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The Official Push, Nevada Thread (Spoilers!)
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Posted by: grecorj

Well someone had to start one, right? :D

So here it is, the Official Push, Nevada (with spoilers!) thread!

The Premise
It is a game within a show. An interactive mystery. An IRS agent is sent to creepy Push, Nevada, to locate some money stolen from a casino. Each week there will be a clue or clues as to where the money is hidden -- be the first to figure it out and win a $1,000,000!

SP Alert!
News from Zap2it.com: the first episode, being shown in a special time slot at 9PM on Tuesday, Sept 17, will be replayed at 8PM on Thurs, Sept 19, right before a new episode in its regular time slot at 9PM.

The replay of the first episode will include an introduction of the rules of the game by Ben Affleck and Sean Bailey (producers). The rules will also be posted on the show's website next week.

Good luck, all!

Posted by: jerobi

Oh great. What braintrust decided to toss a MustWatchAllEpisodes show into a Thursday night time slot?

Best of luck to this show...it'll get diehards hoping for cash and very little else. No one is going to check it out after the first few weeks, figuring they missed too many clues.

Sigh...I hate scheduling decisions. NBC moved Scrubs to Thursday too...now what am I going to do?

Posted by: grecorj

It's called "counter programming" -- you put on something completely different than your competitors in hopes of "finding an audience".

quote:
Originally posted by jerobi
Oh great. What braintrust decided to toss a MustWatchAllEpisodes show into a Thursday night time slot?

Posted by: fmowry

Hmm. I set up a SP for it not knowing what it was. Doesn't sound interesting to me. Guess I'll kill the SP.

Frank

Posted by: Hoffer

If you had 2 DirecTiVos like me, you'd never miss a show. Nothing like being able to record 4 shows at the same time.

Posted by: jerobi

Oh, I'm aware of counter programming, but why bother to put up one of your must-follow-all-eps shows against the powerful likes of:

Friends/Scrubs
WWE Smackdown
Survivor

It's like a death sentence to go against those 3. You'd think ABC would have learned this by now...

Posted by: grecorj

Well since this show is on at 9PM and not 8PM like these other shows...

It is actually against the Will & Grace/Good Morning Miami block and CSI, which is stiff competition.

quote:
Originally posted by jerobi
Oh, I'm aware of counter programming, but why bother to put up one of your must-follow-all-eps shows against the powerful likes of:

Friends/Scrubs
WWE Smackdown
Survivor

It's like a death sentence to go against those 3. You'd think ABC would have learned this by now...

Posted by: BlearyEyed

From the little I’ve seen I’m looking forward to this show and with multiple TiVo’s should be able to catch it. Although I worry this whole game portion of the show could ruin something that otherwise might be entirely watchable.

But are we really sure we want to consider it counter-programming to put Push, Nevada (a show about a rarely talked about section of law enforcement trying to solve crimes in Push, Nevada) against CSI (a show about a previously rarely talked about section of law enforcement trying to solve crimes in Las Vegas, Nevada)? :)

I’m certainly not alleging that these are shows that are truly that similar, but there used to be a time when counter-programming meant a little more than just inserting a different kind of crime drama

Posted by: laria

quote:
Originally posted by grecorj
Well since this show is on at 9PM and not 8PM like these other shows...

It is actually against the Will & Grace/Good Morning Miami block and CSI, which is stiff competition.

Oh blah, I thought CSI was on at 10pm. Grrr, must reshuffle season passes now, as I had Survivor, Push Nevada, and CSI all on the same Tivo.

Posted by: grecorj

The reality or "game show" portion of the show is what makes it counter programming. That and the fact that Push is more of a Twins Peak type show and CSI is a straight police procedural ala Law & Order.

Push is going to appeal to the same set that watched "The Mole" and draw in those who liked "Twin Peaks".

My pick for surprise hit of the season.

quote:
Originally posted by BlearyEyed
From the little I’ve seen I’m looking forward to this show and with multiple TiVo’s should be able to catch it. Although I worry this whole game portion of the show could ruin something that otherwise might be entirely watchable.

