufficient for them to evacuate the building and bring in the biohazard crew. Couldn't have been much worse than a basic refrigerator.
That's what I was thinking--seal it around his wrist, and then worry about how to get it off him at their leisure.
Posted by: newsposter
quote:
Originally posted by jeff125va
I wonder if Jack would be as "honored" to become better friends with the President if he knew how he obstructed justice, lied in a murder investigation, etc. all to further his own political career.
I'm sure the prez is just as honored to have to humbly pardon a heroin addict that broke a federal criminal out of jail :) Or did they think we would forget about that.
Posted by: IndyJones1023
quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
That's what I was thinking--seal it around his wrist, and then worry about how to get it off him at their leisure.
Too risky. I know if was a small explosion to pop the vial, but flying glass chunks could have perforated the plastic bag.
Posted by: dkroboth
I thought that their was a fish tank in the room. I could swear I either saw or heard just before Chase got hit for the first time. Can't figure out why they just didn't dunk his hand in there.
Posted by: IndyJones1023
quote:
Originally posted by dkroboth
I thought that their was a fish tank in the room. I could swear I either saw or heard just before Chase got hit for the first time. Can't figure out why they just didn't dunk his hand in there.
Again, too risky. What if the powder mixed with the water and infected Chase? They had no idea what this virus does or how it works or what it's capable of. It's not outside the realm of possibility. At least the "24" realm.
Posted by: allan
Well, I saw Mrs Gael's shooting Saunders a mile away. Ditto for chopping off Chase's hand. And - a refrigerator? Well, I guess it's better than nothing. I loved Jack's tears at the end. With what he's been through, there would be something wrong with him if he DIDN'T lose it! This show certainly had flaws, but I still liked it!
Posted by: pmyers
Well I thought this episode wa great. When Jack looked back at that fire axe I was like "holy crap". My only problem with the episode was why didn't they evacuate the school once they had the "bomb" in their possesion?
Posted by: ruexp67
The fish tank idea would not have worked. Anyone who has farted in a bathtub understands why not. The virus is in a gas form and would simply bubble up to the top.
Several layers of plastic bags and good ol' fashioned duct tape would likely have worked just fine.
The refrigerator? Pretty weak.
Why have only two agents search the entire school?
Ok, last season ended with a "cliffhanger" of sorts, but they NEVER did ANYTHING with it. "Oh, look it's the president and he has a scar on his hand." VERY weak.
I really liked the idea of the real-time aspect and I wish they would settle down a little, take their time and map everything out. Tie-up all the loose ends (or at least some of them) and the tell one cohesive story. The Salazars to Saunders was too much for one day, and it showed.
How much worse would it have been for Chase has he attached the case to his "good" hand. Shot in one hand, and had the other chopped off. That would make for a BAAAAD day.
Posted by: Figaro
Yeah what was up with the refrigerator? I don't know about fancy teachers lounge fridges but mine is anything but air tight, especially when it comes to weaponized particles.
Posted by: BitbyBlit
quote:
Originally posted by jeff125va
And the whole story line with the President, Sherry, and the Millikens was a complete waste of time, IMHO. It never tied in at all to the terrorist stuff, did it? I can suspend disbelief to a degree, but it got very distracting this season.
That's what I was thinking until last night when the President told Jack he would not be running for reelection. Without that story line, the President's decision to not run at best would not have had the same impact, and at worst would have seemed off, out of character, and something the writers made up just to get Palmer out of office (as opposed to something the writers made up to give him a story :D).
Posted by: IndyJones1023
quote:
Originally posted by Figaro
Yeah what was up with the refrigerator? I don't know about fancy teachers lounge fridges but mine is anything but air tight, especially when it comes to weaponized particles.
Get a better fridge, dude. Mine says "Safe for Weaponized Particles" right below the efficiency sticker.
:D
Posted by: pmyers
So what does everybody think next year's story will be about? I predict that it will be an "International incident" and not be on U.S soil at all. I think we will also find out that Saunders had backers or was working with another group....perhaps the "German Group" we have been talking about for 3 years.
Posted by: ScottE22
quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
That's what I was thinking--seal it around his wrist, and then worry about how to get it off him at their leisure.
