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large disk support for the HDR612? or v2.0 software?

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Posted by: dwx

there's been a lot of discussion regarding updating the TiVO kernel for large disk support...

does anyone know whether the HDR612 is going to be a single large disk, or a dual disk system?

if it's a large disk, then storage upgrades on the new unit could be as simple as blessing an 80GB maxtor drive http://www.avsforum.com/ubbtivo/wink.gif

alternately, does anyone know whether TiVo is planning to support large disks with 2.0 version of their software?

-dw


Posted by: srs


No one outside of TiVo knows for sure, and they aren't talking. We probably won't find out until 2.0 ships.

quote:
Originally posted by dwx:
there's been a lot of discussion regarding updating the TiVO kernel for large disk support...

does anyone know whether the HDR612 is going to be a single large disk, or a dual disk system?

if it's a large disk, then storage upgrades on the new unit could be as simple as blessing an 80GB maxtor drive http://www.avsforum.com/ubbtivo/wink.gif

alternately, does anyone know whether TiVo is planning to support large disks with 2.0 version of their software?

-dw





Posted by: dwx

ok, i'll rephrase the question http://www.avsforum.com/ubbtivo/wink.gif...

are there any TiVo insiders (from either TiVo or Philips) out there that can tell us:


  1. Do the HDR612s use 1 disk or 2?
  2. Does the TiVo 2.0 add support for >33.GB hard drives?
  3. When is the 2.0 software release scheduled to happen?


-dw



Posted by: Dan203

quote:
Originally posted by dwx:
does anyone know whether the HDR612 is going to be a single large disk, or a dual disk system?


From what little information is available it is assumed that the 60 hour unit will have dual 30GB drives. However until the unit is released, or more precise specs are made public we won't know for sure.

quote:
Originally posted by dwx:
When is the 2.0 software release scheduled to happen?


The only official responses we have gotten is that it will be before Halloween, and not to get are hopes up for an August release. The one thing I have gather from the information available is that the 60 hour unit will require 2.0, and since the 60 hour unit is slated for release in September we should have 2.0 by then to.

Dan

[This message has been edited by Dan203 (edited August 01, 2000).]


Posted by: timf

quote:
Originally posted by dwx:
are there any TiVo insiders (from either TiVo or Philips) out there that can tell us...
No matter how much you beg and plead with them, I'm sure you'll never get them to say anything.


Posted by: cc

Last I checked, the biggest Quantum lct was 30 gig. Unless that's changed, or is going to real fast, I'd say it'll be a dual drive.


Posted by: dwx

maxtor has 40GB, 60GB 5400RPM drives shipping now, and an 80GB 5400RPM drive due to ship this month...

-dw

quote:
Originally posted by cc:
Last I checked, the biggest Quantum lct was 30 gig. Unless that's changed, or is going to real fast, I'd say it'll be a dual drive.





Posted by: cc

quote:
Originally posted by dwx:
maxtor has 40GB, 60GB 5400RPM drives shipping now, and an 80GB 5400RPM drive due to ship this month...


Yes, I know, but Tivo uses the Quantums because of the Quickview stuff.. I don't see why that would change at this point.


Posted by: tom_h

Richard mentioned in a post that they were changing to a new disk drive or something like that...didnt say it was another quantum...so perhaps they are changing from quantums to something else.


Posted by: sorphin

Personally, i hope they do drop quantum, never been a real fan... and as for the quickview stuff, all it "REALLY" is, is the thermal recalibration bit.. as far as i know... there are no 'multiple heads to read/write at the same time'.. or whatever other rumors there have been.. while maxtor has had it's issues, my 2 61 gig drives have worked smoothly so far, and by far, i still consider WD the best (tho, until they have 60+ gig drives...)



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Posted by: T u r b o

quote:
Originally posted by sorphin:
Personally, i hope they do drop quantum, never been a real fan... and as for the quickview stuff, all it "REALLY" is, is the thermal recalibration bit.. as far as i know... there are no 'multiple heads to read/write at the same time'.. or whatever other rumors there have been.. while maxtor has had it's issues, my 2 61 gig drives have worked smoothly so far, and by far, i still consider WD the best (tho, until they have 60+ gig drives...)


Until recently, I would have agreed, but EVERY WD IDE drive (11 or 12 of them) I've bought since early 1998 has already been replaced at least once under warrenty. We have several older WD drives in the 2.5GB and under range from 1994-1997 and they're still running. The only good thing about WD is their warrenty turn-around time, which is much better than the other HDD manufacturers. With the amount of down time and lost data due to WD drives, I'll not be purchasing another one again.

The last 4 drives I've bought are IBM IDE drives, which are MUCH faster than WD drives, quieter, cooler, and come up to 75GB now... I also bought one Maxtor drive, to see what their recent reliability is like. I haven't had any of them long enough to test the long-term reliability of the drives, though. We do have an old IBM IDE from 1996 that still runs well, though.

I haven't bought a Quantum drive since 1995 or so, because of countless problems with their drives around that time, so I can't comment on their newest drives.

