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I have never seen Buffy
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Posted by: justapixel
..and I regret it.
When it first came on, I thought it was a teenage type show, like Melrose Place or something. I didn't read much about it and it flew under my radar. However, I guess it's great and I'm sorry I missed it.
I guess there is a first season DVD, right? Should I get it? How long has it been on?
Posted by: Bryanmc
Ann,
I was like you for the longest time.
I had friends that told me what a great show this was and how smart it was and I just never bought it.
Finally, last year I decided to jump on board when FX started running them from the beginning and have been hooked ever since.
My suggestion is to not read anything just pick up the first season DVD and start into it. If you're able to watch and learn with a blank mind you'll love the series.
We just finished season 6. FX runs them pretty much in order with one everyday. Try to jump on board!
Enjoy!
Posted by: Pan Chun
Also note, even if you're not MADLY in love with the first season (which is just 13 episodes, btw), the show TRULY hits it's stride in season 2.
Posted by: Bryanmc
Pan is right. Season 2 is fantastic. By that time you'll know the characters and can really get into the show.
Go out now!!! Buy the DVD!!! :D
Posted by: Maui
I agree with the others. It's time to view the DVDs and the show hits it's stride somewhere around the halfway point of season 2
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
No, I think it hit its stride with Prophecy Girl, at the end of Season 1. And you really need the rest of Season 1 to appreciate Prophecy Girl. So--start from the beginning!
And Season 3 is when it really kicks a$$...
(You may, however, skip Season 4 without major side effects.)
Posted by: ClutchBrake
quote:
Originally posted by justapixel
[BI guess there is a first season DVD, right? Should I get it? How long has it been on? [/B]
I have the season 1 and 2 box sets for sale. :D I got them off eBay a couple of months ago so that I could start watching Buffy. I finished the box sets just in time to get started with season 3 on FX.
The seventh season starts next month and the box set of season 3 is scheduled for a Winter release.
Posted by: buffan
No self-respecting 30+ adult would admit to liking Buffy...except apparently those of us here.
I still occassionally have a hard time admitting it at work.
And my wife makes fun of me for liking it :rolleyes: She's tried to get into it, but just doesn't care for the genre at all.
Since people are talking about which seasons are best, here's my list of the seasons in order of best to least-best (note that I didn't say worst, as I think that even season six was pretty good).
3
2
5
1
4
6
Posted by: uncdrew
quote:
Originally posted by justapixel
I thought it was a teenage type show, like Melrose Place or something.
My autobiography title: I was a 27-year old teenager. :)
Posted by: bareyb
Huh. So it would appear that the latest season has not been a good indicator of the shows worth? That might explain it. I ran a Season Pass for it over the Summer and watched about 4 episodes and then started noticing that they just began to slide off the bottom of my Now Playing list... I just found myself never being "in the mood" for them. Maybe I will pick up the DVD set and give it a fair chance... Once I'm hooked I know I'd be more forgiving... :D
Posted by: JYoung
quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
(You may, however, skip Season 4 without major side effects.)
:eek: and miss The Harsh Light of Day, Wild at Heart, Something Blue, Hush, A New Man, This Year's Girl, Who Are You?, Superstar, New Moon Rising, and Restless?
I'm proud to say that I watched it from the beginning. I saw the pilot and "got it"..
Posted by: DrStrange
Season 4 had some good episodes. But season 5 can be safely skipped IMO and season 6 is best avoided altogether, except for OMWF of course.
But the first three seasons, and especially season 2 are why I still have a Buffy wishlist even though I've seen them all multiple times, and they still are among the first things I pick off Now Playing.
Posted by: Xaa
quote:
Originally posted by ClutchBrake
and the box set of season 4 is scheduled for a Winter release.
Did I miss something? I didn't think the season three set was out yet.
Xaa
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
Strange: I was talking about the seasons as seasons, in terms of the original question about DVD sets. I agree that 4 had some good episodes, but it added nothing whatsoever to the overall series, whereas if you skip 5 you won't have a clue what's going on afterward. 6 might be as disposable as 4, but we'll have to see how 7 develops to know; I suspect that they will be building on the events of 6.
Posted by: Javaman
Has there been any word on the DVD release of season three. I'm not asking for myself, I'm asking for my cats. They seem to like the show. ;)
Posted by: GatorDeb
I had never heard of it. During Netflix Express' (Netflix inside a grocery store... only 1 in the whole US) 3-week stint, I picked it up while waiting for another boxset, just to take something home. From the first scene in the first episode, I was HOOKED. Saw the first and second boxset on DVD (rented), then picked up season 3 on F/X, now I'm on season 4 on F/X and picked up Season 1 for ~$24 and Season 2 for ~$23.
Two per year... so slow... sigh :(
I am so utterly, totally hooked on that show. And I saw the first episode less than two months ago.
Posted by: GatorDeb
quote:
Originally posted by Javaman
Has there been any word on the DVD release of season three. I'm not asking for myself, I'm asking for my cats. They seem to like the show. ;)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...7878531-3273633
Pretty much every Jan-Mar (winter) one comes out, and another comes out every Jun-Aug (summer).
Season 1: winter 2002
Season 2: summer 2002
Season 3: winter 2003
Season 4: summer 2003
Season 5: winter 2004
Season 6: summer 2004
Posted by: zaknafein
OK, I admit, I've never seen Buffy either, except for a few snipits if I happen accross FX. Guess I'm off to TiVoWeb to make a SP.
Posted by: Pan Chun
quote:
Originally posted by GatorDeb
I had never heard of it.
http://216.40.241.68/cwm/cwm/eek2.gif
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
I am constantly amazed at the sheer number of people who have never experienced the glory that is Buffy.
(Not to be confused with Glory, although she was pretty buff...)
Has to be the title. I'm one of those rare people who liked the movie when it came out (didn't love it, but though it was funny and kinda cool), so I was pre-sold on the series and never gave the title much thought. But I know that when I mention watching the show to my family, I get some very strange looks...and these are people who already know that I'm a freak of nature (at least by suburban Minnesota standards)! So that tells me that in the popular consciousness, Buffy hasn't even registered as something that geeks find cool.
Posted by: biker
I finally got to see all shows by watching on Fx.
Posted by: billypritchard
Just thought I'd chime in with all the Buffy love. (mmm...buffy love...)
