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Are you happy with 2.0.1 Z15/16 upgrade?
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Posted by: Dr. Tivo

Just was wondering what everyone that has the 2.0.1 upgrade thinks of it?

Pros:
I have 2.0.1 Z16 and like all the features included. SP's Manager is a great improvement.

Cons:
I am having problems with freezing and studders. No idea what is causing it.

Model: Philips HDR112 with 60gb Maxtor installed.

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Posted by: porkenstein

I have only had it for a day but love the new features, especially being able to add time on the end of an event. I have had no problems of any kind since the download.

Posted by: Endymion

No freezes or studders here. Love the new features. Wish the fast forward worked the same as 1.3. Wish there was a wishlist for writers as well.

John

Posted by: tcb_only_one

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Originally posted by Dr. Tivo:

I am having problems with freezing and studders. No idea what is causing it.

I noticed the blip's as well in Z16 where every couple of hours the tivo pauses for about a quarter second and then resumes, however if you rewind the video there will be no such blip.. ( I think there was another message on the board about this already )

Model: Philips HDR212 with 45gb WD installed.

Posted by: Advisor

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Originally posted by Endymion:
Wish there was a wishlist for writers as well.

John

John, I did create a Stephen King wishlist. Try entering your favorite writer's names as keywords. Many shows often include in the description something like, "best on the best seller by X." TIVO has found several movies for me that were based on Stephen King books. (too bad most of them aren't any good) http://www.avsforum.com/ubbtivo/smile.gif

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Posted by: JohnP

I've had Z16 for about 5 days.

Pros: SP Manager is a big help
No stutters or or freezing yet
More responsive to commands than before

Cons: Did have some problems with SP manager and recording of shows. I changed several of my season passes to record only first run, mostly for my daughter's cartoons, to eliminate 3 recordings of the same thing each day ( I had been using manual recordings). The result was that I got no recordings at all. I went back to manual recordings until I have time to read the new manual.

I had been recording cartoons at Basic quality, however, Basic now is noticably worse; colors are washed out and detail is poor. I have switched everything to medium for now.

John

Posted by: jameskg

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Originally posted by JohnP:
I've had Z16 for about 5 days.

I changed several of my season passes to record only first run, mostly for my daughter's cartoons, to eliminate 3 recordings of the same thing each day ( I had been using manual recordings). The result was that I got no recordings at all.
John

I believe the first-run status is determined by the guide data only... so if the cartoon was a repeat from weeks before, you'd get the result you got. First run, I think, is being treated as "brand new, never before shown show" or at least as close to that as the guide data is correct.

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Posted by: adrianblack

PRO: I love the new SP manager.... Totally amazing.

I notice "first-run" setting does not grab syndicated shows at all and only records the real show if it doesn't have an "R" in the description. (For repeat.) Only good if you have seen all of the episodes this season...

Priorities are AMAZING. And the "Upcoming Show" view is amazing too. I took out a bunch of my manual recordings to switched them to Season passes now... as the priorities help handle them. (Like Voyager and West Wing conflict... but voyager is also on Sunday at 8pm -- and sometimes 9pm here in LA so I just gave West Wing higher priority so it records on Sat and Tivo automatically gets the Sunday Star Trek instead. So much smarter.

PRO: Also, I absolutely love the Recording History.

PRO: Hitting clear in "now showing" lets you delete. LOVE THIS. I also notice the whole delete operation is faster now. Used to take like 1 second after you selecte "Delete This show" (on the confirmation screen) now it only seems like it takes like .5 seconds.

PRO: Double tivo takes you to Now Showing. I did use the "Tivo-1" sequence, but this is even better... and I like how the other Tivo sequences work like Tivo-4 which I use all the time.

PRO: The new LiveTV guide is nicer as if the description/banner while in a show.

PRO: Wishlists is VERY cool.

CON: Unless I'm mistaken, hitting "Select" on a show from Now Showing on 1.3 would play the show directly ... same as hitting play. Now with Z16 only play does this. I may be wrong, but I keep hitting select and getting the detail screen when I wanted it to play instead. (I just need to get used to this....)