But are we really sure we want to consider it counter-programming to put Push, Nevada (a show about a rarely talked about section of law enforcement trying to solve crimes in Push, Nevada) against CSI (a show about a previously rarely talked about section of law enforcement trying to solve crimes in Las Vegas, Nevada)? :)

I’m certainly not alleging that these are shows that are truly that similar, but there used to be a time when counter-programming meant a little more than just inserting a different kind of crime drama

Posted by: RexTrout

When the NY Times reviewed all of the new series this season, it actually highlighted Push, Nevada as one of the better shows, despite the gimmicky contest. Kind of compared it to Twin Peaks. Unfortunately, as this group has noted it's in a very tough time slot, so it'll be tough for it to make it.

My SP is standing by waiting for tomorrow.

Posted by: vertigo235

I kinda wanted to, but I wont be watching this one due to teh scheduling problems.

Posted by: DrStrange

quote:
Originally posted by b11051973
If you had 2 DirecTiVos like me, you'd never miss a show. Nothing like being able to record 4 shows at the same time.

I dunno. Being able to record 11 things at the same time is very similar, only more so. :D

Posted by: mwhip

At lunch today saw two guys (20's) on the road with cardboard signs that read "Push, NV or bust".

What is the link?

Posted by: vman

quote:
Originally posted by mwhip
At lunch today saw two guys (20's) on the road with cardboard signs that read "Push, NV or bust".

What is the link?

ABC has hired some guerilla marketing firm to promote this show. Among the stunts they are pulling (such as what you saw), they apparently had the "Push, NV" high school marching band on the Good Morning America show for winning a state championship (or something like that), without anyone at ABC News realizing that there is no Push NV and it was a stunt. ABC news executives were not happy.

Posted by: rasheed

Do expect this show to be attacked heavily by Internet sites that scrutinize the clues. The last major one that I believe was done like this was the A.I. marketing (no big prize though except a party and preview tickets for some). I have no idea how an individual person could possibly win the Push, NV contest. If A.I. is a valid example, the producers made the marketing game extra hard (practically impossible for individuals) because the original clues/puzzles were solved very easily.

There are already multiple fictional websites for this show (I won't link to them right now...).

Here are some sites of the Internet clue analyzing sites:

http://www.collectivedetective.org/
http://www.pushdiner.com/

Rasheed

Posted by: mostman

Yeah - even more whack is how real they are trying to make it. Try calling ANY of the few numbers you notice in the first episode - I did. You get real answering machines / voice mail boxes etc. Odd

Or how about this: http://www.pushtimes.com (pulled from the first episode) - click around. Very odd.

-Mike

Posted by: WinBear

Clue #1 - There was a none-too-subtle URL in the opening credits for www.dmvf.com which states The Amount is $1,045,000.

Posted by: cheerdude

Mike...

Were you able to get into the Casino Owner's mailbox? I tried entering in the password that I saw, but it wouldn't let me in.

Edit - Never mind - I found a number in which the password worked. Not sure if we want to make this thread a Weekly Clue thread or not.

Posted by: mostman

quote:
Originally posted by cheerdude
Mike...

Were you able to get into the Casino Owner's mailbox? I tried entering in the password that I saw, but it wouldn't let me in.

No - I couldn't get in - I tried the passwd as well. I also tried 1045 and a couple numbers I noticed in the first casino scene. They did it right too - when I entered the wrong code it hung up on me. This stops people from doing a scan. I wonder what's in that thing. ...going off to try some more numbers...

btw - bear - I got 1045 on my own by pausing the frame on the sheet and doing the math - the first column was off by that amount. Gotta love TiVo.

-Mike

Posted by: cheerdude

When the IRS agent leaving his room for the first time, notice that the room number has changed to $ 1,045 . BTW, the original room # ? 10624A .... The population on the City Limits sign of Push? 10,623 (New resident?) <g>

Check out www.enochonline.com for another phone # to try... found this site from www.pushdiner.com (one of the sites listed above).

Posted by: spartanstew

quote:
Originally posted by cheerdude
Not sure if we want to make this thread a Weekly Clue thread or not.

