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What shows are being repurposed this Fall?
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Posted by: Mike20878

I see Firefly was already mentioned as being repurposed this Fall. Does anyone have a list of other shows being repurposed? I would love to see the new episodes of Alias or Angel repurposed as they are opposite each other this season. Are they doing the same deal with 24 again?

Thanks,
Mike

Posted by: michellemck99

quote:
Originally posted by Mike20852
Are they doing the same deal with 24 again?

24 has the same "real time" format - although this year it runs from 8 am to 8 am.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

Alias will be on ABC Family; 24 will still be on FX.

Posted by: Mike20878

quote:
Originally posted by michellemck99

24 has the same "real time" format - although this year it runs from 8 am to 8 am.

:confused:

Uhhh... I was referring to the FX repurposing, hence the subject. :)

Posted by: Mike20878

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Alias will be on ABC Family; 24 will still be on FX.

Yes, but wasn't ABC Family airing episodes from the start of the season? Are they starting fresh with actual repurposing of current eps?

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

I believe that a few weeks after they started, they shifted from the beginning of the season to a week and a half after original air date.

Posted by: BlearyEyed

According to my list (yes I keep a list about this, how anal am I when it comes to television?) the following shows are getting the re-purpose/split-window treatment somewhere on the dial. Or at least they were at one time, if those plans were cancelled I may not have heard about it. Everwood from the WB, Law and Order CI and SVU, Robbery Homicide Division (formerly r.h.d.l.a.), Alias, 24, Smallville, Firefly, and Charmed. I believe that’s the whole list.

Posted by: tgr131

I'm a little bit slow this morning. Can you guys explain what it means to be "repurposed"?

Thanks!

David

Posted by: Mike20878

quote:
Originally posted by BlearyEyed
According to my list (yes I keep a list about this, how anal am I when it comes to television?) the following shows are getting the re-purpose/split-window treatment somewhere on the dial. Or at least they were at one time, if those plans were cancelled I may not have heard about it. Everwood from the WB, Law and Order CI and SVU, Robbery Homicide Division (formerly r.h.d.l.a.), Alias, 24, Smallville, Firefly, and Charmed. I believe that’s the whole list.

Smallville? Really? Cool...what network will it air on?

tgr131: "Repurposing" is when the networks reair their show on another network on a night later in the week (i.e. "24" airing first on Fox then on FX later in the week).

Mike

Posted by: BlearyEyed

I've got it listed for Sunday, I believe the WB plans to have a block in the afternoon where they encore the previous week's Smallville and then run repeats from the first couple seasons of Gilmore Girls. Don't quote me on the exact time but 5:00 seems to stick in my mind for some reason. Anyway I suggest checking Sunday afternoon once the season starts.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

(For some reason this didn't go through the first time.) Smallville isn't literally being repurposed; WB will be airing it twice a week.

Posted by: skearney00

Does the term "repurpose" in this context bother anyone else but me?

When you repurpose something, you change it's form or function. networks are just re-airing the same show in its same form on another network. The only two examples that I can think of that truly fits the definition of repurposing are the half-hour syndication version of The Weakest Link, and the hour version of SNL on Comedy Central.

Please tell me I'm not alone
:confused:

Posted by: MirclMax

Though I'm sure the intent of this thread was to focus on prime time programming ....

I saw a commercial indicating that Conan O'Brien would be airing on Comedy Central the following day.

Posted by: Uther

quote:
Originally posted by skearney00
Does the term "repurpose" in this context bother anyone else but me?

Please tell me I'm not alone

You are not alone.

Network executives are idiots. (And I'm being generous here by merely calling them idiots.)

Posted by: michellemck99

Well, I'll go stand in the corner with skearney00 and Uther wondering how "repurpose" can only relate to rebroadcasts on a different network.

Specific to 24's being shown twice this fall, I'd guess that will rest on the ratings for the marathon on Monday. FX didn't mention rebroadcasts in their press release announcing the marathon, and FX has other programming in the time slots where 24 was repeated early on last season. So as of now it looks like they're not rebroadcasting from Fox.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

In broadcasting, I think the original sense of "repurpose" was delivering content through a medium other than the original...e.g., offering a broadcast show over the internet. From there, it is an obvious (if not, as has been noted, entirely logical) extension to use the term for a show originally boradcast OTA, and then rebroadcast on cable.