CON: The overshoot correction crap... but Otto found the better settings for it. You just have to get to BASH prompt to fix it... I'll do this soon. Makes me feel super-human as it always goes way back into commercials now where I used to be 80% accurate... and before, if I missed, I usually ended up in the show a little, which was fine. A press or two of IR would take me to the right spot. Now, if you are in the commercial, there is no easy way to jump ahead a few seconds.

CON: The channel icons on Now Showing are cute, but take up so much room! The upgrade ditched my skinny True Type font I had installed and then with the icons, I get like half the number of characters for show names.

Posted by: Dan203

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Originally posted by JohnP:
Cons: Did have some problems with SP manager and recording of shows. I changed several of my season passes to record only first run, mostly for my daughter's cartoons, to eliminate 3 recordings of the same thing each day ( I had been using manual recordings). The result was that I got no recordings at all. I went back to manual recordings until I have time to read the new manual.

The First Run Only setting uses the original air date to pick brand new episodes only. Cartoons often rerun episodes that are months, even years, old so it doesn't work well for them.

If you want to limit the number of cartoons on your system just set the Keep At Most setting to 1 or 2, this will make it so regardless of how many times a day it's on you will never have more then that number of episodes on your system at any one time.

Dan

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Posted by: birger

I was upgraded to 2.0.1z16, yesterday, but unfortunately haven't really had a chance play with it, as I am one of the unlucky... the Tivo is crashing every 5-10 minutes, and constant stopples. The joys of being in Beta. http://www.avsforum.com/ubbtivo/frown.gif

I have a Sony SVR-2000, and am using the RF out to drive the TV set in a second room. In 1.3 the RF out was left on, and the TiVo drove a black signal. Now in 2.0.1 it disables the RF out about 10s after turning off the box. I liked the way 1.3 did it better. Now, when I turn on the TV then the Tivo, or turn off the TiVo then the TV, I am faced with the annoying sound and sight of snow (no signal). Any ideas on why the change? http://www.avsforum.com/ubbtivo/confused.gif

BTW, the reason fir the turn on, turn off order in the previous paragraph, is that I would like to get feedback that the remote control command was received by the TiVo, as the remote control extender drops commands every once in awhile (it is a ~400MHz RF type, not hardwired)

Erik.

Posted by: TiVoholic

Regarding first-run...

I just want to go on record as calling the current behavior a PRO rather than a CON. In my case, an example would be the Simpsons which reports 26 showings -- all repeats -- none of which are filling my "KUID" space. Now, given that I'm still a Simpsons repeat fan, I give it a two thumbs up so that it shows up in TiVo (auto-delete) suggestions.

Feature request: For 3.0, it would be nice if something like "first run on this channel" was available. This would allow those of us who don't shell out for premium cable to catch all the "first non-premium" runs of Stargate SG-1, which originally aired on ShowTime.

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Posted by: WinBear

Well TiVoholic, your First Run suggestion is a good idea, but how many shows are affected by that? Is it worth TMS adding an additional field for "First Syndication Airdate"?

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Posted by: rallymonkey

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Originally posted by adrianblack:
CON: Unless I'm mistaken, hitting "Select" on a show from Now Showing on 1.3 would play the show directly ... same as hitting play. Now with Z16 only play does this. I may be wrong, but I keep hitting select and getting the detail screen when I wanted it to play instead. (I just need to get used to this....)

This is truly driving everyone in my household to an insane level of frustration. It is very difficult to do in the blind since the buttons are so far apart (the cursor and the play button). I've never expected select to go into the details screen, that's what hitting the right cursor does. It's so anti-intuitive (since it didn't used to work that way) it is taking a lot of time to get used to.

The only other problem I have with the interface is probably something that other people like. I've never liked the "delete yes/no?" at the end of viewing something. It's like, my biggest fear is that someone else will accidentally delete one of my shows, and here TiVo is begging them to do it!

Posted by: StevePayo

I got z16 about a week ago on both my Sony 30hr (upgraded with a 60GB 2nd drive) and my Phillips (original 14hr box- unmodified.)