I got hooked at the beginning of season 2 and was overjoyed when they reran most of the season 1 episodes that same spring. I was all caught up! Unfortunately, like a lot of people here, I was the only one of my friends who got it, so I was isolated and alone :(
Then last spring I discovered the magic of region free DVDs and bought seasons 1-3 from the UK. I began a weekly dinner with two or three friends where one of us would cook and then we'd watch a couple of episodes. We went in order, and haven't stopped since. Along the way we've picked up enough people that now we have dinners for 10 every week, and all but one were Buffy newbies. I always knew my friends were smart enough to 'get it', I just had to cook them dinner to prove it.
The best part was getting them hooked and dying to see the next episodes. The giddy anticpation before watching eps like Passion, Becoming, The Wish, Hush, Restless, OMWF. Of course there has also been dread before showing them the few stinkers like Ted or Doublemeat Palace.
We just watched Older and Far Away last night, so there are only 4 weeks left until we're done. Then season 7 can start. If we manage to get to see it that is (thank you UPN for not being available in St. Louis...)
Posted by: DrStrange
quote:
Originally posted by zaknafein
OK, I admit, I've never seen Buffy either, except for a few snipits if I happen accross FX. Guess I'm off to TiVoWeb to make a SP.
Buffy is best watched in order, both for continuity and quality reasons. FX just started rerunning season 4, not the point to jump in. Wait until they get back to season 1 few months from now, or get a hold of the season 1 & 2 DVDs.
Posted by: Mars Rocket
I knew about Buffy but had never watched it until I caught an episode from Season 5 (The Body) at 3am while feeding one of the new babies last March. I was really impressed with the writing so I set up my Season Passes and checked out some episode lists online.
It was apparent that I should start at the beginning, and at the time fx was in the middle of Season 4 or 5, so I started downloading the dirst two seasons and watching them on my PC. Meanwhile my TiVo was collecting Season 5 and 6 and holding them for me.
I finally got through all the episodes week or two ago, and in the process managed to hook my wife as well. Too bad there's probably only going to be one more season. :(
Posted by: mattdrury
Despite friends' best efforts, I blew the show off when it first aired. Now I'm trying to complete the whole set of episodes. Hopefully this coming season, claiming to "get back to its roots" will be even better. (Ah, Willow...)
Posted by: jasoncarr
Last season was lame enough that it turned me and the Dear Wife over to Angel instead.
The whole "we gotta be so cute" dialog on BtVS was getting even more artificial. Dawn is irritating; we kept hoping she'd get killed off.
A-a-and is it required by the dialog coach for all female chars to start all their lines with a stutter? (particularly Willow, Tara, and Dawn).
I-I-I guess so. But I-i-i'ts maddening.
POSSIBLE SPOILER BELOW:
Two saving graces from last season: Willow sometimes got to speak in her woman-voice rather than the cutesy-voice, and the relationship between Buff and you-know-who.
Posted by: DrStrange
quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
I was talking about the seasons as seasons, in terms of the original question about DVD sets. I agree that 4 had some good episodes, but it added nothing whatsoever to the overall series
That's not completely true. From a continuity standpoint...
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Spike got chipped...
Willow and Oz split, Willow and Tara hooked up...
Buffy and Riley hook up, which lasts for a bit into season 5...
Faith awoke and came back for some closure, although her story arc finished on Angel...
Warren was introduced...
Jonathan casts his uber-Jonathan fantasy spell, which provides the basis for his role in the trio...
Giles bought the magic shop...
Not all of them are that major themselves but season 4 did change a lot of things and established some basis for several later season story arcs.
Posted by: JYoung
Sorry Doc, but
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Giles bought the Magic Box at the beginning of Season 5 along with his BMW Convertible (Little two door tramp)
Posted by: DrStrange
quote:
Originally posted by jasoncarr
The whole "we gotta be so cute" dialog on BtVS was getting even more artificial.
This is why I have little faith that season 7 will really improve. My problems with season 6 went beyond the depressing storylines, dysfunctional relationships, Dawns self-centered whining, the trios constant nerd cliches, etc. It was that the dialog lacked the wit that earlier seasons had in abundance. They can fix the characters lives up all they want, but if they could still write clever dialog (which is what keeps me watching the old eps) wouldn't they have been doing it?
Posted by: DrStrange
quote:
Originally posted by JYoung
Sorry Doc, but
Oops I misremembered a little. The rest still applies though, doesn't it?
Posted by: Pan Chun
IMO, the most significant failing of season 6 was the dearth of RUPERT GILES episodes. He has ALWAYS been the show's anchor and when he departed, there was a distinct void there. It didn't help that Buffy's mom wasn't around either, as she was the most "real" member of the group...the one who had the most to lose by accepting the entire slaying mythos.
Giles plays a more significant role in season 7, so perhaps that will rectify a lot of the shortcomings. I'm hopeful it will, anyway.
Posted by: ClutchBrake
quote:
Originally posted by Xaa
Did I miss something? I didn't think the season three set was out yet.
Xaa
Typo on my part. Hit 4 instead of 3. Edited to fix.
Posted by: Tsiehta
Can I just ask, what is it that all you people like about this show?
Posted by: jhausmann
quote:
Originally posted by Tsiehta
Can I just ask, what is it that all you people like about this show?
A domineering/dominant woman surrounded by some flaky personalities. What's not to like? Although, I stopped watching when Buffy died and switched networks.
Posted by: GatorDeb
quote:
Originally posted by Tsiehta
Can I just ask, what is it that all you people like about this show?
Have you seen it?
The wittiest dialog around.
Student: Have you read Of Human Bondage?
Buffy: Sorry I'm not into porn.
Buffy: If I were up to full slayer power I'd say something witty now.
Giles walking into that tree :D
It is such an awesome show, and they have one of THE greatest ensembles around. There is NO weakest link here (I'm up to season 4, so I have yet to judge on Dawn and Glory :)). Riley is HOT :)
Posted by: DrStrange
Zander: I have an idea - we use me as bait.
Buffy: You mean make Angel come after you?
Zander: No I mean chop me into little pieces and stick me on hooks for fish to nibble at, 'cause it would be more fun than my life.
----------------
(This one paraphrased as I don't remember the exact dialog)
Willow: I figure I have two choices; I can wait for Zander to date every other woman on the planet before he gets around to me, or I can get on with my life.
Buffy: Good for you!
Willow: Well, I haven't chosen yet.
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Posted by: LoadStar
DrStrange, it's "Xander" - short for Alexander. And yes, Nitpick IS my middle name, thanks. :)
I started watching Buffy with "Once More with Feeling" this season - then through the rest of the season managed to get caught up on the rest of Season 6, bought the DVD's for Season 1 and 2, and pretty much caught the rest of the episodes of 3-5 on FX.