Posted by: Hunter Green

Plus it sounds better than "rerun".

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

Well, not to defend network executives and their insatiable appetite for jargon, but I can see where it would be useful to distinguish among a rerun in a show's usual timeslot, a repeat showing, and a repeat showing on another network...

(I wonder what jargon they use for a repeat showing on the same network within a few days? They must have something..!)

Posted by: Ben7H

A warning about watching Alias on ABC Family: I'm pretty sure the channel edits the show slightly to make it more "family friendly."

---Ben

Posted by: rasheed

All times are Eastern and Pacific (on P feeds)

You may wish to use the AR FRO WL (Auto-Record First Run Only WishList) TiVo feature for these shows instead of 1 or 2 SPs (Season Pass).

*Hyperlinks take you to the respective website on each channel*

ABC

Life with Bonnie
ABC Family on Saturdays at 9pm

Less Than Perfect
ABC Family on Saturdays at 9:30pm

CBS

Robbery Homicide Division (RHD)
USA Network on Saturdays at 11pm

FOX

24 (ongoing)
FX Network on Mondays at 11pm and Tuesdays at 5pm

Fastlane
MTV Network on Sundays and Mondays at 11pm

NBC

Conan O'Brien
Comedy Central daily at 1pm and 7pm

Law and Order: CI (ongoing)
USA Network on Fridays at 11pm

Law and Order: SVU (ongoing)
USA Network on Sundays at 11pm

NBC also second airs American Dreams the following Sunday at 7pm.

WB

Charmed (ongoing)
TNT on Tuesdays at 10pm

WB also second airs some of its shows on Sunday afternoon:
Smallville Sundays at 5pm on WB
Everwood Sundays at 6pm on WB

UPN

None confirmed yet

Note sometimes, the cable version is a week behind (depending on contract) and episode guide data may not be present causing too many shows to record if you use the AR FRO WL feature or even 2 SPs.

Other shows not yet confirmed, but may show up:
Alias (ABC Family/ABC)
Amazing Race (UPN/CBS)
American Dreams (VH1/NBC)
Bachelor (ABC Family/ABC)
Firefly (Scifi/Fox)

Rasheed

Posted by: mrmike

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
(I wonder what jargon they use for a repeat showing on the same network within a few days? They must have something..!)

Encore Presentation is what I've always heard them called.

-MM

Posted by: Mike20878

quote:
Originally posted by rasheed
All times are Eastern and Pacific (on P feeds)

You may wish to have a AR FRO WL for these shows.

[...]

UPN

None confirmed yet

Since you mentioned Smallville repeating on the same channel, I thought I should mention Enterprise repeats on Saturdays. I'm not sure if that's up to the local station or if it's a UPN network repeat.

Or are you just listing new shows being repeated/repurposed?

Thanks,
Mike

Posted by: grecorj

There was talk at one point of Fastlane being repurposed on TNT I believe. Not confirmed.

Posted by: Lord Nimon

I was under the impression that the ABC Family version of Alias is edited; that is, it's not exactly same as what's shown on ABC. Of course, only an idiot would consider Alias to be a "family show".

Posted by: jlb

I'm psyched about Smallville being re-aired on Sundays at 5. I can then get more of the Frasier episodes with my SA.

Word of warning, though, for anyone doing something like this.....Football. If your team is playing a 4pm game and you TiVO attempt to TiVO the game, you may lose the episode in that if you don't schedule the football game until after the initial airing of the episode, and you really want to record/trick play the football game, then you won't be able to record the Sunday airing of the episode.

Personally, the more I think about it, I'll keep Smallville above Frasier in my SP list. There will be enough football games I want to watch via TiVO. I never really watched a lot of Frasier last season anyways.

Posted by: rasheed

quote:
Originally posted by Mike20852
Since you mentioned Smallville repeating on the same channel, I thought I should mention Enterprise repeats on Saturdays. I'm not sure if that's up to the local station or if it's a UPN network repeat.

