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Who is the Mole -- A tracking thread
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Posted by: jsmeeker
I would like to use this thread to track The Mole II.
Saw the first tow epsiodes last night. Again. Not sure if I should post spoiler warnings. I know some may have not had the chance to watch yet, but they *did* air alreay. A long time ago.
Anyway, Who is the mole? Male? Another female? I hope Heather, the PR rep from Dallas stays on the show for a while. She is rather attractive. :)
Posted by: loopey
I think you might want to post that this has spoilers. Some people may get mad, even though the title obviously indicates there are going to be spoilers..
Anyway I noticed before the start of the second episode they said look for the clue of who is the mole. I noticed twice when they were taking the test the host said something about the mole and they cut to a shot of Elavia. Though I can't imagine they'd be that obvious.
Posted by: Kablemodem
I haven't rewatched the first two episodes, but I still think it was the whiney chick. I think her name was Katie. I can't really tell at this point though because after the first season everyone is trying to outwit everyone else and I am sure there is tons of reverse psychology involved.
Posted by: vman
Another clue idea: it seems that they sometimes show Anderson eating during games, which seems really odd -- can't the guy eat off camera? I wonder if this is related. For the second show last night, after they showed him eating, they cut to Darwin and Heather arriving at the train station. In the first show, they had him eating during the swing of death game, but I don't remember who it was they showed immediately thereafter.
Posted by: jsmeeker
I'm trying to watch for the clues as well. The eating thing might be something. Also, last night i remember lots of shots of paitnings in a castle.
Katie is annoying. Maybe she is the mole. If she isn't, she needs to remember it's all *a game*.
Posted by: vman
By the way, should this thread be in the new TV area, rather than coffee house? I'm not sure how the new system works.
Posted by: spud
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK, there aren't any spoilers in MY post, but now everything's fair game. :p
quote:
Originally posted by jsmeeker
Katie is annoying.
I agree. If Katie is the mole, she's an excellent actress.
Posted by: zyzzx
First off, let me say I love The Mole...
Am I the only one who doesn't care who the mole is? I didn't watch the first series but watched all three episodes in the fall and rewatched the two last night. I love the show and have talked about it a lot with friends and I just don't care who the mole is. To me the show is much more than that. I'm much more interested in how people are screwing each other over and how I would handle the situations the contestants are put in. Are most people watching the show just to try to figure out who the mole is?
Posted by: jsmeeker
I'm sorta trying to figure out who the mole is, but its not a huge deal for me. It's not like I am taking notes or anything.
Posted by: vertigo235
Dear god I hope it's not Katie, that means we would have to listen to her whiny bitchy self all season. Please please please say it isn't so.
Posted by: vertigo235
Ok I dont want to make anyone mad, but shouldn't this thread go in that new TV Show talk forum? If we're going to have a special forum for TV Show talk, we might as well use it, but I personaly dont mind having such a thread in here.
Posted by: jsmeeker
quote:
Originally posted by vertigo235
Ok I dont want to make anyone mad, but shouldn't this thread go in that new TV Show talk forum? If we're going to have a special forum for TV Show talk, we might as well use it, but I personaly dont mind having such a thread in here.
When did that forum pop up?
I would like to keep it here, since this is where I spend most of my time while in the TiVo Community. Also, the Happy Hour forum gets lots of traffic.
Posted by: vertigo235
Just a few days ago when David Redesigned the site... I dont mind it staying here. But I think it sucks that now I have to look into two different forums to talk about TV shows.
Posted by: timf
DBS Talk has a thread where someone thinks they've figured out the clues in the first two episodes. If you want to see it, go here:
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4234
I'll be interested to see if Mark is correct.
Posted by: rasheed
Those clues seem especially tough if true. In any case, it would be an interesting way to watch the show if you did know who the mole is because then you can pay attention to the deception.
I have no idea who it is, but I will guess: Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Dorothy
. Last time, I was very good at guessing who was leaving which just didn't work out I guess.
The food eating and other jokes are done to make this season my humorous and are intentional according to the host in outside interviews.
Rasheed
Posted by: linh
Shouldn't this thread be in the "Now Showing" forum?
Posted by: Dusty
I have a question...
I never watched The Mole. But it's summer, and I have to watch something. Is this one picking up from a previous one? I missed the airing on the 28th, but notice that there are two shows back to back next week, the first one is a repeat. A repeat of what? The May 28th epi, or from the previous airings? I seem to recall it aired a couple then was pulled...after 9/11?
EDIT: nevermind. went to the website, think I figured it out.
Posted by: tj
Dusty: The next week will have one originaly aired soon after 9/11 and one brand new one. So far you have only missed two episodes, which I think is fine. Just get in now before too many more episodes!
Posted by: sallypnut
quote:
Originally posted by Dusty68
I have a question...
I never watched The Mole. But it's summer, and I have to watch something. Is this one picking up from a previous one? I missed the airing on the 28th, but notice that there are two shows back to back next week, the first one is a repeat. A repeat of what? The May 28th epi, or from the previous airings? I seem to recall it aired a couple then was pulled...after 9/11?
Oooooh...watch it! It's really great. They showed 3 episodes in fall. On May 28 they showed eps 1 & 2. Next week they will show 3 & 4, with 4 being the first previously unaired episode. (I'm sure someone will correct me if this is wrong)
Bummer- I just deleted last week's episodes yesterday, or I would have put them on a tape for you. Perhaps someone else can?
Sara
EDIT: Sorry, redundant info. You guys are fast!
Posted by: loopey
I checked out timf's link. That's interesting, but the clues might be too (mainly the first one). The clues last year, at least the one I remember, were relatively straight forward. The one where the host said something about the mole and he was holding the bag with Kathryn's name on it - the mole.
Posted by: sallypnut
Funny, loopy, I was just going to ask if anyone remembered the clues from last season. I know they showed them in the last episode, but I can't remember any of them. Anyone remember any more?
Posted by: loopey
Clue #1 was that the word "Mole" has four letters in it. And Kathryn was the fourth person shown on the introduction of the show.
I was going to check abc's website to see if they had the stuff from the first Mole but it kept crashing my browser.
Posted by: cheerdude
I think that there was only a couple of clues from last season. The bag and the "4th letter" intro are the only ones that I could think of.
I do remember that they were pretty lame.. and so ABC decided, as part of their "re-tooling" of the show, that they would put clues in each episode.
I still would like to know how much Kathryn got for being the Mole... I don't think that they ever said that. My guess is that the Mole gets the difference between the $ 1 Million "possible" prize and what the winner gets.
Hopefully, I will have several episodes on my TiVo when I get home this afternoon... so that I can get reacquainted with an old friend.
Jeff
Posted by: rasheed
quote:
Originally posted by cheerdude
I still would like to know how much Kathryn got for being the Mole... I don't think that they ever said that. My guess is that the Mole gets the difference between the $ 1 Million "possible" prize and what the winner gets.
She didn't get 'much' according to interviews (seemly not the difference like you mentioned). The difference makes the most sense, but it also would be very lucrative because these guys never get much money working as a group (a la Weakest Link).
Kathryn worked as a consultant on the show this time. She has inside, off-camera details about each episode on the ABC website.
Rasheed
Posted by: vertigo235
quote:
Originally posted by linhpham2
Shouldn't this thread be in the "Now Showing" forum?
Ive allready mentioned this, aparently I guess the use of that forum is voluntary :)
Posted by: John McKee
I can't help but think the "clues" from the first series were just afterthoughts. More coincidences pointed out at the end of the series. They just seemed so odd, and unplanned.