I personally don't think there has been a bad season yet - including Season 6. It was a darker season, which lent to more drama, less witty dialog, but that isn't bad either, it's just different. For me, Season 6 is what hooked me, and the rest kept me hooked. Now, are there episodes that I'd skip? Of course - two I could name right now are "Bad Eggs" and "Doublemeat Palace."
And, totally OT, but... why is it when I look at the tag under GatorDeb's name, I get this mental image of someone walking up behind me chomping on a giant bag of really loudly crunching junk food, like pretzels or potato chips? Is it just me that gets that image? :)
Posted by: GatorDeb
It's Xander, as in ALEXander ;) :D
Darn you... got there first :P :)
You DO know what it really means right?
I was thinking of changing it to "It was a lie-I got no brick."
MAJOR brownie points to whoever can correctly explain that one first :)
Posted by: DrStrange
Yes I did know his real name, I just didn't know the proper spelling of his nick. So stake me.
Ok smart alecks, what's his middle name, and which episode did he say it in? No fair going to google (although I did because I forgot the name, but I knew the ep/scene)
Posted by: GatorDeb
Lavelle. Thinking of the ep.
Can't think of the ep, but it's when he tells the gang in the library that he will spend Christmas in a tent (and we find out about his parents).
BTW the comment about knowing what it really means wasn't for you, it was about the <chomp><chomp> :D
Posted by: Lori
Cordelia: Okay, well I personally don't think it's posible to come up with a crazier plan.
Oz: We attack the Mayor with hummus.
Cordelia: I stand corrected.
Oz: Just trying to keep things is perspective.
Posted by: Bryanmc
Anyone else think a thread entitled "I have never seen Buffy", where the author is clearly interested in watching it, shouldn't be throwing out spoilers?
Seems to me that this would be the optimum sort of thread for tags.
(And I have seen some of you complain about this elsewhere.....)
Posted by: DrStrange
Hrm. That's the name, but not the ep I was thinking of, in fact I don't know what ep that is.
Posted by: jsmeeker
I am in the same boat as justapixel. I have never watched it. Even after listening to TiVoShanan talk about how awesome the show was, I never started watching. Shame on me...
Is it too late?? Am I hoplessly too far behind to catch up?? Should I SP some re-runs?
Posted by: DrStrange
Cordelia: I just wanted to tell you that gym was cancelled on account of the EXTREME dead guy in the locker:
Buffy: Dead?
Cordy: Totally dead. Way dead.
Xander: So, not just a little dead then?
Cordy: Don't you have an elsewhere to be?
Theres nothing too spoilery here, is there? Just some non specific dialog snippets and opinions about the quality of the various seasons.
Posted by: Bryanmc
quote:
Originally posted by DrStrange
Theres nothing too spoilery here, is there? Just some non specific dialog snippets and opinions about the quality of the various seasons.
There's definitely some relationship talk and the comings and goings of characters.
All things that I really enjoyed seeing developed and wouldn't want to ruin for virgin minds.
Posted by: DrStrange
quote:
Originally posted by jsmeeker
Is it too late?? Am I hoplessly too far behind to catch up?? Should I SP some re-runs?
Not that ones that are on FX now, that's season 4 which isn't Buffy at it's best. See my advice above about watching Buffy in order.
Posted by: Pan Chun
quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc
Anyone else think a thread entitled "I have never seen Buffy", where the author is clearly interested in watching it, shouldn't be throwing out spoilers?
Seems to me that this would be the optimum sort of thread for tags.
(And I have seen some of you complain about this elsewhere.....)
I will point out (since it's ME you're referring to) that I took great pains to phrase MY responses in vague, general statements that are, for the most part, non-plot-specific (example: I mentioned Joyce not being around much, but didn't say WHY...I mentioned Rupert not in many season 6 episodes. I don't consider that a spoiler. I mentioned he WILL be in season 7...that's been reported in the popular press.). IOW, I have attempted to be sensitive to the issue.
Posted by: DanT
Definitely watch them in order. I began watching with Season 4, and while I didn't think it was a really great show, it was enough to make me want to see the first 3 seasons. By the end of Season 1, I was hooked, and by the end of Season 2, I was convinced that it was the best show on television, particularly the writing. But I do wish I had started from the beginning, as there were some things I already knew that would have been better if I hadn't.
And I really disagree with whoever said Season 5 could be skipped. I was pretty disappointed with it early on, but by the end it all came together and really redeemed itself. I'm hoping Season 7 will do the same for Season 6, as I wasn't terribly impressed with it.
If anyone in the Las Vegas area wants to get started, I have every episode available for loaning out. VHS, VCD, SVCD, just ask.
Posted by: Lori
I liked season 6. [shrug]
Yeah, it wasn't as riveting as seasons 2 and 3 were. It was still top 5 TV in terms of quality. Still better than 95% of the other stuff out there. Still appointment TV.
Posted by: Pan Chun
Regarding season 5, I really liked the fact that Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
despite the mind-wipe by the monks, Buffy and Joyce figured out that Dawn didn't belong pretty quickly...and even though they ended up accepting her, the AWARENESS factor shows that they are (or were) much smarter than WAY too many non-viewers give them credit for...Oh...and Glory's main "toady"? It's the same actor who played the smarmy "Chotchke's" waiter in the movie Office Space...the one who had LOTS of flair and was used as an example to Jennifer Aniston's character! :)
Posted by: JYoung
Speaking of witty dialog, this is what hooked me when I watched the pilot
Giles: I'd say the fun is just beginning.
Willow: More vampires?
They stop walking.
Giles: Not just vampires. The next threat we face may be something quite different.
Buffy: I can hardly wait!
Giles: We're at the center of a mystical convergence here. We may, in fact, stand between the Earth and its total destruction.
Buffy: Well, I gotta look on the bright side. Maybe I can still get kicked out of school!
The three students continue to class. Giles stays behind and watches them go.
Xander: Oh, yeah, that's a plan. 'Cause lots of schools aren't on Hellmouths.
Willow: Maybe you could blow something up. They're really strict about that.
Buffy: I was thinking of a more subtle approach, y'know, like excessive not studying.
Giles turns to go back to his library.
Giles: The Earth is doomed!
:D
Posted by: Dusty
Here's another who hasn't watched it...ever.