Forgive my forgetfulness, but did we establish that it had to be breathed or could you be infected through the skin?
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
quote:
Originally posted by ruexp67
The fish tank idea would not have worked. Anyone who has farted in a bathtub understands why not. The virus is in a gas form and would simply bubble up to the top.
Actually, it's in a powder form...
Posted by: IndyJones1023
Regarding next year: with Palmer stepping down, I think it's the perfect opportunity for him to finally be targeted by the German Group once and for all, and Jack is called upon to protect him. They are on the run and there is much action and maybe a cougar or two.
Posted by: ruexp67
quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Actually, it's in a powder form...
Perhaps, but the "Deployment device" seemed to be using an aerosol delivery. IT would create gas bubbles and carry the powder out. Mabey not a lot, but certianly some.
Posted by: ruexp67
quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
So what does everybody think next year's story will be about? I predict that it will be an "International incident" and not be on U.S soil at all.
I have no idea what it will be about, but I believe it will take place in LA. It would take too long to get Jack to Germany once the action started. (9 hours of real-time Jack sitting on a plane would make for a SLOW start.)
While they could just start with Jack in Germany, their explaination of why he were there would require some type of "flash-back" or explaination which IMHO detracts from the show's premise of *ahem* real-time action.
Damn, I wish they would get better with the real-time aspect instead of worse. :(
Posted by: windracer
quote:
I was surprised at first when they identified the courier's vehicle as a Chevy Mailibu. Ford's had a serious lock on all the vehicles.
I think the message here is that bad guys and international terrorists drive Chevys, but the good guys drive Fords. :)
Posted by: ireland967
quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
My only problem with the episode was why didn't they evacuate the school once they had the "bomb" in their possesion?
I was thinking the same thing. Once they fought off their enemy, i kept waiting and waiting for someone to at least make a call, last i heard the only announcement was for everyone in the school to stay in their classroom and lock the door. The nearly 4 minutes left on the bomb may likely have been enough time to evacuate.
Posted by: efilippi
I still don't understand what the whole season was about. :confused:
Somebody/group had made a suitcase full of virus. They put it out for auction, apparently just in it for the money. There were three (?) active bidders with huge, deep pockets. I'm afraid I no longer remember, did Saunders buy the virus or steal it? I recall that the Salazars had cash, as did the dapper guy and Nina, but did dapper guy work for Saunders or did he just get ripped off by him?
After much bloodshed and money changing hands, Saunders, an ex-CIA/CTU/NSA or something guy with a strong feeling of having been betrayed, gets the case of virus. He has umptey ump people working for him, all apparently ready and willing to die without a whimper (what on earth was the final bad guy going to get out of this, anyway? He signed his death warrant by triggering the device so I guess he was just jumping on his sword.) But since the demonstration in the hotel didn't get the desired effect, they were now just in a kill everybody mode.
Whatever it was Saunders wanted, I guess just to force America to 'change for the better' or something, he was willing to say never mind after the slightest threat to his estranged daughter. What a wimp.
Maybe all will become clear after Jack interrogates all the couriers and they tell their stories. Might be an interesting hour show, sometime in the Summer!
Posted by: oski87
I'd bet that its realistic for a fridge to contain virtually all of the virus (hey, it didnt infect anyone outside the hotel after all), but I'm guessing that the middle school will be closed for a while! No air circulation inside of the fridge, after all.
I thought this was a great conclusion. Jack's breakdown- and then having to suck it up and get back to work- was great. The prez plotline no longer seemed pointless. Even the damned baby seemed relevent! No loose ends IMO-- Tony, off to jail (I'll bet dollars to donuts that he's back next year with a pardon, and the crisis/event of the day requires his skills), Chase, moving on. Kim, moving on? Jack, the rock, back to it after allowing himself a small moment. Palmer, a broken man, going through the motions as a lame-duck prez. Excellent. Wonder if Wayne will get a Christmas card this year from his big brother?
My only complaint is the bit w/ Gael's wife. Lame and unneeded. The last courier couldve simply made his escape from the subway before Saunders ID'd him.
Posted by: desulliv
quote:
Originally posted by Newsposter
Must you be convicted and sentenced to be pardoned? Or just when you do something bad can the prez say it's ok?