Posted by: vertigo235
I agree, I dont think they were really planned too. Those clues were so odd, that there were probably a dozen other clues that pointed to someone else too.
Posted by: vman
Another "clue" was that Kathryn said something like "let's just shoot the watch" in a challenge when Anderson had not yet said that the watch chosen would be shot to see if it was real.
Also, on the mole getting paid the difference, I think that would be too much temptation for the mole to just be as aggressive as possible in losing challenges, even if they are caught early.
Posted by: tj
It was "let's pull the trigger" (could have been coincidental I guess)
Posted by: GBL
Since this is a tracking thread, I'll venture my guess (just gut feeling): Darwin
Posted by: tj
Bump becuase it is on tonight again.
Posted by: cheerdude
Watching Episode 3 now (with 4 soon to follow). I just noticed something...
As they are driving back from the Little John/Little Jane game, the camera is in the 2nd van when Bill is talking. You see someone right behind Bill waving his hand...
A clue perhaps? If so, who is it?
Posted by: tj
I am pretty sure that was Lisa's hand.
So what did you guys think of the new episode?
Looks like next week will have one of those good old fashioned scavenger hunt games (like locked in the castle, locked in the hotel room, get a cast and get a nude picture painted)
Posted by: DancnDude
It was a good one. Almost all of them have something that makes them suspicious. What did you think of Dorothy and the puzzles? I really found that suspicious along with the blueberry game from last week.
Posted by: MarkofT
I can't believe it they gave the wrong answer first to that work puzzle. It was the easiest one I saw. Just work back from the end and you get $90. I have no idea where they got $52 from.
So far as the word puzzle that is just how those are solved. You just sit and stare until it hits you like a train. Or at least that is how it happens to me.
I'm leaning toward Bribbs, I think it was. Wasn't he the one that gave a wrong answer to that treasure chest game?
Posted by: zaknafein
Dorothy really did seem suspicious on that one. I know it's obvious, but I don't see how someone could have come up with that word in such a short amount of time without knowing it beforehand.
We'll see, she may just be really good at puzzle games, but I'm not convinced.
Posted by: Haps
Katie is the Mole
Posted by: jsmeeker
I;m not sure the Mole know *everythign* about all of the games. Last time, I recall them saying Kathryn (the Mole from the first season) did not always get information before hand.
Maybe Dorothy was holding out to look like the mole by coming up with the answer at the last second. Who knows. I still don't like Katie. At least Heater is still in it! :) I hope she lasts a long time. The tire changing test was such a gimme. I wonder if that was planned all along, or thrown in there becasue the producers felt bad for them.
Posted by: Haps
If Dorothy was the Mole why would she come up with the answers. The Mole is supposed to Sabotoge.
Posted by: DancnDude
True. But Dorothy might have wanted to get exemptions to make it look like she needed them and wasn't the mole.
The more you think about it, a case could be made for ANY current player as to why they could be the Mole. That's what I think I like about this game :)
Posted by: Dusty
Just started watching my very first episode ever of The Mole. 19 minutes into episode 3 and I'm hooked. LOL How come I didn't know what I was missing??? :)
----
Ok, finished...now I have a question. Can the mole be executed? or do they rig it so that person stays in? If the mole goes early, are they still basing their assumptions on who the mole is based on everyone who started? I mean, are they just looking at who is left, or still factoring in people who have gone? Does that make any sense?
I'll probably figure it out... Thanks :)
Posted by: DancnDude
Dusty - the Mole cannot be executed. I'm not sure if the Mole even takes The Test, but if s/he did, they would know all the answers anyways :)
Posted by: vertigo235
The reason it's so hard to tell who the mole is, is that there is no reason NOT to make people think you're the mole. It actually will help you if someone thinks you're the mole because then they are almost gauranteed to fail the test.
Part of being good at this game is to be a little supicious your self.
Posted by: Dusty
Right, I figured that out. Was a "duh" moment. Of course they supply the answers. LOL
Watch the last one, I'm definately hooked. I like the dilemma's, to help the team or yourself.
Posted by: dschwab
quote:
Originally posted by Dusty68
Right, I figured that out. Was a "duh" moment. Of course they supply the answers. LOL
Even if they don't supply the answers, the Mole still is answering questions about themself. The execution test consists of questions solely about the mole, such as "the Mole wore what color shirt at dinner?".
Posted by: vertigo235
yeah they deserve to get executed if they cant answer those questions.
Posted by: Uther
Anybody understand the middle puzzle where they had to supply the correct shape? All the other brainteasers were pretty easy, but that one seemed to have more than just one correct answer. I saw 3 possible answers.
:confused:
Posted by: cheerdude
I think that the goal was to pick a card that would give you 3 of each symbol in the series. At least, that is how I believe them showing the answer... unfortunately, I've already erased that show.
Posted by: tj
Yes, as far as I could tell cheerdude is right (I watched it twice :) )
Posted by: jsmeeker
The mole will tke the test. I think only a *few* people know who the mole is. Even Anderson isn't told who the mole is. he has to figure it out himself.
Posted by: loopey
Are you sure Anderson doesn't know? One of the clues last year was him holding up the mole's bag. How would he know which bag to hold up? If it was a bag placed in a certain spot how could he not see the name?
Posted by: shaunrose
Just to reply to other posts on the subject of Katie -- I love her! I like her stuffed cow and how she cried when she thought it had been destroyed. Unfortunately, I think that justifiably traumatic moment opened up the water works and then she started crying for too many things. But, I still like her. I hope she does well.
Posted by: tj
Last year Anderson said he didn't know who the Mole was, I don't know about this year.
Posted by: Cabinwood
I missed recording the Mole last week -- we had very very bad storms with heavy rain. First we had rain fade for a long time then the big boomers moved in and I unplugged everything. Who got eliminated in the two episodes?
Posted by: vertigo235
I know patrick got eliminated in the last one, forget who it was in the first one.
Posted by: debtoine
In the 3rd episode, Lisa was eliminated.
Posted by: jsmeeker
quote:
Originally posted by loopey
Are you sure Anderson doesn't know? One of the clues last year was him holding up the mole's bag. How would he know which bag to hold up? If it was a bag placed in a certain spot how could he not see the name?
He didn't know. He said he didn't know, but did say he eventually figured it out close to the end. I'm sure he was given the bag to hold up, and I doubt he would have connected it.
Posted by: Erik
I've tried looking for the clues that would be obvious but then I remeber that the players themselves may be doing that to confuse the others. So one thing I've seen that goes along with the first season is this: (highlight)
that on the first season the bag they held up was Kathryn's. Well I noticed when Anderson showed them their journal's, he held up #1..and they focused on it closely for a couple of seconds.
I don't know whose it is but I'll I'm looking at every opportunity to find out. *shrug*
Posted by: Erik
Well, tonight was another good one. I've got some more evidence on my thoughts. Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Darwin
Anyone else?
Posted by: zaknafein
Ehhh. storm came through during the execution and knocked the sat out just long enough for me not to see who was executed, and ABC hasn't updated the site. Someone help me out?
I'm sticking with Dorothy for now. No one else has given me a solid reason to suspect them.
Posted by: DancnDude
Yes, this was another great episode. I especially like the games that they put the players through. The swimming thing was really a neat idea since how long the game could last was purely a physical feat, and the jail cell game was also fun to watch.
Posted by: MarkofT
quote:
Originally posted by zaknafein
Ehhh. storm came through during the execution and knocked the sat out just long enough for me not to see who was executed, and ABC hasn't updated the site. Someone help me out?
I'm sticking with Dorothy for now. No one else has given me a solid reason to suspect them.