I remember a friend raving about the movie, never saw it either. I was sure it was stupid, and was horrified when it was turned into a tv show. (I'm not near so judgmental now. :D )
I like SMG...only cuz she was a bit** on All My Children. :D
hmmmm, maybe I'll have to rent the dvd's...
Posted by: jhausmann
quote:
Originally posted by Dusty68
Here's another who hasn't watched it...ever.
I remember a friend raving about the movie, never saw it either. I was sure it was stupid, and was horrified when it was turned into a tv show. (I'm not near so judgmental now. :D )
I like SMG...only cuz she was a bit** on All My Children. :D
hmmmm, maybe I'll have to rent the dvd's...
I really enjoyed the movie (have no idea why. Perhaps it has something to do with humorous vampire movies. Anyone remember Jim Carey, before he was really famous, doing his Vampire movie? Can't remember the name of it but the scene of him playing air guitar with one leg, at an appropriate angle, is forever burned in my memory...). I remember watching the first episode with the fear that Whedon would mess up the series. Each week simply got better and better (until the network switch).
Posted by: jchan
Personally, I think the show (and acting in it) sucks. But then again, that's just me.
Posted by: murgatroyd
quote:
Originally posted by jsmeeker
I am in the same boat as justapixel. I have never watched it. Even after listening to TiVoShanan talk about how awesome the show was, I never started watching. Shame on me...
Is it too late?? Am I hoplessly too far behind to catch up?? Should I SP some re-runs?
I stumbled onto a couple of episodes in Season four, which got me thinking, "Okay, I made a mistake, I should have been watching from the beginning." A friend had tapes and caught me up from the beginning. These days, it's much easier to catch up since Season 1 & 2 are out on DVD.
Whether you are too far behind to catch up depends entirely on your tolerance for jumping in at the middle and picking up things in progress. I've manged to hop in at Season four for several different series now, so I seem to be good at the jump-in trick. But it does radically change the way you watch the earlier seasons, once you do get back to the beginning, so I can certainly sympathize with the many people who have posted/will post that it is better to start from the beginning and go in order. There are *many* things which are set up earlier on and then used in later episodes. Unless you especially like watching later episodes and treating references for what has gone before as teasers for the earlier episodes, I'd say starting with season one and going forward is the way to go.
Jan
Posted by: Pan Chun
quote:
Originally posted by jchan
Personally, I think the show (and acting in it) sucks. But then again, that's just me.
Yup. Just you.
Posted by: Cabinwood
quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
I am constantly amazed at the sheer number of people who have never experienced the glory that is Buffy.
Some of us who never heard of it are the ones without locals and we don't get the originals on the network package :(
I have started watching it on FX and Fox and I do love it; BUT, it's kinda hard to follow because I'm getting a mix of seasons here and FX is messing up some of the episodes. I was REALLY confused about Angel and Buffy for a while there but I think it's starting to make sense now :)
Posted by: jchan
quote:
Originally posted by Pan Chun
Yup. Just you.
I decided to voice my "no" vote in this Buffy cricle jerk. ;P
Posted by: Pan Chun
Kinda like the one vote AGAINST all the Neanderthals choosing to evolve into humans....
We get it.
Posted by: GatorDeb
Pan Chun why are you so touchy when someone says a show you like sucks, to the point of attacking the person? First Farscape, then Buffy. I am TOTALLY in love with Buffy, and if he thinks it sucks, well then that's his loss. But I'm not going to start belittling people who say ANY show sucks. It's the U.S. and freedom of speech and all that, you know :)
Posted by: murgatroyd
quote:
Originally posted by jchan
Personally, I think the show (and acting in it) sucks. But then again, that's just me.
If you think the acting in Buffy sucks, then what would you hold up as an example of good acting?
Seriously, be specific, and give details. If you think the cast of Buffy sucks across the board, tell me what you think is good. I'd like to know.
Jan
Posted by: Pan Chun
quote:
Originally posted by GatorDeb
Pan Chun why are you so touchy when someone says a show you like sucks, to the point of attacking the person? First Farscape, then Buffy. I am TOTALLY in love with Buffy, and if he thinks it sucks, well then that's his loss. But I'm not going to start belittling people who say ANY show sucks. It's the U.S. and freedom of speech and all that, you know :)
Note what murgatroyd posted...
To simply come into a "lovefest" thread and post "nope, you're all wrong, it sucks" is to BEG for some sort of expectation of qualification. If the poster wishes to qualify his/her statement, then fine. To simply say "it sucks" and leave it at that without expecting to be called on it is naive at best, ignorant at worst.
So if the poster would like to QUALIFY the statement, fine...give us specific details WHY the show sucks. If not, then stay out of a "lovefest" thread with unfounded hate statements...or at the very least don't expect to have said statements accepted blindly (which I did not).
Posted by: murgatroyd
quote:
Originally posted by Tsiehta
Can I just ask, what is it that all you people like about this show?
First and foremost, writing -- specifically the use of language. People have pulled out quotes of their favorite witty dialogue, but I don't know if it will have the same effect out of the context of the show as it does within.
Characters develop over time, as they do in any good story.
For the most part, the cast is solid. Of course there are weak spots, but the green actors get better.
It's the attitude, basically.
Jan
Posted by: Bryanmc
quote:
Originally posted by jhausmann
Anyone remember Jim Carey, before he was really famous, doing his Vampire movie? Can't remember the name of it but the scene of him playing air guitar with one leg, at an appropriate angle, is forever burned in my memory...).
Once Bitten
Posted by: murgatroyd
quote:
Originally posted by Pan Chun
To simply come into a "lovefest" thread and post "nope, you're all wrong, it sucks" is to BEG for some sort of expectation of qualification. If the poster wishes to qualify his/her statement, then fine. To simply say "it sucks" and leave it at that without expecting to be called on it is naive at best, ignorant at worst.
I don't know if I'd say this is supposed to be a 'lovefest' thread or not, but as someone who has worked as a book reviewer, I can tell you this.
It is easy to write a review slamming something. More to the point, it's more fun to say 'it sucks'. It's much more difficult to convey what's good, and why it is good.
Most people don't think. They have a simple equation. If it like it, it's good, if I don't, it SUCKS.
Well, sorry, guys, it's not that simple. There is more than one scale. You can judge how you like something (personal taste) versus how well-crafted something is. There is plenty of stuff which I like which is not well-made (I like to call those 'guilty pleasures') and plenty of stuff I don't like which is.
