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TurboNET installed updates over broadband now.....
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Posted by: mini__me

TurboNET arrived today and all is well now I'm just trying to setup updates via my broadband connection. I have searched but with no joy (only found lots about NTL)

My setup is this;

ADSL USB Frog attached to main PC running AnalogX Proxy, 10/100 switching hub attched to main pc and other pcs including TiVo attached to switch.

TiVo dials ok but fails on connecting any suggestions?

I have changed dial prefix to ,#401 and the test calls are failing I just unplugged it after failing a test call to keep the ,#401 option and try a normal daily call with the dial prefix but it doesnt look like it's gonna work.

Is it possible to change the port that TiVo connects through as AnalogX uses 6588 instead of 80, I think this maybe the problem although I'm not sure.

TIA

mini-me

Posted by: ddub

HI Mini-you.

What option did you choose for your daily update when you installed turboNet? Dialup or Network?

Also, make sure that your Dialup connection via your ADSL is set to "internet connection sharing" (its in the dialup networking properties)

If non of that works, check that the tivo has a default gateway set to the same IP address as your ethernet card in your PC (as this is the gateway)

telnet to the tivo and issue the command:

/sbin/route.tivo -n

You should get two lines in the result.
if there is no gateway set, use the command:

/sbin/route.tivo add default gw 192.168.1.1 (or what ever the IP of your PC is)

hopefully this might help

ddub

Posted by: mini__me

Thanks for the reply m8 I have checked all that, I didnt want to use MS ICS but I guess I may have to.

Stuck the hdd in my pc again and back to using the old modem now might have a play with ICS tomorrow.

Now to setup apache and I'm in heaven, along with another thing I'm not allowed to talk of here ;)

Posted by: peterb

quote:
Originally posted by mini__me
Thanks for the reply m8 I have checked all that, I didnt want to use MS ICS but I guess I may have to.

If you can afford it,I would really recommend getting a dedicated stand-alone router for your adsl connection - much better than relying on MS to keep going 24/7!

Posted by: mini__me

I know ;), thats why I dont use ms, analogx is as stable as the rest of my system and I only reboot when I want to, and that aint much ;)

I havn't bothered with a router as my main pc is constantly downloading anyway, and analogx offers everything I need for the other pc's.

Guess I'll stick with ordinary dialup for now :(

Tivoweb really is cool anyone thinking about getting a turbonet STOP and just DO IT :D

Posted by: Aerotec

Maybe I am getting all confused!

How is Tivoweb great when you are back to using Dial Up? I thought the whole purpose of TivoNet is to allow listings download via broadband?

Are you able to view your TiVo contents remotely now?

Rich

Posted by: mini__me

Yes m8 and much much more, the guide data is only about 800k so no great hardship over 56k just a little niggle, and with freephone number who cares :)

There is much more that can be done tivoweb being a good one, others that cant be talked of here.

Posted by: mtg101

quote:
Originally posted by mini__me

TiVo dials ok but fails on connecting any suggestions?

I have changed dial prefix to ,#401 and the test calls are failing I just unplugged it after failing a test call to keep the ,#401 option and try a normal daily call with the dial prefix but it doesnt look like it's gonna work.

The ",#401" dialing prefix is only for TiVo v3 software, and in the UK we're on 2.5.5, so you should leave the dealing number alone. The TurboNET install software should setup all the settings required to make the daily call over the network rather than the phone.

Posted by: mini__me

Yes I set it up to get through network however I belive the port that it tries to connect to the world on is 80 and maybe 21 however my proxy uses a different port to 80 and here lies the problem I believe.

I tried every option I could think of I might turn on ICS today and have a play but I'm too busy with other projects on the tivo now to worry about a few hundred k per night :)

If I ever bother to get a router/linux box made up I'll probably hook it up to that but at the moment I'm extremely happy :D

Posted by: Aerotec

Ok, maybe I will need to speak to you offline mini-me.

Can you briefly explain how I could get TiVoNet? I would like to get the WiFi TivoNet card so could I just pop a WiFi TivoNet card in the Tivo, get a WiFi card in the desktop (using Win XP) and then it can use the broadband connection?

I know I would have probs with it being a dynamic IP but guess progs like AnalogX?? would sort this out? Am I going down the right path?

Rich

Posted by: mini__me

If you want either just order from 9thtee.com or wait for another bulk order from someone.

As for you WiFi I have no idea as I have never used a wireless network, but I cant see ip being a problem surely you can set both a fixed ip.

As for getting the updates through the network I dont have a solution at the moment with analogx, proxy software running on my main pc.

Posted by: mtg101

quote:
Originally posted by Aerotec

Can you briefly explain how I could get TiVoNet? I would like to get the WiFi TivoNet card so could I just pop a WiFi TivoNet card in the Tivo, get a WiFi card in the desktop (using Win XP) and then it can use the broadband connection?

I know I would have probs with it being a dynamic IP but guess progs like AnalogX?? would sort this out? Am I going down the right path?

Rich

So... you've got a single WinXP boc connected via some form of modem to broadband - right? And you just want to connect your TiVo to your PC and then out over the broadband connection - right? And your PC and TiVo are not near each other, so you can't just run a cable between them - right?