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Rob
Posted by: cheerdude
The only clue that I noticed was in the beginning...
They focus on a map of Italy to show where the players are. I thought that it was odd... since, as far as I could remember, the opening shot was usually a landscape shot with the location listed in the bottom left corner of the screen.
The name of the town then comes up (sorry, don't remember it)... and then I noticed that not every letter was lit up as the letters were typed. Of course, being a knucklehead, I didn't write down the highlighted letters.
I thought that the games were real good also. I remember that when M2 first showed in September, some were accusing it of "dumbing down" from M1. Haven't seen that yet, though the games have been more physical this go-around.
Interesting that they focused on the one women (I want to call her Piggy, because of her stuffed pig) missing the G... however, the one runner that had to go to the church and find out the author that was buried there... screwed up. She was looking around the outside of the church when, if I remember correctly again, the question stated that the answer would be just INSIDE the church.
Oh well... maybe SHES the Mole !
Jeff
PS - Also, didn't any of the runners think about borrowing a piece of paper and a pen? Or maybe just writing it on their clothing? <G>
Posted by: shaunrose
Last night, while Bribs and Darwin were talking, we noticed that they oddly zoomed in on Bribs' bag. It had his name written in tape. They did it twice while he and Darwin were exchanging notes. We thought it might be a clue. Then during the execution, everyone's bags were lined up. Bribs is the only one with tape on his bag. Could this mean he's the Mole? Or, could it mean that his actual name is Bill or something and he put tape over his name to use his nickname Bribs? That's the frustrating thing about tryng to figure out who the Mole is -- it makes you overanalyze everything.
Posted by: Erik
Frustrating but fun! I noticed the tape too but didn't think anything about it until now. :confused:
I like how they tie some history to the games..like in the swimming game. If someone recognized the name of the dead guy then they could've guessed everything else w/o needing the runners. If someone was able to do such a thing that would stand out as very suspicious. But that would be good for their cause (if they were not the mole).
Posted by: vertigo235
I'm pretty sure there will allways be enough evidence to support anyone being the mole. It will be interesting to see if anyone was right in the end.
I dont mean by a total guess, I want to see them point out some of the clues you guys are noticing at the end :) Personaly I'm not going to try very hard to figure it out... I think for those in the game though it may be easier because they dont get the "edited" version of events that we do.
Posted by: modnar
Like others, I really enjoyed the games in last night's show.
As with the first season, I'm really liking this show.
Any word on how it's doing in the ratings?
Posted by: cheerdude
Last Week - 4.8 rating / 8 share; 37th place (3rd highest for ABC)
Posted by: jsmeeker
I still can't stand katie. If she isn't the mole and she is trying to win al lthe time, she is doing a poor job. She needs to lighten up.
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
It was pretty easy to tell "Romeo" was *last*. The board had spaces for each letter. Juliet in Italian was too many letters. I'm jsut glad Heather is still in it. She is a major babe.
Posted by: DancnDude
Do you all think the messages sent by the Mole (ie. the telegram and the letters on the car) are *really* sent by the Mole, or the producers? My guess is that the producers do it.
Posted by: vertigo235
yes i agree
Posted by: Erik
jsmeeker - I agree on Katie and the spoiler...fishy. We watch wondering how long until she starts crying. :)
I think the producers send the messages.
Posted by: shaunrose
quote:
Originally posted by DancnDude
Do you all think the messages sent by the Mole (ie. the telegram and the letters on the car) are *really* sent by the Mole, or the producers? My guess is that the producers do it.
I agree with you that producers probably send the messages. That's the thing that frustrates me about trying to guess who the Mole is -- what would be the tip off? I mean, if I were the Mole, why would I do anything to ruin competitions or anything else to clue people in to who I was? They don't get money for ruining competitions, nor are they under any other duty to act in a certain way. The Mole is not an actor who is making up things about their life, but just an ordinary contestant who was designated the Mole. So, how the hell are we supposed to guess?
I still find it highly entertaining, especially last night's game with the jail cells in the spirit of "The Brady Bunch" goes to the ghost town.
Posted by: Dargon
A couple things I thought could be clues on last nights episode:
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Toward the end of the episode, the camera panned onto Brib's bag and stayed there for a couple seconds. A bit earlier, the camera focused on a spider in a web.
I have no idea who the second one implicates, but it did seem like an odd thing to do.
Posted by: vertigo235
The mole is told what to do by the producers. They do intentionaly ruin competitions, but are probably given pretty good instructions on how to make it not seem conspicuous.
Posted by: EBone11973
My wife noticed (I think in Episode 2) while everyone was at the dinner table where the blueberry dessert was served, the camera had a quick (2 second or so) shot of each contestant. When they got to Myrna, she was holding one of the show's contest instruction cards with "The Mole" logo on the back of it, and the camera kind of ligered on her for a second longer. Now, I'm sure every prop on the show has "The Mole" logo plastered on it, and that everybody at the table handled the card, but the producers chose to show Myrna holding the card with the logo clearly visible and pause the shot on her like that for about 3 seconds. Seems to me like the kind of thing the show's producers would notice in post-production and include as a clue for the viewers.
As an aside, I've been really pleased with the major network's attempts to provide the viewers with new, non-rerun programming during the summer months. I guess CBS really got the ball rolling a couple of years ago with the original Survivor (does anyone remember that was a summer show?). It makes the wait for the fall season more tolerable for us TV-holics.
Posted by: jsmeeker
quote:
Originally posted by vertigo235
The mole is told what to do by the producers. They do intentionaly ruin competitions, but are probably given pretty good instructions on how to make it not seem conspicuous.
Not sure how true this is. I think sometimes the mole does get infor about the competition, but not always. IIRC, this is the way Kathryn (the first Mole) described it during the first Mole program.
Posted by: modnar
quote:
Originally posted by EBone11973
As an aside, I've been really pleased with the major network's attempts to provide the viewers with new, non-rerun programming during the summer months. I guess CBS really got the ball rolling a couple of years ago with the original Survivor (does anyone remember that was a summer show?). It makes the wait for the fall season more tolerable for us TV-holics.
Didn't CBS also introduce Big Brother that same summer?
Posted by: MarkofT
I believe they did.
Posted by: shaunrose
quote:
Originally posted by EBone11973
As an aside, I've been really pleased with the major network's attempts to provide the viewers with new, non-rerun programming during the summer months. I guess CBS really got the ball rolling a couple of years ago with the original Survivor (does anyone remember that was a summer show?). It makes the wait for the fall season more tolerable for us TV-holics.
I agree with you about summer programming. I just wish they would remember that good summer programming does not necessarily make for good regular season programming, and it does not have to. They took Who wants to be a Millionaire and, because it did so well in the summer, they ran it into the ground during the regular season. It was good tv, but as a summer show -- something that was enjoyable to watch when nothing else was on. Same thing with some of the reality shows -- they would probably get fairly good ratings in the summer, where they should stay. That way, these shows don't get cancelled, we have good shows to watch in the summer, and they probably make more $$$. Everybody's happy!
Posted by: vertigo235
quote:
Originally posted by jsmeeker
Not sure how true this is. I think sometimes the mole does get infor about the competition, but not always. IIRC, this is the way Kathryn (the first Mole) described it during the first Mole program.
I didn't say they allways get information, I was just saying that they DO get information and usualy instructions on what to do. Meaning they aren't operating on their own (without any guidance).
Remember on the last show of the season when they showed the clip of Katheryn crying to the producer during one of their sessions?