For instance, Farscape doesn't grab me. Therefore I haven't seen much of it. So I can't comment on it, except to say the Creature Shop work looks good, out of the stuff I have seen; and that some of the actors can do good work, because I've seen them in other stuff. I don't know why it hasn't hooked me, but it hasn't so far. But I don't think that makes it right for me to say "it sucks" and dump on the people who like it.
If they enjoy it, more power to them. It's fine by me.
Jan
Posted by: Lori
quote:
Originally posted by murgatroyd
I don't know if I'd say this is supposed to be a 'lovefest' thread or not, but as someone who has worked as a book reviewer, I can tell you this.
It is easy to write a review slamming something. More to the point, it's more fun to say 'it sucks'. It's much more difficult to convey what's good, and why it is good.
Most people don't think. They have a simple equation. If it like it, it's good, if I don't, it SUCKS.
Well, sorry, guys, it's not that simple. There is more than one scale. You can judge how you like something (personal taste) versus how well-crafted something is. There is plenty of stuff which I like which is not well-made (I like to call those 'guilty pleasures') and plenty of stuff I don't like which is.
For instance, Farscape doesn't grab me. Therefore I haven't seen much of it. So I can't comment on it, except to say the Creature Shop work looks good, out of the stuff I have seen; and that some of the actors can do good work, because I've seen them in other stuff. I don't know why it hasn't hooked me, but it hasn't so far. But I don't think that makes it right for me to say "it sucks" and dump on the people who like it.
If they enjoy it, more power to them. It's fine by me.
Jan
Farscape didn't grab me either. Honestly, I really couldn't get past the creatures...I just couldn't ever believe in them. I mean, they're...muppets. Sorry. I am sure it's a fine show...just not for me.
Posted by: jchan
Ahhh...to be the spark for the flame war! Practice makes perfect. Reminds me of times with the Something Awful, Tech Report, Slashdot, HardOCP forums....
Posted by: bareyb
Well based on some of the dialog I've seen posted here I've decided to give it another chance and try looking at it with a different eye. As a non troll I will tell you what kind of turned me off of it at first impression.
1. I think maybe I had the idea it was geared towards a much younger crowd. Not sure why... I think because the main Actress (Buffy) is a bit of a teen idol and has been in so many of those recent Teen type Movies. So I admit, that may have front loaded me a bit. Not good to have preconceived notions. I just looked at all the Monsters and thought "how dumb". I really didn't give it much chance beyond that nor did I really pay that much attention to the dialog. I also understand that I started watching it in Season 6 and that is obviously not the way to go. I do plan to try and find some older episodes and give it another shot. Some of that dialog is priceless. It really hits my sense of humor square on. :)
Posted by: jchan
quote:
Originally posted by Pan Chun
Kinda like the one vote AGAINST all the Neanderthals choosing to evolve into humans....
We get it.
Actually Neanderthals are not direct ancestors of Homo Sapiens. They were an offshoot race (i.e. a concurrent species) and later died out. Thus they never evolved into humans, a.k.a. Homo Sapiens.
So all the voting in the world wouldn't help them, or I would at least be in the majority.
Thhhhhhhhhpt! ;P
Posted by: DrStrange
quote:
Originally posted by bareyb
1. I think maybe I had the idea it was geared towards a much younger crowd. Not sure why...
Possibly because from what I've read, it was. Young women, teenage to early 20s or something which is why the principal and "stronger" characters are women. Also why so many of the audience it wound up attracting don't admit it. :)
Posted by: Xaa
You know Barey, I didn't watch it from the beginning for a stupid reason too.
Luke Perry was in ther movie and anything 90210 related was on my boycott list so I boycotted the movie and the series assuming it must suck.
I was wrong.
Got both DVD sets and I watch the current season on UPN. I'll fill in the blanks as each season comes out on DVD, and if I can't wait for an answer, the Good Dr. , Lori, and Pan (and others)have always helped me out.
Xaa
Posted by: Pan Chun
quote:
Originally posted by jchan
Actually Neanderthals are not direct ancestors of Homo Sapiens. They were an offshoot race (i.e. a concurrent species) and later died out. Thus they never evolved into humans, a.k.a. Homo Sapiens.
So all the voting in the world wouldn't help them, or I would at least be in the majority.
Thhhhhhhhhpt! ;P
Are you sure you're not thinking of the Cro-Magnons? :)
Posted by: unoriginal
quote:
Originally posted by Pan Chun
Are you sure you're not thinking of the Cro-Magnons? :)
No, the Cro-Magnons were our ancestors. Neanderthals went extinct shortly after Cro-Magnons arrived in Europe. Don't believe everything you see on Sliders. ;)
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
Well, there are some renegade paleoanthropologists who believe that the Neanderthals intermarried with and were subsumed into Homo Sapiens.
But they're wrong! :D
(They're the ones who want prehumans to have moved out of Africa around 1,000,000 years ago and then evolved into modern humans worldwide, instead of the mainstream opinion that modern humans arose in Africa around 100,000 years ago, and then replaced prehumans worldwide. For reasons that I can't recall, the renegades find the replacement of Neanderthals by modern humans inconvenient.)
Posted by: murgatroyd
quote:
Originally posted by bareyb
I think maybe I had the idea it was geared towards a much younger crowd.
Yeah, but I never let that stop me. :D
For us parental-age types, there's Giles, and Buffy's mom. See if you can hang with the show long enough to get to Band Candy, my most favorite early episode. ;)
Jan
Posted by: ThreeSoFar
Just an FYI, folks, in case you hadn't heard.
Joss Whedon (Buffy's creator) has a new FOX series this year, called Firefly.
He's really as brilliant as they say. He was behind the Buffy movie, too, but without any real say in it -- they didn't really do what he wanted AT ALL. The series is exactly as he wanted it to be from the beginning.
Posted by: DrStrange
quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Well, there are some renegade paleoanthropologists who believe that the Neanderthals intermarried with and were subsumed into Homo Sapiens.
But they're wrong!
HEY! Some of us are still on the Pliocene epoch. Spoiler tags please!
Posted by: justapixel
Wow, this thread went places, didn't it? :D
Thanks for the advice. I'll probably get the Buffy CD. Right now I'm watching nothing but Lifelines and Super Surgerys (and Idol.) Be nice to find something new that is good before the next season starts.
Posted by: dmdeane
quote:
Originally posted by Lori
Farscape didn't grab me either. Honestly, I really couldn't get past the creatures...I just couldn't ever believe in them. I mean, they're...muppets. Sorry. I am sure it's a fine show...just not for me.