Or are you just listing new shows being repeated/repurposed?

Thanks,
Mike

I researched this issue. The encore of Enterprise you mention is unique to your area (local station idea), and it is not nationally supported. The WB Sunday encore is nationally supported (advertising sold as a package by the network).

If there are any broadcast network show encores that causes it to have more than one time slot per 7 or 14 day period on the same or different networks, I will consider it for my definition. I don't consider encore of cable programming important because every original cable series I know of has a few encores per week anyway unlike most broadcast programming.

Rasheed

Posted by: rasheed

quote:
Originally posted by grecorj
There was talk at one point of Fastlane being repurposed on TNT I believe. Not confirmed.

Do you have a web link from a news site for this? I'd like to add it for consideration if there was indeed some sort of discussion with Fox and TNT together.

I have mostly confirmed the agreement between Firefly and Sci-Fi, but it isn't clear yet when or if Sci-Fi will actually do the shared-window due to the problems the show has experienced with the pilot and such.

Rasheed

Posted by: grecorj

Saw it in this Mediaweek.com article.

quote:
Originally posted by rasheed

Do you have a web link from a news site for this? I'd like to add it for consideration if there was indeed some sort of discussion with Fox and TNT together.

I have mostly confirmed the agreement between Firefly and Sci-Fi, but it isn't clear yet when or if Sci-Fi will actually do the shared-window due to the problems the show has experienced with the pilot and such.

Rasheed

Posted by: Graymalkin

What does the AR FRO in "AR FRO WL" stand for? WL is obviously wishlist.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

Auto-Record?

Posted by: BlearyEyed

ARFROWL "Auto-Recording First Run Only WishList" took me a while to catch on to it as well.

Posted by: rasheed

quote:
Originally posted by BlearyEyed
ARFROWL "Auto-Recording First Run Only WishList" took me a while to catch on to it as well.

hehehehe :)

I've added the TNT Fastlane possibility.

Rasheed

Posted by: mwhip

I wonder if Push, NV is going to be repurposed!?!

That would help me out. But I don't know if it would fit on their ABC family routine.

Posted by: BlearyEyed

Just a little update to this thread. Seems like after rumors on Fastlane going to TNT/TBS it'll be MTV that winds up getting it. (This would be MTV's first foray into repurposing, wouldn't it? At least I couldn't really come up with any. Anyway you can read about it here, which is where I found out.

http://tv.zap2it.com/news/tvnewsdaily.html?28173

After watching the pilot last night I have to say that it makes sense for this show to wind up on MTV.

Posted by: innocentfreak

Thanks Rasheed for the list.

Whether or not it is the same show I can't tell yet, due to no guide data or info on the web site, but American Dreams is showing up under my season pass on VH1 on 12/5 at 8 pm est and 10/6 at 1 am. Can anyone verify whether this is the same show or not?

Posted by: rasheed

quote:
Originally posted by BlearyEyed
Just a little update to this thread. Seems like after rumors on Fastlane going to TNT/TBS it'll be MTV that winds up getting it. (This would be MTV's first foray into repurposing, wouldn't it? At least I couldn't really come up with any. Anyway you can read about it here, which is where I found out.

http://tv.zap2it.com/news/tvnewsdaily.html?28173

After watching the pilot last night I have to say that it makes sense for this show to wind up on MTV.

This is big news. I will update my post on this stuff.

Very surprised that a Viacom property picked up this since it is a WB show on a News Corp. network. Although I agree it is no surprise on the show basis itself considering McG started out directing music videos.

And to answer your question, this isn't MTV's first try at repurposing, it has repurposed ABC's Making the Band show on ocassion.

Rasheed

Posted by: rasheed

quote:
Originally posted by innocentfreak
Thanks Rasheed for the list.

Whether or not it is the same show I can't tell yet, due to no guide data or info on the web site, but American Dreams is showing up under my season pass on VH1 on 12/5 at 8 pm est and 10/6 at 1 am. Can anyone verify whether this is the same show or not?

More big news.

This is a Dick Clark show with performances from American Bandstand and guest stars from today's Top 40s groups too.

Keep bringing on that repurposing.