Posted by: jsmeeker
Oh, I know they get info, but they don't *always* get it. owever, sometimes they know nothing, just like the regular players. And in the last game in season one, I think Kathryn was really tying to *help* them out.
Posted by: vertigo235
You're right, they do not ALLways get information.
BTW my original reply was directed to this post.
quote:
I mean, if I were the Mole, why would I do anything to ruin competitions or anything else to clue people in to who I was? They don't get money for ruining competitions, nor are they under any other duty to act in a certain way. The Mole is not an actor who is making up things about their life, but just an ordinary contestant who was designated the Mole. So, how the hell are we supposed to guess?
Posted by: tj
FYI: In the opening map thing, the 'C' and the 'Z' were the only ones that did not have some sort of "effect". The other letters had slight variations in how many flashes, how long, if the letter or background flashed, etc. Hmm!
Posted by: TivoFan
quote:
Originally posted by Uther
Anybody understand the middle puzzle where they had to supply the correct shape? All the other brainteasers were pretty easy, but that one seemed to have more than just one correct answer. I saw 3 possible answers.
:confused:
Just in case someone hasn't seen the puzzle yet, here is the answer hidden
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
The correct answer was the only selection which made every shape in the sequence appear three times. Three triangles, three circles, three squares, three double boxes.
Posted by: Avian
There was one thing I noticed, everytime they do the quiz they show the questions with the mouse floating over them and they never show them click on it. On episode 5 they clicked on one which had to do only with one person:
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Dorothy
Posted by: JohnJr
I'm relatively new to the Mole, this is my first season sticking with it. Is there really an official "clue" every episode as to who the Mole is? I mean beyond the show itself, some real, planted clue, such as what Avian just brought up? Thanks in advance...
-John
Posted by: Erik
quote:
Originally posted by JohnJr
I'm relatively new to the Mole, this is my first season sticking with it. Is there really an official "clue" every episode as to who the Mole is? I mean beyond the show itself, some real, planted clue, such as what Avian just brought up? Thanks in advance...
-John
This season there is an "official clue" to who the mole is. Last season there was not...I don't think, personally.
What I mean is - at the end of last season's show they pointed out some "clues" that would've led us to who the mole was during the season. I think it was an after thought because they didn't seem very well planned. Almost bloopers that they got away with. Everyone liked them so much I think they added "official clues" this season as a side game the viewers can play as they watch. I know I'll be interested to see if I've actually picked up on some of the "official clues".
:rolleyes:
Posted by: loopey
Last season there were not official clues each episode. They showed us about 3 at the end of the series and I agree with Erik that they sounded coincidental. This season they advertised there will be one each episode. Of course they could have a few and one will be the mole and the others leading us astray.
Posted by: jsmeeker
New show tomorrow nite. Can kattie get "executed"?? Please??
Posted by: modnar
quote:
Originally posted by jsmeeker
New show tomorrow nite. Can kattie get "executed"?? Please??
She is definitely not my favorite person on the show. I wish she would quit taking things so seriously and/or personally.
Posted by: FlashingTwelve
Hmmm learn a little from tonight's episode!!
Interesting that from the Quiz you could tell who would not be executed. About 4-5 people named who they thought the mole was, so if they were executed we'd know it probably wasn't that person. The executed person didn't state who they thought it was, but they said who was their 'least liked' during the show, so I might guess that was who the executed accused as the mole, especially as the executed made pains to say it wasn't a personal thing. I have already ruled out that person 100%. Note also that someone else voted the same person as 'least liked' and the Quiz was a tie. Therefore I rule out that person!
It will be interesting to see if the person executed next week was someone who named someone this week.
My likelihoods in order.. now only to narrow it down:Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Al, Bribs, Heather, Bill, Darwin, Katie, Dorothy, Elavia
Note also that during the 'Most liked, Least Liked' test you could see people 1-4 for one of the contestants.
Posted by: cheerdude
Any guesses on the clue this week?
My thought was when the group was walking into a building. There were two archways in the entrance... everyone went into one except for
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Darwin
who went in the other.
Posted by: FlashingTwelve
quote:
Originally posted by cheerdude
Any guesses on the clue this week?
1. Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
The A in Barga was highlighted on the map.
2. Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
The L on the message on the road was in Red.
3. Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
The wine Al was given was called La Mole.
Posted by: David Platt
quote:
Originally posted by cheerdude
Any guesses on the clue this week?
My thoughts:
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During the bike ride, the message painted on the road was "The Mole Will Beat You". They showed Bribs seeming to look at it. At the end of the bike ride, Heather walked in front of Bribs right before the 'finish line' so Bribs came in second and Heather beat him.
Posted by: Dargon
Here are my thoughts:
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When they showed the blueberry platter with the message "Are you the one?", they cut back to show Bribs sitting in front of the platter holding a blueberry. Later, during the most liked/least liked game, they showed one person's list as they were completing it. "The one" in that list was Darwin.
I've seen a couple clues implicating Bribs, but in terms of actions I see Darwin as the greater possibility. In last weeks show he talked everyone into putting Katie in the "head honcho" position in a game instead of Al. Based on the relative intelligence of those two, I would *not* choose Katie for that position. Of course that may be because Darwin thinks Al is the mole.
Posted by: jlb
quote:
The wine Al was given was called La Mole.
However, there was a shot at dinner when Darwin was holding the bottle and was looking at it. It was subtle but did seem out of place....
Combining this clue with the archway/entrance and last weeks "i'm the mole" proclamation, my current money is on Darwin....
Posted by: jlb
But thinking back now, Al's favorite drink was Wine, was it not....and it a bit of "Doh!", and I never thought this before, how stupid of me, but LA spelled backwards it AL......That would be very cool....
Posted by: nataylor
Did anyone notice that at dinner when they were talking about the most trouble they've ever been in that Bribs (I think) said it was when he was 4 and peed on his sister's head? But that answer wasn't one of the possible choices in the quiz, even though there were 9 choices. Was that some kind of hint or just sloppy editing?
Posted by: jsmeeker
I don't think it's AL. He seems to try very hard at every challenge. I don't recall any obvious, mole type actions from him.
Posted by: FlashingTwelve
quote:
Originally posted by jsmeeker
I don't think it's AL. He seems to try very hard at every challenge. I don't recall any obvious, mole type actions from him.
Is there some directive that a mole must sabotage the money? Or that they shouldn't try at capacity? I really don't remember hearing this, but I missed the first couple of shows. I know that the contestants think so, as they are suspicious of anyone who didn't try hard enough (since they wouldn't gain by trying).
EDIT: OK I see it in the rules. But I assume their main directive is not to be found out, and sabotaging would in many cases find you out. There are sneakier ways to sabotage. An example is the word game which Dorothy guessed on the 2nd attempt with a few seconds to spare. Bill had given the wrong answer, and it wasn't that difficult. I think she was holding him out to see if he would fix it, and he didn't. So she is guessing Bill.
Posted by: Dignan
I love the show, but I have a problem with the quiz element. As the audience we really have little to do with the information brought up on the quiz, and as a contestant if you have no clue who the mole is you are really just guessing. It makes the quiz really more Russian roulette, it just comes down to luck until most of the game is played.
Anderson actually got a little miffed last night, don't touch that bike....
Posted by: Dignan
One thing about the clues, I think they are throwing in some red herrrings. The Bribs taped bag was too obvious on last nights episode.
Posted by: Uther
Does anybody really care who the mole is? I couldn't care less.
BTW, my vote is Katie. :D
Posted by: DancnDude
They've shown the taped Bribs bag before. I'm not sure why his name is taped on there though.
Posted by: David Platt
quote:
Originally posted by DancnDude
They've shown the taped Bribs bag before. I'm not sure why his name is taped on there though.
My guess would be that 'Bribs' is a nickname that he prefers to go by, and the producers messed up and put his given name on the bag.
Posted by: JohnJr
quote:
Originally posted by nataylor
Did anyone notice that at dinner when they were talking about the most trouble they've ever been in that Bribs (I think) said it was when he was 4 and peed on his sister's head? But that answer wasn't one of the possible choices in the quiz, even though there were 9 choices. Was that some kind of hint or just sloppy editing?
I think they creatively rephrased that answer to something like "played a practical joke on another kid".
-John
Posted by: nataylor
quote:
Originally posted by JohnJr
I think they creatively rephrased that answer to something like "played a practical joke on another kid".
Actually, that entry read "got caught playing practical jokes on another kid." Kinda doesn't fit the story. And they had no problem coming up with a concise, accurate choice for Katie's answer. I just find it odd.
Posted by: jsmeeker
Either they put the worng name on his bag, or somethign might have happened to the original, and they were unable to stitch or silkscreen his name on the replacement.
The quiz is difficult for the audience to answere. We don't see all the stuff they ask questions about. Case in point. The "most trouble you have ever been in" discussion. We only heard two or three, yet all the players told their story. The players would hear of course, but we are in the dark.. Too bad. I want to know what the worse thing Heather ever did.
Posted by: FlashingTwelve
quote:
Originally posted by jsmeeker
The quiz is difficult for the audience to answere. We don't see all the stuff they ask questions about. Case in point. The "most trouble you have ever been in" discussion. We only heard two or three, yet all the players told their story. The players would hear of course, but we are in the dark.. Too bad. I want to know what the worse thing Heather ever did.
This site gives hints for whose answer is whose, based on viewer comments.
This Week
http://www.themolefanclub.com/art_quizs2e06.asp
Next Week
http://www.themolefanclub.com/art_quizs2e07.asp
Posted by: spud
quote:
Originally posted by DancnDude
They've shown the taped Bribs bag before. I'm not sure why his name is taped on there though.
My guess: Bribs was originally an alternate and the original player was unable to make it, but the bag was already made with the other player's name. I don't know why they wouldn't have a new bag made tho.
Posted by: zaknafein
I'm sticking with Dorothy. Don't know why, I just am.
Posted by: JohnJr
Well, I can't find the spoiler tag so I will just say this. They showed one diary on the dinner table for an extra long time.
-John
Posted by: JohnJr
Can someone list Diary #'s and their current and past users?
thanks in advance.
-John
Posted by: FlashingTwelve
quote:
Originally posted by spud
My guess: Bribs was originally an alternate and the original player was unable to make it, but the bag was already made with the other player's name. I don't know why they wouldn't have a new bag made tho.
His name is Michael.
Posted by: anolin
quote:
Originally posted by nataylor
Did anyone notice that at dinner when they were talking about the most trouble they've ever been in that Bribs (I think) said it was when he was 4 and peed on his sister's head? But that answer wasn't one of the possible choices in the quiz, even though there were 9 choices. Was that some kind of hint or just sloppy editing?
I got hung up on this "possible clue" for a while and slomo-ed through the choices... I'm pretty sure the one that read:
"I once got into trouble for playing a prank on another kid."
referred to Bribs' pee story.
Posted by: nataylor
quote:
Originally posted by anolin
I got hung up on this "possible clue" for a while and slomo-ed through the choices... I'm pretty sure the one that read:
"I once got into trouble for playing a prank on another kid."
referred to Bribs' pee story.
Here's exactly how the answers appeared, from the link FlashingTwelve posted above:quote:
Arrested for underage drinking at a party
Caught urinating in Times Square on New Years Eve
Caught playing practical jokes on another kid
Broke his friend's grandmother's fruit jar
Missed an award ceremony
Went to lunch at the same time with two dates
Shot the windows out of construction vehicles with a pellet gun
Caught by police climbing into ex-wife's house
Shot her brother with a toy gun fooling around in the house
None of them fit Bribs' story. I just think it was bad editing, personally. I bet after everyone said "Oh Bribs..." he said "No, seriously it was when..." and came out with one of the other answers. It would just be nice if we, as viewers, were on at least a somewhat level playing field with the players.
Posted by: everklier
quote:
Originally posted by Dignan
One thing about the clues, I think they are throwing in some red herrrings. The Bribs taped bag was too obvious on last nights episode.
bribs bag has had the tape on it for at least 3 epidsodes as for as i can remember. Bribs must be a nickname.
Posted by: DJRobX
Bribs is short for his last name. Michael is his first name.
-- Rob
Posted by: Gregd33
I think it is dorothy as well... I agree with zaknafein.
BTW, does zaknafein's avatar freak anyone else out? :)
Posted by: FlashingTwelve
On the least/most-favorite game tonight, did anyone notice the list they showed contained the person executed last week!!??!? There were 8 names on the list but only 7 'others'.
What's up with that? I can't think of an explanation.
EDIT: Oh, maybe it was a flash back to last weeks list, since it wasn't on the note. Phew.
PS: My suspect list is unchanged from last week!
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
In Order: Al, Bribs, Heather, Bill, Darwin, Katie, Dorothy, Elavia (gone!)
I noticed also they were very generous in letting you in on who each person thought was the mole. Will have to remember for next week.
Posted by: cheerdude
Possible Mole clue for this week...
In the Gnome race - when they were talking about Heather greasing her gnome... and yes, I was laughing as well... they cut to the gnome who gets a lighted circle around its eye as you hear a "ding" noise - kinda like when a character winks during a movie or cartoon.
My guess... eye means "I"... as in I am the Mole... which means
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Heather
PS - I was so ready for them to do the quiz. I think that just about everyone of them had Elivia <sp> at or near the bottom of their list (or at the top of their Mole list).
PPS - I hope that. if there is a Mole 3, that they are able to get Anderson back (since he is now a CNN correspondent). His actions/taunts are absolutely essential....almost like Anne Robinson for Weakest Link.
Posted by: FlashingTwelve
Has anyone been keeping track of the Letter hints each week? My guess is they form an anagram puzzle much like the romeo+juliet one.
I agree that Anderson is a great host. Just the right mix of cold/warm, attachment/detachment, interest/nonchalance.
Posted by: David Platt
quote:
Originally posted by cheerdude
).
PPS - I hope that. if there is a Mole 3, that they are able to get Anderson back (since he is now a CNN correspondent). His actions/taunts are absolutely essential....almost like Anne Robinson for Weakest Link.
You know, I never really gave Anderson much thought until last week's game when they were riding up the hill. He rode (in a car) by one of the players struggling up the hill and said something like "this hill's a real bitch, huh?" Ever since then, I've been realizing how funny he is. Tonight was the best:
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
His fakeout on the execution was classic. He even got me on that one.
Posted by: FlashingTwelve
quote:
Originally posted by dplatt
You know, I never really gave Anderson much thought until last week's game when they were riding up the hill. He rode (in a car) by one of the players struggling up the hill and said something like "this hill's a real bitch, huh?"
If I recall, he had a cocktail with a parasol. Very funny!
Posted by: dwells
Found this article today- apparently there is a pretty
good chance that there will be a Mole 3, with Anderson:
http://www.post-dispatch.com/stltod...ument&Headline=
Posted by: vertigo235
MAN! I missed the Mole due to the Scrubathon! :( I just read the recap on TWiP and it sounds like I missed a good show too :(
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
I totaly would ahve taken teh $50,0000
Posted by: cheerdude
dwells - Thanks for the article. Excellenet news... now, as long as ABC doesn't try to put it back on Friday nights, then things should work out OK. <g>
Last night was great - Not only Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Anderson's fake out with the Quiz, including the music
but his overall reaction to it afterwards.