Assuming all the above, it would seem that a coupl of WiFi cards would solve your problem. 9thtee.com sell the TiVo AirNET card which is a WiFi card for the TiVo. I'm not sure how well these work with the UK TiVos as most people have the regular TurboNET card (also from 9thtee.com) and just plug it into a router on their network.

Anyway... with a TiVo AirNET and PC WiFi Card:

0 - Get the WiFI adapters talking. For starters just select Ad-Hoc mode, no encryption, enter the same SSID (network name) for both cards (eg TiVoNetwork) and choose the same channel for both cards(eg 10). On the PC you should be able to confirm the link is working as it will give you info on whether it is associated, and what the signal strength is.

(remember to add 128bit encryption later as a basic attempt at adding security to your network - it'll stop the majority of ppl trying to acces your WiFi network)

1 - Setup Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) on your XP box. The Broadband connection wants to be shared.

2 - ICS should now be being a DHCP server and router / gateway on your WiFi connection. The network will be 192.168.0.0 / 255.255.255.0 - with your XP box being 192.168.0.1

3 - So... although the XP box wants to be Mr DHCP-Box, you can just ignore it and give your TiVo a sensible IP address like 192.168.0.200, default gateway of 192.168.0.1 (the XP box) and it should work. This should be done by running the TiVo AirNET setup and entering the correct values.

Posted by: Aerotec

Spot on. Yep that all sounds good to me. No doubt when it comes to actually configuring the hardware I will be back with more questions.

Will I then be able to remotely set TiVo to record etc?

Rich

Posted by: mtg101

quote:
Originally posted by Aerotec
Spot on. Yep that all sounds good to me. No doubt when it comes to actually configuring the hardware I will be back with more questions.

Will I then be able to remotely set TiVo to record etc?

Rich

Srting up WiFi can be a little tricky, but it's nothing that can't be solved on this group.

As for setting up your TiVo for remote recording... whole different kettle of fish...

TurboNET (or TiVo AirNET) just gives your TiVo a permenant connection to the internet, rather than having to dial-up using its modem. The install also installs Telnet and FTP server so you can access your TiVo from your XP box (over telnet or ftp, obviously).

However, to actually control your TiVo remotely (ie - setting up programs to record, view the ToDo list etc) you need to install TiVoWEB. This is a web server that runs on the TiVo box and allows you to control TiVo from a regular web page. For more info see http://tivo.lightn.org/ Also see http://www.stevejenkins.com/tivo/newbie.html for instructions

So... once you've got your TiVo on your local network and running TiVoWeb you'll be able to control it from your local PC. However... that's a whole world away from being able to access it from work or a net cafe while on holiday (great nerd kudos for doing that :)

Most of us (I think) have home networks, with routers routing to various Desktop / Laptop / TiVo / PDA boxes around the house. These can generally use DDNS and allow Port Forwarding allowing for easy configuration of such networks. However, as you're just using an XP box, you'll need a different solution, and I'm no expert here...

I can tell you that you'll benefit from a DDNS system, like no-ip.com This allows you to type "mytivo.no-ip.com" instead of always having to know the IP address of your broadband connection (as it changes from time to time). You need to download a little app that constantly updated the no-ip.com service with the IP address of your machine.

As for routing a port from your XP machine to your TiVo box... I'm not sure. There maybe something in XP to do this, but more likely you'll need some sort of software to help you with this... and I don't know what sort of software does this... hopefully someone else on here will be able to help you there.

Posted by: radish

quote:
Originally posted by mini__me
Yes I set it up to get through network however I belive the port that it tries to connect to the world on is 80 and maybe 21 however my proxy uses a different port to 80 and here lies the problem I believe.

I tried every option I could think of I might turn on ICS today and have a play but I'm too busy with other projects on the tivo now to worry about a few hundred k per night :)

If I ever bother to get a router/linux box made up I'll probably hook it up to that but at the moment I'm extremely happy :D

I think your proxy may be the problem. I've never used TivoNet (so I may be very very wrong about this) but I don't believe it supports proxys. For a network app to work through a proxy it has to explicitly support it (for instance, it has to have somewhere in it's setup to tell it where the proxy is!). The Tivo is trying to connect to port 80, because that's where the data it wants is - it doesn't know how to cope with the brick wall in it's way :)

I would suggest trying it without the proxy, disable it and instead put in some basic NAT or masquerading software (ICS would do for now, or something like winroute) and see if that works. Personally, I'll soon be adding Tivo to my network via my linux router (and then out to the world via the dsl froggy). Proxies are, in my experience, a right pain in the behind and not worth the effort.

Posted by: mini__me

Got any suggestions for the NAT stuff as many many moons ago when I got my ADSL installed I was told I have a NAT connection but having never found anything just settled with analogx, straight forward and free :)

Never had any problems till now and I think I have preety much resigned myself to updates over the modem.

Plus after a little rest and some f00d I have decided not to tampering with my TiVo for a while, if you've seen my other thread you'll know what I mean :eek: