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Kim Possible
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Posted by: TiVoPony

Found my daughter watching a new Disney cartoon last week called Kim Possible.

Ya know what? It's a good show. ;)

Very Buffy-esqe.

Anyone else watching it? We're all hooked now at our house! :)

Check it out. Lots of fun.

Pony

Posted by: billypritchard

Not only has it been clever and funny for a Disney kids show, but there have been tons of cool people doing some voices. So far we've had Ricardo Montalban, Patrick Warburton, Nestor Carbonell (BatManuel from The Tick), and lots more.

This week's ep with Ron working at Buenos Nachos was killer.

Posted by: waruwaru

I keep think Kim has a mustache... Heh. I like the drawing style. It's like a cross between the new Power Puff Girl/Samurai Jack and Freakazoid. Story aint too bad either.

waruwaru

Posted by: sallypnut

An episode of this just showed up in my WL for Felicity Huffman, and I remembered the name of the show from this thread. I'm looking forward to checking it out!

Posted by: doom1701

Pony, thanks for starting another addiction for me! Our living room TiVo picked up Kim Possible as a suggestion last weekend. I probably would have deleted it if I hadn't seen your post. What an incredible show. Anybody that's a fan of the styles of Buffy or The Tick would probably love this show.

Rental Lair's rock! :D

Posted by: Fleegle

My TiVo grabbed Kim Possible as a suggestion about 3 weeks ago when my 15-year-old cousin was staying the weekend, (I'm 28). We were flipping through my list of shows and he saw it. He explained it's a new show that he's wanted to see but could never find. We watched it, and laughed our asses off. We threw a season pass on it and found about 3 more episodes that weekend. I think it's one of the best cartoons to come out of Disney in years. I look forward to seeing more. Oh, and the Bueno Nacho episode is my 2nd favorite so far. Right behind the episode with Ron's old Summer Camp!

BTW: Does Rufas's voice sound familliar? It's none other than Nancy Cartwright. Bart Simpson herself!

Posted by: DanT

I'm disappointed to hear that the Bueno Nacho episode is your 2nd favorite. That's the only one I saw (after setting up a SP because of this thread a few weeks ago) and after watching it, just wasn't impressed. I deleted the SP. After reading some of the more recent comments, I was debating giving it another shot, right up until I read your bit about the Bueno Nacho episode. Oh well. I need to watch less TV anyway.

Posted by: doom1701

Dan, you might want to give the show one more chance; try to catch "Mind Games" (I know it's coming up again this week). If after that one you're not impressed, then the show just isn't for you.

fleegle, Nancy Cartwright isn't the only regular who's voice might be recognized. Ron is played by Will Freidle, who just happens to also be Batman on Batman Beyond. Kinda added a new level to the show when I heard that. I think that's why I love Ron--he goes from Superhero to rather inept sidekick.

Posted by: SLCTivo

Sorry to jump into this a bit late... just joined back up after a couple months' absence.

I started watching KP out of pure coincidence. I saw a blurb for it in Entertainment Weekly and noticed the main character's name and characteristics were VERY familiar (Kim, former hs cheerleader, techno geek, etc). The more I read the weirder it got - DH's name is Ron and we have a pet (cat, not naked molerat) named Rufus. The only thing missing is a Wally in our midst. So, I just HAD to check it out and see if it was worthwhile. First ep we caught was the Buenos Nacho one and that was all it took!

:D
Kim in SLC

Posted by: GatorDeb

I made a Season Pass and have Mind Games recorded, will watch today. It was recommended from here :) I'm always up for some good cartoons.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

Thanks for the heads-up--checked it out, and now I'm lovin' it!

Posted by: TiVoPony

Hey, other people like KP too. Cool. :D

The show is going to be on ABC Saturday mornings starting this Fall too...

And Bueno Nacho is our favorite episode so far.

Pony

Posted by: Pan Chun

I only hope some marketing genius at T-Bell DOESN'T think the "Naco" is truly a GOOD idea! :eek: ;)

BTW--Rufus is very cute, but look up "Naked Mole Rat" sometime and see how ugly these nasty little creatures REALLY are! Yuck! :p

Posted by: grins

TiVoPony, it was actually your daughter that turned us on to it at the Chicago picnic. (oops, I think I just admitted that I don't dote on your every word here on the fora :D) I love the humor, and I especially love that my daughter and I get to watch it together and both enjoy it. Thank your daughter for me for the tip!

t

Posted by: TiVoPony

That's my little evangelist. ;)

Bob

Posted by: Lord Nimon

I saw one episode of KP and I didn't like. What bothered me the most was that Kim's side-kick would often betray her to pursue his own interests. IMHO, that sends a bad message to children.

