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Farscape... bah.
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Posted by: GatorDeb

I've heard from many that Farscape was the most brilliant invention since the wheel. I saw 5 minutes and it didn't grab me. It feels too much Star Trek and I hate Star Trek :)

(and yes, an awesome series CAN grab you... I was hooked on Buffy from the first SECOND of the first scene... from the FIRST shot I couldn't get enough of it, same with ER, The X-Files, etc).

I will give it one more chance next week, then it's off the season pass :)

Posted by: Pan Chun

Go ahead and delete it. It doesn't need YOUR 5 minutes to succeed.

Posted by: AndyK

Boy, someone came back grumpy....and UGLY ;)

:D

Deb,

Because the show's plot works in an arc, it might be a bit harder to jump into than many other series. Give it a chance, it might just grow on you. If not, don't worry about it! It's just a frelling TV show!

Posted by: GatorDeb

Am I correct in the assessment that it's a Star-Trekky show?

Posted by: AndyK

quote:
Originally posted by GatorDeb
Am I correct in the assessment that it's a Star-Trekky show?

I don't know what "Star-Trekky" means exactly. I don't see many comparisons beyond the whole traveling through space thing. Farscape is quite a bit darker and more sarcastic than ST and the good guys aren't always all good, nor the bad guys all bad. there are always more than a few modern American pop references thrown in for good measure.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

I hate Star Trek. (And I hate TNG, and I dislike Voyager, and I like Enterprise, and I like DS9.)

I love Farscape.

Since you don't seem to have seen the first second of the first scene (which was over three years ago), perhaps you're not being entirely fair...but that would be your problem, not Farscape's! :D

Seriously, as has been noted, this is a show that builds over time; to jump in now, I can see where the first five minutes of a random episode would be off-putting, since you wouldn't have a clue what's going on. Borrow somebody's Season 1 dvds...

Posted by: Pan Chun

quote:
Originally posted by AndyK
Boy, someone came back grumpy....and UGLY ;)

Hey, if someone thinks they can make an honest, considered opinion based on a random 5 minute sample, they're better off watching Survivor or some other LCD crap. If they're willing to PAY ATTENTION to something for a considered length of time without resorting to unqualified comparisons (the ONLY similarity to ANY version of Star Trek is that they are on a space ship...otherwise ZERO similarity at all) then maybe they'll figure it out for themselves.

Otherwise, they're simply better off sticking to reality shows that spell it all out for them. Five minutes + unqualified judgement = zero sympathy from me.

Posted by: GatorDeb

And when did I say that the show is without merit or bad? Or were my words "It didn't grab ME" ?

Posted by: MKREdit

After feeling I was watching to much TV I intentionally avoided Farscape for a long time determined not to get invloved but once I watched the show I was in. Its smart well done and very funny its the only scifi show my girlfriend will watch. so good i made a point of watching the reruns so I could see it from the beginning of the series. I will admit that coming in this season cold is probably hard because of the massive back story. If you wanna see what the hype of the show is all about rent the 1st season DVD's if you like smart scifi you'll be hooked

Posted by: CoosCoos

quote:
Originally posted by AndyK
Boy, someone came back grumpy....and UGLY ;)

And with a vengeance! ;)

(But he is right. :eek: This time. ;))

Posted by: Pan Chun

quote:
Originally posted by GatorDeb
And when did I say that the show is without merit or bad? Or were my words "It didn't grab ME" ?

"Farscape...bah" says it quite succinctly.

Posted by: Sinnerman

quote:
Originally posted by MKREdit
After feeling I was watching to much TV I intentionally avoided Farscape for a long time determined not to get invloved but once I watched the show I was in. Its smart well done and very funny its the only scifi show my girlfriend will watch. so good i made a point of watching the reruns so I could see it from the beginning of the series. I will admit that coming in this season cold is probably hard because of the massive back story. If you wanna see what the hype of the show is all about rent the 1st season DVD's if you like smart scifi you'll be hooked

I had been watching most of season 1. But with school, and I thought it wasn't very good I stopped watching. Picked up a few episodes of Season 2, then I moved, so I missed.

Basically I know who the characters are (except for the Princess who's gone and Grandma and I know what happend to Xan and the guy with he metal face). Instead I beefed up on the 2 minute background on scifi.com. Not too bad.

Posted by: AndyK

quote:
Originally posted by Pan Chun
Hey, if someone thinks they can make an honest, considered opinion based on a random 5 minute sample, they're better off watching Survivor or some other LCD crap. If they're willing to PAY ATTENTION to something for a considered length of time without resorting to unqualified comparisons (the ONLY similarity to ANY version of Star Trek is that they are on a space ship...otherwise ZERO similarity at all) then maybe they'll figure it out for themselves.

Otherwise, they're simply better off sticking to reality shows that spell it all out for them. Five minutes + unqualified judgement = zero sympathy from me.

What if she said she hates Enterprise? :D

Posted by: Pan Chun

Hey, I gave them a DOZEN freakin' episodes to do something worthwhile! :) I personally wouldn't spout off about ENT like I sometimes do if I'd only sampled it for 5 minutes and decided it wasn't for me based on just that.

Posted by: jasoncarr

5 mins is frequently enough time to sample a show. Humans, out of necessity, make quick judgements about all sorts of things: traffic flow, human relationships, etc. If we didn't then commercials and movie trailers would not exist.

"I better buy the Ronco rotisserie and use it for 12 weeks to make sure I have exercised due diligence. And I better watch every movie because the trailer doesn't provide a large enough sample to base a decision on."