Aha....there's your problem: you are hung up about the "muppets" angle, just like some people are hung up about the title of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and can't get past the silly name.
The animatronic puppets in Farscape are a few orders of magnitude more sophisticated than the Muppets. Once you've been watching Farscape for a while, you forget that they are puppets, and you watch them just like you would watch any of the human actors.
The instant I hear someone who doesn't like or doesn't watch Farscape mention the word "muppet," I know they are suffering from a "Muppets" hangup, which they cannot get past so as to appreciate the show properly.
Posted by: JediCowboyD
quote:
Originally posted by DrStrange
Buffy is best watched in order, both for continuity and quality reasons. FX just started rerunning season 4, not the point to jump in. Wait until they get back to season 1 few months from now, or get a hold of the season 1 & 2 DVDs.
Count me among those who have never seen the show, but with all the raves here I'm going to give it a shot. Too bad its in the middle of season 4 right now. The thing should be starting up again from the beginning when? Sometime in November probably?
From looking at the episode guides, I'm guessing that a keyword WL for "Hellmouth" will catch it when season 1 comes around again, then I can set up a Buffy SP when I see the first show tagged. This should be good since I don't think many shows have "Hellmouth" in the title.
But I did notice from buffyguide.com that the first show is titled "Welcome to the Hellmouth / The Harvest." Was this a 2 parter or the complete title for the first show? (Don't want to read the guide and spoil myself!) Should I set a WL for "Harvest" as well -- though that would probably catch many more unwanted shows."
Posted by: Doh
"Welcome to the Hellmouth" is AFAIK the title of the first episode. "The Harvest" is another episode (including, IIRC, the line "Yeah, yeah, like the dress, got it"), so I would not set a WL for that.
Posted by: DanT
"The Harvest" is part 2 of the first episode, so you'd want that as well. If you set up a Title WL for "Buffy Harvest" (without the quotes) it should pick up only that episode.
Or just rent the DVDs for Season 1 and 2. That way you'll see the entire episodes. The syndicated versions (like FX and Fox are showing) have been edited to add extra time for commercials. It's only about a minute total, but sometimes those little things made the show great. I'll try to give an example without spoiling it, but it probably won't come off as well as if I gave specifics. There was an episode in Season 4 or maybe even 5 that referenced something all the way back to the 3rd episode in Season 1. It wasn't even anything said, just something seen, and was almost an inside joke for fans who'd seen "The Witch". But that bit was cut from the syndicated version. For anyone who doesn't mind spoilers, here's the details:Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
The gang goes back to the blown-up high school, and as they're walking in, Oz(?) steps on the cheerleading trophy, crushing it.
There are plenty of other examples of little bits being cut, and it just frustrates me to know those wonderful little bits are missing.
Posted by: DrStrange
Yeah I noticed a few other lines of dialog cut, sometimes rather amusing ones. For instance (season 3 spoiler, from "Dopplegangland"):
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
In the library after Xander, Giles, and Buffy establish that their Willow is not a vampire but still unsure of who the vampire Willow was, Buffy asks "Giles, plan on jumping in with an explanation?" Giles hesitates, fidgets and offers a very non-explanatory "Uh, well... something very strange is going on". FX cut the scene there, dropping Xanders "can you believe the watchers council let this guy go?" followup.
And in season 3s "The Prom" (no real spoilers in this but I'll use tags anyway):
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
When they're reviewing the surveillance tape from the formal wear shop, Cordelia at one point asks Xander to "zoom in on" something. Xander retorts that he can't do that, it's a plain VCR, it doesn't do special effects. Later Oz asks him to pause something, and FX snipped Xanders reflexive, "I told you people, it's a plain VCR, I can't... oh wait, I can do that".
Want season 3 DVDs....
Posted by: Lori
quote:
Originally posted by DrStrange
Want season 3 DVDs....
I feel your pain, Dr. I don't know if I want world peace as much as I want season 3 DVDs right now. :eek: :( ;)
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
quote:
Originally posted by Lori
I feel your pain, Dr. I don't know if I want world peace as much as I want season 3 DVDs right now.
Well, if we had world peace, we wouldn't need escapism as much, and Hollywood would stop [providing quality television for us.
GO WAR!!!
:D
Then again, they might stop producing all that crap as well...
Talk about a moral dilemma!
Posted by: DanT
This is why I prefer to watch my VCDs/SVCDs of Seasons 3-5 instead of the tapes. They were captured from the original uncut broadcast instead of the syndicated runs. I'd rather put up with MPEG artifacts than missing dialog.
Posted by: David Platt
quote:
Originally posted by Lori
I feel your pain, Dr. I don't know if I want world peace as much as I want season 3 DVDs right now. :eek: :( ;)
What are you guys talking about? I'm all the way up to Season 4... :p
Posted by: GatorDeb
Mi Casio es su Casio :D
I'm up to season 4, and it's my favorite so far. Each season keeps getting better, but I don't see how season 3 was better. I have not laughed so hard in such a long time.
I will never look at a juice bottle the same way again :)
Posted by: JimSpence
Buffy will never be the same for me!
Sarah married Freddie on 9/1.
Posted by: Graymalkin
According to Liz Smith's column for today (Sept. 5), Joyce Millman of Variety lists Buffy as the third-best TV drama of all time.
Variety also asked several dozen other TV critics the same question, and as a group they placed Buffy in ninth place, ahead of "The West Wing."
("Sopranos" ranked number 1 on both lists.)
Posted by: rickertk
Speaking of missing episodes, does anyone know why FX is skipping the episode "A New Man" from their season 4 runs next week?
Keith
Posted by: Pan Chun
quote:
Originally posted by GatorDeb
I'm up to season 4, and it's my favorite so far. Each season keeps getting better, but I don't see how season 3 was better. I have not laughed so hard in such a long time.
A lot of people really, REALLY hate season 4, but I'm not one of them. While I certainly don't think it's the very best either, it's at least as good as season 1 and in some ways daring and inovative.
Ultimately it seems to have failed because "The Initiative" seemed to be fairly impotent and Adam fell far short of expectations. Despite that, there were a lot of great shows...including "Hush", "Superstar", "A New Man", and others.
Posted by: Bryanmc
I agree Pan. Many folks base their opinion of a season on the "big bad."
Obviously season 4's sucked. And, quite frankly, I thought the way they defeated him was pretty stupid too.
But that season did have some of the best and most influential shows and I thought it was a fine season, just not a great bad guy.