Posted by: doom1701

quote:
Originally posted by Lord Nimon
I saw one episode of KP and I didn't like. What bothered me the most was that Kim's side-kick would often betray her to pursue his own interests. IMHO, that sends a bad message to children.

What episode was it tha tyou saw? I don't remember any in which Ron betrayed Kim--sure, he had new priorities in Beuno Nacho, but he learned his lesson at the end.

Posted by: Fleegle

They've had a couple of episodes where Ron tries to work his way out of Kim's shadow. They usually have a different lesson, like being true to your friends, or being your own person, not what everyone else wants you to be. I think it's a GREAT show in that regard. doesn't preach to kids, doesn't talk down to them, but gets it point across. I with more shows could be as even-handed in their life lessons.

Posted by: Sinuralan

Hmm, I saw a couple episodes (based on this thread).. couldn't really stand it. The promotion of consumerism and superficial desires and concerns turned me off too much. Felt like I was watching an elaborate industry promotion.

Posted by: grins

Sinuralan, I think you're talking about mass media culture as a whole. Any urban dweller is bombarded with constant reminders that they have to buy more of whatever, and feel bad about themselves as a person because the posessions they prostituted themselves for don't make them happy.

Maybe this makes me an apologist, but I think the fact that KP also adds in some responsibility and compassion (traits sorely lacking in most of our inputs) makes it a little better than <name another show>. I've resisted (until now! ;) ) pointing out that of course Kim is not just a cheerleader, but the captain of the team, with a roughly 12" waist, in a nuclear family, white, with fabulous hair...well the list of acculturation clues (which of course are conversely reasons I'm "not good enough") goes on and on. But look around you right now--how many things are in your sight right now doing exactly the same thing? TiVo guy is bouncing in this window, reminding me that I need more storage. A popup ad from another window is telling me I need a cell phone, a magazine cover shows someone with better skin and whiter teeth than me. I think promoting the good makes a difference, and KP has some good mixed in.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just old and thoroughly cowed, maybe it's that 'Well, the trains run on time' thing, but I'd be sad if Whose Line Is It Anyway didn't exist. :D

Posted by: Lord Nimon

quote:
Originally posted by doom1701
What episode was it tha tyou saw? I don't remember any in which Ron betrayed Kim--sure, he had new priorities in Beuno Nacho, but he learned his lesson at the end.

I don't remember the title, but it was the one where Kim was supposed to guard some prince from a group or knights intent on killing him. The prince decides to run for class president. Well, Kim's sidekick is initially her campaign manager, but then abandons her to campaign for the prince because he thinks the prince has a better chance.

If my sidekick can't even support me for something as lame as high school election, why should I trust him with my life?

Posted by: Pan Chun

quote:
Originally posted by grins
Sinuralan, I think you're talking about mass media culture as a whole. Any urban dweller is bombarded with constant reminders that they have to buy more of whatever, and feel bad about themselves as a person because the posessions they prostituted themselves for don't make them happy.

Couldn't agree more...why bother watching ANY television if that's your attitude? :rolleyes:

Posted by: Sinuralan

quote:
Originally posted by grins
Sinuralan, I think you're talking about mass media culture as a whole. Any urban dweller is bombarded with constant reminders that they have to buy more of whatever, and feel bad about themselves as a person because the posessions they prostituted themselves for don't make them happy.

Hmm, I think you missed what I objected to.

I was objecting to them spending so much time of the episodes focusing on consumerism. KP's constant desire/need/aquisition of consumer items for superficial purposes, is what I dislike. I don't think we need fictional shows where the heros and heroines are pushers for mindless consumerism.

I don't see any other shows going with this approach, though admittedly there are plenty of shows I don't have time to see.

But Buffy, she doesn't spend much time seeking out the new latest hip clothng, etc. At most on Buffy, you see "ooh, nice shoes." A passing comment. You don't see it on Stargate. You don't see it on Farscape. You don't see it on Undressed. You don't see it on Scooby Doo. You don't see it on Everybody Love's Raymond. You don't see it on any other show I can think of.

Product placement in shows is seperate issue. Some shows, say... BB3 and Road Rules, have very prominent product placements. However, the characters in the shows usually aren't pseudo-rolemodels (heros) and the characters aren't actually that interested in the promotions. They're just made to mention the names by the producers.

The number of advertisements in the world or on websites, or in commercials, has no relevance to what I was saying. I wasn't objecting to commercials.

I'm objecting to creating fictional pseudo-rolemodels and having them constantly focused on unhealthy things (and not for the sake of creating a mental dialogue about those things).

And before you say that people should not bechoosing cartoon characters as their role models, I agree. But the fact is, kids take a lot from the heros on the cartoons they watch as a kid. Commerials and product placements are at least showing themselves plainly as what they are. KP isn't just a commercial, it's hyping/worshipping of superficial consumer culture.