Yes, we do.

Stew

Posted by: buffan

If anybody didn't get the amount, they REALLY weren't paying attention. They gave the answer 3 times, and it's on dmvf.com?? I'm sure the clues will get harder. By the end, I felt pretty stupid for having paused Tivo, gone to get my calculator and done the math myself! Know what I mean, Mike??

They probably didn't want to scare off people on episode 1.

Posted by: justapixel

Anybody ever play the online game, Majestic? (EA arts) This is very similar in feel. That game was a blast. Unfortunately, 9/11 killed it, but it'll be fun to see how it does in the television medium.

Fun show anyway - so far my pick of the season. :)

Posted by: cwoody222

As a HUGE Twin Peaks fan I was quite let down by this show. I realize this thread is mostly for clues and stuff but man, the show itself I thought was awful. Maybe it was because I was tired and went to bed before finishing it but I thought it was a complete Twin Peaks rip off.

The unusual, nerdy government agent...the dumb blond assistant (who might have a thing for the agent making her a combo of Lucy and Cooper's recoder-girl Diane)...the shady bar/danceclub...the "Don't I resemble Sherilyn Fenn?" girl who comes up to Agent to spout mysterious clues. The banter during that scene was such a rip off of Twin Peaks. The lead actor is trying to copy Kyle Mcglachin (sp?) character so much it's sad. And he's doing a bad job. Plus he looks like a young version of Chris Isaak (from the Twin Peaks movie). Least they didn't call the casino "One Eye Jacks".

I don't know, seemed pretty lame to me. Worst yet was the "Look, we're alternative!" slanted camera shots they used in almost every scene. OK, I get it.

But, I'll be given the whole episode a shot and I'll probably watch the next ep. I did like the EA game Majestic and the AI marketing campaign so I guess this is worth a shot... But I just hope it gets better.

Posted by: kimsan

quote:
Originally posted by cwoody222
I don't know, seemed pretty lame to me. Worst yet was the "Look, we're alternative!" slanted camera shots they used in almost every scene. OK, I get it.

Let's not forget the odd color tones ala "Traffic" or the Guy Ritchie-esque quick camera zooms accompanied by a whooshing noise.

Eye candy with stiff dialogue. I may leave/adjust the SP for a while, but I don't know if I'll bother watching. Then again, it may actually be the best of the new season.

cheers,

kim

Posted by: daperlman

I really enjoyed the 1st episode of Push, Nevada. It had good character development and compelling suspense.

Posted by: mwhip

quote:
Originally posted by cwoody222

The unusual, nerdy government agent...the dumb blond assistant (who might have a thing for the agent making her a combo of Lucy and Cooper's recoder-girl Diane)...

OK, who is she? IMDB is not up to date. And they are my source when you can not figure out where you have seen an actor before. And the ABC site only gives the two leads. I need a name, it's driving me nuts.

Posted by: DrStrange

According to this page it's Melora Walters.

Posted by: grecorj

Note: they're replaying this premiere episode on Thursday at 8PM with a new episode at 9PM. The 8PM show will include an introduction by Ben Affleck and Sean Bailey about how the game will be played.

Posted by: Graymalkin

I'll just watch this show for the entertainment value. There will be 100,000 treasurer hunters WAY smarter than me, so I'll just ignore the clues (and see what comments you folks post). :)

Posted by: skearney00

cwoody222... I couldn't agree more about your Twin Peaks comments. Even the music was a little too Angelo Badalementi. To boot, I thought the acting was pretty bad. Except for the contest, there isn't really anything original about this show.

With that said, I still love a good mystery and will keep watching and praying that it gets better.

Posted by: martinp13

I didn't see any phone numbers besides Silas'.... got into his voice mail no probs. Where were any other phone numbers?

EDIT: I found the Chamber of Commerce number on pushtimes site. Nothing special, but gives www.visitpush.com

Posted by: Mabes

Yes, the show is derivative of Lynch and others. At least it's not derivative of "Murder, She Wrote." And I liked the characters so far, and it seems like it will be an interesting mystery. And while I'm not going to try and win the million dollars, just noticing little clues like the room number or the population sign changing should be fun. The show is not going to break any new cinematic ground, but anything a little different is welcome. I think it has a chance to be an interesting show.