Ford pardoned Nixon to avoid criminal charges and subsequent trials.
Posted by: newsposter
quote:
Originally posted by windracer
I think the message here is that bad guys and international terrorists drive Chevys, but the good guys drive Fords. :)
and guess who's having more fun
Posted by: newsposter
quote:
Originally posted by desulliv
Ford pardoned Nixon to avoid criminal charges and subsequent trials.
darn, i gotta get me one of them pardon thingies! to not even go to trial is a pretty good deal
Posted by: MacThor
Obviously this took place in early fall as we were in Presidential Debate season, but school was in session. And with the threat level at red, WHY were the kids in school again? I know, it's "24-land" but if we ever got to Red status NOBODY would congregate in a large group, and school would be out.
BTW, our silly local Fox weatherwoman cut in on part of our show last night, despite having a side AND top weather scroll going throughout the ENTIRE first segment of the show. This happened at the end of the first commercial break. When we return to "regular programming" Wayne is in David's LA office and David asks him if he got the bottle. What did we miss if anything?
Posted by: Frank_M
Season 4 prediction:
President Palmer is wrapping up his term. "Just two months until retirement" he says to anyone who will listen.
Jack meanwhile, had a breakdown that we saw begin at the end of the season. He is committed to a psych ward. After he gets out, no one will work with him.
However, owing him his life many times over, Palmer allows the loose-cannon Jack to move into the White House with him. Hilarity ensues!
Then... somehow the two of them are asked to protect Joe Pesci, who is a witness against the German group, and many chases through the streets of LA follow, with President Palmer screaming "I'm just two months from retirement" several times.
Oh, and the Pesci character gets screwed when the drive through at a fast food restaurant messes up his order, and complains about it endlessly.
Something like that.
Posted by: f0gax
quote:
Originally posted by Sven
Bah that was just lame. Fill a sink with water or dunk the device in the fish tank. Air tight, and no one loses a limb or their lunches. Just a dead fish (maybe). Maybe it's just me but I thought that was an obvious solution.
The wife shooting Saunders was also stupid as hell. The wife comes into the husbands work literally hours since he died. Civillians are allowed inside a government security building? Guns are just laying around unchecked? Why does the "IT Guy" need not just 1 guns but 2 and 1 in his desk (assuming he had one with him at the hotel which I imagine he did but can't recall for certain)?
I can suspend only so much reality. Right now I don't rate this season very high. Maybe by next season I'll have forgotten how silly this last episode was.
And that she was let in while a national security crisis was still going on.
Just like, no matter what, the President would have been in Air Force One the second the secret service knew there was any kind of threat. Regardless of how strong he wanted to look to the nation.
Posted by: dkroboth
That Jack is a friggin' lethal weapon with a hand axe.
Posted by: Graymalkin
Thanks for the laugh, Frank_M, ya sly dog.
Posted by: vman
I especially liked how Tony was the ONLY person who could "coordinate" the search for the escaped courier. Yo Michelle -- how hard is it to ask Adam to id license plates and monitor where a few backup SUVs are?
Posted by: Frank_M
Hey, give Tony a break. Just a few hours ago he was shot in the neck and lay dying in a hospital bed. He had a rough day.
That, and after three seasons, he still hasn't had any luck with the 10-week learn-at-home course "How to stop mumbling and speak like a human."
Posted by: LoadStar
I just finished watching... that was it? Last season ended with the huge shootout at Olympic Stadium... and this season ended with... what... Jack crying? Meh.
Posted by: smak
Yah, kind of strange that the big villain of the story would be caught in episode 22...
-smak-
Posted by: buffan
Here's an idea: The producers could get rid of all those complaints about the ridiculous timelines by leaving the title as "24", but changing it to be days or weeks instead of hours. (If somebody else already posted that idea, sorry!!)
The continuity issues are becoming larger every episode/season. It's become distracting for an otherwise very good series.
Posted by: LoadStar
quote:
Originally posted by buffan
Here's an idea: The producers could get rid of all those complaints about the ridiculous timelines by leaving the title as "24", but changing it to be days or weeks instead of hours. (If somebody else already posted that idea, sorry!!)
The continuity issues are becoming larger every episode/season. It's become distracting for an otherwise very good series.