I'm not saying it needs to be removed from the air either. Just that I find it very distasteful. The same way I would find watching other brainwashing cartoons distasteful (for example, RIAA's cartoon about Napster).

I can't imagine liking fictional books where the a quarter of the pages in the book were about hyping up consumerism. Nor any other fictional medium which felt so manipulated. When I read/watch a fictional presentation, I want a story that entertains me, not something that is blatantly trying to instill some industry's agenda.

If a child is going to be constantly told "hey, all the cool girls need tons of expensive clothes and makeup, and that's their main priority in life," I'd rather see it in the form of a commercial than disguised in the rolemodel characters of a show.

Posted by: Sinuralan

quote:
Originally posted by Pan Chun
Couldn't agree more...why bother watching ANY television if that's your attitude? :rolleyes:

Because 98% of fictional televison shows don't have one of the main ambitions of the hero characters to promote real-life industry agendas/propaganda?

Your arguments make no sense. How much regular advertising in life is irrelevant, I never objected to commercials.

Heck, I bet you wouldn't like it if shows all became like the joke Wayne's World did. With the 'characters' constantly stopping to pretend they love some product and do mini-promotions with it. Well, while not great, I think that'd be BETTER than what KP does.

At least with the WW's style promotion, it was blatant promotion. They were clearly stopping to sell something, as opposed to just having the characters be addicts of a particular brand, and constantly talking about how much they need more of that brand of food.

But imagine if every Superman comic had Superman worshipping gas guzzling vehicles, G Bush, oil industry, and other industry propaganda. Wouldn't you find that somewhat insulting?

I would.

Posted by: TiVoPony

quote:
Originally posted by Sinuralan

Hmm, I think you missed what I objected to.

I was objecting to them spending so much time of the episodes focusing on consumerism. KP's constant desire/need/aquisition of consumer items for superficial purposes, is what I dislike. I don't think we need fictional shows where the heros and heroines are pushers for mindless consumerism.

Sorry, but I don't see this at all. I think the show is fun, and actually works a lesson into each episode without being preachy.

Yes, there was one episode where Kim wanted a new coat. Obsessed over it. But you know what...to get it she went out and got a job, to earn the money herself. Good lesson. You want something, go earn the money for it. Don't expect a handout.

And I recall an episode where she lectured a villian about conservation, that he was draining too much energy and harming those around him.

Or the one where her buddy Ron learned that a fancy haircut and cool clothes are less important than the person inside.

Or the one where they take rampant pokes at the consumerism around Beanie Babies...the villian is an obsessive collector.

Like I said, I don't see a focus on promoting consumerism. I see a good role model, and good lessons. And it's fun.

But then again, I have a nine year old daughter, who enjoys shopping at The Limited Too. And Old Navy. I guess I don't see the harm in someone desiring a product, as long as they're willing to sacrifice a bit to get it. I think that's a pretty natural thing.

Especially if you're obsessing over a TiVo. ;)

KP may not be for you...but it's welcome in our house! :)

Cheers,
Pony

Posted by: Sinuralan

Well, as I said, I've only seen two episodes. Perhaps those were more heavily pushing than the rest.

I do see harm in people I care about having constant, unreasonable superficial desires for products that they don't need or have a use for, even if it means they have to sacrifice a bit.

I see plenty of people sacrificing years of their lives for an expensive car and other luxuries, then being unhappy because of the grind that they're trapped themselves in.

Just because someone can con someone else into sacrificing for something they've instilled with 'value' through hype/commrecials, doesn't mean it's good.

The show may tell them that what's inside is more important.. but with everything else, that adds up to "you've got what you've got inside, so better go spend money on expensive clothes and makeup to improve the outside!"

But hey, I'm just saying I found it insulting/offensive. But I admit I may be particularly sensitive to what I feel are manipulation through content. You make a straight sales pitch, fine, that's good.. you try to scam/manipulate me, you're gone.

Posted by: Pan Chun

I guess some people can find a sinister conspiracy theory just about anywhere. :rolleyes:

Posted by: billypritchard

Hey KP fans! How have the past three or four episodes been? I moved back at the beginning of August and am cable/satellite-less for the time being, and the lack of Kim Possible is really tough. One of my friends is T-n-T-ing them for me (Tivoing and Taping), but I've yet to see one. My favorite was "The New Ron" with his cool haircut, and of course he had to get new pants ;)

Major Withdrawal.

(that makes me think of Sheep in the Big City, another cool toon that I haven't seen since the move. Darn broadcast tv!)

Posted by: grins

quote:
Originally posted by Sinuralan

Hmm, I think you missed what I objected to. I was objecting to them spending so much time of the episodes focusing on consumerism.