I have really enjoyed the Season pass manager, the extendable record starts and stops, the Wishlist feature, etc.

My only annoyance has been that the Phillips box is doing the 'stutter' but in my case it's more like an 'epileptic spasm' or maybe Tourette's.

Last night's episode of "The Job" looked like Denis Leary starring in Altered States or maybe Jacob's Ladder.

I haven't had any of this trouble on the Sony (knocking wood.)

Other than that z16 has been good. Now we just need to be able to tell it to record via the net. Or a WAP phone or Palm device.

Posted by: John Pritchard

Prior to upgrade basic quality was marginally acceptable for several shows I Tivo'ed. It is now now longer acceptable at all. Excessive pixellation.

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Posted by: Todd Miller

I love the season pass manager and wishlists. However, the best thing I've noticed is that database accesses are now *much* faster on my TiVo. Now, I do have an 80gig disk in it that is almost always full so perhaps the speedup is less noticable to others. Going into "now playing" is now almost instantaneous where before it took noticable time.

There are occasions when doing an operation that touches the database takes real time so perhaps the TiVo is just caching the results. Anyway, I spend far less time looking at the "please wait" clock in 2.01 than I did in 1.3.

Posted by: rallymonkey

quote:
Originally posted by Todd Miller:
There are occasions when doing an operation that touches the database takes real time so perhaps the TiVo is just caching the results. Anyway, I spend far less time looking at the "please wait" clock in 2.01 than I did in 1.3.

Yes, much improved speed overall. Well except for channel changing in live tv which "seems" slower. And doing a priority change in SP manager is very time consuming, I almost wish I could move everything around first and then have it munch on it when I exit. It is very painful to wait 10-20 seconds every time I move something.

Posted by: DavidAsher

I love v2.0 -- even the new FF bevhavior (I must just be slow) ;-)

I have a HDR212 as yet not upgraded (soon though). Noticed the speed improvements immediately. I only had the thing for 2-3 wks before the upgrade, however, so it is a little confusing to me exactly which interface details changed. The only one I noticed which I don't like is the select going to details in Now Playing instead of playing it. Definitely non-intuitive.

Luckily no stutters/stopples for me.

Posted by: Fofer

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Originally posted by Dan203:
The First Run Only setting uses the original air date to pick brand new episodes only.

Is that so? And how does this relate to the "2000, R" that I see if the description? I thought "R" just meant "repeat."
And so if it didn't have an "R" it automatically was assumed to be "First Run." And most shows in syndication didn't have accurate data on this from Tribune, so I didn't even bother to try it.

Is this not the case? is there some kind of "hidden" airdate data that TiVo uses to determine what's a repeat and what's not?

Posted by: Scutter

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Originally posted by Fofer:
Is that so? And how does this relate to the "2000, R" that I see if the description?

The "R" might be the rating, rather than "repeat". The "repeat" 'R' is usally at the end of the description, the rating is at the beginning.

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Posted by: Fofer

Oops, my bad. I meant to refer to the "R" I see at the end:

"CC, Stereo, R"

and it rarely shows up, even with shows that I *know* are repeats. If I told TiVo I wanted "first run only," would these shows still record, since there's no "R" in the description?

Posted by: Fofer

Another 2.0 innovation I just discovered is the filter on the live TV guide grid. I never saw that before! I can limit it to just my favorite channels, and just a certain genre. Was that in 1.3? I don't recall seeing it before, and it makes a LOT of sense. Very slick. Also makes scrolling through the guide a lot faster!

Posted by: HTH

"First-run only" matches only those programs with a current First Airdate (the year of which is displayed in parentheses on the TiVo) and shows without any descriptions or airdates. Shows with descriptions but no airdates do not match with "First-run only". For an example, see The Outer Limits on the Sci-Fi Channel. The new season has descriptions but no dates and don't match, but occasionally has episodes as part of their run of older episodes that have neither dates nor descriptions but do match "First-run only".

The "R" for reruns is absolutely not consulted whatsoever in determining whether or not a show is "First-run" as it has been shown to be frequently inaccurate.

Can we put this in a FAQ yet?

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