It is still going to be 24 hours next season. It should (hopefully) be better next season, with 6 months to plan the storyline.
Posted by: EchoBravo
quote:
I was surprised at first when they identified the courier's vehicle as a Chevy Mailibu. Ford's had a serious lock on all the vehicles.
Not to beat this car thing to death, but am I the only one who saw someone from CTU (maybe even Jack) in a silver Hyundai XG 350 several weeks back. I thought it was an odd choice at the time, but even moreso now that I remember the rest of the vehicles are product placements.
Posted by: zyzzx
quote:
Originally posted by MacThor
BTW, our silly local Fox weatherwoman cut in on part of our show last night, despite having a side AND top weather scroll going throughout the ENTIRE first segment of the show.
Absolutely horrible. :down: That was the most annoying thing I've seen on TV in awhile. I don't care about the weather and if I did I'd turn on The Weather Channel or look it up on the net. I especially don't care about yesterday's weather when I'm watching the show a day later. :D
:down: To Fox5 in DC.
Posted by: IJustLikeTivo
Well. I did not like it either but one of the things public stations are supposed to do is issue that kind of alert. There was a possibility of a tornado and they sign a license to act in the public interest as part of the station license they get. I do think there are less intrusive ways to do it but it could be worse. All but 10 min of NCIS was preempted. (Have not checked to see if the 1:37 showing worked)
Posted by: scottjf8
Was I the only one that noticed when Julia shot herself, when the camera showed her going down, there was NO blood, brains, etc... ?
At least make it look real - put some ketchup on her hair or something :)
Posted by: Steveknj
Well, here's my thoughts
Very disappointed in this season, and although it got better in the last few weeks, the ending was just too far fetched to be satisfying, here's why:
Gael's wife shooting Saunders: First of all, with a major crisis going on, why the heck was she there in the first place!! And why did she have a gun? After all, this takes place in one day's span, she could have been told tomorrow. And Kim then getting called away by Chloe because "I can choose anyone I want, and I choose you" just is plain stupid. You KNEW that once Kim got pulled away, that Gael's wife was going to kill Saunders.
The whole thing with the villain running in the school made no sense either, the way it was done. First of all, the villain could have simply said "Let me go, or I'll release the virus in the school". They would have had to let him go or infect the whole school, and everyone else. Then, there didn't seem to be enough people to watch all the exits there. And why didn't they evacuate the school instead of making an announcement that they should stay locked in the classroom? If the virus was released, they all would have been dead. I could buy the Chase thing, just couldn't buy him in the hospital so quickly getting his wrist reattached.
I think the whole President plot was unnecessary, except to give hm a reason to BE on the show. Those who say it tied into his resigning, I answer to that, that there was no need for him to resign. It would have been more interesting if somehow Millikan was involved with the virus, or Sherry, instead of two seperate plot lines. And trust me, with a national security threat like that, the Prez would have been holed up somewhere with his advisors, not worrying about Milikan right then and there.
It seemed to me that they tried to cram way too much into 24 hours this season. I didn't like the whole Mexican connection at the beginning. My thought is they could have started the plot line with Saunders stealing the virus and then spread out everything else for the rest of the day. They could have had to send out agents to find all the viles, hunt for Saunders etc.
That said, I'm sure I'll watch again next year and hope for the best.
Posted by: jeff125va
quote:
Originally posted by MacThor
BTW, our silly local Fox weatherwoman cut in on part of our show last night, despite having a side AND top weather scroll going throughout the ENTIRE first segment of the show. This happened at the end of the first commercial break. When we return to "regular programming" Wayne is in David's LA office and David asks him if he got the bottle. What did we miss if anything?
Yet another reason to get HDTV (well, EDTV in this case). No interruption or even top and side alerts on the DTV channel. Didn't miss any of NCIS either, which apparently was almost completely pre-empted.
Posted by: jeff125va
quote:
Originally posted by ScottE22
Forgive my forgetfulness, but did we establish that it had to be breathed or could you be infected through the skin?
I believe it had to be breathed, which would be consistent with setting the first one off near the hotel's HVAC blower. I stilll think they could have used garbage bags and duct tape, 3 or 4 multi-ply bags would have done the trick long enough for the hazmat guys to get there. If true, it would really suck for Chase to realize that later though, huh?