- Mike



Posted by: dwx

well... apparently quantum does have some larger drives coming out in september (at least for 7200RPM versions), maybe they will go with these new ones...

check out their press release here.

both don't hold your breath waiting for it http://www.avsforum.com/ubbtivo/wink.gif

our best hope is that the v2.0 software will support larger drives, but i haven't been able to get any confirmation about this from anyone.

-dw



Posted by: sorphin

well, if 2.0 doesn't i'll just patch 2.0 like i did 1.3 :P~

quote:
Originally posted by dwx:
well... apparently quantum does have some larger drives coming out in september (at least for 7200RPM versions), maybe they will go with these new ones...

check out their press release here.

both don't hold your breath waiting for it http://www.avsforum.com/ubbtivo/wink.gif

our best hope is that the v2.0 software will support larger drives, but i haven't been able to get any confirmation about this from anyone.

-dw




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Member of the #TiVo Enhancement Project
(Not to be confused with the SourceForge Group)


Posted by: VideoGrabber

Tom_H wrote:
> Richard mentioned in a post that they were changing to a new disk drive or something like that...didnt say it was another quantum...so perhaps they are changing from quantums to something else. <

No, the "new" drives are the 4400 rpm LCT15's. Still fast enough, but quieter, and with greater longevity. The 60-hour units will be dual Quantum drives.

sorphin writes:
> Personally, i hope they do drop quantum, never been a real fan... by far, i still consider WD the best... <

Interesting. My experience has been exactly the opposite. I've replaced more dead WDs for clients than I can count, and only one bad Quantum. I've still got several Quantums myself in fairly regular use after many years.

Turbo wrote:
> The last 4 drives I've bought are IBM IDE drives, which are MUCH faster than WD drives, quieter, cooler, and come up to 75GB now... <

I agree. I've got 4 of them myself.

> I also bought one Maxtor drive, to see what their recent reliability is like. I haven't had any of them long enough to test the long-term reliability of the drives, though. <

I have very limited experience with the Maxtors, primarily because they used to be noisy SOBs. But a respected associate claims they're quite reliable. Now that they're also quiet, they look like a good choice (especially the 60-gig DiamondMax).

> I haven't bought a Quantum drive since 1995 or so, because of countless problems with their drives around that time... <

Hmmm. It just occurred to me that much of my good experience over the years with Quantums has been with their SCSI drives, I haven't used more than a couple of their IDEs (plus the ones in my TiVos http://www.avsforum.com/ubbtivo/smile.gif). I do remember reading in the newsgroups at one time that Quantum had a really bad production run that pumped out boatloads of problem drives. I wasn't buying them at the time and didn't get burned. I'd probably feel differently if I had.

I'll probably be buying at least half a dozen LCT drives soon, so I certainly hope they're decent.

dwx commented:
> ...our best hope is that the v2.0 software will support larger drives, but i haven't been able to get any confirmation about this from anyone. <

My guess would be, no. There's no real reason for them to, since they won't be releasing any >60-hour units for some time, and they have lots of other high-priority things to do than mess with kernel code that's currently working fine. Plus, fixing the kernel now would do nothing more than allow self-upgraders to leapfrog TiVo's released model capacities.

But it would be a nice gift.

- Tim


[This message has been edited by VideoGrabber (edited August 02, 2000).]


Posted by: Dan203

TiVo and Quantum have an exclusive deal, so the drive(s) will be Quantum for sure. The only real question is will the 60/72GB Quantum drives be available in time for the 60 hour release. I personally doubt that Philips would release a consumer level product like TiVo with a brand new, untested drive, but who knows. Maybe a few months down the road they will switch to a single 60GB drive when they are cheaper and more widely available.

Dan


Posted by: DBCooper

quote:
Originally posted by cc:
Yes, I know, but Tivo uses the Quantums because of the Quickview stuff.. I don't see why that would change at this point.


Quantum announced some time ago they would ship a 60gb drive this Fall. It's due any day. There was even some speculation that the ship date for the 60gb TiVo was tied to it.

However, Maxtor recently announced a large contract to supply drives to ReplayTV for their 60-hour units.



Posted by: mikebridge

quote:
Originally posted by dwx:
[*]Does the TiVo 2.0 add support for >33.GB hard drives?
[/list]
-dw


i was under the understanding that the current version (1.3) supported large drives already (or else how did people upgrade 14 hour units to 93 hours?)



Posted by: Gultig

quote:
Originally posted by Dan203:
The only official responses we have gotten is that it will be before Halloween, and not to get are hopes up for an August release. The one thing I have gather from the information available is that the 60 hour unit will require 2.0, and since the 60 hour unit is slated for release in September we should have 2.0 by then to.


A few days later this came from Richard...

quote:
Originally posted by TiVolutionary:
Niether the 20 or 60 hour TiVos will initially ship with 2.0.
-RB


Just for those who didn't know. http://www.avsforum.com/ubbtivo/redface.gif

Gultig

[This message has been edited by Gultig (edited 09-22-2000).]