Posted by: pmyers

I can't believe nobody mentioned all the different "plugs" in the movie....Motorola V60 cell phones...Alias on the TV...etc etc

Posted by: martinp13

Sprint & Toyota have "local" Push sites, via The Push Times. Cute, with disclaimers. :)

Posted by: mostman

quote:
Originally posted by buffan
By the end, I felt pretty stupid for having paused Tivo, gone to get my calculator and done the math myself! Know what I mean, Mike??

I hear ya - I felt the same way. When I did it I said to myself - aha! look at me! - I am slick! Then they went and GAVE it away - no fun.

btw - pixel - I know someone who worked on the development of Majestic. Ground breaking concept - it really is too bad that it was launched at the wrong time.

-Mike

Posted by: DLiquid

I thought it was pretty cool. Total Lynch ripoff, but not anywhere near as dark as Lynch gets. I'm a big fan of most of David Lynch's work, so I'll take some pseudo-Lynch over a lot of the other recycled trash on TV.

Posted by: Dignan

Very Lynchian. Don't forget the cold, shivering man, and the Fire scene. It actually reminded me more of Oliver Stone doing Lynch in U-Turn. I wonder what Lynch thinks of this series, considering ABC originally canceled Twin Peaks and passed on Mulholland Drive. For me the Ben Affleck/Matt Damon stamp is more a liability than an asset.

I found myself going back and forth, this is cool, this is just okay. I'll keep watching though, I'm fan of "different", even if it is derivative.

Posted by: martinp13

But Lynch wouldn't have given us the robbery footage at the beginning, so we wouldn't have any idea why the man was shivering in the first place! :)

Posted by: DanT

I wasn't impressed. I'll probably leave the SP for now, but it's gonna have to suck me in in the next episode or two if they want me to keep watching.

I've never seen Twin Peaks (although I saw the movie, which was worthless if you hadn't seen the TV series) but I also thought it was probably like Twin Peaks, just based on what I'd heard about TP.

Posted by: Zen

I was a big fan and beta tester for Majestic, and was real dissapointed when it was shut down. All the extra work put into it to make it more immersive was incredible. This show has prosmise to do te same sort of thing (and with things like this and the Alias video game, ABC seems to be going for a "more than a show" aspect which i think is good.) I enjoyed the first episode, although the writing was a little flakey at times. I'm looking forward to where they go with this. Hopefully it'l be even a third as much fun as Majestic was.

Posted by: dthmj

I just found out I can't win the game... Sprint PCS is "sponsoring" the show, and employees and their families are not eligible. :(

Posted by: innocentfreak

So how was the second episode? My Tivo dropped the last number, so it recorded the lovely guide instead of Push, which is even more frustrating since it didn;t need a channel change.

Posted by: shaunrose

I don't understand how this game works. I see that you are supposed to find clues each week, but how do you actually win? Maybe if I'm not smart enough to understand the game, I shouldn't try to play.

Posted by: cheerdude

Shaunrose...

Check the rules. Each episode has hints that lead to a weekly clue (except for the Final Episode which has two clues). These clues will lead into how to win...

Posted by: JohnJr

1045 was posted as one of the numbers. But shouldn't it be 1044 if you include week two?

-John

Posted by: jchan

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
I can't believe nobody mentioned all the different "plugs" in the movie....Motorola V60 cell phones...Alias on the TV...etc etc

Yep, in the first episode they were done VERY poorly. Not subtle at all and very distracting. The second ep was much better about it.

Overall, I like it. I've never seen Twin Peaks, but I like the style, characters, etc. in this. I REALLY like the fact that "no one is innocent". Everyone has some bad in this show.

Excellent.

Posted by: martinp13

JohnJr: the 1045 was a reference to the prize amount: $1,045,000. They really beat you over the head with it in Ep1. I'm still not sure what the clue for week 2 is, other than "television". I didn't see more than 2-3 references to any particular topic or item, except the incredible pile of religious references.