Posted by: dr_mal
quote:
Originally posted by jeff125va
Yet another reason to get HDTV (well, EDTV in this case). No interruption or even top and side alerts on the DTV channel. Didn't miss any of NCIS either, which apparently was almost completely pre-empted.
While that usually works, there was one episode of 24 this year where our local Fox station cut the EDTV feed, put the SD feed (stretched to "fit" 16:9) on the digital channel, and then squeezed it up to the top 3/4 of the screen so they could scroll a warning about snow or some silly thing on the bottom. Horrible, horrible distortion. They're the only station I've seen in Denver do anything like that. The other stations tend to leave their digital channel alone during "important" bulletins. At least for now...
Posted by: Supfreak26
quote:
Originally posted by ruexp67
How much worse would it have been for Chase has he attached the case to his "good" hand. Shot in one hand, and had the other chopped off. That would make for a BAAAAD day.
As if his day wasn't bad enough? He was tortured nearly to death, shot straight through his hand, had his secret daughter exposed to all, had to confront Jack about dating Kim, got beat up again, and then had his hand chopped off!!
I think I'd consider giving up field ops as well!! :)
As for the rest of this ep, I thought it was a bit anti-climatic after the intensity of the last 10 eps or so. Not the big ending it should have been. I agree with a previous poster that it should have been a 2 hour finale. That would have been a lot better.
I like Jack crying at the end. Call me a big old wuss but I was nearly crying with him. hehe... Anyone else get the feeling like he was seriously contemplating retirement there at the end? Just think of what we've seen him go through in the 3 24-hour periods the show has covered. And then imagine what Jack would go through in his many YEARS of service. I'd be a bonafide nutcase! :)
I like how they handled the "bomb" scene. I was expecting the typical "grit-our-teeth-and-hope-we-snip-the-right-color-wire" bomb scene. And I really expected the bomb squad to call at the last moment. The moment when the axe came down I was like "holy sh*t!!"
Gotta give 24 credit for not going with the same old boring TV endings. You never know what's going to happen or who's going to die. This season was certainly the worst for them but still 90% better than all the crap that's out there now.
I'm looking forward to season 4. Especially with Sherri dead.
Or is she? :eek:
Posted by: pmyers
quote:
Originally posted by Supfreak26
As if his day wasn't bad enough? He was tortured nearly to death, shot straight through his hand, had his secret daughter exposed to all, had to confront Jack about dating Kim, got beat up again, and then had his hand chopped off!!...
you forgot about him cauterizing his wound with the hot cattle prod!
Posted by: hearth
quote:
Originally posted by jeff125va
I believe it had to be breathed, which would be consistent with setting the first one off near the hotel's HVAC blower. I stilll think they could have used garbage bags and duct tape, 3 or 4 multi-ply bags would have done the trick long enough for the hazmat guys to get there. If true, it would really suck for Chase to realize that later though, huh?
Yeah, if they would have had all day to figure out a solution! Remember, they only had 3 minutes to figure out what to do, and they were limited to whatever was in a high school chemistry lab, and was quickly findable.
Besides, until the last 90 seconds or so, they were busy trying to defuse the thing. They did not know that they needed to improvise until the "experts" crapped out on them.
Posted by: MacThor
quote:
Originally posted by jeff125va
Yet another reason to get HDTV (well, EDTV in this case). No interruption or even top and side alerts on the DTV channel. Didn't miss any of NCIS either, which apparently was almost completely pre-empted.
Well that was my intent, but I was getting <30 signal strength from Fox on Tuesday night, I'm guessing due to the storms. DirecTV Fox came in just fine.
I don't mind the scrolls, and if they have to be on the whole show so be it. But to have the weatherperson come on the air on top of that, AFTER a commercial break has ended, to read us what is on the friggin scrolls already, is ridiculous. They tease the 10 O'Clock news on every commercial break, if the biggest news is the weather, use that time.
Posted by: Ladd Morse
quote:
Originally posted by Supfreak26
I like how they handled the "bomb" scene. I was expecting the typical "grit-our-teeth-and-hope-we-snip-the-right-color-wire" bomb scene. And I really expected the bomb squad to call at the last moment.