Added to the thread as a confirmation because TMS is using the same series code as the NBC show (no coincidence).

Rasheed

Posted by: rasheed

quote:
Originally posted by mwhip
I wonder if Push, NV is going to be repurposed!?!

That would help me out. But I don't know if it would fit on their ABC family routine.

They are working on it.

http://www.tvinsite.com/broadcastin...ay=breakingNews

Rasheed

Posted by: rasheed

Another article on repurposing.

ABC is not doing ABC Family sharing on its new shows based on what is showing in the upcoming guide. I've removed it from my list.

http://www.tvinsite.com/broadcastin...date=09/30/2002

Rasheed

Posted by: rbird

quote:
Originally posted by rasheed
Another article on repurposing.

ABC is not doing ABC Family sharing on its new shows based on what is showing in the upcoming guide. I've removed it from my list.

http://www.tvinsite.com/broadcastin...date=09/30/2002

Rasheed

Did I misunderstand your comment? The linked article specifically mentions three new ABC series on ABCFAM. I've been watching "8 Simple Rules..." and "Life With Bonnie" on that channel (LWB is NOT mentioned in the article).

Bob

Posted by: Maui

quote:
Originally posted by rbird
Did I misunderstand your comment? The linked article specifically mentions three new ABC series on ABCFAM. I've been watching "8 Simple Rules..." and "Life With Bonnie" on that channel (LWB is NOT mentioned in the article).

Bob

I am wondering this too.

I caught 8 Simple Rules, Life with Bonnie and That was Then last saturday on ABC family. I was disapointed to see they all did not appear on this weeks schedule. Though when I checked shcedule for ABC Family this saturday I show a BB playoff game on at 6:30 local time followed by Whose Line at 9:30.

So I was hoping it was just a temporary layoff because of the playoffs.

Posted by: rasheed

quote:
Originally posted by rbird
Did I misunderstand your comment?

I am actually contradicting the article at this time because as you guys can see, there are no upcoming episodes in the guide data on ABC Family. Just because the new shows aired one time on ABC Family does not mean that it is safe to consider watching the show on ABC Family instead of ABC.

I hope this is just a baseball playoff issue (which is quite possible), but I have removed it from my repurposing list because I wouldn't want any TiVo users to depend on ABC Family to air these new shows.

Hope that makes some sense.

Rasheed

Posted by: grecorj

It does sound like a baseball issue. I bet in a few weeks you'll start seeing those same ABC shows being repurposed on ABC Family again....whether they will be airing the same episode as earlier in the week remains to be seen. IMO, unless it is showing the same episode on ABC and then ABCF, you can't count on it as a viable ARWL alternative ala Sopranos.

quote:
Originally posted by rasheed
I hope this is just a baseball playoff issue (which is quite possible), but I have removed it from my repurposing list because I wouldn't want any TiVo users to depend on ABC Family to air these new shows.

Hope that makes some sense.

Rasheed

Posted by: grecorj

Here's another recent article on repurposing and why the sat/cable cos hate it (apparently).

Note: The link is to the Y! News version of a story that appeared in the WSJ today.

Posted by: rbird

The ABC shows I watched were NOT repurposed on week 1. Instead, they doubled up on episodes during week 2. I imagine they would do the same sort of thing after baseball is over, to get "caught up".

Bob

Posted by: rasheed

I removed American Dream from the list -- VH1 doesn't appear to be listing it anymore (it was on their own website and TMS data, but no longer).

My theory on shared-windowing is except for deals made via the production company (Vivendi Universal/USA Films/USA Network), shared-window only happens when the show has *low* ratings on the primary broadcast network. Otherwise, the networks don't consider it beneficial.

This probably explains why American Dreams didn't make it to VH1, it has very strong ratings on NBC, but it doesn't explain why Alias, Firefly, or Push NV are not yet in shared-window.

I've now added hyperlinks to both the broadcast channel and cable channel minisites for each shared show to my post.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...7127#post707127

Rasheed

Posted by: grecorj

American Dreams will be "repurposed" at 7PM preceding the new episodes at 8PM on Sundays on NBC. See here.