And we know Shadrach is dead in Ep3. Any minor character who knows where the money is might as well be wearing a red shirt. :) We also saw Jim looking into a "fiery furnace" in the Ep3 previews, so that fits together nicely. :D

Posted by: daperlman

I am left with so many ?'s. Why kill the guy who stole the money w/out finding out exaclty where it is in the flats? Why is the girl not forced to show them where the money is (this seems obvious... like she is in on it)? And for what reason are they leaving Proofrock alive (what do they want him to find)?

Posted by: WinBear

Obviously, someone on the inside wants Prufrock to go after these guys. Who else could have sent the fax to him in the first place?

Posted by: daperlman

quote:
Originally posted by WinBear
Obviously, someone on the inside wants Prufrock to go after these guys. Who else could have sent the fax to him in the first place?

Or they wanted a reason to kill Bodner

Posted by: Mabes

I was really disapointed with the second episode. The tattoo guy just seemed to be weirdness for the sake of weirdness but more importantly, the freezing man hid the money. Why wouldn't they torture him to find out the exact location? And the way they killed him, while interesting to watch I guess, really seemed a little silly. Why not just dump a couple of huge ice blocks on him. I mean really, backing a truck up and ramming a pipe through the wall? Again, weirdness for the sake of weirdness.

Other problems I had: Why was the freezing man left alive after the robbery? And these guys seem to have cameras on everyone, would they not have seen him take the money from the safe, or did they forget to put a camera in Bodnick's house?

I'm going to keep watching, though. It's certainly different than anything else on, it is shot very well, and the mystery is still intriguing. Still has potential. And I told myself I wasn't going to pick apart all the little details, that I was just going to go along for the ride. Hard to do though, especially in a mystery.

Posted by: martinp13

We still don't know who "they" are yet.

dmvf.com now includes a reference to "2: Television". I'm gonna be very disappointed if they're gonna give away the clue the day after the episode. There were very few people on the Yahoo group who thought it was "television".... most thought it was "mug" or "13" or something even more obscure. :(

Let me go on record now with my guess to how this ends up. :) On a given night (a future clue) after the last episode, they will broadcast a phone number (or a clue to the phone number) at 9:15pm. The first caller wins.

Posted by: jchan

Anybody realize that the missing money isn't important...it's the bible they are searching for.

Posted by: martinp13

Not sure how you can know that. I agree that you might be right, but we haven't seen enough to know that for sure. Granted we've been bombarded with religious references. :)

Posted by: philw1776

Very dissapointed.
Watched the 1st 2 episodes of this "Twin Peaks" wannabe. I loved TP but this show is a lame unoriginal ripoff. Poor lead character. And the quirky death by ice cubes was just stupid.
Yeah, it's the bible that's important.
I deleted it from my season pass.

-philw

Posted by: Volk

ahh, i missed the first 2 episodes. anyway i can see them again?

Posted by: rasheed

The second episode repeats next week. The first episode is history (already shown twice).

Rasheed

Posted by: JohnJr

quote:
Originally posted by martinp13
JohnJr: the 1045 was a reference to the prize amount: $1,045,000. They really beat you over the head with it in Ep1. I'm still not sure what the clue for week 2 is, other than "television". I didn't see more than 2-3 references to any particular topic or item, except the incredible pile of religious references.

And we know Shadrach is dead in Ep3. Any minor character who knows where the money is might as well be wearing a red shirt. :) We also saw Jim looking into a "fiery furnace" in the Ep3 previews, so that fits together nicely. :D

Martin,

Re: the 1045 thing... $1,045,000. Am I the only one that did the math on the second column of numbers on the fax? If you do it, it comes up at -$1,000. Therefore the difference is $1,044,000. Not 1045. Am I missing something?

-John

Posted by: innocentfreak

quote:
Originally posted by rasheed
The second episode repeats next week. The first episode is history (already shown twice).

Rasheed

Any idea when or what channel? I am only showing one episode next week titled "The Color of"

Posted by: rasheed

quote:
Originally posted by innocentfreak
Any idea when or what channel? I am only showing one episode next week titled "The Color of"

Well, I guess you are now out of luck. It was scheduled for 8pm (encore of second episode), but now Monk is scheduled. Sorry.

Rasheed

Posted by: innocentfreak

Yeah I looked it up after posting this, Abc still lists it on their site as running next week at 8:00 so I guess we will wait and see.

Posted by: mostman

quote:
Originally posted by JohnJr

Martin,

Re: the 1045 thing... $1,045,000. Am I the only one that did the math on the second column of numbers on the fax? If you do it, it comes up at -$1,000. Therefore the difference is $1,044,000. Not 1045. Am I missing something?

-John

Check your math - if I recall its the first column that is off and it is off by 1045. I did the math 2 or 3 times and got the same answer every time - 1045.

-Mike

Posted by: JohnJr

Mike, you did the second column too?

1045 is what I got on first column, twice. But I got -1,000 on second column twice too.

-John

Posted by: skearney00

quote:
Originally posted by JohnJr
Mike, you did the second column too?

1045 is what I got on first column, twice. But I got -1,000 on second column twice too.

-John

2nd column comes out right for me....

Posted by: grins

quote:
Originally posted by martinp13
And we know Shadrach is dead in Ep3. Any minor character who knows where the money is might as well be wearing a red shirt. :) We also saw Jim looking into a "fiery furnace" in the Ep3 previews, so that fits together nicely. :D

LOL on the redshirt, martin. and I can't believe I missed the Shadrach in the oven joke!

It was probably 'cause the voice over when they showed (prufrock?) looking into the furnace said 'They're having trouble getting bodner to burn' so I was thinking it was the freezing man in the furnace.

t

Posted by: DLiquid

Just watched week three. I guess I'm dense, what was the clue? The only thing I noticed was the APM hankerchief.

I missed week two. I was bummed because I thought they were replaying week two's episode tonight at 8, but they showed Monk instead. If I would have known that last week, I would have recorded last week's episode on my VCR (TiVo was busy). Oh well.

I agree this show is a blatant Twin Peaks wanna be.

Posted by: Faust67

quote:
Originally posted by DLiquid
Just watched week three. I guess I'm dense, what was the clue? The only thing I noticed was the APM hankerchief.

I missed week two. I was bummed because I thought they were replaying week two's episode tonight at 8, but they showed Monk instead. If I would have known that last week, I would have recorded last week's episode on my VCR (TiVo was busy). Oh well.

I agree this show is a blatant Twin Peaks wanna be.

The only things that seemed to be hints to me implied the color orange.
The car cigarette lighter, the suits drinking orange drink, orange colored TV at police station, newspaper article "Oranges Everywhere". And the kicker, near the end when Prufrock is talking to the guy at the crematorium, as the guy is speaking spanish there is one thing at the end he says that isn't translated on screen: "la respuesta es naranja" or "The answer is orange"

Could be wrong of course...

Posted by: KRS

After seeing the first half of episode one, I thought this show might be worth watching. I figured, if you are going to rip off another show, it may as well be a good one. The second half of the episode went downhill a bit, but I was still curious. Then, like so many others, I missed episode 2. What were they thinking with that scheduling decision. I mean, jeeez - even with 2 tuners, I can't catch the show.

Still, I started watching the third episode, and it was just way too silly. As others have said, just a lot of weirdness for the sake of being weird. Whatever - after 20 minutes I deleted it and my season pass.

Posted by: Turtleboy

Enjoy it while it lasts:

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/30/b...edia/30ABC.html

ABC's Early Hopes Don't Last a Week
By BILL CARTER

he ratings for television's premiere week provoked grins and worry lines in about equal numbers for network programmers. But the number of facial contortions were greatest at ABC, where early promise ran headlong into late-week disaster.

Two comedies — "8 Simple Rules for Dating My Teenage Daughter" on Tuesday and "My Wife and Kids" on Wednesday — gave strong initial indications that ABC might be reversing its bad ratings karma. Yet on Thursday night the network's most talked-about new drama, "Push, Nevada," came as close as a network show can come to ratings invisibility.

"Push" was seen by just 4.4 million people, and it scored a minuscule 1.3 rating in the 18-to-49-year-old audience ABC most desires.

Already ABC executives are talking about pulling the show. "We're taking a hard look at it," said Lloyd Braun, the chairman of ABC Entertainment. "We were ready to live with a small but growing audience. But one thing we can't have is one night pulling down our whole week."

In most circumstances, cancellation would be all but automatic for a show with the numbers "Push" drew. But "Push" incorporates an audience game promising to give away more than $1 million. The show's producers said last summer that even if it were canceled they would still give away the money.

Thursday had some remarkable results in the other direction, led by NBC's "Friends" which reached 34 million people, its third-best showing ever.

Though NBC had its usual potent Thursday over all, the network did not dominate. From 8:30 to 10 p.m., CBS now owns Thursday, beating NBC thanks to the second half of "Survivor" and the mighty drama, "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation."

NBC has some cause for worry at 8:30. "Scrubs" had fewer viewers than "Survivor" despite the "Friends" lead-in. It even fell short of the premiere of last-year's ill-fated entrant in that time period, "Inside Schwartz."

And while "Will & Grace" was competitive with "CSI" at 9, NBC's new comedy, "Good Morning, Miami" slid to a distant second at 9:30.

NBC bounced back as always with "ER" at 10, though its margin over CBS's new drama "Without a Trace" was the smallest it has had over a competitor in eight years.

The good news for Fox was a new drama, "John Doe," on Friday and a reasonably steadfast Wednesday night with "Cedric the Entertainer Presents" and "Fastlane."

But Fox now faces a monthlong interruption for baseball's post-season, and the network will need to reintroduce audiences to its new shows in November.

Posted by: martinp13

Well, that sux. I enjoy watching it, and enjoy figuring out the clue each week (tho it's been pitifully easy so far). Week 3 HAS to be "orange"... just too many things pointing to it (also the big baddie peeling an orange while talking to his henchmen). So we have "$1,045,000", "television", and "orange". Not much to go on yet, eh? :)

I can believe it's so bad in the ratings... not one of my friends is watching it. :(

Posted by: martinp13

Last night's show (Ep 4, Storybook Hero) would have been perfect if they hadn't put "Tixiv Ter" in the opening credits. I watched the whole episode and didn't really know what the clue was at all. I went back, solved that puzzle in the credits in about 2 minutes, and knew for sure what the clue was. I think it would be better if you weren't positive what the clue was. The hints to the clue were very well done... better than the previous ones.

Posted by: grecorj

Marc Bermann suggested in his "Programming Insider" column over on mediaweek.com that the clock was ticking for "Push".

Posted by: martinp13

Well, shows that require you to pay close attention (and don't offer much else) tend to get canned. Police Squad was great, but you really had to pay attention to the background, the other sounds, etc, or you didn't get the full effect of the comedy.

If you "enjoy a good mystery" as Affleck offers in the opener, you aren't gonna spend 12 weeks watching it unless it's REALLY GOOD. CSI is over and done in an hour.

Posted by: TivoFan

I had high hopes for this show, but am very disappointed now. I'd be surprised if this show doesn't get cancelled.

Posted by: mostman

quote:
Originally posted by martinp13
Last night's show (Ep 4, Storybook Hero) would have been perfect if they hadn't put "Tixiv Ter" in the opening credits. I watched the whole episode and didn't really know what the clue was at all. I went back, solved that puzzle in the credits in about 2 minutes, and knew for sure what the clue was. I think it would be better if you weren't positive what the clue was. The hints to the clue were very well done... better than the previous ones.

Ok - before I go nuts - explain the puzzle to me - I am staring at it - and I see nothing.

-Mike

Posted by: trainman

Here's a hint:

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
F would be J.

Posted by: martinp13

Others hints would be:
1) rewatch the opening credits for a pic that wasn't there before.
2) listen to Shadrach's music box.
3) listen to the ventriloquist's dummy.
4) listen to Deputy Dawn.
5) supposedly there was something related on Sloman's desk, but I didn't see it.