I was happy just to see a digital countdown timer that wasn't red! :)
It was icing on the cake that they didn't go with the worn-out "disarm it by cutting the correct wire with only one second left" scenario.
Posted by: bluenoise
It didn't seem like a finale to me, but I enjoyed it anyway. Thoughts:
- Why are there so many stupid cops/security guards in 24's world? The cop in the subway didn't realize one of his 10 people wandered off? Fire him.
- Why was Gael's wife wandering through the high-security area during a crisis?
- Why wasn't Saunders locked in a secure room with a terminal instead of on the main floor?
- I couldn't understand why they were trying to disarm the bomb (or "dis-arm" Chase) when the wastebasket no doubt had a trash bag in it that could contain the pop.
- Someone needs to put a note on the 'fridge advising the teachers their lunches are now ruined.
- When the CTU vehicles roadblocked the fleeing courier, why didn't they spew 20-30 pounds of high-speed lead through his windshield?
- During most operations, Jack and his crew are in realtime, full-duplex communication with each other via their earbuds. Why wasn't he and Chase linked that way while searching the school? He would've immediately heard Chase had found the courier and could've helped.
- Why did the device have a cuff on it? Was it always meant to be cuffed to someone?
- During Jack's cry, I told my wife he was only doing it to show his acting range ("Now, for my Emmy moment...").
- The president showed some seriously poor judgment all season. He should've beaten Wayne senseless at the end there.
- When Palmer told Jack that the nation owes him a great debt, I wanted Jack to say, "Can I have that in small bills, please?"
Posted by: Bardman
- Someone needs to put a note on the 'fridge advising the teachers their lunches are now ruined. :D :D :D
I was thinking something similar in that the last scene would be a teacher standing in front of the fridge with the door open yelling something like "who sprayed stuff in here? you ruined my tupperware!"
Posted by: twilson777
2 Things:
Didn't the virus get out into LA??
Message to Jack, you could have cut Chase's thumb off and slipped his hand out.
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
quote:
Originally posted by twilson777
2 Things:
Didn't the virus get out into LA??
Message to Jack, you could have cut Chase's thumb off and slipped his hand out.
No.
Yes, but thumbs are a lot harder to reattach than hands.
Posted by: Crrink
quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Yes, but thumbs are a lot harder to reattach than hands.
They are??
I'd guess reattaching a single digit would be a lot easier than reattaching a whole hand.
Posted by: laria
quote:
Originally posted by twilson777
Didn't the virus get out into LA??
Yeah they kind of abandoned that storyline. There was the cheating husband who ran into the lady at the drug store and then into all the people at the emergency room. They were talking about identifying all the potentially infected people from that, but then they never really followed up on it, except maybe a passing mention a few episodes back.
Posted by: jeff125va
quote:
Originally posted by laria
Yeah they kind of abandoned that storyline. There was the cheating husband who ran into the lady at the drug store and then into all the people at the emergency room. They were talking about identifying all the potentially infected people from that, but then they never really followed up on it, except maybe a passing mention a few episodes back.
That's RIGHT! I totally forgot about that guy! I can't BELIEVE they just abandoned that.
Posted by: Frank_M
quote:
Originally posted by Bardman
- Someone needs to put a note on the 'fridge advising the teachers their lunches are now ruined. :D :D :D
I was thinking something similar in that the last scene would be a teacher standing in front of the fridge with the door open yelling something like "who sprayed stuff in here? you ruined my tupperware!"
Unlikely. NOTHING ruins tupperware. When nearly all life on the planet is destroyed by a meteor, nuclear weapons, aliens or whatever other mindless action movie device you want to imagine... all that will be left is cockroaches, and tupperware.
Posted by: newsposter
quote:
Originally posted by Frank_M
Unlikely. NOTHING ruins tupperware. When nearly all life on the planet is destroyed by a meteor, nuclear weapons, aliens or whatever other mindless action movie device you want to imagine... all that will be left is cockroaches, and tupperware.
and Jack Bauer, ruler of the world, who has conquered all there is to be conquered
Posted by: crowfan
A few things really bothered me:
-- The whole Guyel's wife killing Saunders thing. Really ridiculous.
-- How was the courier able to kill 2 armed cops (in the subway tunnel) with just a knife? And I agree with bluenoise, how did he get away in the first place?
-- If all it took to start the countdown on the vial dispersal thingy was pushing a button, why didn't he just push the button out on the street or whenever? It seemed a little too "TV" that he waited until our brave heroes were there to take care of it.
Overall, it's still one of the best shows on TV. These things just annoyed me.
crow
Posted by: windracer
quote:
That's RIGHT! I totally forgot about that guy! I can't BELIEVE they just abandoned that.
Wow, I forgot about that too. They tried to corner him at the hospital and lost him, right? Maybe that's the tie in to Day 4.
Posted by: crowfan
Did he get away? I thought he stayed there. I kind of just assumed that he was taken care of (quaratined, etc.) when he got to the hospital. It's still a pretty weak storyline though.
crow
Posted by: jeff125va
quote:
Originally posted by crowfan
Did he get away? I thought he stayed there. I kind of just assumed that he was taken care of (quaratined, etc.) when he got to the hospital. It's still a pretty weak storyline though.
crow
HE was quarantined, but he had come into contact with a bunch of people - a few at the drugstore, couple other places on the way to the hospital.
Posted by: MattDing
Warning: Detailed spoilers ahead.
quote:
Originally posted by crowfan
Did he get away? I thought he stayed there. I kind of just assumed that he was taken care of (quaratined, etc.) when he got to the hospital. It's still a pretty weak storyline though.
He was quarantined at the hospital, but prior to getting there he went home and stopped at the drug store, spewing bloody droplets all the while.
As for the last courier setting off the device on the street, I remember Saunders saying he was a "wild card", the only courier without a set target. His job was to find the best "target of opportunity" where there were a large group of people hanging out. That would rule out just a random street detonation, but not for triggering it immediately when you knew you were cornered in the school. That's a pretty well populated target to me for a blown mission.
Also, to clarify something I read earlier in the thread, Saunders had nothing at all to do with the auction. Amador (sp?) was the man that ran the auction. He was also Saunders' supplier for the virus. Amador just took the opportunity to "stage" an auction while he had the real thing in his possession and bank some extra coin on the side. If you remember, he pocketed the real virus and left the fake vial that blew up and killed Salazaar. He then took the real virus to Saunders, who looked very unkindly on Amador's activities. (Remember his "payment"). So, basically, the Salazaar/auction arc had nothing to do with the virus release plot, it was only a way for CTU to have a head start in tracking the virus.
Edited to add virus info and spoiler alert.
Posted by: ruexp67
quote:
Originally posted by newsposter
and Jack Bauer, ruler of the world, who has conquered all there is to be conquered
And the mysterious Germans that we never know anything about, setting up some goofy-ass plot to get him rather than just shooting him in the head when he goes to buy coffee.
Next Seson on 24! Real-time action occurs for the first time when the writers cannot be bothered to write 24HOURS of cohesive material so they write 24SECONDS of real-time action where Jack Bauer gets shot in the head buying coffee. (Of course, there turns out to be multiple holes in the 24s timeline anyway, but we forgive them because Jack's cool.)
Posted by: Steveknj
quote:
Originally posted by ruexp67
And the mysterious Germans that we never know anything about, setting up some goofy-ass plot to get him rather than just shooting him in the head when he goes to buy coffee.
Next Seson on 24! Real-time action occurs for the first time when the writers cannot be bothered to write 24HOURS of cohesive material so they write 24SECONDS of real-time action where Jack Bauer gets shot in the head buying coffee. (Of course, there turns out to be multiple holes in the 24s timeline anyway, but we forgive them because Jack's cool.)
First hole: Well it looks like a Starbucks, but it says Dan's Gourmet coffee? It just doesn't work. LOL
Posted by: pkscout
quote:
Originally posted by dr_mal
I kept waiting for a big shock at the end. Not a cliffhanger, but a good shock like at the end of season one. I was all tensed up waiting to be kicked in the gut -- maybe Chase was working with the terrorists all along, maybe Michelle would kill herself feeling grief that Tony would be going to jail/executed for treason -- something like the end of hour 23, but it never happened.