Posted by: mickeymammoth

I just started watching Farscape this season, and I love it. I read the background on scifi.com, rented all the back-DVDs, and am now waiting impatently for the rest of the DVDs to come out.

My husband didn't want to watch it, but I made him watch more than one episode, and now he's hooked. I think this takes a few episodes to get into; after all, not all episodes are genius.

It's great for men and women, with very attractive cast members of both sexes.

As for being "Star Trek-y," it resembles Star Trek in that it's in space, and has some of the same "meet new aliens", "escape scary aliens" episodic quality. But the writing is so different from ST, and most other shows, it's not a deep comparison. Farscape is ribald, ironic, sexy, and funny. ST in comparison is dead dull.

Posted by: DLiquid

quote:
Originally posted by GatorDeb
(and yes, an awesome series CAN grab you... I was hooked on Buffy from the first SECOND of the first scene... from the FIRST shot I couldn't get enough of it, same with ER, The X-Files, etc).

Yeah, and Buffy is a much better show than Farscape. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :o

Posted by: GatorDeb

quote:
Originally posted by DLiquid
Yeah, and Buffy is a much better show than Farscape. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :o

Uhm... YEEESSSSSSSS!!!!!!! :p

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by GatorDeb
Uhm... YEEESSSSSSSS!!!!!!! :p

Uhm... NOOOOO!!! Not lately...with Buffy's decline and Farscape's rise, they've crossed paths, although they're both still purdy darn good.

Posted by: unoriginal

quote:
Originally posted by jasoncarr
5 mins is frequently enough time to sample a show. Humans, out of necessity, make quick judgements about all sorts of things: traffic flow, human relationships, etc. If we didn't then commercials and movie trailers would not exist.

Movie trailers do not tell us whether a movie is good or not. Trailers, like commercials, are just a way of grabbing your attention so you will check it out.

Posted by: Pan Chun

This is true...how many G R E A T trailers have you seen for C R A P movies?

(The trailer for STAR TREK: NEMESIS is awesome...but according to the leaked script (which the trailer supports completely), the movie will suck on a MAJOR level...we shall see!)

Posted by: bprothero

Only the odd numbered TREK movies suck though. :confused:

1. ST: The Motion Picture = sucks
2. ST: The Wrath of Khan = very good
3. ST: The Search for Spock = pretty much sucks
4. ST: The Voyage Home = good
5. ST: The Final Frontier = major sucks
6. ST: The Undiscovered Country = good
7. ST: Generations = sucks
8. ST: First Contact = very good
9. ST: Insurrection = so-so
10. ST: Nemesis = ?????

Do you think Nemesis is going to break the EVEN/ODD pattern?

;)

If I remember from comments last year, Nemesis is using the same basic story from "Apocalypse Now" ("Heart of Darkness" is the original novel I think). That was a pretty good movie.

Posted by: Pan Chun

There is no pattern.

ST VI sucked, despite its relative popularity...for some reason IV has fallen out of favor with hardcore Trek fans (too mainstream, too much humor, maybe?)...and frankly, I'm not overly impressed with VIII although it did "have its moments".

Of course, you had to KNOW that whole "even/odd" movies thing was a bunch of hooey all along! :)

(For those who don't know, VI was "The Undiscovered Country" with the pink Klingon blood and the ridiculous 1-day trial and incarceration and escape plot, IV was "The Voyage Home", the time-traveling one about the whales...and VIII was "First Contact" which introduced the silly Borg Queen :rolleyes: and made it so Picard & Crew ultimately had to orchestrate the first warp drive jump in the mid-21st century so humans and Vulcans could meet.)

The NEMESIS script I read (and which every scene of the trailer seems to verify as accurate) bore zero resemblence to Apocalypse Now!...it's more of a weak rip-off of The Wrath of Khan. Why does it have to be a rip-off of ANYthing? Can't they come up with something new and original on their own? Berman and Braga (or in this case, Berman and script writer John Logan who admits to modeling large segments of his script on Khan) continue to show they are creatively bankrupt. :(

<sniffle> Sad, really. :(

Posted by: bprothero

Good point. I thought #4 was funny... but it isn't my favorite (to much comic relief). #6 was generally good though... although I didn't buy the "pink" blood either. #8 was very good in my opinion... but how couldn't it be... with Borgs? Yet, I agree, the whole "Borg Queen" thing kinda ruined the Borgs from that point on all the way through Voyager.

The Borg were much more ominious and scary up to the Queen's introduction... with no single intelligence... but a collective intelligence made of pure logic and a single focus on acquiring technology. Carbon life forms were insignificant and mostly ignored... unless you had tech that they wanted. The Queen watered down the Borg into just another villian.

Posted by: bprothero

Retread is a real problem with STAR TREK for the last couple series. Enterprise was suppose to inject some new life and story lines into the franchise; but so far most of the episodes have been "same old, same old".

I like Enterprise but no more than Voyager. It has much more potential and I'm hoping they do more with this coming season. But with Braga, all bets are off. :(

Posted by: Pan Chun

That's exactly correct. Personally, it seems to me like "First Contact" and the horny Borg Queen was the beginning of the downward slide (leading to Voyager and Enterprise) for Trek. If Berman had retired from Trek at that point, he would have gone out pretty much "on top" (the movie WAS a hit) and then fresh blood could (and should) have been brought in to creatively steer the movie and TV franchises.

You ever have a friend come by you REALLY enjoy seeing...but they've LONG overstayed their welcome and now they just REALLY get on your nerves?

That's how I feel about Berman (and, by extension, Braga). But, of course, this is a Farscape thread...not a Trek thread! :)