Posted by: harvscar
Spike absolutely made season 4 for me and I definitely think the worst season 4 episode of Buffy is still better than 90% of the dreck out there. That being said, Riley was, without a doubt, the blandest, wonder bread character I've ever seen.
Posted by: Pan Chun
Oh...and Harmony as a vamp was also a lot of fun...but yeah, Marc Blucas and Lindsay Crouse (who is normally pretty good, IMO) were both highly bland and one-dimensional.
Excuse me now...gonna go watch Hush again (one episode that you CAN'T just put on "in the background"...you have to actually WATCH it).
Posted by: jones07
warning Warning Will Robinson!! Buffy is Not for young children or the overly moralistic
Posted by: adamblast
quote:
Originally posted by Pan Chun
Ultimately it seems to have failed because "The Initiative" seemed to be fairly impotent and Adam fell far short of expectations. Despite that, there were a lot of great shows...including "Hush", "Superstar", "A New Man", and others.
To me, it was a huge mistake not to make Maggie Walsh the season's big bad... Lindsay Crouse is an incredible actress, they set up her character extremely well, and then made her irrelevant. Actually, as the conflict between Buffy and the Initiative grew, I thought we were still headed for greatness. Blucas was fine, to me. His clean-cut hero schtick was a good foil for the show. And it was good to see Buff and "a boyfriend" both having tortured loyalties again, and in a completely different way.
Then Adam showed up and it all just fell apart...
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
And when I say (often and loudly) that Season 4 was the worst Buffy season ever, two things must be born in mind: 1) That still makes it better than most of the stuff that's out there; and 2) I'm talking about the season as a unit; Buffy seasons ARE units. Season 4 did have some outstanding individual episodes; it just wasn't a very good season-unit.
Posted by: zaknafein
Okay, so I got the Season 1 DVDs from Netflix, and I'm through disc 1 so far.
Well, I've only seen for eps, but I'm liking it a lot. Is Fox following the same 6-month release cycle with Buffy as they are with The X-Files?
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
That's a big yeppers.
Six long months.
You could always time travel six months into the future, but of course that would drive you stark, raving mad.
Posted by: bonehead
Just chiming in to say that this show is worth doing properly and watching from the beginning. Even if that means waiting a few months.
Then when you get ready to start recording them from FX, head on over to buffyguide.com and get yourself an episode list just to make sure you really see them in the right order. FX has screwed up a couple of times.
Personally, I thought Season 4 was perfectly fine. Not quite up to par with 3, but still wouldn't call it "bad". Even Season 6 has some real strong points. Sure, a few rough spots and a few outright embarassments (Clem, and the guy in the foam rubber shark suit), but also had some very strong episodes. Bargaining and After Life were quite good. Once More With Feeling. "It must be bunnies", what more needs to be said? The last several episodes really picked up the pace and made for a strong finish.
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Although I thought that the way they ended the finale was a little weak.
Posted by: David Platt
quote:
Originally posted by zaknafein
Okay, so I got the Season 1 DVDs from Netflix, and I'm through disc 1 so far.
....and we got another one! Welcome to the local cult of Buffyites, Zaknafein!
Posted by: zaknafein
Okay, so you guys have hooked me. Season 1 was great, especially the finale.
Both Season 1 and Season 2 box sets are en route from Amazon...
Curse the UMF.
Posted by: DanT
Just wait until you get to see Season 2! There's so much great stuff in there, it's typically considered the best season of them all, and that's saying something. Personally, I think Season 5 gave it a run for its money, although I still generally give the nod to Season 2.
Posted by: David Platt
quote:
Originally posted by zaknafein
Okay, so you guys have hooked me. Season 1 was great, especially the finale.
Both Season 1 and Season 2 box sets are en route from Amazon...
Curse the UMF.
Next thing you know you'll be hacking your DVD player and ordering Seasons 3 & 4 from Amazon.uk! :up:
Posted by: LoadStar
Man, if the DVD's wouldn't be so freakin' much when you do it that way, I'd be there already, David. :) I've already got the "region-free" capable DVD player, and you don't know how many times I've been at the checkout screen on both Amazon.uk, among other UK DVD vendors...
Posted by: David Platt
Yep, they are pretty expensive over there, aren't they? It is sooooo nice watching season 4 in widescreen, though! ;)
Posted by: zaknafein
Know anyone who can mod a Tosh 3109? :)
quote:
It is sooooo nice watching season 4 in widescreen, though!
Yeah, consumers here are pretty bass ackwards on those things. 16:9 TVs are common in Europe, and movies are always letterboxed.
So, are the R2 S1 and S2 sets widescreen as well? Edit: Nevermind, looks like both of those seasons are 1.33:1. S3 and 4 and both 1.78:1 anamorphic widescreen. (very cool) Too bad we'll probably get them in 1.33:1
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
No, they'll be 16:9...
Posted by: Pan Chun
The season 4 episodes posted on Usenet are anamorphic widescreen. Quite nice, really! :up:
Posted by: zaknafein
Ok, I just finished "Passion", and I'm amazed.
For the benefit of anyone else like me who hasn't seen season 2 yet ... Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Angel turning really surprised me. In retrospect, it should have been obvious, but I sure wasn't expecting it. That, and the death of Jenny Calendar caught me completely by surprise. This whole series of episodes were marvelously well executed. I'm a little disappointed I have to sit here at work rather than finish off the rest of the season.
Posted by: harvscar
quote:
Originally posted by zaknafein
Ok, I just finished "Passion", and I'm amazed.
For the benefit of anyone else like me who hasn't seen season 2 yet ... Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Angel turning really surprised me. In retrospect, it should have been obvious, but I sure wasn't expecting it. That, and the death of Jenny Calendar caught me completely by surprise. This whole series of episodes were marvelously well executed. I'm a little disappointed I have to sit here at work rather than finish off the rest of the season.
Agreed zak! The whole sequence surrounding that death, including the death scene itself, horrified me and broke my heart. I would never have expected a major character to go out like that. The second season is utterly amazing.
Posted by: Maui
Ah I envy you seeing those episodes for the first time. The second half of season two was so amazingly well done it's scarey.
Oh well I do get a new episode tomorrow night!
Posted by: JediCowboyD
I am so happy I read this thread and FX just restarted from season 1 a few days ago. Count me as Buffy's newest fan! And with FX showing two episodes a day, I'm in Buffy Heaven!
I just finished watching the first season's episode entitled "Angel" wherein you find out what's up with this guy. Call me melodramatic, but that ending just got to me. Choked me up.