I agree. I found myself hoping Michelle would pull out a gun, shoot Brad, and then the final scene would have included her and Tony slipping out of CTU to a vehicle. Then next season could have been Jack trying to capture the two of them. Instead, I almost fell asleep watching the last episode.
Posted by: MikeekiM
quote:
Originally posted by pkscout
I agree. I found myself hoping Michelle would pull out a gun, shoot Brad, and then the final scene would have included her and Tony slipping out of CTU to a vehicle. Then next season could have been Jack trying to capture the two of them. Instead, I almost fell asleep watching the last episode.
Hmmm...that would have been a good twist!
Posted by: CraigEagle
quote:
Originally posted by pkscout
I agree. I found myself hoping Michelle would pull out a gun, shoot Brad, and then the final scene would have included her and Tony slipping out of CTU to a vehicle. Then next season could have been Jack trying to capture the two of them. Instead, I almost fell asleep watching the last episode.
Sure but would it be a Ford or a Chevy? And what would Jack chase them in?
- Craig
Posted by: MacThor
Yes, the virus got out into LA. But they set up containment centers and had pretty much quarantined anyone they determined had been exposed. This included the CTU desk jockey's sister. It happened a little too easily, of course. But they didn't abandon it.
Posted by: bluenoise
Hopefully in next season's newly-designed CTU, they'll install some lights. We have to turn out all the lights in our room to watch the show as it's been for the past couple of seasons.
Posted by: keyzersoce
I'm sure next season will deal with Chase and Jack fighting off the bugs they caught at school. As any parent knows, you can't be around that many children without exposure to some germs. And I was shocked to see CTU wandering the school freely without a hall pass! Was there no school secuity?
Posted by: DougF
quote:
Originally posted by LoadStar
It is still going to be 24 hours next season. It should (hopefully) be better next season, with 6 months to plan the storyline.
I think most dramas start production in June/July and work through March/April. The later start for airing episodes probably won't affect the production schedule, so I doubt they'll have any more time for writing the next season than they did for last season.
Posted by: Mike20878
quote:
Originally posted by Jstkiddn
I dunno....I think it's very believable that Jack might break down crying at the end of all that. I personally liked that scene. It made Jack more human. Think about all he's been through in the past 24 hours. He's lost the woman he loves; he had to kill a fellow agent in cold blood; he came very close to sacrificing an innocent girl (Saunder's daughter); he had to chop off another agents hand.....the list goes on and on. All in all it was a pretty tough day.
But the worst part of the day is that Kim lived to see another season. ;-)
That would be enough to make ANY grown man cry.
Who's the woman he loves? Are you referring to Teri? She was killed four years ago, not this day.
Posted by: IndyJones1023
quote:
Originally posted by Mike20878
Who's the woman he loves? Are you referring to Teri? She was killed four years ago, not this day.
At the beginning of this season he ended his relationship with Kate from last year. They had a brief phone call while Jack was driving Chase somewhere early on.
Posted by: DreadPirateRob
quote:
Originally posted by Mike20878
Who's the woman he loves? Are you referring to Teri? She was killed four years ago, not this day.
The reference was to Claudia (pronounced CLOW-dia, naturally), Hector's wife/girlfriend/chica. The one who helped save Chase, and then got killed in the gun battle as Chase and the rest of her family (brother, dad?) escapied in a pickup truck.
Posted by: ronsch
quote:
Originally posted by Supfreak26
I like how they handled the "bomb" scene. I was expecting the typical "grit-our-teeth-and-hope-we-snip-the-right-color-wire" bomb scene. And I really expected the bomb squad to call at the last moment. The moment when the axe came down I was like "holy sh*t!!"
Personally I was expecting the bomb squad to call right after Jack chopped off the hand. "We know which wire it is!"
Posted by: ronsch
quote:
Originally posted by MacThor
Yes, the virus got out into LA. But they set up containment centers and had pretty much quarantined anyone they determined had been exposed. This included the CTU desk jockey's sister. It happened a little too easily, of course. But they didn't abandon it.
Perhaps that's where the body count made it over 1,000 since I think we were told the hotel had 800-some people in it.
Posted by: Mike20878
Oh, wouldn't there have been a vacuum chamber in a science classroom??
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