Posted by: [tron]

quote:
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Originally posted by dwx:
When is the 2.0 software release scheduled to happen?
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The only official responses we have gotten is that it will be before Halloween, and not to get are hopes up for an August release. The one thing I have gather from the information available is that the 60 hour unit will require 2.0, and since the 60 hour unit is slated for release in September we should have 2.0 by then to.

Dan

[This message has been edited by Dan203 (edited August 01, 2000).]


Given that Halloween has come and gone, has anyone got any more recent information regarding the release of 2.0?

[tron]


[This message has been edited by [tron] (edited 11-02-2000).]


Posted by: casagw

Direct Tivo is supposed to be available on Nov 28 according to Amazon.Com. Also, according to the Tivo website, it has a feature "Create Wishlist" that is not in the 1.3 software.

Just a guess, but I would think that Direct Tivo comes with 2.0 and the rest of us will get it by the ship date of Nov 28. Hey, I could be wrong, but it sounds plausible.


Posted by: mbm

DirecTiVo has already shipped and has been available for weeks now. There's a whole forum just for it.

The 2.0 that shipped with DTs will not work with the standalones -- the hardware is substantially different. It's not a stretch to say that the need to get DT out the door with 2.0 delayed the effort for 2.0 for the standalones (and I understand why they would do this).

Best guess currently is that 2.0 will be out at the beginnning of 2001 for the general public. RB has stated that members of this forum will be able to get it earlier. It will be an opt-in (email your serial number or enter on a webpage, etc.) like 1.3 was. Some people (well at least me) are hoping we may see it by the end of November, but don't get your hopes up.



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Posted by: pschum

Trying to get back to the original questions --

quote:
Originally posted by dwx:
ok, i'll rephrase the question http://www.avsforum.com/ubbtivo/wink.gif...

are there any TiVo insiders (from either TiVo or Philips) out there that can tell us:


  1. Do the HDR612s use 1 disk or 2?
  2. Does the TiVo 2.0 add support for >33.GB hard drives?
  3. When is the 2.0 software release scheduled to happen?


-dw


1) I don't have the link, but I've read somewhere in this forum that, until the prices for larger [quantum] drives go down, the 612s will ship with 2 30GB drives.
2) There never was a large-disk-support problem in 1.3 and probably even earlier versions.
3) As many have stated before, 2.0 will release when it's ready. Be patient.

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Posted by: Dr. Zed

This post shouldn't have been resurrected just to ask when 2.0 will be released. It contains inaccurate information (due to it's age) and it will only cause confusion.

Please don't respond to three month old questions...

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[This message has been edited by an infinite number of monkeys (edited 10-24-2000).]


Posted by: tom_h

Hmm. We chide folks for not searching/reading through old posts before asking a question, then we do it for people who do that and ask questions about what they're reading?

How about we pick one?


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Posted by: [tron]

Yep - sorry for resurrecting an old topic, but Tom is right - I was doing some major searching yesterday and found that thread. I didn't want to post something that had already been posted and discussed as nauseum, so I just threw out the reply to the thread. Sorry if this caused stale data to resurface...

[tron]




Posted by: DJRobX

quote:

The last 4 drives I've bought are IBM IDE drives, which are MUCH faster than WD drives, quieter, cooler, and come up to 75GB now... I also bought one Maxtor drive, to see what their recent reliability is like. I haven't had any of them long enough to test the long-term reliability of the drives, though. We do have an old IBM IDE from 1996 that still runs well, though.


I second that. I was a Western Digital guy until I got my first IBM drive. I've found the IBM drives to be consistently way faster than the WD drives. The WD drives, in turn, always "felt" much faster than Quantums or Maxtors, perhaps due to a better embedded cache.

Quantum SCSI drives were great performers, but I've had 3 of those drives (bought over a period of a couple years) go back because of bad bearings.

I haven't had any issues with the 4 IBM drives I've bought over the past couple years.



Posted by: ADent

quote:
Originally posted by dwx:
there's been a lot of discussion regarding updating the TiVO kernel for large disk support...
Apparently most of it was bogus since at least 1.3.x and if people are upgrading virgin HDR112 then 1.2.x has large disk support.

quote:
does anyone know whether the HDR612 is going to be a single large disk, or a dual disk system?
Most likely two drives. The 60GB Quantums are not available in qty yet, though with Maxtor and Quantum merging who knows. Most likely early units will be dual drive and as the supply of big drives become availble they will switch to a single drive unit.

quote:
if it's a large disk, then storage upgrades on the new unit could be as simple as blessing an 80GB maxtor drive http://www.avsforum.com/ubbtivo/wink.gif
True

quote:
alternately, does anyone know whether TiVo is planning to support large disks with 2.0 version of their software?
Yes they will support big disks in 2.0 (like 1.3, etc).

Last word from TiVolutionary was that 2.0 will not be released this year. Some members from this board may join an early release program (final candidate, gamma testing?) that may be start around Thanksgiving. If s**t happens things will be delayed from there.





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