Sinuralan, I don't think I did, I think I just missed the episodes you saw. :) I haven't seen that many, but have to agree with TiVoPony that I've seen a much more balanced approach to consumerism.

That's why I ass-umed and talked about the implicit acculturation subtext that even Buffy is guilty of...I mean, just cause Buffy isn't shown going to the mall doesn't me Buffy/SMG/the stylist for the show aren't trend setters, or that the 'cool shoes' comment don't spike sales, and again--thin, white, fabulous hair, even a cheerleader for an episode, wasn't she? Or am I thinking of Cordie? ;) I'll grant you, though, nuclear family...not so much :D

quote:
Originally posted by Sinuralan

I do see harm in people I care about having constant, unreasonable superficial desires for products that they don't need or have a use for, even if it means they have to sacrifice a bit.

ding! right on the money!

quote:
Originally posted by Sinuralan

I see plenty of people sacrificing years of their lives for an expensive car and other luxuries, then being unhappy because of the grind that they're trapped themselves in.

ding!

quote:
Originally posted by Sinuralan

Just because someone can con someone else into sacrificing for something they've instilled with 'value' through hype/commrecials, doesn't mean it's good.

ding!

quote:
Originally posted by Sinuralan

But hey, I'm just saying I found it insulting/offensive. But I admit I may be particularly sensitive to what I feel are manipulation through content. You make a straight sales pitch, fine, that's good.. you try to scam/manipulate me, you're gone.

Go, girl! :D

The only caveat I'll add is that advertisers have been doing it for a long time, and literally billions of dollars are at stake. They're really good at it now. I'm supposedly smart, and seem to feel this issue is important, and try to be aware of the 'buy me!' message. Throw some chrome on it, though, and I'm a fish on a hook. Hey Pony! Chrome DTiVos! :D

Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox. I do appreciate your reasoned and reasonable response, and I'm happy to agree to disagree about KP

You give me hope for the future, too. :)

Posted by: TiVoPony

quote:
Originally posted by billypritchard
Hey KP fans! How have the past three or four episodes been? I moved back at the beginning of August and am cable/satellite-less for the time being, and the lack of Kim Possible is really tough. One of my friends is T-n-T-ing them for me (Tivoing and Taping), but I've yet to see one. My favorite was "The New Ron" with his cool haircut, and of course he had to get new pants ;)

Major Withdrawal.

(that makes me think of Sheep in the Big City, another cool toon that I haven't seen since the move. Darn broadcast tv!)

They've been pretty good. I haven't seen last week's though (Kim coaches her brother's soccer team). My daughter's seen it, a couple of times. But I haven't yet. Gotta love TiVo.

We're still waiting to see the monkey boy episode. That's the only one in the opening credits that hasn't shown up yet...

:D

Pony

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

I continue to love the show, but now something weird has happened. I wanted to get a KP t-shirt (so everybody would know how cool I am), so I went to the Disney Store web site---

---and there's no KP merchandising!!! AOL/Time-Warner/ABC/Disney/etc. has PASSED UP an opportunity to market something!

What a strange world we live in...

Posted by: doom1701

Pony, we caught Monkey Boy (Or Monkey Kung Fu!)--pretty good. Still not "Mind Games" good, but good none the less. Our TiVo picked up the "Kim coaches the soccer team" one, but DTV's guide data must have been off, 'cause it was a different episode.

Medieval--that's amazing. They've could do clothing, toys and stuffed dolls (who wouldn't want a stuffed Roufus in their pocket, or a hair dryer grapple?), music CDs...somebody at Disney is slipping...

Posted by: TiVoPony

Hey guys,

My daughter found a Kim Possible TiVo reference...see the "TiVo Spotting" thread in the Coffee House.

Or click here: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...8028#post708028

:D

Pony

Posted by: TiVoPony

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
I continue to love the show, but now something weird has happened. I wanted to get a KP t-shirt (so everybody would know how cool I am), so I went to the Disney Store web site---

---and there's no KP merchandising!!! AOL/Time-Warner/ABC/Disney/etc. has PASSED UP an opportunity to market something!

What a strange world we live in...

Well, it's going to be broadcast on ABC as well this Fall, as part of their Saturday morning package. I'll bet the merchandise will follow...

Pony

Posted by: c3po33

I have seen KP from the beginning and love the show. Have not missed an episode yet. Bueno Nacho is my favorite episode so far. My wife thinks I'm crazy for seeing the show but I really like it a lot.:)

Posted by: rasheed

I just saw this show for the first time yesterday (Bueno Nacho).

It reminded me of an animated-Alias.

Rasheed

Posted by: doom1701

I think I've finally seen all the eps--I caught the "Kim coaches the soccer team" ep tonight (decent, although I don't think Ricardo Mantiban was back), and we saw the Halloween episode the other night. Still nothing to top "Mind Games", but good TV none the less.