In order to facilitate my viewing I downloaded a program guide so I can be sure to watch it all in order. Having done this, I noticed a bit of scheduling weirdeness. The Second Season episode, Halloween, is not in the line up. Any particular reason for this or just one of those random occurances?
Grrr. Arrgh.
Posted by: murgatroyd
Bummer! That's one of my favorite episodes.
I wonder if they've pulled it out of the order so they can run it on Halloween....
Jan
Posted by: Pan Chun
I also enjoyed the 4th season Halloween episode "Fear, Itself"...
Revisited a few of the same themes and had loads of humor along the way as well...plus we were introduced to Anya's bunny phobia for the first time. And the ending (Giles's translation of the "ancient text") was a genuine riot! :) :up:
Posted by: Mikkel_Knight
quote:
Originally posted by Pan Chun
I also enjoyed the 4th season Halloween episode "Fear, Itself"...
Revisited a few of the same themes and had loads of humor along the way as well...plus we were introduced to Anya's bunny phobia for the first time. And the ending (Giles's translation of the "ancient text") was a genuine riot! :) :up:
"Who's a little Fear Demon?"
"Zander, don't taunt."
"Why, can he hurt me?"
"No... it's... tacky"
heh
Posted by: JediCowboyD
quote:
Originally posted by murgatroyd
I wonder if they've pulled it out of the order so they can run it on Halloween....
Good Idea. I hadn't thought of that. We'll see in a few weeks when the guide data goes out that far. But with TiVo showing 2 episodes a day, I hope I don't have to wait too long or soon I'll have nothing but Buffy! Can't watch out of order . ..
Posted by: rickertk
quote:
Originally posted by murgatroyd
Bummer! That's one of my favorite episodes.
I wonder if they've pulled it out of the order so they can run it on Halloween....
Jan
According to the FX website Buffy schedule, that is in fact exactly
what they intend to do.
They will also be showing a variety of other Halloween-themed
episodes, including "Fear, Itself". Also, "Buffy vs. Dracula". the first
episode of Season 5. (Which they apparently intend to skip
when they move through Season 4 to Season 5 in mid November).
OTOH, this upcoming time through Season 4 they will include
"A New Man", which they skipped the last time through.
Keith
Posted by: mcgovern
Hi. I had never watched Buffy either, and was tring to catch it in order. After looking at these two sites:
http://www.epguides.com/BuffytheVampireSlayer/
http://www.fxnetwork.com/shows/hits/buffy.html (Click on Full Schedule)
These are the episodes that are airing In Order:
1-17,19-35,37-43,45-50@,60-72,74-87,89-100%,101-106,108-116,118-119
Here are a couple of dates when episodes are being aired out of order. Those in parentheses fill holes in the above list:
@ = Oct 31 (Halloween):
(18),4,(36),79
% = Nov 28/29:
64,(73),(52)
These are the episodes that are Missing:
44,51,53-59,88,107,117
Unknown:
120-130
It kind of makes you wonder what FX is thinking?!:confused:
Posted by: Opus
mcgovern,
At first glance, it looks like FX is going to be showing special Halloween episodes, and Thanksgiving episodes. Nothing wrong with that, except...
The bad news, those "special" eps seemed to have stomped on the episodes that (in order) would have shown on those days.
The good news, based on FX's history, they'll probably pick up the order right after Halloween (and Thanksgiving) so you won't actually miss any episodes.
More bad news... If that's the case, then their guide is wrong. This makes it a PITA to watch because they'll have the wrong titles/descriptions in the guide for the episodes after Halloween. :( Keep an eye on the guide for updates, or if they don't fix it in time... I'm sure someone here can help identify the mismarked eps.
Also, Amends (#44) is probably being held back for a Christmas showing (I hate that they do that).
I am glad to see that they're running Season 6.
Posted by: Lori
If you recall, UPN held back several season 5 episodes to use as filler last season--The Body, Weight of the World, The Gift. Maybe that's what they are doing with Seeing Red, Two To Go, Grave?
Posted by: Opus
Actually, Seeing Red is the last episode on the current list, so FX will be showing it (and hopefully Two To Go and Grave also).
But Lori is right, FX is probably holding back a couple of episodes. Those look to be Once More With Feeling (#107) and Normal Again (#117). So if they follow the same pattern as last year, you can either catch those episodes when they repeat on UPN, or FX should have them the next time Season 6 comes around.
Posted by: zaknafein
Now that I'm through season 4, I went back and reread a lot of this thread.
quote:
Originally posted by harvscar
Spike absolutely made season 4 for me and I definitely think the worst season 4 episode of Buffy is still better than 90% of the dreck out there. That being said, Riley was, without a doubt, the blandest, wonder bread character I've ever seen.
Agreed! He has some great dialog in that season, my favorite from Pangs:
Spike: Oh! Someone put a stake in me.
Xander: You got a lot of volunteers in here.
Spike: I just can't take all this mamby-pamby boo-hooing about the bloody Indians! You won! Alright? You came in and you killed them and you took their land. That's what conquering nations do. It's what Caesar did and he's not going around saying "I came, I conquered, I felt really bad about it."
quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
And when I say (often and loudly) that Season 4 was the worst Buffy season ever, two things must be born in mind: 1) That still makes it better than most of the stuff that's out there; and 2) I'm talking about the season as a unit; Buffy seasons ARE units. Season 4 did have some outstanding individual episodes; it just wasn't a very good season-unit.
I'm not sure about season 4. I tend to agree that, as a whole, it doesn't hold up to 2&3. There's enough great material in there though to redeem the general failing of "the big bad".
After watching the finale though, the only thing I could think was WTF???!!!!
Posted by: Opus
quote:
Originally posted by zaknafein
After watching the finale though, the only thing I could think was WTF???!!!!
I wear the cheese, the cheese does not wear me! :D
Posted by: coldtoes
Just wanted to contribute to the months-long Buffy lovefest with some advice for Buffy newbies watching for the first time:
When you get to season 6's "Once More with Feeling," possibly the most brilliant episode ever, realize that the original showing ran 68 minutes long (with commercials). Since then, they've only shown a significantly edited version. I don't recall what's been left out, but almost every speck of dialogue was priceless. Try to download the full version or at least make sure you see the full one with the DVD comes out (I know I can't ask you to wait that long to see it!)
Mmm.... Buffy. And I must say, so far, season 7 is greatly improved over 6. My husband was about to give up at the end of last year, but I think he's been pulled back into the Buffy fold.
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