I think that Anderson has been allowed to open up more this season than last... not sure if this was planned or just the fact that he saw too much seriousness with this year's group.
Any comments on Al's jelly taunting Katie ? I wasn't too sure what was so funny with the "Jellyfish" comment, except for the fact that he was extending longer without necessary hurting her feelings... but I do like that the whole group, including Katie, basically lost it at that point. However, you can tell that some of the close-up shots were "after the fact".
Edited to correct tauntee's name... :)
Posted by: shaunrose
quote:
Originally posted by cheerdude
Any comments on Al's jelly taunting Kelli ? I wasn't too sure what was so funny with the "Jellyfish" comment, except for the fact that he was extending longer without necessary hurting her feelings... but I do like that the whole group, including Kelli, basically lost it at that point. However, you can tell that some of the close-up shots were "after the fact".
I think you mean Katie.
Posted by: sallypnut
quote:
Originally posted by cheerdude
Any comments on Al's jelly taunting Kelli ? I wasn't too sure what was so funny with the "Jellyfish" comment, except for the fact that he was extending longer without necessary hurting her feelings... but I do like that the whole group, including Kelli, basically lost it at that point. However, you can tell that some of the close-up shots were "after the fact".
I really liked Al up until that point. He talked about how much she irritates and annoys him, then completely mocks her in front of the whole group. How does her sitting quietly and looking obviously uncomfortable while everyone laughs at her expense make her annoying and irritating? I thought she was a really good sport about it, while he was just kind of mean.
Sorry, that scene just rubbed me the wrong way. ;)
Posted by: Erik
Excellent episode last night. I liked how they are trying to add new twists to the game. Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
The Bribe was very cool!
Up until last night I only had one suspect but now it is at two.
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Darwin was the only one I thought was the mole. But after last night Heather is now a prime suspect.
1. She is very nice and everyone likes her...good move for the mole.
2. She is starting to make "small" mistakes that aren't that noticable or could happen to anyone in a hurry/anxious etc..
a. She touched the bicycle and lost $$
b. Out of nowhere she suggests to take off their shoelaces during the prison breakout game and "gives up the exemption"
c. Last night, even though it didn't matter because Bill broke the gnome, she greased up the gnome for Bill which was would've cost them some $$ AND it wasn't pointed out by the show...maybe not to bring any attention to it?
3. She said that from the beginning that she was going to try and make everyone think that Katie was the mole?? If you were not the mole, wouldn't you want people to thing that you are the mole?
Just my thoughts. I'm glad to see that Mole 3 will more than likely happen and with Anderson.
Posted by: Demandred
The best clue I've seen yet as to who the Mole is is the telegram from Episode 4. I'll explain in spoiler tags. But first, let me warn you that this is a big spoiler. It basically might be giving away the game as to who the Mole is, if it's correct. So only read it if you don't care.
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
When they got the telegram in episode 4, there was a phone number listed on it. The number was
843-6653-47-0024-5500
Now if you take those numbers and look at what they could possibly spell on a phone, it's a very interesting message.
Posted by: sallypnut
quote:
Originally posted by Demandred
The best clue I've seen yet as to who the Mole is is the telegram from Episode 4. [/spoiler]
Wow! Excellent catch. If it's not true, it has to be a deliberate red herring.
Now I'm sort of sorry I looked. Why do I always do that to myself? ;)
Posted by: Erik
quote:
Originally posted by sallypnut
Wow! Excellent catch. If it's not true, it has to be a deliberate red herring.
Now I'm sort of sorry I looked. Why do I always do that to myself? ;)
Same here. Good catch but I hope, for my pride purposes, that it is a red herring.
Posted by: jlb
quote:
The best clue I've seen yet as to who the Mole is is the telegram from Episode 4.
I'm too lazy to figure it out....can someone do so please and spoiler tag it.....thanks!
Posted by: DancnDude
I read the spoiler and say I am very interested, but I don't feel like I want to figure it out right now because I don't think I want to know who the mole is. It is much more fun guessing who you think it is. I'll go back after the show is finished to figure it out.
Posted by: modnar
dwells: Thanks for posting that link!
I hope The Mole returns for a third season!
Posted by: nataylor
Very interesting Demandred. Anyone interested can go here to find out for themselves.
Posted by: jsmeeker
Alavia was a top suspect for me as well. But I too would ahve taken the money. Getting paid $50,000 to take a 3 week vacation in Europe is a sweet deal in my book.
Glad Heather is still in it. She is a *major* babe. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
Posted by: FlashingTwelve
OK, we all have our list of mole suspects, but is there anyone that everyone rules out? I can't possibly see how it could be Katie, eg. Or Dorothy, but I'll get disagreement on D from some.
Any guesses on who will win? My guess is Dorothy. She knows who the mole is, and will beat Katie on the memory games. She has the brains to makeup for lack of brawn. I don't know who is the mole from the remainder, but they've all shown a lack of memory. It'd be cool to see Dorothy, Katie, and the Mole left together. I expect Dorothy+Katie to form an alliance.
Posted by: ufo4sale
what happened if the mole was picked as the least favorite person?
Posted by: jsmeeker
he/she would not have accepted the bribe to leave.
Posted by: vertigo235
OK that is real crazy, if that person is not the mole then that's VERY misleading.
Posted by: DancnDude
quote:
Originally posted by ufo4sale
what happened if the mole was picked as the least favorite person?
I agree with jsmeeker. We probably would have gotten a response, "I came into this game to win it all and for the experience, not just the money" Almost what [the person who left] said, but without taking the bribe.
Posted by: jsmeeker
quote:
Originally posted by vertigo235
OK that is real crazy, if that person is not the mole then that's VERY misleading.
what's misleading?
Posted by: loopey
quote:
Originally posted by cheerdude
Any comments on Al's jelly taunting Katie ? I wasn't too sure what was so funny with the "Jellyfish" comment, except for the fact that he was extending longer without necessary hurting her feelings... but I do like that the whole group, including Katie, basically lost it at that point. However, you can tell that some of the close-up shots were "after the fact".
I thought it was hilarious. The reason it was funny was because Katie has a phobia of jelly... So he was asking "are you afraid of jellyfish too?" (I thought to myself, and jellybeans :) ). She seemed to be laughing at most of it though. It is a wierd phobia.
I love Anderson. Of all the reality TV hosts he's the best. He really acts like one of the group - like when they tossed him in the water, and got grease all over him.
Posted by: timf
Here is the above mentioned spoiler spelled out:
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
THE MOLE IS (00)BILL(00)
Posted by: FlashingTwelve
Re the Telegram "spoiler", the other numbers underneath (there are jpgs on the net) spell...
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
"OR K M" ... KM is Katie Mills
My guess is that the Mole MAY be accusing others of being the mole. Maybe Patrick understood the telegram code and voted along with it and got ousted. Who knows. I still think the only real clue is something formed by clues in each episode added up. But then, I wouldn't be surprised if the Telegram person is the M.
Posted by: DLiquid
I started watching on about the third episode, but I've thought the entire time that the mole is Katie. She's just so unlikely.
Posted by: jsmeeker
quote:
Originally posted by loopey
I love Anderson. Of all the reality TV hosts he's the best. He really acts like one of the group - like when they tossed him in the water, and got grease all over him.
I certaibly would not have complained if Heather greased me up.
:)
Posted by: rasheed
All of the new Anderson antics are intentional according to his interviews.
The execution music played after the walkout definitely was funny, and I wish he went to the computer and started enterting a name before it was cutoff.
I'm not so sure that there will be a Mole 3.
Rasheed
Posted by: Cabby
Wow, that telegram # is something else!! I wonder why they would do such a thing. That's hardly a clue, it literally spells it out!! Sure does take some excitement out of the show if it's true.........you would think since the players are writing down every little detail, that someone would have caught that, it's pretty obvious.......hmmmm
Posted by: betamax
I thought it was funny when the pointy haired guy (forgot his name) was doing card tricks. Anderson said, "If you freak me out, I'm gonna hit you." and he did.
As for guessing, I've got my suspicions, but nothing I'd put money down on. You see only what the producers want you to see.
Posted by: jsmeeker
quote:
Originally posted by Cabby
Wow, that telegram # is something else!! I wonder why they would do such a thing. That's hardly a clue, it literally spells it out!! Sure does take some excitement out of the show if it's true.........you would think since the players are writing down every little detail, that someone would have caught that, it's pretty obvious.......hmmmm
asuiming it's correct. Maybe they are trying to throw us off.
Posted by: hookbillswife
I happen to beleive that the person implicated in that "clue" is the mole, I've thought that since show one. But since I didn't see the number on the telegram, I too wonder if it was an actual clue or not.
Posted by: Cabby
quote:
Originally posted by jsmeeker
asuiming it's correct. Maybe they are trying to throw us off.
Why would they do that, its blatent!! I mean throwing people off by misleading them in a clever way is one thing......spelling out the answer is another. There is no other way that message could be interpreted and those numbers are no coincidence.....I dunno.....
It would be pretty lame of them to say that number was just a coincidence once the show was over and that person really wasn't the mole. That isn't "fooling" your viewers, it's a bold faced lie.
Posted by: vertigo235
wasn't that telegram supose to be send BY THE MOLE, so technicaly it would be fair game for the MOLE to trow people off wouldn't it... whatever huh?
Posted by: DancnDude
Right, why would the Mole (who sent the telegram) implicate himself by saying in the telegram who he/she was? Perhaps the Mole is saying the mole is someone else. (However, I did not read the telegram clue because I don't want to be spoiled in case that IS the answer!)
Posted by: David Bolling
quote:
Originally posted by DancnDude
why would the Mole (who sent the telegram) implicate himself by saying in the telegram who he/she was? Perhaps the Mole is saying the mole is someone else.
For this reason, I think the two people named in the telegram clue can be ruled out as the mole.
Posted by: Dusty
Just got around to watching last week's. I've been thinking one of the best parts is the host...how involved he is with the players is a nice change from other shows, he really knows them, and he's hysterical.
Now I so wish I hadn't not watched this the first season. :(
Posted by: FlashingTwelve
Hmmmmm, weird show tonight!!! Unlike the others.
QUESTION: do you think we can do away with spoiler tags for general 'who got executed' and 'what i think' talk? You'd be crazy to visit this thread now, unless you've watched the show.
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
I'm 75% sure Katie thought Bill was the mole. But maybe she just disliked him, but didnt think he was 'It'.
My guess-list is not changed for the past 3-4 weeks. I think Al, Bribs, Heather could be it, Dorothy is not it, and Bill or Darwin I am unsure of.
Heather sort of moved up in likelihood, and Bill moved down, IMHO. Others status quo. Still, Al and Bribs are big Qs.
Posted by: zaknafein
Yes we can.
FINALLY. I was so sick of her incessant crying!
I was a little concerned Heather was gone. I might have had trouble motivating myself to watch if that were the case.
I'm still sticking with Dorothy. Every week I become more and more convinced.
Also, the whole proposal thing was lame.
Posted by: cheerdude
Yeah - kinda glad to see her leave. I think that her "pissed" comment at the end of the episode will come true. :-)
Any thoughts on this week's clue? The only thing that stood out, for me, was when one of the contestants was introducing Darwin to his significant other... and the camera turned to Anderson who raised an eyebrow.
Granted, he supposedly doesn't know who the Mole is... and it could all be just a bit of "editing magic". However, that was the only thing that I saw.
I think that Heather is definitely the Mole. The pieces are just starting to fit....
Posted by: FlashingTwelve
Heather has certainly risen in my books! But Al and Bribs are right up their too, I'd almost put her on a level pegging now.
I'm really wondering if the tie was Katie and Dorothy, since they both suspected Bill. In a way it'd be good, since Dorothy would now change her tack in voting. Its all very intruiging. (PS I'm displaying my bias for Dorothy as my favorite player here, I'm possibly the only person in ABCs audience who finds her attractive? Hmm)
BTW, Bills page: http://www-nmcp.med.navy.mil/nmcphist/mcdaniel.asp
Posted by: MarkofT
At the start of the show as they were mentioning the weekly clue they flashed the A in Lucca. What were the other letters in that have been hilighted before?
Posted by: FlashingTwelve
its always AL, today in italia. i really dont give it much credit...... (eve though al is #1 suspect in my books)
Posted by: jsmeeker
Mixed geeling about yesterday's show.
Katie is gone. :)
Heather is "off the market". :(
I still can't picture Al as the mole. He doesn't seem moleish enough to me.
Posted by: debtoine
quote:
Originally posted by jsmeeker
I still can't picture Al as the mole. He doesn't seem moleish enough to me.
That's precisely why he could be the mole. He's my pick for the mole (at the moment).
d
Posted by: DancnDude
I still have my suspicions about Dorothy being the mole. But hopefully she isn't and gets kicked out next week. I find her comments really annoying. Moreso than Katie. I found Katie funny and interesting.
Posted by: Dignan
Anderson is really getting funny, my latest favorite moment was when Bill got to see his Brother-in-law and Anderson wiped a fake tear and said, "that was so emotional".
I saw him anchoring some wacky late night news cast a while back, it was really irreverant.
Back to the Mole. RE: Heather, I think that having another (engaged) attractive brunette as the Mole would be a stretch.
Ohmygod,ohmygod,ohmygod,holyshnorky,ohmygod,ohmygod
Posted by: Erik
The only thing keeping me from thinking Heather is the mole is that she's basically the same as Kathryn last season.
But they may do that because we don't think they would do it 2 seasons in a row? I dunno. It was a good episode though. Can't wait until next week.
Posted by: Cabby
quote:
Originally posted by Dignan
Ohmygod,ohmygod,ohmygod,holyshnorky,ohmygod,ohmygod
I will NOT miss that, the cheers that went up at my house when she left were quite amusing. :D
Posted by: jsmeeker
quote:
Originally posted by Dignan
I saw him anchoring some wacky late night news cast a while back, it was really irreverant.
Yeah. It sure was. Now he is hosting a night time news show on CNN.
Posted by: TiVo'Brien
I guarantee you it's Darwin. Think of the demographics :
Black male (politically correct) Mole 1 was white female.
Good looking (female and homosexual viewers love this)
30-something (sponsors love this)
Very personable (everybody loves this)
Plus, he looks like he's part of the staff with a career in television production. His wife looks like she's one of the show's producers. They look very 'staffy'
My .02
Posted by: Cabby
quote:
Originally posted by TiVo'Brien
I guarantee you it's Darwin. Think of the demographics :
Black male (politically correct) Mole 1 was white female.
Good looking (female and homosexual viewers love this)
30-something (sponsors love this)
Very personable (everybody loves this)
Plus, he looks like he's part of the staff with a career in television production. His wife looks like she's one of the show's producers. They look very 'staffy'
My .02
I don't think the Mole is part of the staff before or after the show, they just chose one of the contestants.....I didn't think it was like a paid actor. And regardless, I'm sure they don't "hire" a wife for him. I would think whether he was or wasn't the Mole, he would have a loved one that would want to see him without a need to hire a family member to put on some act.
Posted by: realitivo
I think more and more that Heather is the Mole. I think she purposely screwed up the "identify the loved one" game. There are some other things that just don't gel for me. I think Katie was probably executed because she didn't suspect Heather at all. However, that may also have killed off the woman who had a coalition with Dorothy earlier in the series. I also thought it was very telling that Heather's comment to her boyfriend upon seeing him was "I have been so stressed out - I have no one to talk to!!"
If you remember the first series, Kathryn (the Mole) said the hardest part was having no one to talk to and she broke into tears a few times because of the stress of having to play a part and lie all the time. Heather's reaction was very similar.
The only thing keeping me from being sure about Heather is she is the player most like Kathryn in the first series. I don't know why the producers would pick someone so similar to be the Mole again.
Second on my list is Bribs, then possibly Dorothy.
Posted by: TiVo'Brien
quote:
I don't think the Mole is part of the staff before or after the show, they just chose one of the contestants
You could be right, but from a security standpoint (and the $$$ at stake), if I were the show's producer, I'd want my own employee who I had control over to be the mole.
Posted by: realitivo
quote:
You could be right, but from a security standpoint (and the $$$ at stake), if I were the show's producer, I'd want my own employee who I had control over to be the mole.
Everyone on the show is actually an employee, when you think about it. They all have to sign contracts - if they don't abide by them, they get disqualified or possibly even sued.
Posted by: everklier
i think the producers choose who is going to be the mole from within the group of players who got selected for the show.
Posted by: rasheed
Yes, the Mole is like any other person who tried out for the show, but was asked by the producers to be the mole instead. It isn't a pre-existing employee of the production company who is doing this.
I am still sticking with my choice of Dorothy that I made early in this thread.
Rasheed
Posted by: ChrisNC
Did anyone else notice that in the picture of the family members holding up the newspapers one newspaper was upside down? It looked to me like a man with short dark hair. The only one that fits that description is Heather's fiance. Was this a clue or just a mistake? You be the judge.
Posted by: AndyK
I'm thinking more and more that it really is Dorothy. When it comes to the challenges, she's undoubtedly been the biggest "tool" of the bunch, never failing to fail when given the chance. I thought she was so bad that it was too obvious, but maybe they're trying to hide her in plain sight. It's kind of sad that Katie isn't the Mole, this means that she's really that stupid and she really is a teacher :eek:
Posted by: ufo4sale
does anyone know how much money the mole get's paid? If it isn't a lot then it's not worth being the mole. Unless you like doing that to people.
Posted by: cheerdude
Not exactly sure what the Mole's salary is... however, I would think that it would definitely be worth it.
You are guaranteed to get some money....
You are guaranteed to last the entire trip....
I think that the only bad thing about it is the pressure placed on the Mole.
Posted by: surge
Here's one thing I noticed in the episode before the one with the familiar faces game. It was at the end of the show in the scenes for next week.
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
The scenes from next week showed every contestant except for one.. Then the picture with all the loved ones was shown on the screen and read 'what is missing from this picture' and.. the only contestant who was NOT seen in the scenes from next week was...Heather
Posted by: FlashingTwelve
surge, interestingly they have screwed up in the 'preview for next week' thing before. Previewing the episode where elavia took the money and ran they showed a shot of the execution and elavia was the only person not there (she'd just walked off w/ money...)
Posted by: hookbill
I don't really care who the mole is. I'm just glad Katy is gone. I never saw anyone do so much crying for so little reason.
Maybe I'll be able to enjoy the remaining episodes now.
Posted by: tj
quote:
Originally posted by FlashingTwelve
(I'm possibly the only person in ABCs audience who finds her attractive? Hmm)
No you aren't.
Posted by: David Platt
One thing I keep forgetting to post about Tuesday's episode-- this isn't relevant to the game in any way, so I won't put it in a spoiler:
What in the hell was up with the vomiting dog? Why did the producers feel that shot needed to be included? It made absolutely no sense, and it was just freakin gross.
Posted by: hookbillswife
Maybe that Katie also made the dog want to barf? Only he followed through with it. :)
Posted by: rasheed
quote:
Originally posted by DPlatt
What in the hell was up with the vomiting dog? Why did the producers feel that shot needed to be included? It made absolutely no sense, and it was just freakin gross.
Ah! Well, maybe it was a clue. ;) (It happened to someone else...)
Rasheed
Posted by: David Platt
quote:
Originally posted by rasheed
Ah! Well, maybe it was a clue. ;) (It happened to someone else...)
Rasheed
Hmmm.... I think we may be on to something here. Dog....Dorothy, and they both vomited. ;)
Posted by: AndyK
The dog put more effort into it!
Posted by: FlashingTwelve
I think it made Dorothy look more 'Human' when she laughed, since D has been labelled as someone very cold. I wonder how much of the personalities of the people that we see is in the hands of the editors.
Posted by: cheerdude
Well....
No hints that I could see for who the Mole is. Glad to see that Al and Heather are still in it ... especially since Heather is still my #1 choice for the Mole.
I agreed with Heather that the Night Ball game (and to an extent the Waiter game) were just about impossible to do. However, I wonder on the Waiter - did Anderson actually say that the glass had to stay on the tray when filled ? I would figure that you could pick up the glass, fill it, wipe off any "spillage" on your shirt and then place it on the tray.
Oh well... 3 more shows to go
Jeff
Posted by: FlashingTwelve
Interesting show tonight! Al is still my #1 choice.
Bill chose to neutralize Dorothy which can mean only two things. 1) He is the mole and thinks she knows that he is. 2) He is not the mole and he does not think she is the mole (Why neutralize the mole? There'd be no point), he chose her because she is smart (greatest threat on quizzes). By choosing her, I bumped up his odds of being La Mole somewhat.
Darwin thought Dorothy was the mole (IMO), which is the seed Al has been planting for weeks. It is possible, though, that you could know who the mole is and still get the least points in the quiz.
The spoiler for next weeks show was interesting! Lots of ways to interpret that......
Posted by: John McKee
Another clue tonight:
Pause on the last part of the opening segment where they show the players. At the end a whole bunch of "random" letters and numbers fly past the screen. I say "random" because there is one set that isn't that stays up the entire part. AdMiRaL.
Posted by: nataylor
They also seemed to pause for a while on Bill's room number, 143. Stood out like a sore thumb as an extraneous shot, IMO.
Posted by: Gregd33
Damn I love this show.. I know this one, Mole2, was delayed a LOOONG time by ABC... Does anyone know if there are plans for Mole3?
It would appear now, after that little clue posted by our moderator, the Bill is the Mole... But I still dont like Dorothy... She is a weasel.. Related to the mole I think.. :)
Posted by: dwells
Wow,
That Admiral clue is a doozy- I don't see any way to
discount that one, other than the fact that it is absolutely
impossible for anyone to see, except of course for those
who tape the show, Other than this being a giant
red herring, is there any way that this ISN'T a clear
giveaway as to the identity of the mole?????? The only
thing I can come up with is that this clue comes BEFORE
Anderson states to watch for the hidden clue. Technically,
wouldn't that mean that the "official clue" would have
to come after that?????????????????
What a great, great show- its a crying shame it gets
seen by so few people as compared to the far, far
inferior Survivor.....
Dennis
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