Posted by: rasheed

quote:
Originally posted by grecorj
American Dreams will be "repurposed" at 7PM preceding the new episodes at 8PM on Sundays on NBC. See here.

Updated. As we get into the first repeats on the broadcast networks, it looks like the amount of repurposed shows, while at a record high, are still much lower than anticipated.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...7127#post707127

Rasheed

Posted by: tmcmullin

You missed "Monk" which is on USA and then repurposed on ABC. Of course, the season finale is this Friday, so it doesn't much matter.

A cool article on the industry's repurposing:
http://www.slweekly.com/editorial/2..._2002-08-22.cfm

Posted by: grecorj

Not really; Monk is on USA, not a broadcast network (which is what Rasheed's list is). There are other cable shows being repurposed -- Dinner for Five on Bravo comes to mind, Inside the Actor's Studio on A&E (?) -- so perhaps we need a separate list for those.

Good article, thanks for posting.

quote:
Originally posted by tmcmullin
You missed "Monk" which is on USA and then repurposed on ABC. Of course, the season finale is this Friday, so it doesn't much matter.[/url]

Posted by: rasheed

The Monk re-run on ABC was interesting from a point of view of what is happening in the television business, but not really helpful because I believe USA (like any cable network with its original shows) still runs each episode a few times for encores which is not true in the broadcast world. Therefore a FRO SP could still pick up an encore on the same channel.

This was my main objective:

quote:
Originally posted by rasheed
If there are any broadcast network show encores that causes it to have more than one time slot per 7 or 14 day period on the same or different networks, I will consider it for my definition. I don't consider encore of cable programming important because every original cable series I know of has a few encores per week anyway unlike most broadcast programming.

Rasheed

Posted by: grecorj

Here's an update on the ABC Family repurposing of "Life With Bonnie" and "Less than Perfect".

Further, according to Variety, "8 Simple Rules" will not be repurposed on ABC Family.

Posted by: rbird

Grr...that's the only one I absolutely can't see on Tuesday due to conflicts. :(

Bob

Posted by: rasheed

quote:
Originally posted by grecorj
Here's an update on the ABC Family repurposing of "Life With Bonnie" and "Less than Perfect".

Further, according to Variety, "8 Simple Rules" will not be repurposed on ABC Family.

Added to the list:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...7127#post707127

Rasheed

Posted by: tmcmullin

I don't understand how re-purposing is any different if the original airing was on a free broadcast network, a basic cable or a premium cable channel. Isn't the point that an original program is getting a 2nd wind on a different channel, crossing that bridge between free and pay?

Posted by: grecorj

Well, basic cable or premium cable shows hardly ever show up on a "free" broadcast network such as the "Monk" USA >> ABC example. And premium cable shows such as "The Sopranos" on HBO aren't repurposed on another network and are re-aired on their parent network multiple times during the week.

While I pointed out that some basic cable shows, such as "Dinner for Five" on IFC, are getting repurposed on another basic cable network, they don't really serve the purpose of Rasheed's list. Which is to allow TiVo users some freedom in designing ARWLs to avoid SP conflicts.

quote:
Originally posted by tmcmullin
I don't understand how re-purposing is any different if the original airing was on a free broadcast network, a basic cable or a premium cable channel. Isn't the point that an original program is getting a 2nd wind on a different channel, crossing that bridge between free and pay?

Posted by: mattack

I actually _hope_ NBC buying Bravo means NBC repurposes their primetime shows on Bravo. I think NBC denied they'd be doing this in the press release about the purchase. (Bravo actually shares the channel with CSPAN-II here, so I guess it would have to be late night reruns.)

With a single tuner, and being less enthused about using videotape (esp half-dead VCRs that are becoming more unreliable), being able to catch reruns of shows throughout the week is very convenient.

Heck, I've said it many times before on rec.arts.tv and the Tivo newsgroup -- I'd pay for a premium channel that "just" reran the primetime lineups for the next 24 hours. I know local affiliates would never go for it, but it'd be a good idea. (An even higher priced version that reran the shows without commercials would be do-able too.)

Posted by: Mike20878

I noticed WB is calling their Sunday reairings, "Easy View." :)